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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 14, 2015 18:03:14 GMT
I'd leave things Tyrone to Tyrone although you'd wonder if Mickey was expecting too much of himself, given what he went through. Nobody could so it and he must be made of some stuff to do as well as he has. I found his book inspirational and what he went through even before becoming manager was remarkable; he faced rejection at lots of turns and him trying to better his community and the GAA. I do think tough that he should make amends with RTE and talk to us. I wouldn't be a man for surrendering if I was right but if this was about RTE's choice of commentator than that is 100% their decision. If anyone thinks otherwise then it would be the GAA as a whole who should have an input. All in all I'd be happy enough with our GAA commentators and unless someone genuinely believes RTE is unfair then I think they such matters are left to them. We'd all love to Micheals O'Heirs and O Muireartaighs but Marty is good and as are others. Credit where it is due, if we criticize then a word praise is no harm either.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 14, 2015 18:19:09 GMT
The main thing is that Mickey Harte's is in good health or as well as he can be given his sad loss.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 14, 2015 18:22:04 GMT
The main thing is that Mickey Harte's is in good health or as well as he can be given his sad loss. Well said.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 14, 2015 18:22:46 GMT
Group think is dangerous - need outside blood and views for reality checks. One of the greatest assets of the GAA is the mingling of fans and the honest exchange of views - all biased of course by our place of birth and never ending allegiance to our forefathers..... I'd be the last one to favour the 'closed' option or any form of hostility, but in this case a bit of restriction would certainly have advantages for the team and at the end of the day that's what it's all about. Nothing personal against those from other counties on here, but why would anyone want to be in the forum of a county other than their own, moreover as it is for supporters. Personally I think it goes against the grain of my own focus, though exchanges with other counties in person are an absolute treat when you meet the right ones and which I do with rare if understandable exception. I wonder do we sometimes feel restricted when we are aware that others are on here to such an extent? What is the situation with other counties? What do our Control people have to say, maybe they have a definitive view. I think this is a debate we certainly need to have. Bally I know what you're saying but I think that any well-used and quality forum like this is very capable of policing all users. Both through it's official moderation and through the influence of some of it's most frequent users, a sort of "local policing" if you will In my experience of other GAA dedicated county forums that's how it works and it generally seems to work well. Sometimes moderators are a bit heavy handed against 'outside' users, and in that case a few of the regulars will stand up for the outsider. Certainly where an outsider is getting out of order and generally not showing appropriate respect (every user should show this as much as possible of course but I take it as a given that 'guests' need to show that bit more, and be a bit more mindful of where they are and how they come across) if moderators don't act quickly enough there will be plenty of users who will let the upstart know where they stand and put them in their place in jig-time. I think if other county posters ever started to grow in numbers to have too much influence on a board, such as posting about their own county alot, that would be a clear case for moderation and restriction. Speaking for myself I try to get involved in a variety of discussions about Kerry and GAA in general. Naturally my knowledge about Kerry football in depth is probably rann bábóg standard so I stear clear of anything beyond current and some past Snr intercounty stuff. It's up to the main users of a board/forum to decide what they want. I post on a Dublin GAA board where there's about 7 or 8 regular outside users (that I know of, some people will always lurk in 'deep cyber' or whatever it's called!) If these people did not feel able or comfortable posting there for me it would be a big loss to some sense of balance, even if just a nod to it, and not to mention the banter and local information from those posters about their own county. I used to post on an Armagh forum and really enjoyed it but it went very quiet. There wasn't any Tyrone (or Meath for example) forum of that kind that I knew of. The Cork ones are a good read and I've posted there just a very little (again at times it's very quiet). I've heard about Boards.ie forums and maybe that's the best place for multiple county posting, I've yet to try them out. As to why I have posted quite alot here? Because Kerry have been consistently the top county, so one wants to know what people who are really into their gah from that county are saying about their teams, and about the games, and other teams. And because this is a really excellent forum. If it wasn't (I don't ever post on Hogan Stand and barely look at it anymore) I wouldn't be here. I think that the main users and the 'home' users of a forum need to stand up for their team, their county, and their forum. Kerry posters on here should be well able for the few troublemakers from outside, and indeed I think they are, if sometimes a bit too polite for their own good. Not that I'm complaining! Facebook, Twitter, etc may be where it's at, but for some well thought-out posts, articles, replies, and discussions, you still can't beat a well-run discussion forum. In the humble opinion, of one Rashers A. Tierney, Esquire, Scholar and, is mise, duine uasail.
