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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 19, 2016 12:44:41 GMT
At the risk of insulting the great traditions of Kerry players/teams "just playing the game/having the better footballers", I was under the impression that all teams use a variety of tactics? Positioning of a player, even the selection of some players is a 'tactic'. What subs, and when.
Whilst the likes of Micko was probably very much a 'facilitator' for great players rather than a lover of 'tactics' to any great degree, he also had the unrivalled advantage of a collection of the greatest players to ever play the game, or near enough. The likes of Heffo was certainly renowned for devising 'ploys', at times. 3rd midfielder, attacking half-backs in waves being the two that he perhaps introduced (though Down followers of a particular vintage may beg to differ...... And it was said around the middle 1950s that the Dublin team (or maybe just Heffo) introduced the very 'untraditional' tactic of roaming.
But what was the essential difference of Kerry between 1975 and 1978, for example? Apart from things like experience, and additional players, I would argue they targeted strengths (tactic) in the opposition more than any other team, became fitter/better conditioned, more powerful to suit playing a more running and interactive game, with more handpassing than previous (more tactics), and then when the option became available deployed a big man (also of great football talent) in around the square and used the long ball alot more (tactic).
Now I know the reference here is to 'tactics' like massed defense, sweepers, interchangeable player positions, 'moves' (God between us and all that's Peil holy!), holding possession etc, and in that case I would say there's an over-emphasis on 'tactics' as an issue. Ergo if both teams turn up in fine form, the only tactics that will really matter are players doing the right things around the field, and coaches making the best decisions off it, basic stuff like not leaving the backs over-exposed, not being too negative, leaving a player on another player when being roasted etc etc.
So to the game. I haven't heard any interesting rumours about players available or not. McCauley hasn't played in four weeks (since the club final). I think we need him against Kerry of all teams. What's Kerry's middle area likely to line up as? Who will be full-back for us? Will it be zonal? Will Cluxton's very shakey form be badly exposed in a major game in the absence of Rory?
Will Kerry play the older lads from the start and aim to finish strongly with younger lads coming in? Donaghy looks fitter than the last year or two. Any sign of T. Walsh being sprung? Has Gooch got 60-70 minutes in him? Do Kerry have any fear of their older lads in the backs being exposed for pace, and if so are changes afoot? Based on the All-I final, they didn't seem exposed at the back anyway.
Bernard Brogan has only shone in cameo pieces so far this spring. He was well held in september. What way will that go on sunday, and will Gavin keep him back? How will Dublin counteract Buckley & Crowley especially marauding from deep? Will Dongahy stay more around the middle or, if Tommy Walsh isn't an option, will he go inside more to test Dublin's vulnerability to long diagonal ball?
Will Dean Rock do any better with pressure kicks? Will Dublin get goal chances this time, and will they be more clinical than the last two years? Is Brian Sheehan in or out and who takes Kerry's long kicks if he's out, Moran?
