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Post by jackiel on Apr 14, 2016 13:44:31 GMT
I don't think we should class ourselves as better than Dublin anymore. Dublin have a fine stock of players who have shown themselves to be physically and mentally stronger than most. Not all are natural footballers but lets be honest, it's the results that count. They apply themselves to the job in hand. There is a strong emphasis on motivation in the camp, they really do have self belief which is a huge bonus. Even young lads coming in fairly green are under no illusions that they're part of something special. There is a swagger about them, not in a negative way like some other teams I could mention. I also don't begrudge them the resources they have, they apply themselves to getting sponsorship deals and operate in an almost professional manner. Maybe more counties need to think more like them.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 14, 2016 14:04:01 GMT
Come on now --- at this stage we can't be disrespecting Dublin like that. In 2011 and 2015 they were better on the day and in 2013 they were 'simply' better. It is ridiculous to say that Dublin are anything but a top footballing side. Dublin would still be very good if a few of them spent a few weeks on the beer. I would agree with 2013 & 2015. 2013 those first half goals kept us in the race until Dublin got those late ones of their own. 2015 the 3 point gap flattered us. But without opening up old wounds again, 2011??? Are you serious? I said on the day.
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Post by kot on Apr 14, 2016 15:53:10 GMT
I would agree with 2013 & 2015. 2013 those first half goals kept us in the race until Dublin got those late ones of their own. 2015 the 3 point gap flattered us. But without opening up old wounds again, 2011??? Are you serious? I said on the day. Yes, exactly. On the day!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 14, 2016 16:36:44 GMT
Yes, exactly. On the day! There was a game to be won and we didn't win it. Ergo, on the day Dublin were better. On paper we were better but on the day, Dublin were better.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 18:32:48 GMT
Kerry made enough mistakes in the last 10 minutes of that final in 2011 to lose 2 all irelands. They didn't deserve it.
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Post by ciarrailar on Apr 14, 2016 19:32:57 GMT
Ger Brennan should have seen red and McQuillian thought 11 steps was fine by McMenamon for his goal at the end....
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Apr 14, 2016 19:47:14 GMT
Leave it be, there's no point having the thread derailed by something that happened in the past.
Who do we reckon will start in goals?
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Post by ballynamona on Apr 14, 2016 19:51:51 GMT
Leave it be, there's no point having the thread derailed by something that happened in the past. Who do we reckon will start in goals? Kealy. They are being rotated and it's his turn. I think that Kealy is still Eamonn's first choice in any case. Kealy has really begun to win me over, though I will probably never be his biggest fan.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 14, 2016 21:29:22 GMT
Dublin basically parked the bus in 2011 defensively and they were very hard to break down. Everything went right for Dublin that day. I will put it that way.
Dublin in 2013 were an accident waiting to happen defensively and that accident came v Donegal in 2014. Dublins all out attacking game was great to watch and it got them over the line in 2013 even if the defense was dodgy.
The Dublin management deserve serious accolades for get such an effective defensive structure in place since that fateful day v Donegal in 2014...a structure than turns defense into attack in seconds although a lot of teams play into their hands. I believe Kerry played into their hands in the final of 2015 and the league game recently.
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Post by fitz on Apr 14, 2016 21:38:58 GMT
I don't think Dublin have got McCaffrey covered, maybe less do O'Carroll. We can't tell right now because no team can really put it to them even though Cork and Monaghan only lost by a point. Hopefully we can take them to the Brollyism moment and "look them in the eye". We need to get there to break this sequence. Totally agree that Dublin are FAR more than speed, power, fitness and Cluxton's kickouts. They have some of the best players in the land in all lines of their team and their canister count reflects that. I agree with you regarding trophies won – no doubt their recent collection makes them the best team of the generation. As regards “FAR more than speed, power, fitness and Cluxton's kickouts” I don’t agree. They have NO more than that. if they have anything else in their locker we haven’t seen it. When for example has the main tactic been Cluxton lofting a kick out down the centre, Bastick taking it out of the clouds, turning and splitting the opposition with 45 metre passes. I have never seen it. Actually in recent league games when it was put up to them, particularly in the Cork game, their response was to up the work rate. They didn't know of any other way to react. In years to come that limitation will be discussed. Kerry are in the privileged position of being in the here and now to deal with it. They have NO more than speed, power, fitness and Cluxton? There's a flood of evidence to dispute that. Bernard, Flynn and Connolly who are both fine fielders, Paddy Andrews, Ciaran Kilkenny, Mannion - all two footed scoring forwards with high accuracy.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 14, 2016 21:50:08 GMT
Please remind me, when was there ever such anticipation for a league final?, not to mind one involving ourselves and our favourite opponents! If they are abolished then what a send off!
