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Post by fitz on Apr 30, 2016 9:08:01 GMT
The complete destruction of Dublin in 2009 by a Kerry team that was written off by everyone should have messed with their heads so completely that we could have assumed dominance over them for years to come. That didn't happen. The following year they came to Killarney and beat us at home for the first time in ages (it was only the League!). We haven't beaten them in the Championship since. Whatever they got after '09, we badly need a dose of it now! That change came from that clustercuss we made of the 11 final, and how they hung in when it looked over and turned it round for that breakthrough victory. Their belief grew from that day.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 1, 2016 10:57:41 GMT
It might be no harm to have a look back at the Mayo -Dublin drawn game from 2015 Mayo conceeded Cluxtons kickouts to Dublin and didnt bother running around trying to get the ball back till Dublin brought it to the half way line at which point a red and green line met them . Dublin looked flummoxed then. Mayos lack of scoring forwards ultimately undid them. Too much energy was expended by Kerry forwards in chasing shadows on the Dublin restart all to no avail. Great points Mick. Mayo had Dublin by the throat, sword drawn, in the replay, somebody roared "Mercy", and they stuck the sword into themselves instead. Huge credit of course to Dublin's will and belief that was key as they turned it around. Our forwards were doing Jack of all Trades stuff for the kickouts, and not achieving anything. Yet we then lost almost every breaking ball in the middle as we didn't in most cases have matching numbers to compete with players Dublin committed. You're totally right, we need to completely re-assess how we're approaching playing Dublin formation and strategy wise. I'm most worried how similar last Sunday was to the AI, inferring that management gambled on "bad day last September" strategy. Let's try again, it will be different...mmm I agree about the replay, more or less, though I think we would always have fought back and I would have no faith in Mayo's ability to date to close out a lead (that may well change under Rochford), the signs were there clearly from previous. Concession of goals when in the ascendancy/not protecting the goal better by strategy and/or mentally for the individual players has been the key thing for them. In any event this Dublin team have almost always finished games very strongly. Which brings me to Mick's point, which was actually about the drawn game, and I can't agree at all, we were completely in control of that match, playing possession football and using sweepers, Mayo didn't get a sniff except for frees. We outscored them from play to a massive degree, were very clinical with chances. The last few minutes were an aberration brought about by a whirlwind of unexpected factors. In truth Mayo completely got out of jail that day. Dublin's indiscipline in the tackle overall was probably the main reason but a joke of a penalty, and two unjust black cards alongside at least one player carrying an injury with all subs used were the actual reasons for Mayo getting back into it. We just couldn't bolt the barn door. We were also very undercooked going into that game so I was susrprised just how well we controlled it and I wanted to see us play more games that way. The replay then is interesting, I think in response to all the hoo-haa about the niggly nature of the drawn game Gavin sent the team out to play a more attacking game. Mayo showed up, buoyed by their escape the week before. Mayo are at their best in open games of football, and just like in 2013 they got themselves into a position where they had everything in place to go on to win if they were good enough. I can't understand when Mayo got that lead and having learned from previous experience why they didn't pull men back. Maybe they feared Dublin would get scores from long-range but the 2nd half of the 2014 semi-final had showed that doing this under pressure and chasing a game is not going to happen really, not even really brilliant teams can do it.
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Post by Mickmack on May 1, 2016 20:46:51 GMT
Colm O'Rourke: It's not Kerry's lack of effort, it's a lack of ability
The reality check came on Monday morning. 'Well you got that one wrong.' The only word missing was 'badly'. I wrote last week that I expected Kerry to put up a huge fight and that they would probably win the game. Many of the Kerry people I met in Croke Park before the match were of the same opinion and they turned out in big numbers to support their team. They went home fairly deflated. Not just because they lost, but because of the realisation that they were not good enough. There seems little chance of bridging the gap either. If Kerry come back to Croke Park in August or September to face Dublin they will be rank outsiders. The late deluge of scores may have flattered Dublin slightly, but they were in control from early in the match. The pattern was very similar to the All-Ireland final. Kerry hung on until Aidan O'Mahony's sending off, but then there was no way back. It's hard enough to play Dublin with 15, but with 14 the gaps appeared and no other team has Dublin's pace and mobility to hold possession patiently and then strike.
