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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 3, 2016 8:28:45 GMT
I actually don't mind Spillane, bit of a caricature, certainly had his ignoramous moments, annoying at times but for a while there his debates/spats with Brolly were gold. The stuff he went on about re-Tyrone & Armagh didn't put me up or down. He was never pseudo intellectual or trying to tell you that he had your number and knew everything. He had a point of view that he stuck to and though he was wrong (any time Kerry got beaten!) I admire his honesty about it, and his humour in dealing with the responses he inevitably drew.
Brolly is more clever and offered a witty and erudite alternative, which was attractive. But it became clear from long ago that he was completely biased towards Ulster teams, and then furthermore that he just went with the dominant team as if they were somehow the inevitable conclusion of all that mattered about the game and that he of course had known all along (it was 'so obvious').
Then his pieces started to become more personal & bitter. Whilst I could see his points about wanting the best for the game, his head turned so many times that, in the words of A Man For All Seasons, he eventually didn't know which way he was facing. The hypocrisy of having lauded Tyrone to the high heavens for years and then a few years later, when they were no longer winning much, deriding them as the Dark Lords of all that's wrong in the game, all of this clearly because it suits some sort of agenda he has going at the time.
I used to admire his passion about things but the inconsistency and latterly the more personal tirades against players, and coaches has become intolerable. O'Rourke I always liked. There is however lately some inconsistencies and to be honest, laziness in his pieces. He is very much in danger of becoming irrelevant, out of date, out of connection with the modern games. We lack to a large extent great writers and commentators to compare with those of the not too distant past. Off-the-Boil for me is a joke, biased, populist, laddish, self-pompous in a very immature way, and at times following quite ignorant, badly-researched agendas. The fact that a joker like Parkinson gets such billing and is held in such esteem says it all.
Don't get me started on the Bindo, an utter disgrace for a so-called 'national paper' with the odd outstanding exception (who are steadily leaving/have left). And it's sister down south? Have they finally given up the pretence of becoming more than a regional? Come on>.........
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 3, 2016 8:32:37 GMT
I agree about the replay, more or less, though I think we would always have fought back and I would have no faith in Mayo's ability to date to close out a lead (that may well change under Rochford), the signs were there clearly from previous. Concession of goals when in the ascendancy/not protecting the goal better by strategy and/or mentally for the individual players has been the key thing for them. In any event this Dublin team have almost always finished games very strongly. Which brings me to Mick's point, which was actually about the drawn game, and I can't agree at all, we were completely in control of that match, playing possession football and using sweepers, Mayo didn't get a sniff except for frees. We outscored them from play to a massive degree, were very clinical with chances. The last few minutes were an aberration brought about by a whirlwind of unexpected factors. In truth Mayo completely got out of jail that day. Dublin's indiscipline in the tackle overall was probably the main reason but a joke of a penalty, and two unjust black cards alongside at least one player carrying an injury with all subs used were the actual reasons for Mayo getting back into it. We just couldn't bolt the barn door. We were also very undercooked going into that game so I was susrprised just how well we controlled it and I wanted to see us play more games that way.The replay then is interesting, I think in response to all the hoo-haa about the niggly nature of the drawn game Gavin sent the team out to play a more attacking game. Mayo showed up, buoyed by their escape the week before. Mayo are at their best in open games of football, and just like in 2013 they got themselves into a position where they had everything in place to go on to win if they were good enough. I can't understand when Mayo got that lead and having learned from previous experience why they didn't pull men back. Maybe they feared Dublin would get scores from long-range but the 2nd half of the 2014 semi-final had showed that doing this under pressure and chasing a game is not going to happen really, not even really brilliant teams can do it. Excuses and whinging about refereeing decisions OK for the Dubs but not from other counties? Brass hypocrisy served with a salad from the Premier Tier of Dubs Park? Oh dear, did the porridge get burned this morning?
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Post by kerrygold on May 3, 2016 8:40:38 GMT
Excuses and whinging about refereeing decisions OK for the Dubs but not from other counties? Brass hypocrisy served with a salad from the Premier Tier of Dubs Park? Oh dear, did the porridge get burned this morning? No, porridge, honey, yoghurt and banana was fine this morning followed by coffee.