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Post by seamo on Apr 14, 2015 20:14:23 GMT
I didn't see the thread which has kicked off this discussion about only allowing Kerry posters....but it'd be a dull place if it were just ourselves on yer!!!
Some of the best contributions here come from those not from Kerry, and such contributions allow for alot of debate. It should also be noted that there are a few "Kerry lads" here who are no angels when it comes to their posts (some would say me included!!! lol). "BetfairKing" was from Kerry...I rest my case!!!
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Post by southward on Apr 14, 2015 20:57:45 GMT
Don't think there was a thread, Seamo. Ballythefireside posted a one-liner (in jest, I assume) in response to the deleted Ricey thread. That's all. There's no issue here.
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Post by seamo on Apr 14, 2015 21:12:42 GMT
Don't think there was a thread, Seamo. Ballythefireside posted a one-liner (in jest, I assume) in response to the deleted Ricey thread. That's all. There's no issue here. ah ok, cheers southward.
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Post by veteran on Apr 14, 2015 21:22:52 GMT
This forum would be a far poorer entity if it was closed to non Kerry supporters. We need "foreign" input to moderate our sometimes narrow perspective.
I have a simple rule. I ignore the contributions of the puerile variety, native or otherwise, whereas I read with great care the efforts of people like Rashers, Donegalman etc. I find their comments well balanced. Very often they point out weaknesses in Kerry which I hadn't noticed and very often also they point out strength's in their own teams which I hadn't noticed.(apart of course when Rashers starts talking about the greatness of Denis Bastick!) There are other outside posters whom I enjoy also but it would be invidious to list them all. Come to think of it, one of our better Cork posters ,Delorean, seems to have gone missing in action. I hope all is well with him. He was a good man to cut through some Kerry nonsense. And that is what we need. Somebody to give a contrarian view point, if that is what is appropriate to the particular discussion, that it based on logic and reason. That approach fertilises the forum, preventing unanimity and, therefore, boredom.
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Post by donegalman on Apr 14, 2015 21:48:21 GMT
I will chip in with a very relevant opinion.
Last wednesday night, I went up to Derry to watch Donegal v Tyrone in the u21 final. It was a very tight game, in which Tyrone just shaded it by a point. I would like to say deservedly, but wont, just out of sour grapes! They look like they will be an enormous threat to any senior side in a couple of years time. Dooher and Canavan were both in charge. They will obviously be moving together to the senior rank and file in the very near future with this batch of players. Their kick outs, movement, strength, and direct play as well as tactics were all there in spades. The one thing that they hadnt got on us was speed or 60 full minutes of fitness. But they had enough at the end to kick the winning point. That is the sign of a very good team.
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Post by fitz on Apr 14, 2015 23:00:28 GMT
I'd leave things Tyrone to Tyrone although you'd wonder if Mickey was expecting too much of himself, given what he went through. Nobody could so it and he must be made of some stuff to do as well as he has. I found his book inspirational and what he went through even before becoming manager was remarkable; he faced rejection at lots of turns and him trying to better his community and the GAA. I do think tough that he should make amends with RTE and talk to us. I wouldn't be a man for surrendering if I was right but if this was about RTE's choice of commentator than that is 100% their decision. If anyone thinks otherwise then it would be the GAA as a whole who should have an input. All in all I'd be happy enough with our GAA commentators and unless someone genuinely believes RTE is unfair then I think they such matters are left to them. We'd all love to Micheals O'Heirs and O Muireartaighs but Marty is good and as are others. Credit where it is due, if we criticize then a word praise is no harm either. Lordy lordy, the Marty-Tom Carr comm combo give me the jibbers...then anguish Darragh Maloney is the main man
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Post by fitz on Apr 14, 2015 23:11:02 GMT
I didn't see the thread which has kicked off this discussion about only allowing Kerry posters....but it'd be a dull place if it were just ourselves on yer!!! Some of the best contributions here come from those not from Kerry, and such contributions allow for alot of debate. It should also be noted that there are a few "Kerry lads" here who are no angels when it comes to their posts (some would say me included!!! lol). "BetfairKing" was from Kerry...I rest my case!!! Agree, without the other contributors from outside Kerry, threads and debates would lose lots of interesting opined avenues. Plus we'd all be competing for the shiniest green and gold tinted lenses. Keeping an eye on the antagonism, where passionate views produce valid disagreements are healthy but avoiding lengthy oft interminable sledging rallies is key, and moderation do good job here. It was a good call to take down the McMenamin thread. As I write this I realise I forgot to record the Laochra program on McMenamin tonight . Any good?
