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Post by lár na páirce on Apr 21, 2016 19:49:00 GMT
Team v Dublin 1. Brendan Kealy 2. Marc Ó Sé 3. Mark Griffin 4. Shane Enright 5. Peter Crowley 6. Aidan O’Mahony 7. Fionn Fitzgerald 8. Kieran Donaghy 9. David Moran 10. Bryan Sheehan 11. Paul Murphy 12. Donnchadh Walsh 13. Darran O’Sullivan 14. Colm Cooper 15. Stephen O’Brien Subs: 16. Brian Kelly 17. Johnny Buckley 18. Killian Young 19. Barry John Keane 20. Padraig O’Connor 21. Michael Geaney 22. Jonathan Lyne 23. Brendan O’Sullivan 24. Kieran O’Leary 25. Tommy Walsh 26. Denis Daly
Surprised that Paul Geaney is not on the bench but happy to see Kieran O'Leary back.
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Post by 6 in a row on Apr 21, 2016 20:04:57 GMT
Kieran O Leary is not better than Paul Geaney. No sign of o leary all through the league and then he's there for the final. Not right in my opinion. No Alan Fitzgerald why?
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Post by lár na páirce on Apr 21, 2016 20:08:55 GMT
Kieran O Leary is not better than Paul Geaney. No sign of o leary all through the league and then he's there for the final. Not right in my opinion. No Alan Fitzgerald why? Geaney has been playing well for Dingle the past 3 weeks so it's a strange one alright,Good to see O'Leary back from his injury and hopefully he can put a bit of pressure on for a place in the squad. Alan Fitz picked up a knock and is rested,That leaves Paul Geaney,Jack Sherwood,Pa Kilkenny,Aidan Walsh & Philip O’Connor on the extended panel while on the injury list is James O’Donoghue,Alan Fitzgerald,Brian Ó Beaglaoich & Anthony Maher.
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Post by inchperfect on Apr 21, 2016 20:37:46 GMT
Thought Brian Ó Beaglaoich would come back in to the squad.
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Post by peanuts on Apr 21, 2016 20:40:21 GMT
Thought Brian Ó Beaglaoich would come back in to the squad. He went off injured against Cork in the u-21 MF and I don't think he played for the club at w/e.
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 21, 2016 20:50:52 GMT
Thought Brian Ó Beaglaoich would come back in to the squad. He went off injured against Cork in the u-21 MF and I don't think he played for the club at w/e. He broke a bone in his hand in the Cork match.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Apr 21, 2016 20:58:45 GMT
Think O Beaglaoich is a man for the A v B games over he summer to see how he progresses in the senior setup in championship mod, he is one for the future for sure.. Disappointed that Fitzgerald has an injury as I think he has a few skills that the Dublin back line would struggle with, great man to win his own ball. Wonder if Donaghy will be dispatched to test the Dublin back line or will Fitzmaurice leave the pin in that particular grenade for an August day ?! In Killarney last year he caused O Carroll all kinds of problems and he was the best they had to offer to deal with a player like Donaghy so I would have loved to have seen either Geaney or Fitzgerald test the backs on Sunday as a kind of "Starlight" test to see how they fared with the scud !! Good team named and I hope Lyne gets a run as I think he is a good player,,
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Post by gamechanger10 on Apr 21, 2016 21:05:38 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 21, 2016 21:42:49 GMT
The Bendix business was the start of a process that thirty years later has one county getting as much sponsorship as all the others together.
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Post by kerryexile on Apr 21, 2016 22:21:00 GMT
The team is as expected. It highlights how bare we are at the back. Aidan at centre back is vulnerable. Thought Crowley would be in the centre. Young on the bench doesn't provide any reassurance and after that it is Lyne (good attacker but not a marker) and O'Connor (lacking experience). Black cards will be extremely critical.
Contrast that with the forwards. Six very good on with Buckley, BJK, M Geaney, to come in or Donaghy to go forward and this with Alan Fitzgerald and JO'D injured.