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Post by kot on May 3, 2016 9:24:16 GMT
I actually don't mind Spillane, bit of a caricature, certainly had his ignoramous moments, annoying at times but for a while there his debates/spats with Brolly were gold. The stuff he went on about re-Tyrone & Armagh didn't put me up or down. He was never pseudo intellectual or trying to tell you that he had your number and knew everything. He had a point of view that he stuck to and though he was wrong (any time Kerry got beaten!) I admire his honesty about it, and his humour in dealing with the responses he inevitably drew. Brolly is more clever and offered a witty and erudite alternative, which was attractive. But it became clear from long ago that he was completely biased towards Ulster teams, and then furthermore that he just went with the dominant team as if they were somehow the inevitable conclusion of all that mattered about the game and that he of course had known all along (it was 'so obvious'). Then his pieces started to become more personal & bitter. Whilst I could see his points about wanting the best for the game, his head turned so many times that, in the words of A Man For All Seasons, he eventually didn't know which way he was facing. The hypocrisy of having lauded Tyrone to the high heavens for years and then a few years later, when they were no longer winning much, deriding them as the Dark Lords of all that's wrong in the game, all of this clearly because it suits some sort of agenda he has going at the time. I used to admire his passion about things but the inconsistency and latterly the more personal tirades against players, and coaches has become intolerable. O'Rourke I always liked. There is however lately some inconsistencies and to be honest, laziness in his pieces. He is very much in danger of becoming irrelevant, out of date, out of connection with the modern games. We lack to a large extent great writers and commentators to compare with those of the not too distant past. Off-the-Boil for me is a joke, biased, populist, laddish, self-pompous in a very immature way, and at times following quite ignorant, badly-researched agendas. The fact that a joker like Parkinson gets such billing and is held in such esteem says it all. Don't get me started on the Bindo, an utter disgrace for a so-called 'national paper' with the odd outstanding exception (who are steadily leaving/have left). And it's sister down south? Have they finally given up the pretence of becoming more than a regional? Come on>......... Couldn't agree more, he spent a whole show on RTE about how Donegal's system was a masterpiece and couldn't be beaten after the semi in 2014. Then Kerry beat them and all he could do was come out and say how "sh!te" gaelic football was. Sean Cavanagh "destroyer in chief" in 2012, and fast forward a few months and you "can forget about him as far as he is a man". He dont know whether he is here nor there Joe. As for Off the Ball, whenever they have him on they just seem to waffle away basking in his own glory. However there are very few decent national level radio broadcasts (or tv for that matter) when it comes to the GAA. Is there really that derth of analyst in GAA?
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Post by Dermot on May 3, 2016 11:43:03 GMT
Methinks Mickey Harte will be quite happy with last week, all the talk re Dublin supremacy. I can see them winning Ulster, cope with a quarter against someone like Cavan, and beating Mayo by a point in a dour, low-scoring, controversial semi. Going into a final as underdogs against the high-scoring supreme Dubs or a triumphant Kerry, and sneaking away with the big prize after a huge performance.... If Carlsberg did All Irelands ....... lol
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Post by kerryexile on May 3, 2016 11:58:51 GMT
I actually don't mind Spillane, bit of a caricature, certainly had his ignoramous moments, annoying at times but for a while there his debates/spats with Brolly were gold. The stuff he went on about re-Tyrone & Armagh didn't put me up or down. He was never pseudo intellectual or trying to tell you that he had your number and knew everything. He had a point of view that he stuck to and though he was wrong (any time Kerry got beaten!) I admire his honesty about it, and his humour in dealing with the responses he inevitably drew. Brolly is more clever and offered a witty and erudite alternative, which was attractive. But it became clear from long ago that he was completely biased towards Ulster teams, and then furthermore that he just went with the dominant team as if they were somehow the inevitable conclusion of all that mattered about the game and that he of course had known all along (it was 'so obvious'). Then his pieces started to become more personal & bitter. Whilst I could see his points about wanting the best for the game, his head turned so many times that, in the words of A Man For All Seasons, he eventually didn't know which way he was facing. The hypocrisy of having lauded Tyrone to the high heavens for years and then a few years later, when they were no longer winning much, deriding them as the Dark Lords of all that's wrong in the game, all of this clearly because it suits some sort of agenda he has going at the time. I used to admire his passion about things but the inconsistency and latterly the more personal tirades against players, and coaches has