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Post by fitz on Apr 14, 2016 21:59:56 GMT
I agree with you regarding trophies won – no doubt their recent collection makes them the best team of the generation. As regards “FAR more than speed, power, fitness and Cluxton's kickouts” I don’t agree. They have NO more than that. if they have anything else in their locker we haven’t seen it. When for example has the main tactic been Cluxton lofting a kick out down the centre, Bastick taking it out of the clouds, turning and splitting the opposition with 45 metre passes. I have never seen it. Actually in recent league games when it was put up to them, particularly in the Cork game, their response was to up the work rate. They didn't know of any other way to react. In years to come that limitation will be discussed. Kerry are in the privileged position of being in the here and now to deal with it. They have NO more than speed, power, fitness and Cluxton? There's a flood of evidence to dispute that. Bernard, Flynn and Connolly who are both fine fielders, Paddy Andrews, Ciaran Kilkenny, Mannion - all two footed scoring forwards with high accuracy. They did score the first 9 points of the second half against Cork. You're right they ratcheted up the intensity but that's a serious mauling of unanswered points that points to a team elevated in the most important skill of the game, scoring.
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Post by wayupnorth on Apr 15, 2016 7:20:43 GMT
Please remind me, when was there ever such anticipation for a league final?, not to mind one involving ourselves and our favourite opponents! If they are abolished then what a send off! Are they thinking of scrapping the League Finals? I thought it was just the semis which is probably no harm. If the semis had been scrapped this year we would have had the exact same final and avoided the farcical situation where one team on six points is relegated and another on the same point total gets to the semis. Yes it's more highly anticipated this year because the two clear best teams in the country at present are taking part. Added spice is that it's highly unlikely that there will be the same lineup for this years AIF. I have to say though that I think we're still a work in progress whilst Dublin is the complete package at present. But there is an air of uncertainty about the result that hasn't been there for years
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Post by Jo90 on Apr 15, 2016 9:30:24 GMT
Please remind me, when was there ever such anticipation for a league final?, not to mind one involving ourselves and our favourite opponents! If they are abolished then what a send off! Just the semis are gone. Next year 1st v 2nd play in the final. I don't think that system will last long as it will lead to lots of dead rubbers. Dead rubbers = smaller crowds = less money and it's all about the money. Contrast that to this year where every match in the last round had significance for either the semis or relegation.
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Post by homerj on Apr 15, 2016 20:46:27 GMT
Is there much interest down home for this in the kingdom?
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 17, 2016 22:31:27 GMT
Someone told me this evening that they already have 65,000 tickets sold for the games and the 1916 Extravaganza. I find that hard to believe to be honest.
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Post by wayupnorth on Apr 18, 2016 6:02:14 GMT
Someone told me this evening that they already have 65,000 tickets sold for the games and the 1916 Extravaganza. I find that hard to believe to be honest. A good proportion of that will be the tickets available to all Season Ticket holders and the fact that Dublin is playing. Tyrone will also travel in large numbers to Croke Park for any sort of final and how many extra punters will be attracted for the 1916 extravaganza is anyone's guess.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 18, 2016 8:11:14 GMT
Are all the players still standing after the weekend?
In it's own right, irrespective of the after game show, Kerry v Dublin in a league final in Croke Park should draw 60,000 plus to HQ in a final between the top two teams in the country.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Apr 18, 2016 8:52:32 GMT
It's only April and we have the two best teams in the country about to go at it full pelt. The place is going to be almost sold out I would think as there is lots of interest in this clash from neutrals as well as both county supporters. Tyrone and Cavan will be well supported as well and the celebration will bring people from all walks. The dubs seem to think that they are about to dish out a right walloping !! Lets hope this is lesson number one ,,
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Post by lár na páirce on Apr 18, 2016 10:28:06 GMT
Absolute shock horror as the county players came through the weekend's club games without injury,Just goes to show that players going back to their clubs should be more regular
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Post by buck02 on Apr 18, 2016 12:29:09 GMT
Absolute shock horror as the county players came through the weekend's club games without injury,Just goes to show that players going back to their clubs should be more regular Its still not ideal that the weekend before a national final against Dublin, Kerry did not get together. I wonder what work the Dubs did this weekend in terms of fine-tuning their game to take on Kerry and go through their gameplan. But the championship games have to be played sometime and it probably shows the league isnt too much of a priority. In relation to the crowd, I'm just watching the league final launch on gaa.ie and it was said 40,000 tickets have been cold already.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 18, 2016 13:27:41 GMT
I assume there will be no complaints in Kerry if the team are not fully good to go next Sunday as a result of having played club championship over the previous weekend?
