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Post by seamo on Apr 7, 2015 18:57:49 GMT
Well, that's not what I was getting at. It was a bit on the narrow side. It was obviously used to try and intimidate the Kerry players. Any wee advantage, and all that. lol .. Holy Jaysus Armagh, settle down there man, no call for that :-) lol The guard of honnor was too narrow :-) lmao .. Thats brilliant !!!! Ye knew what ye were doing alright Dermot, don't play innocent. That one is straight out of Martin Johnson's back-pocket!!!! Taking the Tyrone Kerry rivalry to a new low! hahaha
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Post by veteran on Apr 7, 2015 19:14:48 GMT
A lot of us are suffering from something called confirmation bias with Joe McQ. That BJK free was charging all day long as far as I am concerned but referees have been blowing that as a free in for years. Actually there was a similar incident at the end of the Donegal game where a Kerry counter-attacker ploughed into a back. I was gladdened to see the ref give no free in. Annascaul I am not sure if we are talking about the same BJK free. In my post earlier today, I was referring to the free at the end of the 2011 final which Stephen Cluxton pointed to win the final. As far as I can recall that "free" was given when BJK was adjudged to have pulled on a ball that a Dublin player was trying to pick up. I don't think there was any "charging" involved. But of course we may not be talking about the same incident. On the other hand it could be that my memory is more tattered than I realise. By the way, has anyone else any views on that "foul" committed by David Moran at the end of Sunday's game wwhich resulted in Tyrone's equaliser?
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Post by diego on Apr 7, 2015 19:32:24 GMT
I have never seen BJK so nervous and tentative and it was no surprise that he was whipped off after about fifteen minutes. It is a long time since I have seen a Kerry management do this and indeed I don't think I have ever seen EF and friends acting so mercilessly. Not unusual for Eamonn to haul someone off early if he sees fit. I'm sure it happened last year on occasions, and for a recent example you only have to go back to the Cork game last month when Sherwood and Sheehan were called ashore with only 20 minutes on the clock.
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Post by collinswotth1 on Apr 7, 2015 19:35:38 GMT
Veteran My 11 and 13 years old sons and me included all shouted At the TV in disbelief and immediately concluded that it could only be a free for Kerry as we could see no Gaelic Football foul against Moran. Yes it was. A horrible call and maybe you have uncovered A pattern here with much sound evidence .
Against. That. Let's not fool ourselves we cod not handle the running and carrying game and looked totally surprised by it If Tyrone had their shooting boots on we would have been well beat.
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Post by diego on Apr 7, 2015 19:38:14 GMT
lol .. Holy Jaysus Armagh, settle down there man, no call for that :-) lol The guard of honnor was too narrow :-) lmao .. Thats brilliant !!!! Ye knew what ye were doing alright Dermot, don't play innocent. That one is straight out of Martin Johnson's back-pocket!!!! Taking the Tyrone Kerry rivalry to a new low! hahaha Gone is the guard of honour, welcome to the corridor of intimidation.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 7, 2015 20:27:24 GMT
I suppose technically, it is a free on do what David Moran did but that's not the point. In 45 years watching the game I have NEVER seen it whistled.