become intolerable. O'Rourke I always liked. There is however lately some inconsistencies and to be honest, laziness in his pieces. He is very much in danger of becoming irrelevant, out of date, out of connection with the modern games. We lack to a large extent great writers and commentators to compare with those of the not too distant past. Off-the-Boil for me is a joke, biased, populist, laddish, self-pompous in a very immature way, and at times following quite ignorant, badly-researched agendas. The fact that a joker like Parkinson gets such billing and is held in such esteem says it all. Don't get me started on the Bindo, an utter disgrace for a so-called 'national paper' with the odd outstanding exception (who are steadily leaving/have left). And it's sister down south? Have they finally given up the pretence of becoming more than a regional? Come on>......... Couldn't agree more, he spent a whole show on RTE about how Donegal's system was a masterpiece and couldn't be beaten after the semi in 2014. Then Kerry beat them and all he could do was come out and say how "sh!te" gaelic football was. Sean Cavanagh "destroyer in chief" in 2012, and fast forward a few months and you "can forget about him as far as he is a man". He dont know whether he is here nor there Joe. As for Off the Ball, whenever they have him on they just seem to waffle away basking in his own glory. However there are very few decent national level radio broadcasts (or tv for that matter) when it comes to the GAA. Is there really that derth of analyst in GAA? I think there is that derth of analysis. The Sunday game in its present format has totally outlived its usefulness. It’s like listening to a few “ould fellas” in a pub rehashing the division 5, south, relegation playoff from 1962. It is boring, uninformative and a complete waste of time. In the lead up to a game they could play the discussion (slagging???) from a game 5 years ago and no one would know the difference. I agree also with the comment about O'Rourke - he sounds jaded and no longer has the incisive comments that made him the best of a bad lot. And some of the recently retired additions are no better. Compare Dessie Dolan’s contributions to what Ronan O’Gara brings to rugby discussions. I think Michael Lyster is the producer and decides on pretty much everything. I don’t know when last he asked an interesting question. He operates on the basis that conflict makes good journalism – remember Tomas Mulcahy winking and Lyster laughing as they set up Cyril Farrell with a controversial opinion. The same applies to the highlights programme.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 3, 2016 13:44:11 GMT
Couldn't agree more, he spent a whole show on RTE about how Donegal's system was a masterpiece and couldn't be beaten after the semi in 2014. Then Kerry beat them and all he could do was come out and say how "sh!te" gaelic football was. Sean Cavanagh "destroyer in chief" in 2012, and fast forward a few months and you "can forget about him as far as he is a man". He dont know whether he is here nor there Joe. As for Off the Ball, whenever they have him on they just seem to waffle away basking in his own glory. However there are very few decent national level radio broadcasts (or tv for that matter) when it comes to the GAA. Is there really that derth of analyst in GAA? I think there is that derth of analysis. The Sunday game in its present format has totally outlived its usefulness. It’s like listening to a few “ould fellas” in a pub rehashing the division 5, south, relegation playoff from 1962. It is boring, uninformative and a complete waste of time. In the lead up to a game they could play the discussion (slagging???) from a game 5 years ago and no one would know the difference. I agree also with the comment about O'Rourke - he sounds jaded and no longer has the incisive comments that made him the best of a bad lot. And some of the recently retired additions are no better. Compare Dessie Dolan’s contributions to what Ronan O’Gara brings to rugby discussions. I think Michael Lyster is the producer and decides on pretty much everything. I don’t know when last he asked an interesting question. He operates on the basis that conflict makes good journalism – remember Tomas Mulcahy winking and Lyster laughing as they set up Cyril Farrell with a controversial opinion. The same applies to the highlights programme. Dessie Dolan is as dull as Delvin ditchwater. He's ok with analysis but blatantly inaccurate at times. I agree with you about Lyster. I think he was a very good facilitator but he's turned into a jolly, ineffective, nod-and-wink merchant who has allowed the panelists get away with a steadily declining standard. I also think most of the hurling analysis sums up what some of us who don't genuflect at the high altar feel about some aspects of the culture of the game - arrogant, elitist, disconnected. A few short years ago I thought Donal Og OC had great ideas and would be a brilliant commentator/contributor. He then descended into the baneful condition that seems to affect alot of Irish sports' coverage in the media, especially GAA - mean-spirited, egotistical, and full of self-important waffle. In the printed media every other piece follows the same aul formula about how much so-and-so hurt over the winter and how many vertical cliffs he/she ran up, and how many walls they are prepared to run through if the god-manager/coach says so.