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Post by Premier on Apr 19, 2016 12:52:48 GMT
At the risk of insulting the great traditions of Kerry players/teams "just playing the game/having the better footballers", I was under the impression that all teams use a variety of tactics? Positioning of a player, even the selection of some players is a 'tactic'. What subs, and when. Whilst the likes of Micko was probably very much a 'facilitator' for great players rather than a lover of 'tactics' to any great degree, he also had the unrivalled advantage of a collection of the greatest players to ever play the game, or near enough. The likes of Heffo was certainly renowned for devising 'ploys', at times. 3rd midfielder, attacking half-backs in waves being the two that he perhaps introduced (though Down followers of a particular vintage may beg to differ...... And it was said around the middle 1950s that the Dublin team (or maybe just Heffo) introduced the very 'untraditional' tactic of roaming. But what was the essential difference of Kerry between 1975 and 1978, for example? Apart from things like experience, and additional players, I would argue they targeted strengths (tactic) in the opposition more than any other team, became fitter/better conditioned, more powerful to suit playing a more running and interactive game, with more handpassing than previous (more tactics), and then when the option became available deployed a big man (also of great football talent) in around the square and used the long ball alot more (tactic). Now I know the reference here is to 'tactics' like massed defense, sweepers, interchangeable player positions, 'moves' (God between us and all that's Peil holy!), holding possession etc, and in that case I would say there's an over-emphasis on 'tactics' as an issue. Ergo if both teams turn up in fine form, the only tactics that will really matter are players doing the right things around the field, and coaches making the best decisions off it, basic stuff like not leaving the backs over-exposed, not being too negative, leaving a player on another player when being roasted etc etc. So to the game. I haven't heard any interesting rumours about players available or not. McCauley hasn't played in four weeks (since the club final). I think we need him against Kerry of all teams. What's Kerry's middle area likely to line up as? Who will be full-back for us? Will it be zonal? Will Cluxton's very shakey form be badly exposed in a major game in the absence of Rory? Will Kerry play the older lads from the start and aim to finish strongly with younger lads coming in? Donaghy looks fitter than the last year or two. Any sign of T. Walsh being sprung? Has Gooch got 60-70 minutes in him? Do Kerry have any fear of their older lads in the backs being exposed for pace, and if so are changes afoot? Based on the All-I final, they didn't seem exposed at the back anyway. Bernard Brogan has only shone in cameo pieces so far this spring. He was well held in september. What way will that go on sunday, and will Gavin keep him back? How will Dublin counteract Buckley & Crowley especially marauding from deep? Will Dongahy stay more around the middle or, if Tommy Walsh isn't an option, will he go inside more to test Dublin's vulnerability to long diagonal ball? Will Dean Rock do any better with pressure kicks? Will Dublin get goal chances this time, and will they be more clinical than the last two years? Is Brian Sheehan in or out and who takes Kerry's long kicks if he's out, Moran? I always hope Sheehan starts somewhere just for frees alone. Never have any confidence in Moran. Don't know where Sheehan is going to fit in immediately though as I don't see either midfielder or Paul Murphy changing position
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Apr 19, 2016 13:28:04 GMT
Wouldn't hold out much hope for Tommy Walsh this year to be honest. I think he will struggle to make the panel of 24 alone. Was very poor at the weekend for the club. I know he had a serious injury etc but, hes been back a while now and things just don't seem to have clicked for him. Not his fault its just the way things go.
With the competition for places around the midfield and full forwards unless he hits a serious vein of form altogether (which at the minute doesn't look likely) i dont see him getting much game time.
In the middle of the field at the minute you have Moran, Donaghy, Sheehan, Maher, Brendan O'Sullivan all probably ahead of him. In the full forward line you have Gooch, Darren, BJK, Alan Fitz, Geaney, and thats before you even throw donaghy and james back into the mix inside there.
Lets say Kerry have a squad of 24, The first 15 and the sub keeper makes it 16. 2 sub midfielder makes it 18. So then you have a split between 3 backs and 3 forwards to make up the panel of 24. Players like paul murphy that can play between the lines might skew this a bit.
But, based on current and recent form could you honestly say Tommy Walsh is one of the top 4 midfielders or top 9 forwards? off the top of my head the following forwards would be ahead of him.