Paul Murphy will surely be deployed one way or another in a defencive role and Sheehan will surely spend time at midfield.
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Post by fitz on Apr 22, 2016 0:42:49 GMT
The team is as expected. It highlights how bare we are at the back. Aidan at centre back is vulnerable. Thought Crowley would be in the centre. Young on the bench doesn't provide any reassurance and after that it is Lyne (good attacker but not a marker) and O'Connor (lacking experience). Black cards will be extremely critical. Contrast that with the forwards. Six very good on with Buckley, BJK, M Geaney, to come in or Donaghy to go forward and this with Alan Fitzgerald and JO'D injured. Paul Murphy will surely be deployed one way or another in a defencive role and Sheehan will surely spend time at midfield. On Murph, would disagree. Think they've made a bet on him as key link from mid to forwards and can see him scrapping for breaking ball round the middle. Primarily he is now a forward tasked mainly with creation of scoring opportunities but also with picking a few himself too. They've seen enough of him in the league to persist and I believe that this is now his best position because of what we need from this position and the traits he brings.
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Post by kerryexile on Apr 22, 2016 8:28:09 GMT
The team is as expected. It highlights how bare we are at the back. Aidan at centre back is vulnerable. Thought Crowley would be in the centre. Young on the bench doesn't provide any reassurance and after that it is Lyne (good attacker but not a marker) and O'Connor (lacking experience). Black cards will be extremely critical. Contrast that with the forwards. Six very good on with Buckley, BJK, M Geaney, to come in or Donaghy to go forward and this with Alan Fitzgerald and JO'D injured. Paul Murphy will surely be deployed one way or another in a defencive role and Sheehan will surely spend time at midfield. On Murph, would disagree. Think they've made a bet on him as key link from mid to forwards and can see him scrapping for breaking ball round the middle. Primarily he is now a forward tasked mainly with creation of scoring opportunities but also with picking a few himself too. They've seen enough of him in the league to persist and I believe that this is now his best position because of what we need from this position and the traits he brings. I agree with what you say but it may be a case of “needs must” For the job that must be done on Sunday by the backs - speed / stamina is needed, the ability to stop /dispossess forwards, and generally stand up to a well oiled attacking machine. Looking at the personnel available and the possibility of a black card or two Paul's foraging skills may be needed further back at some stage.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 22, 2016 9:16:14 GMT
From the outside in one could well argue that we are continuing where we left on in Sept by mixing up top defence and attack positionings, but then again those involved know a wee bit more than us keyboarders. Maybe Paul will fulfil the loose ball role that the other Paul was drafted in for, PM won't be found wanting for pace and he is in some form.
Pat O'Shea also has an interesting take on it in The Irish Times.
Dwyer gave our ageing backs the thumbs up in that Examiner article so here's hoping we can crack them and pull it out of the fire on the day, and if we can then it will be a most exciting Summer.
By the way, does anyone know of Sky exclusive games for The Championship?
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Post by animal on Apr 22, 2016 10:32:27 GMT
Looking forward to Sunday in a way that I wasn't able to look forward to the final last September. For whatever reason I was never as low in confidence going into a final as last year, Marc and Paul being injured was the final nail for me. This Sunday however whilst I wouldn't be hugely confident of winning I am at least looking forward with optimism. We are moving well with a settled team. A team that is almost unusually settled for the time of year.
I am looking forward to see how our lads at 8 to 11 do against the best team in the country. Donaghy at midfield and Paul at 11 are the most significant changes to the team. Sunday is the true test of the new look.
I am hoping that Darran maintains his recent form. When on fire he is as potent as any forward in the country.
The role of Colm Cooper will be fascinating. One of the most noted aspects of last year's final was the way Dublin dictated the game particularly in relation to Colm. I am hoping that the Colm Cooper of 2016 is a different beast and that Eamonn and co have a strategy in mind to get the best from him. We can't afford to have him chasing Philly McMahon up the field again. I'm sure Dublin will have a plan in mind also.
Overall I'm happy with the team. Killian Young and Johnny Buckley must have been close to making the 15 and will surely be bursting to take the field when needed.