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Post by Mickmack on May 3, 2016 15:28:02 GMT
I would not describe colm orourkes analysis of the league final lazy or lacking in consistency
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Post by onlykerry on May 3, 2016 16:47:34 GMT
Brolly reminds me a lot of Leonard Sachs and the Sunday Night TV show called "The Good Old Days" - Sachs was the compere who specialiased in using grandiose introductions and big words that few understood and even fewer cared about to introduce the various acts and whose part piece was "Down at the Old Bull and Bush" which the audience joined in on to close out the show. Like Brolly in so many ways - pretentious, loud, unfathomable, irrelevant, part of the theatre and from the era of black and white TV......
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Post by sullyschoice on May 3, 2016 20:47:53 GMT
Brolly reminds me a lot of Leonard Sachs and the Sunday Night TV show called "The Good Old Days" - Sachs was the compere who specialiased in using grandiose introductions and big words that few understood and even fewer cared about to introduce the various acts and whose part piece was "Down at the Old Bull and Bush" which the audience joined in on to close out the show. Like Brolly in so many ways - pretentious, loud, unfathomable, irrelevant, part of the theatre and from the era of black and white TV...... I never ever thought I would witness a discussion on this forum make reference to "The Gool Old Days". You are showing your age now. I thought that programme was only on BBC1 pn a friday night. You must have escaped from two channel land for a while. I suggest anyone of more tender years should google the programme. It was sh1te.
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Post by southward on May 3, 2016 21:13:10 GMT
Brolly reminds me a lot of Leonard Sachs and the Sunday Night TV show called "The Good Old Days" - Sachs was the compere who specialiased in using grandiose introductions and big words that few understood and even fewer cared about to introduce the various acts and whose part piece was "Down at the Old Bull and Bush" which the audience joined in on to close out the show. Like Brolly in so many ways - pretentious, loud, unfathomable, irrelevant, part of the theatre and from the era of black and white TV...... I never ever thought I would witness a discussion on this forum make reference to "The Gool Old Days". You are showing your age now. I thought that programme was only on BBC1 pn a friday night. You must have escaped from two channel land for a while. I suggest anyone of more tender years should google the programme. It was sh1te. Nope, it was defo on RTE at one time. I remember seeing it as a kid; there was no choice back then, it was still one channel land at that stage so whatever was on, was on. It was sh*te alright, though my Da used to like it, God help him. Difference between Sachs and Brolly was that Sachs was having a laugh and not trying to demonise anyone.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 21:57:49 GMT
It is the personal nature of Brolly's attacks on players/managers that is particularly distasteful and quite unique. Yet brolly himself is fairly thin skinned.
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Post by fitz on May 3, 2016 22:02:45 GMT
I think there is that derth of analysis. The Sunday game in its present format has totally outlived its usefulness. It’s like listening to a few “ould fellas” in a pub rehashing the division 5, south, relegation playoff from 1962. It is boring, uninformative and a complete waste of time. In the lead up to a game they could play the discussion (slagging???) from a game 5 years ago and no one would know the difference. I agree also with the comment about O'Rourke - he sounds jaded and no longer has the incisive comments that made him the best of a bad lot. And some of the recently retired additions are no better. Compare Dessie Dolan’s contributions to what Ronan O’Gara brings to rugby discussions. I think Michael Lyster is the producer and decides on pretty much everything. I don’t know when last he asked an interesting question. He operates on the basis that conflict makes good journalism – remember Tomas Mulcahy winking and Lyster laughing as they set up Cyril Farrell with a controversial opinion. The same applies to the highlights programme. Dessie Dolan is as dull as Delvin ditchwater. He's ok with analysis but blatantly inaccurate at times. I agree with you about Lyster. I think he was a very good facilitator but he's turned into a jolly, ineffective, nod-and-wink merchant who has allowed the panelists get away with a steadily declining standard. I also think most of the hurling analysis sums up what some of us who don't genuflect at the high altar feel about some aspects of the culture of the game - arrogant, elitist, disconnected. A few short years ago I thought Donal Og OC had great ideas and would be a brilliant commentator/contributor. He then descended into the baneful condition that seems to affect alot of Irish sports' coverage in the media, especially GAA - mean-spirited, egotistical, and full of self-important waffle. In the printed media every other piece follows the same aul formula about how much so-and-so hurt over the winter and how many vertical cliffs he/she ran up, and how many walls they are prepared to run through if the god-manager/coach says so. Couldn't but see "mean-spirited" and it jumped out. Brolly's latest loathing label for Kerry.