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Post by Deise Exile on Apr 7, 2015 20:49:04 GMT
Referee atrocious Kerry giving away frees so close was poor Don't recall our tacking in last years All Ireland series being troublesome or such a worry but it's only the league Crazy tight league - 1 point difference between relegation and SF Tyrone did adopt horrible blanket defence swarm tactics but at stages Kerry did well using patience to create space and utilising Donaghy Paul Murphy - was brilliant in the potential for scores from the position he plays in. No he should've have gone die point like my Das thought GK saved two goals / 1 tip onto port - other rushing out Tyrone once they threw caution to the wind exposed out weakness when trash go directly at us Disappointed we didn't close out game Knew Tyron would raise their game exponentially - because it was a chance to relegate us and obviously to Dave themselves - a double motivating factor Switch of BJK so early - felt sorry for him but ah illustration of out managers ruthlessness Donaghy rebirth has been sensational I would not write off Tyrone V Donegal And I fear Cork How important was the failure of bit making SF out of 10 ? 6 for me - Kerry could do with a break in my personal opinion How important was staying up ? 9 Last but not least I DESPISE blanket defences and swarms - sure we utilise it at times as we have adapted - but nothing to the levels of certain teams - what gladdened me most about last years season of dreams was us beating Donegal at their own game - fire with fire - POSTSCRIPT - Bryan Sheehan is A MUST STARTER - people forget how good he is outside free kicks - classy player who's suffered fitness and injury problems - how the hell did Larry Tompkins not mention him - he is essentially the protege of Mauruce Fitz - yet Tomkins mentions the decidedly useless Sheridan - above average fks but other than that -- Were you drunk when you wrote this?
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Post by Deise Exile on Apr 7, 2015 21:03:36 GMT
Great game for the neutrals. The first half lacked a wee bit, but the 2nd half was powerful. When Kerry went 4 up, they were never going to get caught. Lots to look forward to this year. There is little or nothing between sides, and the league has pointed this out. It will all be on the day this year, form of a team going into a game will have to be spot on, very like a race horse going into a race. I wouldnt feel too aggrieved about missing out on the league, Cork would have loved to beat Kerry in croke park for their confidence, and they are very obviously ready for it. Come August, this is a different proposition, so letting them wait would be the best thing for you. See you all later in the year maybe. Very well summarised. Here's to a great championship irrespective of Joe Brolly
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 7, 2015 21:03:40 GMT
Hopefully ill email Weeshie when I'm outta hospital next few weeks as delayed going in as I miss so much games w dad being sick or 2006/7 etc - we are ocd lol Good to hear that you will be getting out of hospital soon Trevor.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 7, 2015 21:06:02 GMT
Monday, April 06, 2015
By Tony McEntee, Omagh
In the wake of yesterday’s Tyrone-Kerry match in Omagh, a friend explained the rationale of the need for change in sport and sporting management. "I like ham sandwiches but I don’t want them every day", he said.
It made me laugh and brought me back to the recent AIB Club documentary ‘Toughest Trade’, where the recently retired professional soccer player David Bentley expressed how he connected with the GAA culture and community and recognised it as what soccer used be.
I came across a brilliant young talent, Alan Davidson, at the recent Crossmaglen 7s tournament.
Alan was completely unrecognised amongst the sizeable GAA community present - until recently he had been playing for Ballymena United and quit the sport three days before last year’s League Cup final against Cliftonville.
Despite his team losing in the Sevens final, he was awarded MVP and everyone wanted to know who he was.
What’s the connection to Omagh yesterday? In the past week everyone has been scrambling to be the first to say gaelic football is in trouble. Jarlath Burns pronounced it dead. However, here is a real example of a young talent that has quit his job to rejoin something that he believes means more to him than money.
For those who missed yesterday’s game, I can assure them this was an entertaining match played at a high tempo, in good faith. There were promising signs for the summer ahead and some indications as to how the game is evolving today.
Let’s starts with Tyrone. Tyrone fit into the counter-offensive category, as described by Kieran Shannon of this newspaper. They defend deep and in numbers, forcing their opposition to shoot from distance, carry the ball into trouble, and force repeated turnovers. They counter-attack at ferocious speed and often carry directly into opponent’s danger zones thereby committing multiple defenders before offloading to a support runner or drawing a free from the panicked defenders.
Secondly, Mickey Harte has clearly been working on the commitment to the tackle or breakdown. His players are very aggressive at attacking the man or the breaking ball and for 35 minutes this resulted in multiple dispossessions for Tyrone. The intensity and endurance required to maintain this for seventy minutes isn’t there yet, but if the fitness levels improve then this Tyrone team will be very difficult to beat.