Darran Gooch James Paul Geaney Donaghy O'Brien BJK Donnachadh Walsh Buckley Alan Fitzgerald Paul Murphy
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 19, 2016 14:03:34 GMT
At the risk of insulting the great traditions of Kerry players/teams "just playing the game/having the better footballers", I was under the impression that all teams use a variety of tactics? Positioning of a player, even the selection of some players is a 'tactic'. What subs, and when. Whilst the likes of Micko was probably very much a 'facilitator' for great players rather than a lover of 'tactics' to any great degree, he also had the unrivalled advantage of a collection of the greatest players to ever play the game, or near enough. The likes of Heffo was certainly renowned for devising 'ploys', at times. 3rd midfielder, attacking half-backs in waves being the two that he perhaps introduced (though Down followers of a particular vintage may beg to differ...... And it was said around the middle 1950s that the Dublin team (or maybe just Heffo) introduced the very 'untraditional' tactic of roaming. But what was the essential difference of Kerry between 1975 and 1978, for example? Apart from things like experience, and additional players, I would argue they targeted strengths (tactic) in the opposition more than any other team, became fitter/better conditioned, more powerful to suit playing a more running and interactive game, with more handpassing than previous (more tactics), and then when the option became available deployed a big man (also of great football talent) in around the square and used the long ball alot more (tactic). Now I know the reference here is to 'tactics' like massed defense, sweepers, interchangeable player positions, 'moves' (God between us and all that's Peil holy!), holding possession etc, and in that case I would say there's an over-emphasis on 'tactics' as an issue. Ergo if both teams turn up in fine form, the only tactics that will really matter are players doing the right things around the field, and coaches making the best decisions off it, basic stuff like not leaving the backs over-exposed, not being too negative, leaving a player on another player when being roasted etc etc. So to the game. I haven't heard any interesting rumours about players available or not. McCauley hasn't played in four weeks (since the club final). I think we need him against Kerry of all teams. What's Kerry's middle area likely to line up as? Who will be full-back for us? Will it be zonal? Will Cluxton's very shakey form be badly exposed in a major game in the absence of Rory? Will Kerry play the older lads from the start and aim to finish strongly with younger lads coming in? Donaghy looks fitter than the last year or two. Any sign of T. Walsh being sprung? Has Gooch got 60-70 minutes in him? Do Kerry have any fear of their older lads in the backs being exposed for pace, and if so are changes afoot? Based on the All-I final, they didn't seem exposed at the back anyway. Bernard Brogan has only shone in cameo pieces so far this spring. He was well held in september. What way will that go on sunday, and will Gavin keep him back? How will Dublin counteract Buckley & Crowley especially marauding from deep? Will Dongahy stay more around the middle or, if Tommy Walsh isn't an option, will he go inside more to test Dublin's vulnerability to long diagonal ball? Will Dean Rock do any better with pressure kicks? Will Dublin get goal chances this time, and will they be more clinical than the last two years? Is Brian Sheehan in or out and who takes Kerry's long kicks if he's out, Moran? Hey Rashers, did you ever consider doing a work on the evolution of the game? You appear to have a good foundation already and along with credible objectivity. It would be an intriguing subject, e.g. Our Brendan Lynch alone played in 60, 70 and 80 min All Ireland finals. Things would get interesting as you'd delve into where things are heading; are there any signals from other codes? What about the small ball?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 19, 2016 14:36:24 GMT
By the way, can any of out fluent Gaelgoirs oblige by taking a look at my signature that I have just modified. Ashamedly I checked with Google Translate and in this instance it appears to agree with other resources, but I am still only relearning myself. Thanks in anticipation, Bally.
Comhar trí cairdeas, cabhair i comhaltas, dúchas de dóchas; Cooperation through comraderie, choring in harmony, heritage of hope - An Comhábhar Chiarraí; The Kerry Ingredient - Cuid de cad atá againn, agus gan é tá muid ach cuid den mhéid a bhfuilimid; Part of what we are, and without it we are only part of what we are
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 19, 2016 16:48:48 GMT