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Post by fg on Apr 14, 2015 23:35:28 GMT
I'm afraid to comment
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 15, 2015 0:32:11 GMT
If you look really carefully it might dawn on you that I didnt forget about you at all. Just checking .. Glad to see you're still thinking of me and you're not obsessed anymore .. Oh wait !! Should you not be getting your beauty sleep. Your O Levels are fast approaching.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 15, 2015 3:10:43 GMT
Ah well maybe an open forum is best and good on Rashers and Donegal for not taking any offence, as none was meant anyway but that wouldn't always matter!
Commentary from other counties is insightful and we often overlook things, wood from the trees, etc, so that would all be missed.
Anyway I'll be leaving it at that and it was discussed is a very professional manner.
And no, Tommy Carr is not my cup of tea at all. Marty is good crack and his tone is more exciting than Maloney although Darragh is otherwise ok.
A few of us were chatting after the Tyrone match and our conclusion was that maybe there is too much focus on intermediaries, i.e. commentators, referees, etc. As regards refs, he only sees one side so how can he get them all right, unless he is wired to the other officials and in which case he would be distracted. I recall seeing crucial decisions in the soccer world cup that would have gone the other way if the ref was standing in a different place. A fella would want to be mad to be a ref and we all get carried away if things are hanging in the balance. I often wonder if refs ever set out to favour anyone, it would be madness to risk it, what ever chance they have of surviving by doing their best. And pleasing a crowd is harder than nailing jelly to the ceiling.
The only big decision I think that needs to be revisited is The Sky deal; I think the GAA needs to communicate with it's community and I know of many who would be honoured to offer sound advice pro bono for such a worthy cause; I am sure it happens already but we need more. Given our numbers we should be outsmarting them short-panse Sky buckos.
Re Donegal man's views on Tyrone U21, your own U21s are at the same level as Tyrone so you also have a a bright enough future. was also at that game and did you notice the similarity in tactics with their seniors the previous Sunday against us? I think the difference n the u21s was that they always had options when attacking. Both Tyrone teams close down the opposition instantly, no room whatsoever so with limited options you are between a rock and a hard pace. I don't know how Tyrone seniors can be written off when they drew with us having missed 3/4 goal chances. And I did't hear any hard luck stories after, all made for a great day out. That's the GAA at it's best, money couldn't buy it.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 15, 2015 6:17:23 GMT
I'm afraid to comment I know...I finally had to employ prior restraint! (on a PC click on a member's name then there is a relevant option)
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 15, 2015 8:10:59 GMT
I'd leave things Tyrone to Tyrone although you'd wonder if Mickey was expecting too much of himself, given what he went through. Nobody could so it and he must be made of some stuff to do as well as he has. I found his book inspirational and what he went through even before becoming manager was remarkable; he faced rejection at lots of turns and him trying to better his community and the GAA. I do think tough that he should make amends with RTE and talk to us. I wouldn't be a man for surrendering if I was right but if this was about RTE's choice of commentator than that is 100% their decision. If anyone thinks otherwise then it would be the GAA as a whole who should have an input. All in all I'd be happy enough with our GAA commentators and unless someone genuinely believes RTE is unfair then I think they such matters are left to them. We'd all love to Micheals O'Heirs and O Muireartaighs but Marty is good and as are others. Credit where it is due, if we criticize then a word praise is no harm either. Lordy lordy, the Marty-Tom Carr comm combo give me the jibbers...then anguish Darragh Maloney is the main man Agreed. But he can't do everything. Since MOM finished we have DM but we need one other top commentator. Anyway it's not so bad really, look at rugby, Ryle Nugent? No thanks. Marty, ah Marty. I really like his tone and the unbridled enthusiasm etc he brings. It's the other stuff sometimes that would drive you mad. He's decent enough though, let him off then! I recall once Micheál O'Hehir commentary on a basketball game or some such being played to an English audience, the coach said "turn it off!" Philistine
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 15, 2015 8:43:40 GMT