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Post by brigid on Apr 22, 2016 10:40:30 GMT
The subs panel looks very much like that for the AI 2015. I hope it wont have the same impact on the players display. Looks like there is another "selector", who is not officially listed, is once more having influence on the this panel.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Apr 22, 2016 10:45:34 GMT
The subs panel looks very much like that for the AI 2015. I hope it wont have the same impact on the players display. Looks like there is another "selector", who is not officially listed, is once more having influence on the this panel. Who?? I thought the selection team is Eamonn, Mikey Sheehy, Liam Hassett and Diarmuid Murphy. Or am I missing someone?
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 22, 2016 11:00:55 GMT
The team is as expected. It highlights how bare we are at the back. Aidan at centre back is vulnerable. Thought Crowley would be in the centre. Young on the bench doesn't provide any reassurance and after that it is Lyne (good attacker but not a marker) and O'Connor (lacking experience). Black cards will be extremely critical. Contrast that with the forwards. Six very good on with Buckley, BJK, M Geaney, to come in or Donaghy to go forward and this with Alan Fitzgerald and JO'D injured. Paul Murphy will surely be deployed one way or another in a defencive role and Sheehan will surely spend time at midfield. I wouldn't worry about Aidan. He's been playing the sweeper role more so than the traditional centre-back role which has suited him down to the ground. It's up to the entire defensive system to plug the middle, not just Aidan.
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Post by Premier on Apr 22, 2016 11:31:53 GMT
The subs panel looks very much like that for the AI 2015. I hope it wont have the same impact on the players display. Looks like there is another "selector", who is not officially listed, is once more having influence on the this panel. Brendan Sullivan would beg to differ on that
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 22, 2016 16:34:28 GMT
Just noticed JohnnyB not starting, what did I say about us keyboarders? Maybe they are looking to end with the best 15, and if there are that many players showing better form than Johnny then I think The Dubs will be roasted alive, Tomaxed, Bendixed and hung out to dry.
As an afterthought on AO'M, I recall Dwyer being criticised initially for playing 'an immobile' Tim 'Horse' Kennelly RIP at 6, and of course we all know he went on to own that jersey. I suppose that is managers crafting teams, as opposed to keyboarders placing individuals. I've a good feel about this one and it will be nice for Éamonn & Co to get another top Springtime performance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 17:35:58 GMT
Dublin will win by 4 to 6 points I think. They just have a better team. There isn't a lot of difference between the players. The big difference is Dublin are a faster team. They move the ball quicker. They have fast forwards and they move it out of defense fast. They also use the wide open spaces of Croke Park well with Midfield and half backs attacking at every opportunity. Kerry are an older team and I would worry about the older lads on the Team keeping up with Dublin. We have a good bench but so does Dublin. I think Dublin will keep their winning record over Kerry intact.
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Post by bomberliston on Apr 22, 2016 21:12:54 GMT
Wedding in Dublin next week. We'd better win or I'm gonna get a slagging for the whole day and night...the night part could be rough!
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Post by Kingdomson on Apr 22, 2016 23:27:08 GMT
Dublin will win by 4 to 6 points I think. They just have a better team. There isn't a lot of difference between the players. The big difference is Dublin are a faster team. They move the ball quicker. They have fast forwards and they move it out of defense fast. They also use the wide open spaces of Croke Park well with Midfield and half backs attacking at every opportunity. Kerry are an older team and I would worry about the older lads on the Team keeping up with Dublin. We have a good bench but so does Dublin. I think Dublin will keep their winning record over Kerry intact. Hard to disagree in general and when you consider the fact we enter this contest without scoring forwards as talented as Paul Geaney and James O'D, we’re up against it really. It is at this altitude against a team as talented as the Dubs you will really feel those losses. Those 2 boys back and ready to roar come August will be huge additions. I hope my doubts are proven well wrong for Sunday. Here’s hoping anyway. Come on the Kingdom!