O'Mahony has shown alarming indiscipline in big games. Sent off in last year's final, he let down himself mainly, but also his team-mates, through rank stupidity. Kerry needed a hard edge in fighting for possession and tight marking; again I thought that would be forthcoming. It probably was too, but afterwards the thought struck me that the criticism I levelled at Kerry after the All-Ireland that they did not get stuck in or fight hard enough may have been misplaced. It seems now that they are just not up to it. Hard work and all-out effort cannot bridge the gap. The genie is out of the bottle since Kerry let them off the hook in 2011 and Dublin continue to get better while Kerry have gone the other way. The moral of the story is to keep your foot on an opponent's throat all the time or you may live to regret it. It has not taken long for Kerry to feel the cold chill from the new Dublin. There is no mercy now. Kerry mauled Dublin too often in the past, now the compliment is being returned with interest.
The main difference last Sunday was in the kick-outs. Stephen Cluxton's kicks almost always found a colleague. In contrast, Kerry lost most of Brendan Kealy's kick-outs. So on the restarts alone, Dublin secured about 35 of the 45. That is a lot of possession. Now Kealy cannot be blamed for all Kerry's ills. A short kick-out to a colleague takes at least half a dozen men moving in various directions to free up a space to put the ball into. Kealy had fewer men moving than Cluxton and is not nearly as accurate in his kicking either. It spelt trouble. Cluxton on the other hand has a great strategy because there seems to be none. Players keep making runs, space appears and then he just bangs it there. Or if the inside forwards give a corner-back a little room for a few seconds they are caught, the ball is on the move and sometimes half the backline with it. This time it was Jonny Cooper's turn to move up to kick a point. The lesson for all other teams is that it is hard enough to beat Dublin, but giving them most of the kick-outs makes the job almost impossible. Some teams have put a lot of pressure on Cluxton, like Mayo in the drawn encounter last year, but when players get tired and slow down mentally the Dubs take an easy kick-out and there is often an easy score at the other end within seconds.
Dublin are turning into an amazing side. Nobody is unbeatable and nothing lasts forever, but this is a supremely talented outfit individually and collectively who will not be brought down by big egos. On Sunday, Diarmuid Connolly and Philly McMahon were substituted. McMahon did not seem happy, but nobody on the Dublin management seemed to care. The team is all that counts. And if anyone thought that Bernard Brogan had run his course they better think again: he fairly roasted Marc Ó Sé. One darting run between several Kerry defenders in the second half finished with a point off his left foot. He looks as dangerous as ever. Kerry discovered a load of new problems on Sunday. The word was that O'Mahony and Ó Sé were flying, that Gooch was back to his best and that Kieran Donaghy would wreak havoc. None of it materialised, even if the Gooch did look good with the right supply. When Donaghy went to full-forward, the balls kicked in were like you would see in a Junior B game. Hanging in the air for an age and handing the advantage to the back. Even at that he seemed blatantly fouled near the end but got no penalty. The same happened in last year's final so Donaghy will be getting a little paranoid about referees.
The other problem for Kerry is that their fast players are not fast by Dublin's standards and they don't have the same physique either. On the day of revolution it seemed all the heavy artillery was in the Dubs' camp. Plenty for Eamonn Fitzmaurice to ponder while Jim Gavin will wonder where he can get further improvement. The only team playing at the weekend who could cause Dublin trouble in the way they set up is Tyrone. They have a very organised defensive structure with two sweepers in front of their full-backs, but they have the ability to move forward at great pace. Tiernan McCann is often the leader of the counter-attack and after his antics last year it was good to see him being the outstanding player on the field. Tyrone got on with the game, even if the referee did buy a Peter Harte simulation at one stage.
