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Post by animal on Apr 4, 2016 11:24:08 GMT
Seamus was undoubtedly a leader of that team and the best player but Niall was captain
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 4, 2016 11:26:57 GMT
Glass got the Red Card for making contact with Clifford's nether regions, not sure was it a punch or a squeeze, but the lad went down. There was a lot of "special treatment" meted out to Clifford, mostly off the ball during the game. Immediately the umpire raised his hand and called the referee on the walkie talkie. Glass didn't really protest but that was the turning point of the game. thanks for that clarification yellowbelly
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 13:36:09 GMT
Great win for the Sem. I thought the first half was the poorest they played all year. They struggled to win good ball around the middle. Glass was having a great game but once he went off it changed the game. David Clifford was brilliant. He has always been a top class player from a young age. A great year for them. You would expect Potts Naughton O'Brien Courtney Moynihan O'Donoghue Clifford and Shaw to be on the Kerry Minor Panel.
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Post by himself on Apr 4, 2016 16:16:00 GMT
Sean O'Leary of Kilcummin was on the extended Sem panel
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 4, 2016 16:18:42 GMT
Sean O'Leary of Kilcummin was on the extended Sem panel Can you throw any light on the Conor Glass sending off himself?
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Post by jackiel on Apr 4, 2016 16:26:20 GMT
Watching the match the other day I had some sympathy for Conor Glass as probably his last GAA match with his school team has been marred by a sending off. He's heading to Oz to play in AFL after his exams. I met him at a training camp back in October, seemed a nice lad. Red mist and all that.
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 4, 2016 16:53:55 GMT
Small point but Seamus did not captain that Sem team in '92. That honour went to Niall Mangan of Kilcummin. I found it amazing that there was no Kilcummin man on the panel on Saturday. That must be a first for a Sem senior team. Talking of firsts it was the first Hogan Cup the Sem won without any boarder. To think that there was talk when the Sem stopped taking boarders, that it would be finished as a serious football team. 3 All-Ireland finals in 8 years winning one isn't bad going.
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Post by fritz on Apr 4, 2016 19:25:43 GMT
I was in line with incident in the second half but only saw David Clifford bent over. Sensed straight away once the ref went in to the umpires that Maghera were in trouble but at the time I thought it was the number 6.
Maghera played some fine football at times but persistently infringed at frees and line balls. Felt Sem were on the ropes after the second goal but got a crucial score to steady matters just before the sending off.
The last few minutes were as enjoyable as any I've experienced in Croke Park. Very proud as a Killarney ex-Sem Crokes man with a father from Glenflesk!
Young Clifford rightly taking huge plaudits but Dara Moynihan was phenomenal throughout - won breaking ball, carried it, kicked great scores. Looking through the minor thread he has only been mentioned occasionally but looked the real deal on Saturday.
Congrats to all involved.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 4, 2016 22:13:25 GMT
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Post by himself on Apr 5, 2016 6:51:16 GMT
Straight up, Kerrygold, I was following the game as closely as I could but I missed both sending off incidents. Two people whom I trust completely told me that Conor Glass caught David Clifford in the side with a knee as David was getting back to his feet; play had already moved on but the umpire of the right side of the Maghera goal saw the incident and reported it to the referee. The camera didn't catch the incident either. no question about Dan; he threw a frustrated punch off the ball and unfortunately deserved to go. A good few people, including Sem supporters, saw that one and I don't think there are any quibbles. I do think the rule that a player sent off cannot receive the cup is harsh for the modern era (a number of people have said that Bryan SSheehan accepted the Bishop Mpynihan Cup last year, one of the most iconic photographs of the year; the difference is that Sheehan was black-carded, he didn't get a red). Going by what people told me on the day (again, didn't see them - and I am generally slightly more observant than a certain Arsenal manager in such situations, so is your average tree), neither incident was vicious or of dangerous intent. People have criticised David Gough for being 'finicky' in both the Hogan Cup and national League games last weekend; it's only a subjective opinion but I completely disagree. I thought he implemented the rulebook calmly and consistently. In the penalty incident for Kerry v Cork; the uncertainty about the white line meant that the home side may have lost out - but it is the home side's responsibility to line the pitch, not the referees. No matter what, it was good to see both Conor Glass and Daniel O'Brien come onto the pitch after the game and shake hands with various opponents; great sign of character.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 5, 2016 7:27:00 GMT
himself raises an interesting point there re lining of field but it hardly excuses blind eyed umpires IMO.
Sem showed fluency towards the end like never seen in college football.
Kerry now need to look at the temperament of Ulster teams, these boys are far more street wise than our lads have to be and it shows in their physical doggedness. If we could enshrine that into our style then nobody would stand a chance against us. As it stands we are unequalled in class, i.e. purist football skills and the Sem proved it at the death last Sat. Ah sure where else would they be got?
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Post by himself on Apr 5, 2016 7:43:18 GMT
"these boys are far more street wise than our lads have to be and it shows in their physical doggedness."