I wonder is it a de-facto rejection of the current manangement team there? That is not to be mischievous, I think MH will probably go soon anyway. I also felt that Tyrone were doing ok overall but need another top forward, maybe two to progress, and that they clearly aren't going to be winning All-Is at the moment no matter who is coach. I think MH should have taken a break a couple of years back and then he could have come back fresh after 3-5 years away, if the position was available. Of course if and when he was/is gone as head coach, there was/is going to be massive pressure on whoever takes over. That could be a serious consideration in timing of any step-down, as well of course that TCB had understandably given MH the choice to stay as long as he wanted. Perhaps one of the reasons he has stayed on so long is to give a credible successor time to emerge. Maybe the Tyrone lads have some insight on this. It would surely have to be at least a player from their great team to take over or be heavily involved, otherwise anybody else would be constantly undermined and given little chance. Sean Cavanagh is still the glue that is holding performance, some degree of performance at least, together. I'd imagine when he goes, which will be sooner rather than later, Tyrone will unravel as a footballing threat. I wouldn't quite go that far. If you look at 2 years ago Tyrone were really solid and very hard to beat. SC was a massive factor indeed, his leadership, play-making, free-taking and other scoring are irreplaceable. Is there another big summer in him? Has retirement of other players from the recent era explained the drop off in performance/results since 2013? By that stage full re-building had been underway 2 or 3 years I would think. 2013 was much better than the previous 2 years. What are the other factors since then? SC declining/injuries. Tyrone trying to play a different way last year in order to progress. Lack of further development of younger players and lack of much else coming through (though that could change this year with the U-21s). Anything else? I still have the feeling this could be a good summer for Tyrone, I can see them spring u-21s against Donegal and run them off the pitch. Have they got the players with pace and power to break the sort of stranglehold and control Donegal have held over them the past few years? Even then, a strong run through the qualifiers could also work well for them. In any case quite a few people are tipping Down for Ulster this year.
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Post by kot on Apr 15, 2015 9:31:25 GMT
Sean Cavanagh is still the glue that is holding performance, some degree of performance at least, together. I'd imagine when he goes, which will be sooner rather than later, Tyrone will unravel as a footballing threat. I wouldn't quite go that far. If you look at 2 years ago Tyrone were really solid and very hard to beat. SC was a massive factor indeed, his leadership, play-making, free-taking and other scoring are irreplaceable. Is there another big summer in him? Has retirement of other players from the recent era explained the drop off in performance/results since 2013? By that stage full re-building had been underway 2 or 3 years I would think. 2013 was much better than the previous 2 years. What are the other factors since then? SC declining/injuries. Tyrone trying to play a different way last year in order to progress. Lack of further development of younger players and lack of much else coming through (though that could change this year with the U-21s). Anything else? I still have the feeling this could be a good summer for Tyrone, I can see them spring u-21s against Donegal and run them off the pitch. Have they got the players with pace and power to break the sort of stranglehold and control Donegal have held over them the past few years? Even then, a strong run through the qualifiers could also work well for them. In any case quite a few people are tipping Down for Ulster this year. The problem is they are playing him inside where they are relying on other players winning & getting quality ball into him. Bar periods in the Kerry game, that didn't happen through the league too much (based on the evidence I saw, which is admittedly limited). If you are going to be getting the absolute maximum out of him, then you need him further out the field at the moment. And he has been on the go now for near on 15 years so he could use some back up support.
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Post by southward on Apr 15, 2015 14:08:14 GMT
I'd leave things Tyrone to Tyrone although you'd wonder if Mickey was expecting too much of himself, given what he went through. Nobody could so it and he must be made of some stuff to do as well as he has. I found his book inspirational and what he went through even before becoming manager was remarkable; he faced rejection at lots of turns and him trying to better his community and the GAA. I do think tough that he should make amends with RTE and talk to us. I wouldn't be a man for surrendering if I was right but if this was about RTE's choice of commentator than that is 100% their decision. If anyone thinks otherwise then it would be the GAA as a whole who should have an input. All in all I'd be happy enough with our GAA commentators and unless someone genuinely believes RTE is unfair then I think they such matters are left to them. We'd all love to Micheals O'Heirs and O Muireartaighs but Marty is good and as are others. Credit where it is due, if we criticize then a word praise is no harm either. Lordy lordy, the Marty-Tom Carr comm combo give me the jibbers...then anguish Darragh Maloney is the main man It's a measure of the quality of the Kerry/Mayo semi-finals last year that I can still enjoy watching them despite the background interference from Carr. He does his best to spoil them though.