Tyrone are a different animal this year. They certainly got the score of the day, a brilliant pass from Mattie Donnelly to Ronan O'Neill, who buried the ball in the net. It showed vision, a fantastic foot-pass and ruthless finishing. Tyrone have great potential and are getting better. Cavan are on an upward path too, even if they are a bit behind Tyrone. They don't have enough good men yet in terms of starting team and subs but they are not far off. They won't be too disappointed either; the league has been good to them and being in the top division next year should see further improvement. They have maybe two years to make the breakthrough in Ulster.
The teams who got most joy from the weekend were Louth and Clare, and I am sure the celebrations were greater in those counties than in either Dublin or Tyrone. For a while it looked as if the Dubs were drawing lots on the pitch after the game to see who would go up for the cup. In the end Captain Cluxton did the needful. The cup was probably put away quietly on Sunday evening, a good day's work and time to move on. It was great to see class players like Jim McEneaney of Louth and Gary Brennan of Clare get a chance to play a final in Croke Park. Surely these and other counties have to realise that the way forward for them is a championship where they could hope to play regularly in Croke Park in the summer. It is the way to improve by progressing through the grades, as the league allows.
Anyway, it was a very enjoyable weekend of football with the best entertainment on Saturday. And the Laochra show was brilliant too. The sound was not great high up in the Hogan Stand but the costumes, music and dancing were superb. The quality was best demonstrated by the numbers who stayed right to the end. Well done to the organisers. This and other 1916 ceremonies have added greatly to a deeper respect for our flag and national anthem. That has been the real value of the commemorations.
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Post by Mickmack on May 1, 2016 20:53:10 GMT
Joe Brolly: Kerry have become a bitter, mean-spirited team under Fitzmaurice
Watching the Laochra celebrations in Croke Park last Sunday reminded me of the episode of I'm Alan Partridge where Partridge meets two RTE executives to discuss a series they want to make on modern Ireland. Partridge nods and says: "You know, I think the Irish are going through a major image change. I mean, the old image of Leprechauns, shamrocks, horses running through council estates, toothless simpletons, people with eyebrows on their cheeks, badly tarmacked drives in this country, men in platform shoes being arrested for bombings, lots of rocks, and Guinness. I think people in England are saying yes, dere's more to Oireland dan dis." Later, the topic turns to U2 and Partridge says: "I love that song Bloody Sunday. Really encapsulates the frustrations of a Sunday. You get up, you've got to read all the papers, all the kids running around, you've got to mow the lawn and wash the car . . . and you think to yourself, 'Sunday, bloody Sunday'."
With Laochra, the GAA went for a mix of Braveheart and The Quiet Man. Croke Park was full of toothless simpletons with whiskers on their faces wearing dresses, scowling and waving swords. We also had a cailín with long red hair singing. To cap it all, there was Bono, as Irish as a Luxembourg tax haven. A fortnight ago, our most celebrated rock singer appeared before the US senate and made a novel suggestion about how to deal with ISIL. To incredulous laughter, he said using comedians like Amy Schumer and Sacha Baron Cohen to lampoon ISIL would work far better than airstrikes. "Don't laugh" he said, "I think comedy should be deployed. I'm actually serious. If you laugh at them, when they're goose-stepping down the street, it takes away their power. So, I'm quite seriously suggesting that the Senate send in Amy Schumer and Chris Rock and Sacha Baron Cohen, thank you." Imagine Ali G appearing just as ISIL fighters in balaclavas are about to behead three US civilians and saying "Is it because dey is white?"
The most disappointing features of the Croke Park parody were the fact that the King of the Leprechauns didn't make an appearance and grant everyone in the audience three wishes, and that Alan Partridge wasn't asked to narrate it. Earlier in the day, Tyrone confirmed the feeling that they might just be the second best team in the country. I was listening on the radio, the only bearable way to watch a Tyrone game. With 10 minutes to go and Cavan six points down, Tommy Carr, who could give Bono a run for his money, said, "This game could go either way." With five minutes to go, he said, "I'm starting to get the feeling Cavan need a goal." After the final whistle, he said, "In fairness, Cavan were never really in this game."
