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Post by The16thMan on Apr 13, 2016 2:23:02 GMT
It's absolutely frightening to think what kind of form Kerry have been in lately when you take into account that two key players such as Maher & O'Donoghue have missed the entire league campaign. There have been factors for me that have been crucial to Kerrys recent success, Paul Murphy at 11 and Donaghy at 8. These two players have been revelations in their new positions especially Murphy who is always showing for ball and poses a great threat when breaking at pace, I've been impressed with him. Also I have to mention Marc Ó Sé seems to have also have found a new lease of life in what seems to be his last year. There's no doubting we have the capacity to take home the title but we must be clinical, WE MUST SCORE GOALS and finally we cannot panic like we did in the AI final. When Kerry trailed by 3 points from an early stage in last years final we panicked, took the wrong choices and in the end it cost Kerry. The lads must be composed at all times and not let Dublin get under their skin cause really we have the better natural footballers but we have to make that count on the day.
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Post by dano on Apr 13, 2016 3:23:35 GMT
Mickmack, Last years All Ireland is a mystery to me! The poor wides, the rain, the way Dublin capitalised possession, the turnovers. Nothing went right. Then a glimmer of hope at the end that could have tied the game, but that went wrong too. I saw all the League games this year and we've improved in each one. I've a feeling things will go right in this final. Defensive system or not.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 13, 2016 8:20:19 GMT
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 13, 2016 9:59:29 GMT
What is the latest on Maher and O Donoghue - when are they expected back competitively?
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Post by keane on Apr 13, 2016 10:21:36 GMT
Is he really marvellous? I don't agree. He is marvellous at his job, yes, a fine athlete, very composed but I'm not sure the skill set and application of same meet that bar. Skill set? This is the same guy who has won All Ireland's playing corner back, midfield and centre-back/sweeper? My humble opinion is that he's one of the most skilful defenders in the country, if not the most.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 10:34:39 GMT
Dublin have real pace and they move the ball fast. They have the best squad in Ireland right now some fantastic players. It shows you their strength in depth when you lose players like McCaffrey and O'Carroll and still keep winning both of them are good players. Kerry will be up against it but it will be a great test for Kerry and it will show them how close or far away they are to them. I like the way Kerry have played the last few weeks. They are moving the ball fast. They are working hard for each other and they look really fit for this time of year. Midfield is key of course but I think Paul Murphy will have a big part to play. As someone said it earlier he is the Ogie Moran of this team. He is the link man and if he can get on the ball and move it fast to Gooch and Darren and O'Brien we will get the scores to keep us in it. Dublins weak link if they have one for me is the full back line. I think if we get enough ball into the boys we will do damage. Philly McMahon is a real danger when he comes up the field and James McCarthy also. We have to track them at all times. Both teams have good subs to bring in so they will probably cancel each other out. Good weather will suit Kerry better lets hope for it.
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Post by jackiel on Apr 13, 2016 11:30:51 GMT
I've said it before but I feel it's even more true now that though Dublin are strong & have many great players, if teams believe they could beat them rather than the hype it is possible. There's a myth out there that they're unbeatable, they're not , they just have the belief in themselves and don't give up. Instead of talking about how to play Dublin's game, we should be concentrating on playing how we want,bring the game to them. We have a very strong panel this year, we're improving all the time. It's great to be back in a Final even if it is "only the League", hopefully we'll have big support on the 24th. Ciarraí abú
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Post by skybluezone on Apr 13, 2016 13:04:27 GMT
Some interesting views above on what lies in store.
I wouldn't normally place much emphasis on League games between these but this one has a different feel becuase its a final obviously. Also because Dublin are now in Kerry's head, and making them squirm, so from a Kerry perspective this needs sorting, and the sooner the better. Dublin will be looking to keep the foot on the throat too, so when you factor those elements in it certainly won't be "only the league". All in all probably a bit more at stake for Kerry, as they look to lay down the proverbial "marker".
Not sure I agree with the 16th Man when he says Kerry have better natural footballers.