At the risk of insulting the great traditions of Kerry players/teams "just playing the game/having the better footballers", I was under the impression that all teams use a variety of tactics? Positioning of a player, even the selection of some players is a 'tactic'. What subs, and when. Whilst the likes of Micko was probably very much a 'facilitator' for great players rather than a lover of 'tactics' to any great degree, he also had the unrivalled advantage of a collection of the greatest players to ever play the game, or near enough. The likes of Heffo was certainly renowned for devising 'ploys', at times. 3rd midfielder, attacking half-backs in waves being the two that he perhaps introduced (though Down followers of a particular vintage may beg to differ...... And it was said around the middle 1950s that the Dublin team (or maybe just Heffo) introduced the very 'untraditional' tactic of roaming. But what was the essential difference of Kerry between 1975 and 1978, for example? Apart from things like experience, and additional players, I would argue they targeted strengths (tactic) in the opposition more than any other team, became fitter/better conditioned, more powerful to suit playing a more running and interactive game, with more handpassing than previous (more tactics), and then when the option became available deployed a big man (also of great football talent) in around the square and used the long ball alot more (tactic). Now I know the reference here is to 'tactics' like massed defense, sweepers, interchangeable player positions, 'moves' (God between us and all that's Peil holy!), holding possession etc, and in that case I would say there's an over-emphasis on 'tactics' as an issue. Ergo if both teams turn up in fine form, the only tactics that will really matter are players doing the right things around the field, and coaches making the best decisions off it, basic stuff like not leaving the backs over-exposed, not being too negative, leaving a player on another player when being roasted etc etc. So to the game. I haven't heard any interesting rumours about players available or not. McCauley hasn't played in four weeks (since the club final). I think we need him against Kerry of all teams. What's Kerry's middle area likely to line up as? Who will be full-back for us? Will it be zonal? Will Cluxton's very shakey form be badly exposed in a major game in the absence of Rory? Will Kerry play the older lads from the start and aim to finish strongly with younger lads coming in? Donaghy looks fitter than the last year or two. Any sign of T. Walsh being sprung? Has Gooch got 60-70 minutes in him? Do Kerry have any fear of their older lads in the backs being exposed for pace, and if so are changes afoot? Based on the All-I final, they didn't seem exposed at the back anyway. Bernard Brogan has only shone in cameo pieces so far this spring. He was well held in september. What way will that go on sunday, and will Gavin keep him back? How will Dublin counteract Buckley & Crowley especially marauding from deep? Will Dongahy stay more around the middle or, if Tommy Walsh isn't an option, will he go inside more to test Dublin's vulnerability to long diagonal ball? Will Dean Rock do any better with pressure kicks? Will Dublin get goal chances this time, and will they be more clinical than the last two years? Is Brian Sheehan in or out and who takes Kerry's long kicks if he's out, Moran? I'd think Micko's game was built on getting great players fitter than the competition and letting them play. Come what may to a greater extent. Summer football on top on the sod. In his sojourn in Leinster, this was matted with extraordinary levels of man management, charisma and aura. These three particular attributes were possibly masked to a certain degree by the greatness of the Kerry players who could perform at a high level all over the field in various positions. Sunday's pending game brings a tinge of excitement to the gut for some reason, who knows, the Jacks might be flushed? Hopefully we get a Hail Mary game where both teams just go at it............................
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 19, 2016 17:42:26 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 19, 2016 19:47:56 GMT
Wouldn't hold out much hope for Tommy Walsh this year to be honest. I think he will struggle to make the panel of 24 alone. Was very poor at the weekend for the club. I know he had a serious injury etc but, hes been back a while now and things just don't seem to have clicked for him. Not his fault its just the way things go. With the competition for places around the midfield and full forwards unless he hits a serious vein of form altogether (which at the minute doesn't look likely) i dont see him getting much game time. In the middle of the field at the minute you have Moran, Donaghy, Sheehan, Maher, Brendan O'Sullivan all probably ahead of him. In the full forward line you have Gooch, Darren, BJK, Alan Fitz, Geaney, and thats before you even throw donaghy and james back into the mix inside there. Lets say Kerry have a squad of 24, The first 15 and the sub keeper makes it 16. 2 sub midfielder makes it 18. So then you have a split between 3 backs and 3 forwards to make up the panel of 24. Players like paul murphy that can play between the lines might skew this a bit. But, based on current and recent form could you honestly say Tommy Walsh is one of the top 4 midfielders or top 9 forwards? off the top of my head the following forwards would be ahead of him. Darran Gooch James Paul Geaney Donaghy O'Brien BJK Donnachadh Walsh Buckley Alan Fitzgerald Paul Murphy Possession is nine tenths of the law in Gaelic football and Tommy Walsh can outfield over his head a few of those "smallish" Dublin backs. Can the same be said for Darren, JOD, SOB, BJK and Paul Murphy. I feel this is Dublins weak spot and it should be exploited. It wasnt in the 2015 final