I watched the game later that night. It confirmed my view that Tyrone are close to an All-Ireland. They are very powerful, very quick, and very mean. They also have high quality skills and make very few mistakes. Most importantly, they have a chemistry that was missing for several years, until their run through the qualifiers last summer. Their system, with Colm Cavanagh as the gatekeeper, makes it virtually impossible to score a goal against them. As Peter Donnelly's coaching has taken hold, they have finally found a good defence/attack balance.
I say they are close to an All-Ireland because only one team can win that. In the big game, Kerry, a bitter, mean-spirited team under Eamonn Fitzmaurice, threw everything they had at the All Blues. It was a must win game for them. This current Dublin team has banished the old Kerry condescension. The days when the league was something to let other teams win before Kerry came up in September and put manners on the rest are a relic of the pre-Gavin era. Kerry fought for this as though their lives depended on it, which in a way they did. Aidan O'Mahony was as thuggish as ever. Shane Enright the same. A couple of Dubs were very lucky not to have been seriously injured. As is customary under Fitzmaurice, Kerry dragged and pulled and fouled and blocked up the central column. The All Blues weren't in the slightest bit fazed. They just kept blitzing them at high speed from all angles, until Kerry's mean spirit was broken.
Afterwards, Fitzmaurice whinged to the press corps that, "Kieran Donaghy was basically raped and pillaged and the ref did nothing." Which was almost as funny as Bono's contributions at the US senate. In the 2014 final, Kerry put a saddle on Michael Murphy and rode him round Croke Park. The difference was that Donegal, and Michael, sucked it up.
Afterwards, Jim McGuinness never even mentioned it, even though the raping and pillaging of Murphy (to borrow Fitzmaurice's delicate phrase) was what won Kerry the game. "Kieran can't buy a free," Fitzmaurice said, as the press corps tried to keep a straight face. Their minds were no doubt wandering back to the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick a few years ago where Kieran bought a whole batch of frees at knockdown prices against Mayo in the All-Ireland semi-final replay. No Eamonn, it won't wash. Not that it's relevant, but you were beaten by 11 points. And if Dean Rock had gone for goal from the penalty it would have been 13. On the face of it, it might look as though it was neck and neck coming into the final quarter. That is a misinterpretation of reality. By the hour mark in Kerry-Dublin matches these days, Kerry have cracked and Dublin are ready to smash them up. So, in the final ten minutes, Dublin scored 2-3 to Kerry's 0-0. It has become a familiar pattern in big games between the two.
There are two things to think of: Kerry's blanket defence works superbly against almost everyone else but only partially against the Dubs. The blanket makes it very difficult for the opposition to score, but it's real purpose is to mentally drain the opponent and cause them to lose heart, which will only happen if you can score decisively on the counter-attack. A classic example is Donegal v the Dubs in the 2014 semi-final. You endure, then puncture the opponent on the counter. Against Dublin these days, Kerry are simply enduring. They are, if you like, keeping the score down.
Because Dublin defend brilliantly man to man, and like Kilkenny hurlers they can all win their own battles, they only need one sweeper and in Cian O'Sullivan they not only have the game's best reader, but probably also its best defender. Of the Kerry forwards, only Donaghy poses a danger to them, so they put a saddle on him. The other big name Kerry forwards aren't big names to this Dublin crew.
They simply swallow up Colm Who and Darran Who and I can't remember the names of the other ones type of thing. All of which means the Dubs can constantly commit numbers to the attack. Unlike, say, Donegal they are not robbing their attack to shore up their defence, which allows them to maintain a brilliant defence/attack balance. Their astonishing athleticism all over the field allows them to attack, attack, attack. Before the sending off, Dublin had already had over 50 per cent more attacks than Kerry. Kerry, like all their opponents, were shovelling out the tide with a pitchfork. Donegal's ambush in 2014 has made the Dubs unbeatable. Like The Borg, they have now assimilated all known forms of football. It was a Bloody Sunday for Kerry and it won't get any better.