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Post by Mickmack on May 3, 2016 22:08:45 GMT
I never ever thought I would witness a discussion on this forum make reference to "The Gool Old Days". You are showing your age now. I thought that programme was only on BBC1 pn a friday night. You must have escaped from two channel land for a while. I suggest anyone of more tender years should google the programme. It was sh1te. Nope, it was defo on RTE at one time. I remember seeing it as a kid; there was no choice back then, it was still one channel land at that stage so whatever was on, was on. It was sh*te alright, though my Da used to like it, God help him. Difference between Sachs and Brolly was that Sachs was having a laugh and not trying to demonise anyone. I grew up in One Channel land and the Good Old Days was on RTE. Not to mention The Virginian, The High Chapparel, Wanderly Wagon, Upstairs Downstairs and a show called The Late Late Show.
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Post by fitz on May 3, 2016 23:24:23 GMT
Given our results against Dublin, especially the last two performances, three in a row Championship losses, why is it nonsensical to suggest Dublin are in Kerry's heads? That and considering Tyrone's record against us in 2000s? I believe we have psychological scars to deal with playing them. I'm sure that Dublin have Kerry in their heads, differently. In their minds they "know" they will beat Kerry every time will play. It's a hugely powerful factor. That's a load of ballox fitz, ask the lads from '55,'75 or '09! The Kerry team in 09 after complete dominance of Dublin through the 2000s, even after a shocking Championship up to 1/4 final scraping past Sligo and Antrim, playing gash football, got news of the draw against Dublin on train home after Antrim. Reaction was "glee", they turned in the best performance of any team that year destroying Dublin. They had it over Dublin, they "knew" it, mentally I'd argue it was the trigger to turn " going well in training" but poor match day showing to that point into proper "game form". Do you think Dublin's players, management and even supporters mental attitude is not contributing to their dominance over us at present in any way? [/quote] Everything about squatters rights in Dubs Park is significantly contributing to the Dublin monster. However I don't agree that Dublin are in Kerry's head. [/quote] Squatters rights wasn't an issue for us when we were dominating during 2000s and saw Croke Park as the Mecca in which to play. I agree it certainly is a help to Dublin but not a deciding one. Neither you nor I can prove what's in the heads of the Kerry team so we'll disagree on this one and drive on.
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Post by offalyoutsider on May 3, 2016 23:56:01 GMT
Long term observer/admirer of this forum but only just registered, mainly because I am away travelling and missing the day to day GAA talk. As you can probably guess from my username I'm not a Kerry man but a long suffering Offaly supporter. Big admirer of the kingdom though (something I got a lot of stick about from friends). My admiration is mainly due to the football philosophy and icons Kerry have produced over the years. That and the fact that every Kerry footballer Iv encountered over the years has been a gentlemen. Anyway I just said I'd introduce myself before starting to make comments on football matters.
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Post by southward on May 4, 2016 7:49:09 GMT
Long term observer/admirer of this forum but only just registered, mainly because I am away travelling and missing the day to day GAA talk. As you can probably guess from my username I'm not a Kerry man but a long suffering Offaly supporter. Big admirer of the kingdom though (something I got a lot of stick about from friends). My admiration is mainly due to the football philosophy and icons Kerry have produced over the years. That and the fact that every Kerry footballer Iv encountered over the years has been a gentlemen. Anyway I just said I'd introduce myself before starting to make comments on football matters. Uibh Fhaili Abu Fáilte Romhat. What's the feeling at home on the hurlers? Going through tough times lately.
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Post by offalyoutsider on May 4, 2016 12:23:13 GMT
Long term observer/admirer of this forum but only just registered, mainly because I am away travelling and missing the day to day GAA talk. As you can probably guess from my username I'm not a Kerry man but a long suffering Offaly supporter. Big admirer of the kingdom though (something I got a lot of stick about from friends). My admiration is mainly due to the football philosophy and icons Kerry have produced over the years. That and the fact that every Kerry footballer Iv encountered over the years has been a gentlemen. Anyway I just said I'd introduce myself before starting to make comments on football matters. Uibh Fhaili Abu Fáilte Romhat. What's the feeling at home on the hurlers? Going through tough times lately. I wasn't at the game as I'm in Australia since the start of year but the general consensus is that we can't get our best 15 players on the pitch. Be that due to not commiting to the set up or other issues. Like in most counties the county board are taking a hammering too but I'd be slow to lay blame on them as I am not privy to the ins and outs of the day to day problems they encounter. It also has to be said that we way over achieved in both codes for years and that we are only realising that now in last 10 years.