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Post by A.N. Other on Apr 19, 2016 20:52:18 GMT
Wouldn't hold out much hope for Tommy Walsh this year to be honest. I think he will struggle to make the panel of 24 alone. Was very poor at the weekend for the club. I know he had a serious injury etc but, hes been back a while now and things just don't seem to have clicked for him. Not his fault its just the way things go. With the competition for places around the midfield and full forwards unless he hits a serious vein of form altogether (which at the minute doesn't look likely) i dont see him getting much game time. In the middle of the field at the minute you have Moran, Donaghy, Sheehan, Maher, Brendan O'Sullivan all probably ahead of him. In the full forward line you have Gooch, Darren, BJK, Alan Fitz, Geaney, and thats before you even throw donaghy and james back into the mix inside there. Lets say Kerry have a squad of 24, The first 15 and the sub keeper makes it 16. 2 sub midfielder makes it 18. So then you have a split between 3 backs and 3 forwards to make up the panel of 24. Players like paul murphy that can play between the lines might skew this a bit. But, based on current and recent form could you honestly say Tommy Walsh is one of the top 4 midfielders or top 9 forwards? off the top of my head the following forwards would be ahead of him. Darran Gooch James Paul Geaney Donaghy O'Brien BJK Donnachadh Walsh Buckley Alan Fitzgerald Paul Murphy Possession is nine tenths of the law in Gaelic football and Tommy Walsh can outfield over his head a few of those "smallish" Dublin backs. Can the same be said for Darren, JOD, SOB, BJK and Paul Murphy. I feel this is Dublins weak spot and it should be exploited. It wasnt in the 2015 final Having seen Tommy play a few times this year I would disagree. He seems more suited out the field. Against both the Legion and Glenbeigh Glencar, he was cleaned out by both full backs. When he went to midfield in both games he seemed to go alot better. Now alot can be said of some of the ball going in but he doesnt seem to win any 50/50 balls or even 60/40 balls for that matter. Saying that I wouldnt be surprised if he clicks at some stage, it all seems to be confidence and sharpness he is lacking. He needs one big performance I reckon and he could take off then. It's hard to see it coming soon and I would be very surprised if it was Sunday. After his showing against the Legion, I'd be very surprised if he got much playing time on Sunday.
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Post by fitz on Apr 20, 2016 0:24:48 GMT
At the risk of insulting the great traditions of Kerry players/teams "just playing the game/having the better footballers", I was under the impression that all teams use a variety of tactics? Positioning of a player, even the selection of some players is a 'tactic'. What subs, and when. Whilst the likes of Micko was probably very much a 'facilitator' for great players rather than a lover of 'tactics' to any great degree, he also had the unrivalled advantage of a collection of the greatest players to ever play the game, or near enough. The likes of Heffo was certainly renowned for devising 'ploys', at times. 3rd midfielder, attacking half-backs in waves being the two that he perhaps introduced (though Down followers of a particular vintage may beg to differ...... And it was said around the middle 1950s that the Dublin team (or maybe just Heffo) introduced the very 'untraditional' tactic of roaming. But what was the essential difference of Kerry between 1975 and 1978, for example? Apart from things like experience, and additional players, I would argue they targeted strengths (tactic) in the opposition more than any other team, became fitter/better conditioned, more powerful to suit playing a more running and interactive game, with more handpassing than previous (more tactics), and then when the option became available deployed a big man (also of great football talent) in around the square and used the long ball alot more (tactic). Now I know the reference here is to 'tactics' like massed defense, sweepers, interchangeable player positions, 'moves' (God between us and all that's Peil holy!), holding possession etc, and in that case I would say there's an over-emphasis on 'tactics' as an issue. Ergo if both teams turn up in fine form, the only tactics that will really matter are players doing the right things around the field, and coaches making