As for the GAA, if we keep going the way we are, we will soon be as Oirish as Bono.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 1, 2016 22:12:10 GMT
Please don't post Brolly.
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Post by sullyschoice on May 1, 2016 22:32:29 GMT
Brolly is just a complete gobsh1te at this stage. I would not give credence to anything he says anymore. He deserves no respect
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Post by southward on May 1, 2016 22:42:23 GMT
Wow, even by his standards, that's low. Talk about kicking a team when they're down.
I posted on here once in praise of the man for donating a kidney. I take it back - he's nothing but a poisonous, hateful little c*nt.
Gotta love the irony all the same - Brolly calling someone else mean-spirited and bitter.
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Post by dano on May 1, 2016 23:10:27 GMT
All this is great for Kerry. He might have to eat all those words in September.His obvious glee at the situation would be annoying if we didn't know the man. Up The Kingdom and roll on the championship.
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Post by Kingdomson on May 1, 2016 23:15:49 GMT
I agree with Annascaultilidie. Trust me, I'm not one for censorship and Mickmack you're a fantastic poster but please take down the Brolly article. It's giving Brolly what he wants which is attention and he doesn't deserve it anymore on the Kerry GAA board. He's an attention seeker and a Kerry hater and we all know it. Maybe it's time the mods close this thread anyway as we turn thoughts towards the summer and the Championship.
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Post by taggert on May 1, 2016 23:16:45 GMT
I enjoy reading O'Rourke. However, I disagree with his assertion that we discovered a host of new problems last Sunday. To be fair, since our late doors capitulation against Dublin in 2013, a majority on this forum have recognised the obvious deficit of youth, pace and power in contrast to our foes. Fitzmaurice knows as much.
As for Brolly, he is so bitter and twisted he could hide behind a corkscrew. He does really enjoy putting the boot in on Kerry.
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Post by wayupnorth on May 1, 2016 23:30:07 GMT
I thought I was immune to Brolly's bile but today's offering was shocking, stooping to new depths of offensiveness. As a believer in free speech I will be self-censoring. I will not be buying or reading the Sunday Independent as long as Brolly keeps writing for them.
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Post by KY50 on May 2, 2016 9:32:42 GMT
Some HS from Brolly. Would like him to define mean,can probably apply that term to most other counties except Kilkenny footballers
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Post by fg on May 2, 2016 9:41:16 GMT
Joe Brolly is an unadulterated imbecile and a fool , he is a parody of himself, someone who courts controversy to be noticed, this says a lot about him on a personal level and it's a pathetic indictment of his very existence.
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Post by Mickmack on May 2, 2016 9:52:49 GMT
I put Brolly and Pat Spillane in the same boat, self serving and cutting and neither gives a damn about how hurtful they are as long as they get publicity. However, complaints about Spillane are few in Kerry.
I dont agree with not posting up Brollys articles while Spillane gets a free pass.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 2, 2016 10:27:55 GMT
I put Brolly and Pat Spillane in the same boat, self serving and cutting and neither gives a damn about how hurtful they are as long as they get publicity. However, complaints about Spillane are few in Kerry. I dont agree with not posting up Brollys articles while Spillane gets a free pass. Fine: don't put Spillane articles up either.
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Post by southward on May 2, 2016 10:56:19 GMT
I put Brolly and Pat Spillane in the same boat, self serving and cutting and neither gives a damn about how hurtful they are as long as they get publicity. However, complaints about Spillane are few in Kerry. I dont agree with not posting up Brollys articles while Spillane gets a free pass. No fan of Pat but I think it's more clumsiness with him. Not malicious the way it is with Brolly imho. Pat just spouts mindlessly sometimes whereas Joe always knows exactly what he's saying.