Also would struggle with nacrocaigh's view that good weather will suit Kerry better. It would be remiss of me not to point out that last September the poor conditions were supposed to suit Kerry better because they had beaten Tyrone in the semi in similarly poor conditions. I think Colm O'Rourke pointed out that the conditions in the final did Kerry a favour in the end and kept them in it.
As an aside, not sure if someone has mentioned it but the review / preview (if thats what it was) on Allianz League show last Sunday was appalling. 95% of the conversation was about the sad demise of Donegal. I didn't realise they had got to the final! I think we then got a half a sentence about Dublin v Kerry before moving on to the serious matter of the Div. 2 final, and how great Tyrone are going to be this year. They may well be great but they were in Div. 2, and haven't played anyone of note yet. It appears Joe has burdened Tyrone with his blessing for the year, Mickey Harte will not be amused!
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 13, 2016 16:14:49 GMT
Eddie Kinsella is an interesting choice for referee.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 16:31:52 GMT
I think a dry day would suit Kerry cause they make a lot more mistakes with the wet ball from what i have seen. Some of the players have poor ball handling skills in wet conditions and they seem to be always on the ground. Last year against Dublin and Tyrone the amount of times they slipped and dropped the ball was crazy. A dry day would suit players like Gooch and Darren and Murphy much more than a wet day I think.
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 13, 2016 16:37:47 GMT
Not sure I agree with the 16th Man when he says Kerry have better natural footballers. Of course skybluezone my opinion is open to interpretation but when I mean "better natural footballers" I'm saying that in my opinion they are the best team in the country at executing the basic skills of the game such as kick passing tackling etc... but I'm not taking anything away from Dublin of course they are by a distance the most athletic team in the country,have tremendous physical condition and they hugely benefit from this when it comes to Cluxtons kick outs as it allows them to get on with the game immediately so that the opposition hasn't time to reset their formation for the forthcoming attack.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 13, 2016 16:51:32 GMT
Not sure I agree with the 16th Man when he says Kerry have better natural footballers. Of course skybluezone my opinion is open to interpretation but when I mean "better natural footballers" I'm saying that in my opinion they are the best team in the country at executing the basic skills of the game such as kick passing tackling etc... but I'm not taking anything away from Dublin of course they are by a distance the most athletic team in the country,have tremendous physical condition and they hugely benefit from this when it comes to Cluxtons kick outs as it allows them to get on with the game immediately so that the opposition hasn't time to reset their formation for the forthcoming attack. Come on now --- at this stage we can't be disrespecting Dublin like that. In 2011 and 2015 they were better on the day and in 2013 they were 'simply' better. It is ridiculous to say that Dublin are anything but a top footballing side. Dublin would still be very good if a few of them spent a few weeks on the beer.
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Post by keane on Apr 13, 2016 16:52:32 GMT
I can see why people don't like us.
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Post by dart on Apr 13, 2016 19:23:03 GMT
Dublin are awesome at the moment. It's their best team ever or certainly will be soon enough.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 19:31:35 GMT
If they win another one or two All Irelands they will be. I think its neck and neck with the 70s team. Different era of course. The team of the 70s played in 6 All Irelands in a row 1974 to 1979 and won back to back in 1976 and 1977. That's fair going no matter what era.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 13, 2016 19:49:32 GMT
I for one dont agree with the view that Kerry are more natural footballers than Dublin.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 13, 2016 20:02:52 GMT
Some interesting views above on what lies in store. I wouldn't normally place much emphasis on League games between these but this one has a different feel becuase its a final obviously. Also because Dublin are now in Kerry's head, and making them squirm, so from a Kerry perspective this needs sorting, and the sooner the better. Dublin will be looking to keep the foot on the throat too, so when you factor those elements in it certainly won't be "only the league". All in all probably a bit more at stake for Kerry, as they look to lay down the proverbial "marker". Not sure I agree with the 16th Man when he says Kerry have better natural footballers. Also would struggle with nacrocaigh's view that good weather will suit Kerry better. It would be remiss of me not to point out that last September the poor conditions were supposed to suit Kerry better because they had beaten Tyrone in the semi in similarly poor conditions. I think Colm O'Rourke pointed out that the conditions in the final did Kerry a favour in the end and kept them in it. As an aside, not sure if someone has mentioned it but the review / preview (if thats what it was) on Allianz League show last Sunday was appalling. 