the best decisions off it, basic stuff like not leaving the backs over-exposed, not being too negative, leaving a player on another player when being roasted etc etc. So to the game. I haven't heard any interesting rumours about players available or not. McCauley hasn't played in four weeks (since the club final). I think we need him against Kerry of all teams. What's Kerry's middle area likely to line up as? Who will be full-back for us? Will it be zonal? Will Cluxton's very shakey form be badly exposed in a major game in the absence of Rory? Will Kerry play the older lads from the start and aim to finish strongly with younger lads coming in? Donaghy looks fitter than the last year or two. Any sign of T. Walsh being sprung? Has Gooch got 60-70 minutes in him? Do Kerry have any fear of their older lads in the backs being exposed for pace, and if so are changes afoot? Based on the All-I final, they didn't seem exposed at the back anyway. Bernard Brogan has only shone in cameo pieces so far this spring. He was well held in september. What way will that go on sunday, and will Gavin keep him back? How will Dublin counteract Buckley & Crowley especially marauding from deep? Will Dongahy stay more around the middle or, if Tommy Walsh isn't an option, will he go inside more to test Dublin's vulnerability to long diagonal ball? Will Dean Rock do any better with pressure kicks? Will Dublin get goal chances this time, and will they be more clinical than the last two years? Is Brian Sheehan in or out and who takes Kerry's long kicks if he's out, Moran? I'd think Micko's game was built on getting great players fitter than the competition and letting them play. Come what may to a greater extent. Summer football on top on the sod. In his sojourn in Leinster, this was matted with extraordinary levels of man management, charisma and aura. These three particular attributes were possibly masked to a certain degree by the greatness of the Kerry players who could perform at a high level all over the field in various positions. Sunday's pending game brings a tinge of excitement to the gut for some reason, who knows, the Jacks might be flushed? Hopefully we get a Hail Mary game where both teams just go at it............................ Key Micko ingredient. After training nosebag Stew Apple Tart and cream No paleolithic canisters won by him.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 20, 2016 1:32:17 GMT
Yerra yez are likes cats on a tin roof, salt of the earths gettin' a biteen nervy methinks!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 20, 2016 9:33:23 GMT
I'd think Micko's game was built on getting great players fitter than the competition and letting them play. Come what may to a greater extent. Summer football on top on the sod. In his sojourn in Leinster, this was matted with extraordinary levels of man management, charisma and aura. These three particular attributes were possibly masked to a certain degree by the greatness of the Kerry players who could perform at a high level all over the field in various positions. Sunday's pending game brings a tinge of excitement to the gut for some reason, who knows, the Jacks might be flushed? Hopefully we get a Hail Mary game where both teams just go at it............................ Key Micko ingredient. After training nosebag Stew Apple Tart and cream No paleolithic canisters won by him. I thought he was mad into d'aul steaks for the lads no? That's what the legend was anyway. The Dubs got tea and biscuits in the shed in Parnell. If they were lucky!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 20, 2016 9:44:19 GMT
Yerra yez are likes cats on a tin roof, salt of the earths gettin' a biteen nervy methinks! Who's the 'salt of the earths' Bally? I'm not nervous about this game, I'm more nervous about the media reaction if we win!! In fact I've not looked forward to a game more in a long time. Unlike major All-I games this one feels like it will be "all about the game on the day", two best teams/squads in very good form, great rivalry, and not the hype or pressure associated with the championship. And the occasion will be unique for a league game. I'm expecting possibly one of the greatest games in history.... In answer to your question above, I'd never have the application or rigorousness required for such an undertaking. My knowledge base and research methods are at best, intuitive............. But I agree, it's a great subject and I'd love to read more about it. My overall impression is that people read too much into tactics and reputations or media-driven stuff about the games. Somebody pointed out there about the scores in the previous Kerry-Dublin league finals, in supposedly the 'golden age' of football. These days most games are producing big scores. Alot of grief fell out from the 2011 Donegal-Dublin semi-final. Well........have a look at this, if you dare! Ok so the first half was ok (bear in mind this is highlights). But the 2nd half, in perfect conditions.....tactics?? Nearly all the scores were from frees in the game.