In fairness, Maghera were very sporting and very skillful, they were class to watch. No 'physical doggedness'. They played pure football and some of the fluency in their attacking was a genuine joy to watch. They lost their best player and talisman to a red card at a crucial time and the Sem had that little bit more fitness in the sprint for the line, but I would take nothing away from Maghera and I would pay money to watch those lads play football again. It takes two teams to make a great game (the Sem had a lot of one-sided games along the way, great for all of us who supported them but not enthralling spectacles). Last Saturday was the kind of thrilling finale you hope for, and Maghera played a huge part in that.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 5, 2016 8:32:55 GMT
Straight up, Kerrygold, I was following the game as closely as I could but I missed both sending off incidents. Two people whom I trust completely told me that Conor Glass caught David Clifford in the side with a knee as David was getting back to his feet; play had already moved on but the umpire of the right side of the Maghera goal saw the incident and reported it to the referee. The camera didn't catch the incident either. no question about Dan; he threw a frustrated punch off the ball and unfortunately deserved to go. A good few people, including Sem supporters, saw that one and I don't think there are any quibbles. I do think the rule that a player sent off cannot receive the cup is harsh for the modern era (a number of people have said that Bryan SSheehan accepted the Bishop Mpynihan Cup last year, one of the most iconic photographs of the year; the difference is that Sheehan was black-carded, h didn't get a red). Going by what people told me on the day (again, didn't see them - and I am generally slightly more observant than a certain Arsenal manager in such situations, so is your average tree), neither incident was vicious or of dangerous intent. People have criticised David Gough for being 'finicky' in both the Hogan Cup and national League games last weekend; it's only a subjective opinion but I completely disagree. I thought he implemented the rulebook calmly and consistently. In the penalty incident for Kerry v Cork; the uncertainty about the white line meant that the home side may have lost out - but it is the home side's responsibility to line the pitch, not the referees. No matter what, it was good to see both Conor Glass and Daniel O'Brien come onto the pitch after the game and shake hands with various opponents; great sign of character. Ok, thanks himself for that. A huge call nonetheless for something he didn't see. Incidentally, David Gough won a Hogan Cup medal with St. Pats, Navan in 2001.
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Post by southward on Apr 5, 2016 8:46:55 GMT
St pats are complaining about two big decisions turning the game, the Glass red is one, what was the second? Mr & Mrs Clifford's decision to have David?
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Post by himself on Apr 5, 2016 10:14:51 GMT
I'm assuming that it was a controversial point by Paddy Quigg that was deemed wide by Hawkeye. At the time, I thought it was a point but I wasn't sure. Looking at it on television (a different viewing angle), I am satisfied that it was wide. What made it extremely confusing is that the Hawkeye simulation very clearly showed the ball going between the posts. The Hawkeye graphic is very confusing. In fact, I will ungentlemanly describe it as utterly worthless *e. If any part of the simulated 'ball' appears in the simulation to move through the 'post', then the graphic continues to show the projected virtual path of the ball, but once the projected path moves 'through' the post, the shot is actually deemed wide. In other words, the process designed to clear up confusion manages to increase it tenfold. Lucifer would be very proud of Hawkeye.
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Post by animal on Apr 5, 2016 11:39:38 GMT
Small point but Seamus did not captain that Sem team in '92. That honour went to Niall Mangan of Kilcummin. I found it amazing that there was no Kilcummin man on the panel on Saturday. That must be a first for a Sem senior team. Talking of firsts it was the first Hogan Cup the Sem won without any boarder. To think that there was talk when the Sem stopped taking boarders, that it would be finished as a serious football team. 3 All-Ireland finals in 8 years winning one isn't bad going. That is an interesting point. The '92 team had a scattering of boarders and yes I often heard it said with some validity that the lack of boarders would be a major hindrance to success.
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Post by animal on Apr 5, 2016 11:42:38 GMT
Straight up, Kerrygold, I was following the game as closely as I could but I missed both sending off incidents. Two people whom I trust completely told me that Conor Glass caught David Clifford in the side with a knee as David was getting back to his feet; play had already moved on but the umpire of the right side of the Maghera goal saw the incident and reported it to the referee. The camera didn't catch the incident either. no question about Dan; he threw a frustrated punch off the ball and unfortunately deserved to go. A good few people, including Sem supporters, saw that one and I don't think there are any quibbles. I do think the rule that a player sent off cannot receive the cup is harsh for the modern era (a number of people have said that Bryan SSheehan accepted the Bishop Mpynihan Cup last year, one of the most iconic photographs of the year; the difference is that Sheehan was black-carded, he didn't get a red). Going by what people told me on the day (again, didn't see them - and I am generally slightly more observant than a certain Arsenal manager in such situations, so is your average tree), neither incident was vicious or of dangerous intent. People have criticised David Gough for being 'finicky' in both the Hogan Cup and national League games last weekend; it's only a subjective opinion but I completely disagree. I thought he implemented the rulebook calmly and consistently. In the penalty incident for Kerry v Cork; the uncertainty about the white line meant that the home side may have lost out - but it is the home side's responsibility to line the pitch, not the referees. No matter what, it was good to see both Conor Glass and Daniel O'Brien come onto the pitch after the game and shake hands with various opponents; great sign of character. It was noticeable that a few of the Sem lads broke away from their own celebrations to go over and commiserate with the Pat's boys. As you say a great sign of character and maturity.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 6, 2016 6:59:09 GMT
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