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Post by kerrygold on May 4, 2016 19:56:05 GMT
That's a load of ballox fitz, ask the lads from '55,'75 or '09! The Kerry team in 09 after complete dominance of Dublin through the 2000s, even after a shocking Championship up to 1/4 final scraping past Sligo and Antrim, playing gash football, got news of the draw against Dublin on train home after Antrim. Reaction was "glee", they turned in the best performance of any team that year destroying Dublin. They had it over Dublin, they "knew" it, mentally I'd argue it was the trigger to turn " going well in training" but poor match day showing to that point into proper "game form". Do you think Dublin's players, management and even supporters mental attitude is not contributing to their dominance over us at present in any way? Everything about squatters rights in Dubs Park is significantly contributing to the Dublin monster. However I don't agree that Dublin are in Kerry's head. [/quote] Squatters rights wasn't an issue for us when we were dominating during 2000s and saw Croke Park as the Mecca in which to play. I agree it certainly is a help to Dublin but not a deciding one. Neither you nor I can prove what's in the heads of the Kerry team so we'll disagree on this one and drive on.[/quote] I think some of the reaction to Kerry losing a NFL final to Dublin in April has been hysterical and nonsensical. No doubt Dublin are a better team than Kerry at the moment but I don't see Kerry carrying any baggage in their heads if they meet the Dubs later in the summer.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 5, 2016 8:09:58 GMT
The Kerry team in 09 after complete dominance of Dublin through the 2000s, even after a shocking Championship up to 1/4 final scraping past Sligo and Antrim, playing gash football, got news of the draw against Dublin on train home after Antrim. Reaction was "glee", they turned in the best performance of any team that year destroying Dublin. They had it over Dublin, they "knew" it, mentally I'd argue it was the trigger to turn " going well in training" but poor match day showing to that point into proper "game form". Do you think Dublin's players, management and even supporters mental attitude is not contributing to their dominance over us at present in any way? Everything about squatters rights in Dubs Park is significantly contributing to the Dublin monster. However I don't agree that Dublin are in Kerry's head. Squatters rights wasn't an issue for us when we were dominating during 2000s and saw Croke Park as the Mecca in which to play. I agree it certainly is a help to Dublin but not a deciding one. Neither you nor I can prove what's in the heads of the Kerry team so we'll disagree on this one and drive on.[/quote] I think some of the reaction to Kerry losing a NFL final to Dublin in April has been hysterical and nonsensical. No doubt Dublin are a better team than Kerry at the moment but I don't see Kerry carrying any baggage in their heads if they meet the Dubs later in the summer. [/quote] Not about baggage at all, it's about being good enough, doing all the right things, and get a bit of luck. With Kerry the hunger is certainly never in question. Mind you, not so long ago the same thing (about mental baggage) was often said in reverse. And I've no doubt that Meath circa late 80s/start of the 90s got inside our heads. The 1991 saga was the perfect example of that. BTW KG, I had porridge myself but the weather's getting too warm for it now. Even for a squatter. And don't ever call me 'honey' again bud.
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Post by kerrygold on May 5, 2016 8:30:53 GMT
Everything about squatters rights in Dubs Park is significantly contributing to the Dublin monster. However I don't agree that Dublin are in Kerry's head. Squatters rights wasn't an issue for us when we were dominating during 2000s and saw Croke Park as the Mecca in which to play. I agree it certainly is a help to Dublin but not a deciding one. Neither you nor I can prove what's in the heads of the Kerry team so we'll disagree on this one and drive on. I think some of the reaction to Kerry losing a NFL final to Dublin in April has been hysterical and nonsensical. No doubt Dublin are a better team than Kerry at the moment but I don't see Kerry carrying any baggage in their heads if they meet the Dubs later in the summer. [/quote] Not about baggage at all, it's about being good enough, doing all the right things, and get a bit of luck. With Kerry the hunger is certainly never in question. Mind you, not so long ago the same thing (about mental baggage) was often said in reverse. And I've no doubt that Meath circa late 80s/start of the 90s got inside our heads. The 1991 saga was the perfect example of that. BTW KG, I had porridge myself but the weather's getting too warm for it now. Even for a squatter. And don't ever call me 'honey' again bud. [/quote] I never called you "honey" flower!