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Post by ballybunion on Apr 20, 2016 9:44:39 GMT
You are correct Rashers,it was always steak,onions and chips at the Park Place Hotel after training.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 20, 2016 10:14:15 GMT
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 20, 2016 11:42:38 GMT
Now that the U21 campaign has come to an end have any of them been called back into the senior panel - Begley and O Sullivan both played in early rounds of league
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Post by fitz on Apr 20, 2016 15:37:26 GMT
Key Micko ingredient. After training nosebag Stew Apple Tart and cream No paleolithic canisters won by him. I thought he was mad into d'aul steaks for the lads no? That's what the legend was anyway. The Dubs got tea and biscuits in the shed in Parnell. If they were lucky! I assumed incorrectly, I had word it was definitely the menu in his time with Wicklow. I thus applied backward compatibility, which now seems to be wrong as befcuk.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 21, 2016 4:05:14 GMT
Part of Kerry's success back then was Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh nourishing the Dublin based players with a secret hotpot called Tomax, his missus serving it from the back of the car after training at UCD. It was subsequently fed to the home based lads but let's keep out little secret!
BTW does anyone know if Sky have exclusive rights to any '16 Championship games, football or hurling?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 21, 2016 12:25:35 GMT
Part of Kerry's success back then was Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh nourishing the Dublin based players with a secret hotpot called Tomax, his missus serving it from the back of the car after training at UCD. It was subsequently fed to the home based lads but let's keep out little secret! BTW does anyone know if Sky have exclusive rights to any '16 Championship games, football or hurling? Was it not called 'Bendix'?
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 21, 2016 14:46:01 GMT
Interestingly Kerry's record in league finals is rather good with 19 titles and only four losses in finals. They have a better success rate in league finals than AI finals. Dublin on the other hand have 11 titles and 10 losses in finals.
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 21, 2016 14:53:35 GMT
If Dublin win on Sunday they will achieve a four in a row, matching Kerry's four in a row in the early 70's (before the Micko era). However they will still have some way to go to match the 6 in a row achieved by Mayo - yes MAYO (late 30's).
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 21, 2016 15:14:38 GMT
If Dublin win on Sunday they will achieve a four in a row, matching Kerry's four in a row in the early 70's (before the Micko era). However they will still have some way to go to match the 6 in a row achieved by Mayo - yes MAYO (late 30's). Micko played on that 4 in a row Kerry team and won 10 NFL medals in total.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 21, 2016 15:22:05 GMT
Part of Kerry's success back then was Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh nourishing the Dublin based players with a secret hotpot called Tomax, his missus serving it from the back of the car after training at UCD. It was subsequently fed to the home based lads but let's keep out little secret! BTW does anyone know if Sky have exclusive rights to any '16 Championship games, football or hurling? Was it not called 'Bendix'? Great picture from great times. Micko would have loved the commercialism in the modern game. He was ahead of his time in many regards. Looking forward to Croker on Sunday, hopefully a full house, the smell, taste and sounds of all things Kerry v Dublin in the Cathedral by the Canal when the place comes alive and summer football beckons. There won't be much in it at the heel of the hunt.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 21, 2016 15:31:40 GMT
Mick O’Dwyer impressed with Kerry's old guard
Thursday, April 21, 2016 Follow @johnfogartyirl By John Fogarty GAA Correspondent Mick O’Dwyer has given Kerry a ringing endorsement ahead of Sunday’s Division 1 final with Dublin, lauding the older generation of players who have impressed this spring.
The eight-time All-Ireland winning manager is buoyed by how well the Kingdom’s long-established 30 somethings have performed in helping guide the team to six straight victories after early Allianz League setbacks against Dublin and Roscommon.
O’Dwyer has heaped praise on Colm Cooper, Kieran Donaghy, Aidan O’Mahony, and Marc Ó Sé, particularly Cooper who, as the league campaign developed, banished memories of last September’s disappointing All-Ireland final performance against Dublin.
“He’s got his confidence back. It takes a bit of time after an injury like that. He’s really playing very well and (Mark) Griffin seems to be improving at full-back as well. There are a lot of pluses there. O’Mahony is playing better than he has ever played and Marc is playing good stuff too.
“I was 38 and still playing with Kerry. I got a Texaco (footballer of the year) award when I was 33. Age doesn’t matter; it’s how you prepare and how you keep yourself.