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Post by kot on Apr 15, 2015 15:42:03 GMT
Lordy lordy, the Marty-Tom Carr comm combo give me the jibbers...then anguish Darragh Maloney is the main man It's a measure of the quality of the Kerry/Mayo semi-finals last year that I can still enjoy watching them despite the background interference from Carr. He does his best to spoil them though. Darragh is a sky blue cheerleader. Carr is dreadful!!!
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 15, 2015 15:52:20 GMT
Lordy lordy, the Marty-Tom Carr comm combo give me the jibbers...then anguish Darragh Maloney is the main man It's a measure of the quality of the Kerry/Mayo semi-finals last year that I can still enjoy watching them despite the background interference from Carr. He does his best to spoil them though. Describes him perfectly.
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Post by Dermot on Apr 15, 2015 16:55:06 GMT
I'd leave things Tyrone to Tyrone although you'd wonder if Mickey was expecting too much of himself, given what he went through. Nobody could so it and he must be made of some stuff to do as well as he has. I found his book inspirational and what he went through even before becoming manager was remarkable; he faced rejection at lots of turns and him trying to better his community and the GAA. I do think tough that he should make amends with RTE and talk to us. I wouldn't be a man for surrendering if I was right but if this was about RTE's choice of commentator than that is 100% their decision. If anyone thinks otherwise then it would be the GAA as a whole who should have an input. All in all I'd be happy enough with our GAA commentators and unless someone genuinely believes RTE is unfair then I think they such matters are left to them. We'd all love to Micheals O'Heirs and O Muireartaighs but Marty is good and as are others. Credit where it is due, if we criticize then a word praise is no harm either. It wasnt the commentator issue that was the problem (although he should have stayed out of that completely)... He doesnt talk to RTE because of a sketch they (John Murray) did .. a particularly insensitive one at the time relating to a "pretty little girl from Omagh" .... RTE could have subsequently handled this much better but didnt ... Personally I can totally see where Mickey is coming from but someone else from Tyrone needs to be speaking to RTE by now... Horrible stuff considering the circumstances..
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Post by Dermot on Apr 15, 2015 16:59:35 GMT
I will chip in with a very relevant opinion. Last wednesday night, I went up to Derry to watch Donegal v Tyrone in the u21 final. It was a very tight game, in which Tyrone just shaded it by a point. I would like to say deservedly, but wont, just out of sour grapes! They look like they will be an enormous threat to any senior side in a couple of years time. Dooher and Canavan were both in charge. They will obviously be moving together to the senior rank and file in the very near future with this batch of players. Their kick outs, movement, strength, and direct play as well as tactics were all there in spades. The one thing that they hadnt got on us was speed or 60 full minutes of fitness. But they had enough at the end to kick the winning point. That is the sign of a very good team. Another ex-Tyrone player Fergal Logan is the manager there .. he drafted the other lads in ... Seems to be doing quite well at the minute but has a big test in Roscommon coming up..... I can see spaces for these players to hopefully come into the senior team soon ... this wouldnt have happened a few years ago as the old guard were still there ... very few young players got a chance and we're suffering for that now.. hopefully that will change!!
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Post by Dermot on Apr 15, 2015 17:02:35 GMT
Just checking .. Glad to see you're still thinking of me and you're not obsessed anymore .. Oh wait !! Should you not be getting your beauty sleep. Your O Levels are fast approaching. I dont need any Sully .. Bloody gorgeous I am .. Also, I already have the O's in the bag !!