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Post by Mickmack on May 2, 2016 10:59:46 GMT
I put Brolly and Pat Spillane in the same boat, self serving and cutting and neither gives a damn about how hurtful they are as long as they get publicity. However, complaints about Spillane are few in Kerry. I dont agree with not posting up Brollys articles while Spillane gets a free pass. Fine: don't put Spillane articles up either. When Spillanes embarrassing and insulting comments on TSG are roundly condemmed on here, then we can all condmn Brolly.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 2, 2016 11:37:23 GMT
Fine: don't put Spillane articles up either. When Spillanes embarrassing and insulting comments on TSG are roundly condemmed on here, then we can all condmn Brolly. I think it is fair to say we are roundly dismissive of Pat and don't put much meas on what he says.
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on May 2, 2016 12:20:27 GMT
...I will not be buying or reading the Sunday Independent as long as Brolly keeps writing for them. I wish I shared your mental fortitude, but how else are we to keep up to date with the latest photoshoots of anonymous Irish models? And life without Eoghan Harris, would it really be worth living!??
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Post by taggert on May 2, 2016 13:16:33 GMT
Dont have any issue seeing Brolly articles posted here.
Those who do not wish to read it can simply pass over it.
He is something of the angry man of late and clearl, has no love for this Kerry side ever since they annoyed him by putting the "unstoppable Donegal" to the sword in 2014.
While Brolly is more deliberate and poisonous with the pen, Spillane is an ignoramus who talks over all and sundry.
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Post by Mickmack on May 2, 2016 14:39:19 GMT
I agree with nearly all of this from Colm I have to say.
Not just because they lost, but because of the realisation that they were not good enough. There seems little chance of bridging the gap either. If Kerry come back to Croke Park in August or September to face Dublin they will be rank outsiders.
The late deluge of scores may have flattered Dublin slightly, but they were in control from early in the match. The pattern was very similar to the All-Ireland final. Kerry hung on until Aidan O'Mahony's sending off, but then there was no way back. It's hard enough to play Dublin with 15, but with 14 the gaps appeared and no other team has Dublin's pace and mobility to hold possession patiently and then strike.
O'Mahony has shown alarming indiscipline in big games. Sent off in last year's final, he let down himself mainly, but also his team-mates, through rank stupidity. Kerry needed a hard edge in fighting for possession and tight marking; again I thought that would be forthcoming. It probably was too, but afterwards the thought struck me that the criticism I levelled at Kerry after the All-Ireland that they did not get stuck in or fight hard enough may have been misplaced. It seems now that they are just not up to it. Hard work and all-out effort cannot bridge the gap.
The genie is out of the bottle since Kerry let them off the hook in 2011 and Dublin continue to get better while Kerry have gone the other way. The moral of the story is to keep your foot on an opponent's throat all the time or you may live to regret it. It has not taken long for Kerry to feel the cold chill from the new Dublin. There is no mercy now. Kerry mauled Dublin too often in the past, now the compliment is being returned with interest.
The main difference last Sunday was in the kick-outs. Stephen Cluxton's kicks almost always found a colleague. In contrast, Kerry lost most of Brendan Kealy's kick-outs. So on the restarts alone, Dublin secured about 35 of the 45. That is a lot of possession. Now Kealy cannot be blamed for all Kerry's ills. A short kick-out to a colleague takes at least half a dozen men moving in various directions to free up a space to put the ball into. Kealy had fewer men moving than Cluxton and is not nearly as accurate in his kicking either. It spelt trouble. Cluxton on the other hand has a great strategy because there seems to be none. Players keep making runs, space appears and then he just bangs it there. Or if the inside forwards give a corner-back a little room for a few seconds they are caught, the ball is on the move and sometimes half the backline with it. This time it was Jonny Cooper's turn to move up to kick a point.