“Marc and Mahony, Jesus, they’re flying and Cooper has really come back. Donaghy’s now playing better than he’s ever played as well. They must be looking after themselves the way they’re playing.”
A general consensus seems to be forming Dublin’s superior speed will make the difference on Sunday, but O’Dwyer points out that only counts for so much.
“It takes more than pace to win games. Our own forward line seems to be playing well at the moment and there are still a number of Kerry players yet to come back into the game. You’ve (Anthony) Maher and these fellas.
“It’s going to be a good test for the players who are there now and whether they’re good enough to stay there.”
Likewise, O’Dwyer doesn’t read a lot into the fact Kerry, under Éamonn Fitzmaurice, have lost all four of their championship and league games against Dublin in Croke Park.
“There’s always a first. Kerry have been playing very well since the first two games when they weren’t going so good. They are doing a lot of good work and by Jesus they are playing well at the moment.”
It is the counties’ first Division 1 final meeting since O’Dwyer saw his Kerry side lose 1-11 to 0-11 in 1987, but the 79-year-old isn’t overly surprised it has taken this long for the pair to lock horns at this stage again.
“Kerry hadn’t put much into the league over the last number of years but they’ve put in a good effort this year and we’re seeing the dividends.”
Yesterday morning, RTÉ Radio 1’s Morning Ireland revisited O’Dwyer’s congratulatory address to Dublin in their dressing room following that game. “It’s great to have Dublin back at the top, and we love you for being there because we’ll have to come at you again!” That’s exactly how he figures Fitzmaurice’s Kerry will be approaching Sunday’s game.
“I think they have a good chance. They have introduced a good number of young lads and have a good mixture of experience and youth. It’s going to be a very interesting game. It’s going to be wide open. I suppose Dublin will be favourites but they have often been favourites before and we’ve managed them.
“It should be a good game of football anyway, which is important.
“I’d be hoping we’d take them but it’s going to be a very close game. There shouldn’t be much in it.
“Everybody will say Dublin will win but it’s good to have that.”
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 21, 2016 15:34:45 GMT
That interview is full of Micko-isms. You can just hear them in echo dancing off the top of summer evening sod in Killarney, Newbridge, Portlaoise, Aughrim or Waterville.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 21, 2016 15:54:54 GMT
Name all the players in that photo!
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Post by cruc8 on Apr 21, 2016 15:56:03 GMT
My team and match ups for Sunday Brendan K Mark on Brogan Mark G on Andrews Shane on Mannion/ mcmennim Peter C on Flynn Aiden on Connolly Fiona on Kilkenny Star on Bastic David on Fenton Johnny B/M Ganey v McCarthy Paul M v OSullivan Donnacha v Small Darren v Cooper GOochv McMahon Stephen v Fitzsimmons
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 21, 2016 16:25:59 GMT
Part of Kerry's success back then was Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh nourishing the Dublin based players with a secret hotpot called Tomax, his missus serving it from the back of the car after training at UCD. It was subsequently fed to the home based lads but let's keep out little secret! BTW does anyone know if Sky have exclusive rights to any '16 Championship games, football or hurling? Was it not called 'Bendix'? So our salt of the earth Dubs put Tomatoes and Ox tails into the Bendix, spin them and we have Tomax from a Bendix! So that's what happened poor Paddy in '78? The perils of copying a class act! Any takers on my Q re Sky exclusives for the championship?
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Apr 21, 2016 18:12:28 GMT
Read the article and you will not find a direct Garda quote that actually justifies the hysterical headline. An seanscéal céanna from Mr Cusack and the august organ for whom he corresponds.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 21, 2016 19:02:31 GMT
This Tomax and Bendix crack reminds me of Brendan Behan demonstrating the difference between poetry and prose;
There was a young fellah named Rollocks, who worked for Ferrier Pollocks. Walking on the Strand with his girl by the hand, the tide came up to his knees.
That’s prose, if the tide had been in, it would be poetry.
There was a hotpot called Tomax, 'twas fed to the Kerry team from a Bendix. The Dubs tried it at home for the crack, oh what a load of auld .... dirty washing!
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