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Post by fitz on Apr 23, 2016 0:40:40 GMT
Dublin will win by 4 to 6 points I think. They just have a better team. There isn't a lot of difference between the players. The big difference is Dublin are a faster team. They move the ball quicker. They have fast forwards and they move it out of defense fast. They also use the wide open spaces of Croke Park well with Midfield and half backs attacking at every opportunity. Kerry are an older team and I would worry about the older lads on the Team keeping up with Dublin. We have a good bench but so does Dublin. I think Dublin will keep their winning record over Kerry intact. There's a cold no nonsense delivery to your viewpoint that is refreshing, devoid of green glasses and also sentiment. It is hard to disagree with almost everything you've outlined. I think you're over playing the older players angle though. Bastick is 36 and Bernard is 32 so they are not all young gazelles. They are faster though, no doubt, Dublin. I don't think Dublin's bench is that high in quality. Their full back line hasn't been worked yet. We have more tools than anyone to do that. I am not confident because Dublin are the real deal but I think we are in better shape for the job than last September for the following reasons. 1) Dublin have no competitive match under the belt advantage(against a top team) or a shorter gap in game time as was in 2015. 2) Marc and Murph are back, flying. 3) Darran is flying 70 mins. 4) Star is in his best form for many years. 5) Sheehan in form of life. 6) Gooch is well ahead of Gooch2015 6 options we only had bits of last Sep. 7) O'Carroll and McCaffrey have not been proven to be replaced. I think this will be a big problem for Dublin when white heat arrives. Both had serious Championship battle creds. Conversely Dublin have big unbeaten run, never looked ruffled under all circumstances visible to date. Mentally they are teak tough, unwavering belief. They have a gem back in Paul Mannion and also a very valuable battering ram and scoring threat back in O'Gara. Cormac Costello's a quality player with another year at senior chalked up. Their pace from back to front has increased as with their shooting percentages. It's an intriguing battle. Kerry need a performance, ideally one that could put even the vapor of doubt into their minds. A win would be brilliant, the performance is more important in my view. Look them in the eye...
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Post by wayupnorth on Apr 23, 2016 0:42:02 GMT
Dublin will win by 4 to 6 points I think. They just have a better team. There isn't a lot of difference between the players. The big difference is Dublin are a faster team. They move the ball quicker. They have fast forwards and they move it out of defense fast. They also use the wide open spaces of Croke Park well with Midfield and half backs attacking at every opportunity. Kerry are an older team and I would worry about the older lads on the Team keeping up with Dublin. We have a good bench but so does Dublin. I think Dublin will keep their winning record over Kerry intact. Hard to disagree in general and when you consider the fact we enter this contest without scoring forwards as talented as Paul Geaney and James O'D, we’re up against it really. It is at this altitude against a team as talented as the Dubs you will really feel those losses. Those 2 boys back and ready to roar come August will be huge additions. I hope my doubts are proven well wrong for Sunday. Here’s hoping anyway. Come on the Kingdom! "Hope for the best expect the worst. Life is a play we're unrehearsed" Up the Kingdom!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 23, 2016 8:48:12 GMT
Time for me to sign off on this. Really looking forward to what I believe will be the most titanic league final in many ways for a long time gone and yet to come. It's a huge occasion anyway and I would be seriously surprised if the teams don't live up to it. Last thing I want to hear or read afterwards is about "shadow-boxing", "training match", and all that nonsense.
Major clashes between the best teams in inter-county senior gaelic football are few and far between as it is. In a way it's a shame about the 1916 stuff clouding the waters. This game could have been in Killarney or Thurles. I think this game is also a god-send to Kerry, who get an early opportunity to release september 2015 out of their system instead of having to stew on it til late summer.
If Dublin produce the same level of performance they have done in the last two league finals & last year's All-I final they will be hard-beaten but the proviso is how the full-back area and goalkeeper cope. Kerry meanwhile can produce a big performance and whatever about the result can go home feeling they are back in business and knowing alot more about where they are and what they need to do for the major priority, of course the All-I.