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Apr 15, 2015 19:14:09 GMT
I'd leave things Tyrone to Tyrone although you'd wonder if Mickey was expecting too much of himself, given what he went through. Nobody could so it and he must be made of some stuff to do as well as he has. I found his book inspirational and what he went through even before becoming manager was remarkable; he faced rejection at lots of turns and him trying to better his community and the GAA. I do think tough that he should make amends with RTE and talk to us. I wouldn't be a man for surrendering if I was right but if this was about RTE's choice of commentator than that is 100% their decision. If anyone thinks otherwise then it would be the GAA as a whole who should have an input. All in all I'd be happy enough with our GAA commentators and unless someone genuinely believes RTE is unfair then I think they such matters are left to them. We'd all love to Micheals O'Heirs and O Muireartaighs but Marty is good and as are others. Credit where it is due, if we criticize then a word praise is no harm either. It wasnt the commentator issue that was the problem (although he should have stayed out of that completely)... He doesnt talk to RTE because of a sketch they (John Murray) did .. a particularly insensitive one at the time relating to a "pretty little girl from Omagh" .... RTE could have subsequently handled this much better but didnt ... Personally I can totally see where Mickey is coming from but someone else from Tyrone needs to be speaking to RTE by now... Horrible stuff considering the circumstances.. Am I missing something here? Was there anything that predated that sketch or was that the whole reason for the RTE boycott?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 15, 2015 21:38:45 GMT
Predating that was a row over Brian Carty not being selected to take over from Micheal O'Muirchertaigh when the latter retired. MH was a big advocate and friend of BC who was the 'senior' commentator with RTE at the time (presumably must still be!!) and MH felt it was bad form he was not offered the position.
So he refused at the time to talk to RTE over it. I think that John Murray skit (could be spelled with a 'h' instead of a 'k') was based on MH's refusal to talk to RTE, as it was felt MH had no right to dictate to RTE or try to influence who and how they employ, and deal with in their organisation.
So I presume what probably would have gone away & been largely forgotten became entrenched by that. Not helped by recent Brollyisms no doubt!
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Apr 15, 2015 22:36:56 GMT
Predating that was a row over Brian Carty not being selected to take over from Micheal O'Muirchertaigh when the latter retired. MH was a big advocate and friend of BC who was the 'senior' commentator with RTE at the time (presumably must still be!!) and MH felt it was bad form he was not offered the position. So he refused at the time to talk to RTE over it. I think that John Murray skit (could be spelled with a 'h' instead of a 'k') was based on MH's refusal to talk to RTE, as it was felt MH had no right to dictate to RTE or try to influence who and how they employ, and deal with in their organisation. So I presume what probably would have gone away & been largely forgotten became entrenched by that. Not helped by recent Brollyisms no doubt! I see. So, the 'row' over the Carthy thing amounted to Harte refusing to talk to RTE?
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Post by fitz on Apr 15, 2015 22:45:43 GMT
Brian Carty commentary is spectacularly horrific as well. No one wins
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Post by fitz on Apr 15, 2015 22:55:36 GMT
I'd leave things Tyrone to Tyrone although you'd wonder if Mickey was expecting too much of himself, given what he went through. Nobody could so it and he must be made of some stuff to do as well as he has. I found his book inspirational and what he went through even before becoming manager was remarkable; he faced rejection at lots of turns and him trying to better his community and the GAA. I do think tough that he should make amends with RTE and talk to us. I wouldn't be a man for surrendering if I was right but if this was about RTE's choice of commentator than that is 100% their decision. If anyone thinks otherwise then it would be the GAA as a whole who should have an input. All in all I'd be happy enough with our GAA commentators and unless someone genuinely believes RTE is unfair then I think they such matters are left to them. We'd all love to Micheals O'Heirs and O Muireartaighs but Marty is good and as are others. Credit where it is due, if we criticize then a word praise is no harm either. It wasnt the commentator issue that was the problem (although he should have stayed out of that completely)... He doesnt talk to RTE because of a sketch they (John Murray) did .. a particularly insensitive one at the time relating to a "pretty little girl from Omagh" .... RTE could have subsequently handled this much better but didnt ... Personally I can totally see where Mickey is coming from but someone else from Tyrone needs to be speaking to RTE by now... Horrible stuff considering the circumstances.. Brutal clip considering close proximity to the family tragedy. Separately parking the sensitivity angle , just for sake of the following point - it's dirt sh*te content, rot.
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 15, 2015 22:56:49 GMT
Carty is singularly the worst commentator that RTE have
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