95% of the conversation was about the sad demise of Donegal. I didn't realise they had got to the final! I think we then got a half a sentence about Dublin v Kerry before moving on to the serious matter of the Div. 2 final, and how great Tyrone are going to be this year. They may well be great but they were in Div. 2, and haven't played anyone of note yet. It appears Joe has burdened Tyrone with his blessing for the year, Mickey Harte will not be amused! What do you make of Dublin in 2016... will the loss of the two defenders come back to haunt them. They have Mannion back and oGara isnt far away from a return. Philly is playing out of his skin...what a delightful pass to Bernard for the goal last week. Dublin have their own little demons to bury for good and for glory in 2016. The last time Dublin won two in a row was in 1977. Jack Lynch became Taoiseach again in 1977 in a landslide for FF after they made an election promise to do away with rates. I remember that semi final well. Elvis had just died suddenly a few weeks before and twas a shock! There was a banner on the Hill saying Elvis is dead but the Dubs live on. The last time Dublin as All Ireland Champions reached the following years final was 1984, the Centenery year of the GAA. Heffo was manager. Retaining the All Ireland in 2016 is not a given by any means even if Dublin look set fair to do so.
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Post by fitz on Apr 13, 2016 23:40:34 GMT
I don't think Dublin have got McCaffrey covered, maybe less do O'Carroll. We can't tell right now because no team can really put it to them even though Cork and Monaghan only lost by a point. Hopefully we can take them to the Brollyism moment and "look them in the eye". We need to get there to break this sequence.
Totally agree that Dublin are FAR more than speed, power, fitness and Cluxton's kickouts. They have some of the best players in the land in all lines of their team and their canister count reflects that.
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Post by fitz on Apr 13, 2016 23:43:41 GMT
Is he really marvellous? I don't agree. He is marvellous at his job, yes, a fine athlete, very composed but I'm not sure the skill set and application of same meet that bar. Skill set? This is the same guy who has won All Ireland's playing corner back, midfield and centre-back/sweeper? My humble opinion is that he's one of the most skilful defenders in the country, if not the most. I take your point. Maybe one his super powers is that he can always project himself in-game as if he's kicking a ball on his own down at some local club pitch. I've never seen under real heat.
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Post by dano on Apr 14, 2016 2:33:29 GMT
Dublin are the best team in football at the moment and they have some of the best players. Kerry have put themselves in a position now where they can raise the bar. Let's hope they do it. I, for one, believe they can. The high fielding, the accurate kickpassing, the long range points of the last few league games and the top notch sub bench is the root of my belief. The Dubs have massive respect for Kerry. This is reflected in the posts of their contributers on here. Most Kerry supporters, including myself, feel the same way about Dublin. Long live this great rivalry.
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Post by kerryexile on Apr 14, 2016 8:15:23 GMT
I don't think Dublin have got McCaffrey covered, maybe less do O'Carroll. We can't tell right now because no team can really put it to them even though Cork and Monaghan only lost by a point. Hopefully we can take them to the Brollyism moment and "look them in the eye". We need to get there to break this sequence. Totally agree that Dublin are FAR more than speed, power, fitness and Cluxton's kickouts. They have some of the best players in the land in all lines of their team and their canister count reflects that. I agree with you regarding trophies won – no doubt their recent collection makes them the best team of the generation. As regards “FAR more than speed, power, fitness and Cluxton's kickouts” I don’t agree. They have NO more than that. if they have anything else in their locker we haven’t seen it. When for example has the main tactic been Cluxton lofting a kick out down the centre, Bastick taking it out of the clouds, turning and splitting the opposition with 45 metre passes. I have never seen it. Actually in recent league games when it was put up to them, particularly in the Cork game, their response was to up the work rate. They didn't know of any other way to react. In years to come that limitation will be discussed. Kerry are in the privileged position of being in the here and now to deal with it.