In terms of league form Kerry were more impressive in their last few outings, and when it really mattered. Dublin were cruising and doing just enough at times. Can they lift it? In the first game Kerry were poor/gave nothing away. Of the rest of the teams Dublin faced, only Monaghan didn't look like they were beaten walking out on the pitch, maybe Roscommon too but that was against a very weakened Dublin team.
Monaghan showed in many ways how to play against Dublin, which apart from the obvious stuff, is to run at them hard and fast, quick ball in, and players who can win that ball and get scores off the cuff. By 2015 Jack McCaffrey had become formiddable at breaking up opposition attacks, first to the ball more often than not, tigerish in the tackle, and of course pace to burn. Jack meant the key to all teams chances, possession. And of course, a massive threat on the break.
As for the loss of Rory, Kerry must of course target goals. The obvious thought is long diagonal ball but I would expect Crowley & (when he comes in) Buckley from deep to be a big threat, with Gooch pulling the strings and no better/more dangerous man when at full sharpness to ghost in himself. If Kerry present that threat Dublin are on the back foot and having to use sweepers/defend deep.
That brings us to possession around the middle, this looks like breaking even overall but if one team gets a bit of a march here it will have alot of impact. Nobody will outfield Donaghy if and when he is/stays around there. If Dublin are pinned back then the keeper (I'm assuming Cluxton) has to hit it long. McCauley is essential to our chances, even though Bastick is likely to start with Fenton. Fenton has proved remarkably good at such a young age but this could be the first day when he really is up against a seriously major arsenal. Bastick can dog it out but he won't last too long.
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Post by Kingdomson on Apr 23, 2016 10:05:36 GMT
Legacy of Hanahoe lives on as rare auld times are reborn for Dubs new generation Billy Keane Billy Keane Legendary Dublin captain Tony Hanahoe lifts the Sam Maguire in 1976. So tomorrow the GAA will celebrate 'The Rising' with a big after-match pageant in Croke Park. I'm told by an insider there will be pyrotechnics and battles. The Allianz National League final between Dublin and Kerry promises to be every bit as dramatic. There's history there too of sporting conflict, ancient rivalries, culture clashes and football revolutions. If ever a team needed a rising it's Kerry as Dublin have beaten us so often in recent times, and the really sad part of it all is they don't even bother to slag us any more. Pity is harder to bear than punishment. For the first time ever, Dublin are every bit as skilful as Kerry. Except for 'The Gooch' and Marc Ó Sé, who played against older brothers in tight corners and as a result could turn an ocean-liner in a kiddies' paddling pool. This Dublin of 2016 are, and will be for some time to come, one of the greatest teams of all-time. They are natural footballers who look as if they learned the game not by drills but by playing in all-out games against their pals from Junior Infants on. And I must apologise to my Dublin friends for the delay in acknowledging same. Here is the brief analysis of the anatomy of a feeble excuse. I have much in common with my fellow romantic William Wordsworth who wrote "for oft when on my couch I lie" and he went on to praise daffodils. My guess is there weren't many daffodils about back then as the poet got a huge surprise when he met the flowers. Nowadays, there isn't a garden bed without a duvet of golden daffodils. But I'm not being paid to write about daffodils. Indeed I'm no use at gardening. I could hardly change a bulb. But, there is no doubt that Wordsworth and I do all our best work on the couch. Wordsworth wrote with what he described as "emotion recollected in tranquility" - ie, he took his time. I'll bet Wordsworth didn't have anyone telling him to "get up outa dat couch and put out the bins. And you there working and watching matches!" And neither did he have to meet strict deadlines so soon after the match that the referee's final long note was still whistling time up. I'm not a trained journalist. It was all learned on the job or in the pub. There was no college education in a school of journalism. So, I find it hard to control my emotions after big games. To modernise Eamon Dunphy's well-worn phrase, I'm a fan with a laptop. But now that I've had months to cool down, it has to be said this Dublin team are exceptional in terms of skill, courage and the way they have been managed by Jim Gavin. Are Dublin the best team of all time? The latter-day Dubs need to win more All-Irelands and they are well capable of stringing three or four together. It's only then that they can be considered as the greatest team ever. Maybe 'not yet' is