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Post by kot on May 5, 2016 8:42:35 GMT
Everything about squatters rights in Dubs Park is significantly contributing to the Dublin monster. However I don't agree that Dublin are in Kerry's head. Squatters rights wasn't an issue for us when we were dominating during 2000s and saw Croke Park as the Mecca in which to play. I agree it certainly is a help to Dublin but not a deciding one. Neither you nor I can prove what's in the heads of the Kerry team so we'll disagree on this one and drive on. I think some of the reaction to Kerry losing a NFL final to Dublin in April has been hysterical and nonsensical. No doubt Dublin are a better team than Kerry at the moment but I don't see Kerry carrying any baggage in their heads if they meet the Dubs later in the summer. [/quote] Not about baggage at all, it's about being good enough, doing all the right things, and get a bit of luck. With Kerry the hunger is certainly never in question. Mind you, not so long ago the same thing (about mental baggage) was often said in reverse. And I've no doubt that Meath circa late 80s/start of the 90s got inside our heads. The 1991 saga was the perfect example of that. BTW KG, I had porridge myself but the weather's getting too warm for it now. Even for a squatter. And don't ever call me 'honey' again bud. [/quote] Settle down now lads. To be honest this time its nothing to do with being in the heads. Its just that Dublin are simply better. Much like people thought Cork had a mental issue with Kerry in Croke Park in the noughties, Kerry were simply better. I would say that Mickey Harte definitely got into his opposite numbers heads in the same period and outmaneuvered them, the Kerry managers bafflement on what to do transmitted itself to the players. I thoroughly believe that Kerry had the players to beat Tyrone in particular in '05 & '08 but Harte made the right calls and Pat / Jack didn't.
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Post by Jigz84 on May 5, 2016 12:51:13 GMT
The Kerry team in 09 after complete dominance of Dublin through the 2000s, even after a shocking Championship up to 1/4 final scraping past Sligo and Antrim, playing gash football, got news of the draw against Dublin on train home after Antrim. Reaction was "glee", they turned in the best performance of any team that year destroying Dublin. They had it over Dublin, they "knew" it, mentally I'd argue it was the trigger to turn " going well in training" but poor match day showing to that point into proper "game form". Do you think Dublin's players, management and even supporters mental attitude is not contributing to their dominance over us at present in any way? Everything about squatters rights in Dubs Park is significantly contributing to the Dublin monster. However I don't agree that Dublin are in Kerry's head. Squatters rights wasn't an issue for us when we were dominating during 2000s and saw Croke Park as the Mecca in which to play. I agree it certainly is a help to Dublin but not a deciding one. Neither you nor I can prove what's in the heads of the Kerry team so we'll disagree on this one and drive on.[/quote] I think some of the reaction to Kerry losing a NFL final to Dublin in April has been hysterical and nonsensical. No doubt Dublin are a better team than Kerry at the moment but I don't see Kerry carrying any baggage in their heads if they meet the Dubs later in the summer. [/quote] Even if that might be the case for the players, you'd be hard pressed to say it's not the case for the boys on the line.
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Post by Mickmack on May 5, 2016 20:52:46 GMT
Everything about squatters rights in Dubs Park is significantly contributing to the Dublin monster. However I don't agree that Dublin are in Kerry's head. Squatters rights wasn't an issue for us when we were dominating during 2000s and saw Croke Park as the Mecca in which to play. I agree it certainly is a help to Dublin but not a deciding one. Neither you nor I can prove what's in the heads of the Kerry team so we'll disagree on this one and drive on. I think some of the reaction to Kerry losing a NFL final to Dublin in April has been hysterical and nonsensical. No doubt Dublin are a better team than Kerry at the moment but I don't see Kerry carrying any baggage in their heads if they meet the Dubs later in the summer. [/quote] Not about baggage at all, it's about being good enough, doing all the right things, and get a bit of luck. With Kerry the hunger is certainly never in question. Mind you, not so long ago the same thing (about mental baggage) was often said in reverse. And I've no doubt that Meath circa late 80s/start of the 90s got inside our heads. The 1991 saga was the perfect example of that. BTW KG, I had porridge myself but the weather's getting too warm for it now. Even for a squatter. And don't ever call me 'honey' again bud. [/quote] Colm ORourke used to always say that the reason that Kerry won so much is that Kerry had more of the best players than other teams. Dublin are in that situation now. Winning brings confidence. Losins saps confidence. Nothing earth shattering in it really. I think that 5-in-a row by Dublin is a realistic proposition now. The two in a row is virtually in the bag. Kerry will come again but we may have to wait a few years for the 2014 minors to fill out. 2020 could be our year. A 5-in-a-row for Dublin would be a reasonable return for the investment by the GAA in the capital over the past 15 years.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 5, 2016 21:34:40 GMT