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Post by skybluezone on Apr 14, 2016 8:53:34 GMT
Some interesting views above on what lies in store. I wouldn't normally place much emphasis on League games between these but this one has a different feel becuase its a final obviously. Also because Dublin are now in Kerry's head, and making them squirm, so from a Kerry perspective this needs sorting, and the sooner the better. Dublin will be looking to keep the foot on the throat too, so when you factor those elements in it certainly won't be "only the league". All in all probably a bit more at stake for Kerry, as they look to lay down the proverbial "marker". Not sure I agree with the 16th Man when he says Kerry have better natural footballers. Also would struggle with nacrocaigh's view that good weather will suit Kerry better. It would be remiss of me not to point out that last September the poor conditions were supposed to suit Kerry better because they had beaten Tyrone in the semi in similarly poor conditions. I think Colm O'Rourke pointed out that the conditions in the final did Kerry a favour in the end and kept them in it. As an aside, not sure if someone has mentioned it but the review / preview (if thats what it was) on Allianz League show last Sunday was appalling. 95% of the conversation was about the sad demise of Donegal. I didn't realise they had got to the final! I think we then got a half a sentence about Dublin v Kerry before moving on to the serious matter of the Div. 2 final, and how great Tyrone are going to be this year. They may well be great but they were in Div. 2, and haven't played anyone of note yet. It appears Joe has burdened Tyrone with his blessing for the year, Mickey Harte will not be amused! What do you make of Dublin in 2016... will the loss of the two defenders come back to haunt them. They have Mannion back and oGara isnt far away from a return. Philly is playing out of his skin...what a delightful pass to Bernard for the goal last week. Dublin have their own little demons to bury for good and for glory in 2016. The last time Dublin won two in a row was in 1977. Jack Lynch became Taoiseach again in 1977 in a landslide for FF after they made an election promise to do away with rates. I remember that semi final well. Elvis had just died suddenly a few weeks before and twas a shock! There was a banner on the Hill saying Elvis is dead but the Dubs live on. The last time Dublin as All Ireland Champions reached the following years final was 1984, the Centenery year of the GAA. Heffo was manager. Retaining the All Ireland in 2016 is not a given by any means even if Dublin look set fair to do so. To the question above, my fear for 2016 is that we won't really know until the AI QF or SF where Dublin are, especially in relation to the loss of Jack and Rory. And if and when that day comes and we haven't been tested properly, it may be too late. Thats why I'm looking forward to the league final, Kerry will ask questions of them that no one else has the capability of doing at the moment. Agree Philly is playing some serious football, seems to have taken it to a higher level. He's s better footballer than I ever gave him credit for. Although Mannion looks sharp I will reserve judgement on O'Gara until I see him in action. He's been out a long time, and it takes a while to get back to the required level. However if fit and ready he gives us huge options, another string to the bow. To the question are they the best Dublin team ever? I think they will prove to be, but another All Ireland will confirm it. Tyrone won 3 from 6 in the noughties, and they are regarded as one of the great teams. This Dublin team are on 3 from 5, so they are already ahead of that team in that respect. I acknowledge that my childhood heroes were in 6 finals in a row winning 3, but I hope and believe the current team will surpass them. It's a great era to be a Dublin supporter. Lastly, retaining an All Ireland is extremely difficult, as the stats show, if we get to the final we'll win it, the banana skin is probably the semi, most likely against your lads.
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Post by skybluezone on Apr 14, 2016 8:55:23 GMT
I don't think Dublin have got McCaffrey covered, maybe less do O'Carroll. We can't tell right now because no team can really put it to them even though Cork and Monaghan only lost by a point. Hopefully we can take them to the Brollyism moment and "look them in the eye". We need to get there to break this sequence. Totally agree that Dublin are FAR more than speed, power, fitness and Cluxton's kickouts. They have some of the best players in the land in all lines of their team and their canister count reflects that. I agree with you regarding trophies won – no doubt their recent collection makes them the best team of the generation. As regards “FAR more than speed, power, fitness and Cluxton's kickouts” I don’t agree. They have NO more than that. if they have anything else in their locker we haven’t seen it. When for example has the main tactic been Cluxton lofting a kick out down the centre, Bastick taking it out of the clouds, turning and splitting the opposition with 45 metre passes. I have never seen it. Actually in recent league games when it was put up to them, particularly in the Cork game, their response was to up the work rate. They didn't know of any other way to react. In years to come that limitation will be discussed. Kerry are in the privileged position of being in the here and now to deal with it. Take a look at Philly's pass to Bernard last Sunday for the goal, and he's supposed to be "only" a corner back!