the answer. Are they better than the team of the seventies and eighties? Possibly. I know Jimmy Keaveney can hardly contain himself as he reads this piece. Jimmy, you had it all. Looks, brains and wit. But I remember you most for your kicking. I often think you were a changeling, robbed from a Kerry pram. But the man I admired most from that team was Tony Hanahoe. He was the most intelligent footballer I ever saw and he needed to be. He played against the best and wickedest defences in places like Wexford Park, Tullamore, Navan and Portlaoise. Hanahoe took more punishment than a galley slave. And like Oliver Twist his response was to ask for more. For the youngsters, I had better explain that the television didn't do him justice. Hanahoe took centre-backs to parts of the field where only the groundsman ever visited. And for a polite man off the pitch he was as tough as any street fighter. The great Tim Kennelly with whom he had several ferocious battles summed it up best. "I was never sorer all over my body than after a day marking Tony." The farmer's son from Kerry and the urbane solicitors from Dublin were blood brothers. I met Tony when he arrived in Listowel for Tim's funeral. He was unable to speak with the emotion of it all. The thing was neither team played each other when they were both in their prime. Kerry were still developing in 1977 when Dublin won an epic. Yet only a year later the Dubs were gone past their best and Kerry won well. A year is a long time in football. Dublin are still the best team in the country but Kerry could catch them today. We are hurting badly and sometimes the pain of defeat can drive teams to improbable victories. But Dublin in full flow are as impossible to stop as a sneeze after snuff. Their athleticism and hardness, their speed and skill are a template for how the game should be played. Exuberance The organic exuberance of this Dublin team bears testimony to their upbringing in a city that never weeps. They play with joy in their hearts and genuinely seem to be having fun on the field but there's a ruthlessness, too, that can border on the unscrupulous. Today's Dubs have brought hundreds of thousands of their own people together as one. Some achievement in a city that has become international and multicultural. Pete St John lamented the making of a town into a city by money men who cared little for history. These young Dublin men of 2016 have made a town out of their city. Irish Independent www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/legacy-of-hanahoe-lives-on-as-rare-auld-times-are-reborn-for-dubs-new-generation-34652723.html------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good honest article by Billy Keane this morning and hard to disagree. I appreciate it's all about opinions but I cannot take seriously the opinion of anyone who doubts the sheer footballing skill of this Dublin team or doubts their greatness at this stage. Dublin are a team full of match winners and if I was to worry about one in particular going into this game, it's Ciarán Kilkenny. He looks set for an amazing year.
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Post by footballlover on Apr 23, 2016 11:06:41 GMT
Hi all, unfortunately I can't make Sundays game but have 2 free cusack tickets if anyone wants them. Send me a pm if interested.
Thanks, Footballlover.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 23, 2016 12:15:33 GMT
I think that for Kerry to win there are a few things they must achieve;
score two goals more than Dublin do. stop Dublin scoring directly from Cluxtons kickouts stop running blindly into the Dublins spiders web at the back and being turned over kick about 6 points from play from distances between the 21 yard line and the 45 yard line not lose a high portion of their own kickouts like in the 2015 final win possession from about a third of Dublins kickouts
Tis a lot. Maybe too much.
I hope that the ref is consistent. I couldnt give a toss if he is picky or leaves the whistle in his pocket as long as he is consistent.
Safe journey to everyone.
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Post by veteran on Apr 23, 2016 12:29:08 GMT
I have searched high and low , without success, for the Dublin selection. Does this piece of gamesmanship betray a smidgin of uncertainty?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 12:31:49 GMT
Another reason I think Dublin will win is if Kerry do play Mahony as a sweeper it won't work cause Dublin will bring too many players up the field together. He will have to move around a lot to cover attackers. They can't afford to bring Murphy back there I think that would be a big mistake cause they need him to attack and get on the ball and create scores. The sweeper will work against other teams but not Dublin. James McCathy Philly McMahon etc coming forward and kicking points.
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