Squatters rights wasn't an issue for us when we were dominating during 2000s and saw Croke Park as the Mecca in which to play. I agree it certainly is a help to Dublin but not a deciding one. Neither you nor I can prove what's in the heads of the Kerry team so we'll disagree on this one and drive on. I think some of the reaction to Kerry losing a NFL final to Dublin in April has been hysterical and nonsensical. No doubt Dublin are a better team than Kerry at the moment but I don't see Kerry carrying any baggage in their heads if they meet the Dubs later in the summer. Not about baggage at all, it's about being good enough, doing all the right things, and get a bit of luck. With Kerry the hunger is certainly never in question. Mind you, not so long ago the same thing (about mental baggage) was often said in reverse. And I've no doubt that Meath circa late 80s/start of the 90s got inside our heads. The 1991 saga was the perfect example of that. BTW KG, I had porridge myself but the weather's getting too warm for it now. Even for a squatter. And don't ever call me 'honey' again bud. [/quote] Colm ORourke used to always say that the reason that Kerry won so much is that Kerry had more of the best players than other teams. Dublin are in that situation now. Winning brings confidence. Losins saps confidence. Nothing earth shattering in it really. I think that 5-in-a row by Dublin is a realistic proposition now. The two in a row is virtually in the bag. Kerry will come again but we may have to wait a few years for the 2014 minors to fill out. 2020 could be our year. A 5-in-a-row for Dublin would be a reasonable return for the investment by the GAA in the capital over the past 15 years. [/quote] I'll be disappointed if we don't at least do 6. 6 back-to-backs that is. And 10 Nat leagues. 2 or 3 years ago you said that in 2016 Kerry would be trying to stop Dublin doing the 4-in-a-row. 3 was a given. I said, "All I want to see is the back-to-back. That's nearly impossible." We all know what happened next. So your tactics haven't moved on since then. Mind you, they worked back then........... Just not on me
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 5, 2016 21:40:32 GMT
I would not describe colm orourkes analysis of the league final lazy or lacking in consistency For example, have you ever heard/read him discuss or make much if any reference to modern tactics and developments in the game? I think he's a bit of a bluffer when it comes to that side of things, so fair enough he steers clear of it. But it leaves his pieces looking very light and shallow to be honest. Little or no insight that isn't obvious to everyone at this stage. Very much based on the old days. Pretty much like most of my posts!
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Post by Mickmack on May 5, 2016 21:48:21 GMT
Would you not agree though that nothing less than 5-in-a-row by Dublin would be a poor return on the GAA investment in Dublin?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 5, 2016 22:18:14 GMT
Would you not agree though that nothing less than 5-in-a-row by Dublin would be a poor return on the GAA investment in Dublin? You're right it would. That's why I said it should be more than that. In truth they should not be losing for the next 10 years after all the investment. Anything less than that and the investment should be reduced alot. Or else just get loads and loads of lads out playing, much more than ever before. And revive hurling. Oh wait....
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Post by kerrygold on May 5, 2016 22:20:34 GMT
I would not describe colm orourkes analysis of the league final lazy or lacking in consistency For example, have you ever heard/read him discuss or make much if any reference to modern tactics and developments in the game? I think he's a bit of a bluffer when it comes to that side of things, so fair enough he steers clear of it. But it leaves his pieces looking very light and shallow to be honest. Little or no insight that isn't obvious to everyone at this stage. Very much based on the old days. Pretty much like most of my posts! I was very surprised to see Colm O'Rourke, Tomas O Se and Dara O Cinneide all tipping Kerry to beat Dublin in the recent NFL final leading up to the game.
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Post by Mickmack on May 5, 2016 22:28:06 GMT
Its hard for Dublin hurling when their best young players are dual players. Con OCallaghan is a class hurler for Cuala but i doubt if he will even play hurling for Dublin. Gavin is bringing him in already. Same with Cormac Costello. I cant see Ciaran Kilkenny ever playing hurling for Dublin now. Cody would love to see those three coming through for the cats
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