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Post by keane on Apr 14, 2016 9:06:13 GMT
I would say one of Dublin's most frequent methods of scoring over the last three or four years has been Cluxton lofting a ball out the middle, Paul Flynn taking it out of the clouds, turning and splitting the opposition with 45 metre passes.
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Post by keane on Apr 14, 2016 9:07:28 GMT
I take your point. Maybe one his super powers is that he can always project himself in-game as if he's kicking a ball on his own down at some local club pitch. I've never seen under real heat. Yeah he's one of these zen mode guys that always seems to have time alright. One of my favourite examples of that sort of player was Cork's Paddy Kelly at his best. Brilliant to watch, always seemed to have the pitch to himself when he had hands on the ball.
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 14, 2016 9:14:07 GMT
Could any of the Dublin lads on here shed any light on as to why Connolly wasn't involved last Sunday. Gavin said he wasn't injured but didn't say he was being rested either.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Apr 14, 2016 9:30:36 GMT
I can't believe that people are still peddling the 'we have more natural footballers' line. Especially in relation to Dublin. I think most Dublin players are very comfortable on the ball.
If anything their football married to their superior alethicism makes them a great team. Philly McMahon is a great corner backnand a footballing one at that. I would even venture to say Dublin at the minute have a disticnt advantage over us due to the pace throughout the team.
Also these people that say let's gonout and play our own game are off their heads. You have to take account of the opposition.
If we went out to play Dublin 15 v 15 we would be well beaten
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Post by kot on Apr 14, 2016 10:17:26 GMT
Of course skybluezone my opinion is open to interpretation but when I mean "better natural footballers" I'm saying that in my opinion they are the best team in the country at executing the basic skills of the game such as kick passing tackling etc... but I'm not taking anything away from Dublin of course they are by a distance the most athletic team in the country,have tremendous physical condition and they hugely benefit from this when it comes to Cluxtons kick outs as it allows them to get on with the game immediately so that the opposition hasn't time to reset their formation for the forthcoming attack. Come on now --- at this stage we can't be disrespecting Dublin like that. In 2011 and 2015 they were better on the day and in 2013 they were 'simply' better. It is ridiculous to say that Dublin are anything but a top footballing side. Dublin would still be very good if a few of them spent a few weeks on the beer. I would agree with 2013 & 2015. 2013 those first half goals kept us in the race until Dublin got those late ones of their own. 2015 the 3 point gap flattered us. But without opening up old wounds again, 2011??? Are you serious?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 10:23:06 GMT
I agree with that wing back. The Brogans are class players. Alan retired of course probably could have played another two years if he wanted to. Connolly is class. Cluxton one of the best keepers ever. James McCarthy Philly McMahon Paul Flynn the list goes on. All natural footballers. This Dublin team could well go on and win 3 or 4 more All Irelands. Looks like they have decent U21 and Minor teams again this year so if they keep bringing young lads in to replace the older lads I don't see them going anywhere in the near future.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 14, 2016 11:22:08 GMT
In the games v Dublin in 2011, 2013 and 2015 Dublin got more points than Kerry. Both sides got the same number of goals. Donegal got more points that Kerry in 2012 and they got a goal apiece.
In 2014 Donegal got more points than Kerry in the final but those two goals brought home the cup.
In 2014 Kerry and mayo got 1.16 each in the drawn game and Kerry got three points more than mayo did in the replay..each got three goals. ....and we got two penos that day!
On the basis that Dublin, mayo, Kerry and Donegal have been the big four over the past five years, I think it shows that Kerry need to be scoring more goals than their opponents to win big games at the moment.
Or to put it another way...Dublin just need to stop Kerry from scoring goals. They nearly had a collective nervous breakdown when donaghy was brought on last year... He should have had a peno...and another ball broke off him to killian who lost his footing.
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