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 18, 2016 13:58:52 GMT
Playing club football in the weeks prior to the game can't be used as an excuse for the "no show" in the 2015 all Ireland final.
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Post by lár na páirce on Apr 18, 2016 14:41:55 GMT
I assume there will be no complaints in Kerry if the team are not fully good to go next Sunday as a result of having played club championship over the previous weekend? Kerry trained twice last week and played with their clubs the weekend,They probably missed out on one collective session
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 18, 2016 20:54:05 GMT
The census is on sunday so be sure to be back home by bedtime in the kingdom
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Post by Chinatown on Apr 18, 2016 21:19:45 GMT
The census is on sunday so be sure to be back home by bedtime in the kingdom For sure, we are already after loosing a constituency, don't want to exasperate it any further with a low count and sure if you can bring a dub or two with ya, all the better
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 18, 2016 21:26:06 GMT
Might be a few census forms taken out of the back pockets in Coppers!
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 18, 2016 21:35:43 GMT
Looks as if the GAA are expecting close to a sell out for Sunday lads: "Ticket sales for Sunday's Allianz football League Division 1 and 2 finals and the LAOCHRA show at Croke Park have already passed the 50,000 mark. The GAA's Head of Communcations Alan Milton tweeted the news this afternoon. The figure is well above last year's attendance of almost 31,000 and is on course to surpass the 59,703 that watched the 1993 final replay between Dublin and Donegal. The biggest crowd for the league's showpiece game in recent years was 46,445 for the Armagh-Wexford final in 2005. When Corporate and Premiem Level ticket holders are taken into account, a near-capacity crowd is expected at GAA headquarters for the finals and for the GAA's official role in the 1916 Rising Commemoration." Source: www.Hoganstand.com
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Post by kerryexile on Apr 19, 2016 9:59:46 GMT
With a view to the upcoming championship the one thing I want to see on Sunday, almost as much as a win is a Kerry performance that is not restricted by the use of tactics.
A Galway man with whom I have the occasional pint believes that Brian Cody and Mick O’Dwyer are over rated as managers. He is adamant that neither ever devised proper tactics for their teams because he has seen their players doing things on the pitch that the managers could not possibly have anticipated they would need to do.
I don’t try to convert him but I think that what Cody and O’Dwyer did do was develop the players to the point where they could instinctively react to any situation that presented itself.
Playing with intelligence and initiative is the main tactic needed. I have always looked on the use of micro tactics, as used mainly by Ulster teams, as an admission that they need something more than what they offer as a football team to deal with top opposition. Kerry doesn’t need that mentality.
In recent years Kerry have been drawn into the tactics competition and with few exceptions it has been to our disadvantage. It takes the edge off of our game.
To beat Dublin, Kerry will have to think on their feet and think as a team. If for example it transpires that Dublin are so concerned about Donaghy in the air that Paul Murphy is given more space than expected all the Kerry players must identify this and use it to their advantage.
Many modern managers would consider Mikey Sheehy’s chip in 1978 AIF an act of madness because there was a point there for the taking. It’s very unlikely that O’Dwyer gave out at half time because Bomber got three more in the second half.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 19, 2016 11:19:01 GMT
With a view to the upcoming championship the one thing I want to see on Sunday, almost as much as a win is a Kerry performance that is not restricted by the use of tactics. A Galway man with whom I have the occasional pint believes that Brian Cody and Mick O’Dwyer are over rated as managers. He is adamant that neither ever devised proper tactics for their teams because he has seen their players doing things on the pitch that the managers could not possibly have anticipated they would need to do. I don’t try to convert him but I think that what Cody and O’Dwyer did do was develop the players to the point where they could instinctively react to any situation that presented itself. Playing with intelligence and initiative is the main tactic needed. I have always looked on the use of micro tactics, as used mainly by Ulster teams, as an admission that they need something more than what they offer as a football team to deal with top opposition. Kerry doesn’t need that mentality. In recent years Kerry have been drawn into the tactics competition and with few exceptions it has been to our disadvantage. It takes the edge off of our game. To beat Dublin, Kerry will have to think on their feet and think as a team. If for example it transpires that Dublin are so concerned about Donaghy in the air that Paul Murphy is given more space than expected all the Kerry players must identify this and use it to their advantage. Many modern managers would consider Mikey Sheehy’s chip in 1978 AIF an act of madness because there was a point there for the taking. It’s very unlikely that O’Dwyer gave out at half time because Bomber got three more in the second half. Reading that it's like 2001-2005 never happened.
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