The lesson for all other teams is that it is hard enough to beat Dublin, but giving them most of the kick-outs makes the job almost impossible. Some teams have put a lot of pressure on Cluxton, like Mayo in the drawn encounter last year, but when players get tired and slow down mentally the Dubs take an easy kick-out and there is often an easy score at the other end within seconds.
Dublin are turning into an amazing side. Nobody is unbeatable and nothing lasts forever, but this is a supremely talented outfit individually and collectively who will not be brought down by big egos. On Sunday, Diarmuid Connolly and Philly McMahon were substituted. McMahon did not seem happy, but nobody on the Dublin management seemed to care. The team is all that counts. And if anyone thought that Bernard Brogan had run his course they better think again: he fairly roasted Marc Ó Sé. One darting run between several Kerry defenders in the second half finished with a point off his left foot. He looks as dangerous as ever.
Kerry discovered a load of new problems on Sunday. The word was that O'Mahony and Ó Sé were flying, that Gooch was back to his best and that Kieran Donaghy would wreak havoc. None of it materialised, even if the Gooch did look good with the right supply. When Donaghy went to full-forward, the balls kicked in were like you would see in a Junior B game. Hanging in the air for an age and handing the advantage to the back. Even at that he seemed blatantly fouled near the end but got no penalty. The same happened in last year's final so Donaghy will be getting a little paranoid about referees.
The other problem for Kerry is that their fast players are not fast by Dublin's standards and they don't have the same physique either. On the day of revolution it seemed all the heavy artillery was in the Dubs' camp. Plenty for Eamonn Fitzmaurice to ponder while Jim Gavin will wonder where he can get further improvement.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 17:13:58 GMT
Brolly's article is a disgrace. Stop pretending you have posted the article out of some noble journalistic reason. You have posted to get a rise out of people so well done.
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Post by Fado on May 2, 2016 18:27:06 GMT
Maybe it's time to grab a few sticks of chalk and head for the drawing board.
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Post by veteran on May 2, 2016 19:26:10 GMT
It would be much appreciated if posters would cease supplying the sustenance Comical Joe craves.
Mickmack , I agree that Pat Spillane's comments are/were as uncouth as Comical Joe's and I vigorously condemned him here when Frank McGuigan and he were trying to surpass each other in the insults stakes.
I cannot see the point of recreating here the views of a "bitter" , "mean spirited" piece of excrescence.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on May 2, 2016 22:16:56 GMT
Don't mind if people post brolly. Just read the article there and to be honest he has done decent points if you take out all the rubbish it's couched in.
On the point of Kerry being cynical and fouling continuously ID agree. Listen to terrace talk after any game and the stats on the fouls we give away is crazy. Your man Sylvester is always on about it and righlty so. Either way u see it as a fault of the management. Either they are encouraging players to foul or they can't coach them how to tackle properly.
Also I think high time has come for eamonn to do something about our constant harranging of referees. Especially by donaghy and cooper. I don't know if it's because they are treated differently at club level but the optics are desperate and I'm sure it's held against us in some cases.
Another point well made by Joe is the fact that against Dublin were nearly always lose the man on man defensive battle. Crowley is the only one who won his duel the last day.
O'Rourke as always hits the nail on the head
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Post by Mickmack on May 2, 2016 22:28:53 GMT
Brolly's article is a disgrace. Stop pretending you have posted the article out of some noble journalistic reason. You have posted to get a rise out of people so well done. I post up a lot of articles irrespective of whether i agree with them or not.
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Post by bigfoot on May 3, 2016 2:50:34 GMT
On the point of Kerry being cynical and fouling continuously ID agree. Listen to terrace talk after any game and the stats on the fouls we give away is crazy. Your man Sylvester is always on about it and righlty so. Either way u see it as a fault of the management. Either they are encouraging players to foul or they can't coach them how to tackle properly. their is a third option. Players typically foul when they are under pressure or getting beaten.
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Post by kerrygold on May 3, 2016 7:59:16 GMT
Poor Joe, it must be a terrible infliction walking around in the house all night sleepless.
Come to think of it, I've never seen an article from Pat Spillane posted up on this forum?
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Post by kerrygold on May 3, 2016 8:12:55 GMT
Great points Mick. Mayo had Dublin by the throat, sword drawn, in the replay, somebody roared "Mercy", and they stuck the sword into themselves instead. Huge credit of course to Dublin's will and belief that was key as they turned it around. Our forwards were doing Jack of all Trades stuff for the kickouts, and not achieving anything. Yet we then lost almost every breaking ball in the middle as we didn't in most cases have matching numbers to compete with players Dublin committed. You're totally right, we need to completely re-assess how we're approaching playing Dublin formation and strategy wise. I'm most worried how similar last Sunday was to the AI, inferring that management gambled on "bad day last September" strategy. Let's try again, it will be different...mmm I agree about the replay, more or less, though I think we would always have fought back and I would have no faith in Mayo's ability to date to close out a lead (that may well change under Rochford), the signs were there clearly from previous. Concession of goals when in the ascendancy/not protecting the goal better by strategy and/or mentally for the individual players has been the key thing for them. In any event this Dublin team have almost always finished games very strongly. Which brings me to Mick's point, which was actually about the drawn game, and I can't agree at all, we were completely in control of that match, playing possession football and using sweepers, Mayo didn't get a sniff except for frees. We outscored them from play to a massive degree, were very clinical with chances. The last few minutes were an aberration brought about by a whirlwind of unexpected factors. In truth Mayo completely got out of jail that day. Dublin's indiscipline in the tackle overall was probably the main reason but a joke of a penalty, and two unjust black cards alongside at least one player carrying an injury with all subs used were the actual reasons for Mayo getting back into it. We just couldn't bolt the barn door. We were also very undercooked going into that game so I was susrprised just how well we controlled it and I wanted to see us play more games that way.The replay then is interesting, I think in response to all the hoo-haa about the niggly nature of the drawn game Gavin sent the team out to play a more attacking game. Mayo showed up, buoyed by their escape the week before. Mayo are at their best in open games of football, and just like in 2013 they got themselves into a position where they had everything in place to go on to win if they were good enough. I can't understand when Mayo got that lead and having learned from previous experience why they didn't pull men back. Maybe they feared Dublin would get scores from long-range but the 2nd half of the 2014 semi-final had showed that doing this under pressure and chasing a game is not going to happen really, not even really brilliant teams can do it. Excuses and whinging about refereeing decisions OK for the Dubs but not from other counties? Brass hypocrisy served with a salad from the Premier Tier of Dubs Park?
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Post by kerrygold on May 3, 2016 8:15:50 GMT
I wouldn't be convinced at all that winning last Sunday was do or die for Kerry, or the nonsensical notion that Dublin are in Kerry's heads. Given our results against Dublin, especially the last two performances, three in a row Championship losses, why is it nonsensical to suggest Dublin are in Kerry's heads? That and considering Tyrone's record against us in 2000s? I believe we have psychological scars to deal with playing them. I'm sure that Dublin have Kerry in their heads, differently. In their minds they "know" they will beat Kerry every time will play. It's a hugely powerful factor. That's a load of ballox fitz, ask the lads from '55,'75 or '09! [/quote] The Kerry team in 09 after complete dominance of Dublin through the 2000s, even after a shocking Championship up to 1/4 final scraping past Sligo and Antrim, playing gash football, got news of the draw against Dublin on train home after Antrim. Reaction was "glee", they turned in the best performance of any team that year destroying Dublin. They had it over Dublin, they "knew" it, mentally I'd argue it was the trigger to turn " going well in training" but poor match day showing to that point into proper "game form". Do you think Dublin's players, management and even supporters mental attitude is not contributing to their dominance over us at present in any way? [/quote] Everything about squatters rights in Dubs Park is significantly contributing to the Dublin monster. However I don't agree that Dublin are in Kerry's head.
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