A negative for Tyrone is their kick-out percentages, from catching or break ball. Without the advantage of stats to hand I’d be confident in saying that this was their weakest sector and certainly a cause for concern. Kerry remain very much an enigma. Progress has been slow this year and it’s difficult to see what is going to change. I will highlight two main areas of concern for them. The first is the poor discipline in the tackle. It is erratic, cumbersome and will undoubtedly need to be improved for championship. A neat example occurred after 40 minutes when Peter Harte brilliantly disposed Stephen O’Brien with a textbook near-hand-tackle only to be fouled (tripped) by O’Brien, resulting in a black card.
The second is the lack of understanding and communication in attack when facing this defensive system, best demonstrated by Paul Murphy fisting the ball onto Bryan Sheehan’s back after 26 minutes. Without Sheehan’s free-taking ability from distance, Kerry had precious little options in that first half, and were it not for a sequence of predictable long balls into Kieran Donaghy, the second half showed little innovation from Kerry.
A negative for Kerry - and something that may raise some eyebrows later in the year when it actually matters - is the propensity to look for frees from the referee. As the proverb goes “fool me once shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me”. Joe McQuillan might not be so forgiving next time.
Finally, something that interests me is the change in the amount of individual scores being created. Both teamshad players who had the confidence and ability to take on their opponents and finish with a score, Paul Murphy and Mattie Donnelly in particular. This seems to return a higher success rate than shooting from distance and is certainly a positive to be taken from the recent change in defensive formations.
Remember that yesterday’s game actually meant something, yet we still witnessed an entertaining seventy-odd minutes. Doesn’t that auger well for the summer months? Don’t lose faith.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 7, 2015 21:08:47 GMT
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Tuesday, April 07, 2015
By Michael Quirke
There is a train in India that travels between Mumbai to Delhi, you’ve probably seen it in an old movie at some point.
It’s a train so packed with people, it’s standing room only. Bodies hanging out of every available window and door and sitting on top of carriages, clinging on for dear life.
That train reminds me a little of the crazed negativity that has swept across Gaelic football for the past two weeks. Of course, Joe Brolly has been the overly enthusiastic train driver, and he has it rolling down the tracks at a runaway speed. Everybody is jumping on. The game is dead, dying or in need of urgent care at the very least, according to most accounts. There’s no fun in it for the players anymore apparently; slaves, don’t you know.
They can’t even enjoy a pint for God’s sake, how’ll they ever survive?
For years now, we in Kerry, as well as most of the country, have had to endure Joe’s snide remarks and pantomime villain status, while he pontificated and eulogised about the virtues of the northern sides’ superior grit, organisation and teamwork. How they are all about the sum of their collective as opposed to relying on talented chokers like Gooch. How Kerry inevitably crumble in the face of the intensity and superior tactical nous of the defensive ‘systems’ of Armagh, Tyrone and of course the brilliance of the highly celebrated Jim McGuinness and Donegal.
Last year, he defiantly told us again that Kerry were gone, finished, washed up. Yet, despite his prophecy of doom, Kerry somehow managed to win both a minor and senior All-Ireland in the very same season that he proclaimed that the production line had ground to a halt in the Kingdom.
Of course, when the ‘system’ was eventually felled in last year’s decider, he then went on to lambast Kerry for joining the ‘dark side’. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t, kind of thinking.
Where’s the logic? Is the suggestion that Fitzmaurice shouldn’t have changed the way the Kerry team was set up to cope with the threat posed by Donegal? I mean, you don’t approach a tiger the same way you approach a puppy, do you? Joe seems to hark back to the good old days when the Irish rugby team of 20 years ago fed us a stable diet of tasteless moral victories. Teams should just go out there and do the same thing they did before and continue to get beaten?
Is it not a manager’s responsibility to create the best possible opportunity for his players to be successful? Is that not what Brian McIver tried to do for his Derry players against Dublin? It didn’t work out obviously, but he did it with the best interests of his players at heart, and subsequently took a hammering for it.
In my opinion, far too much emphasis has been placed on that game — a contest played out in driving rain and swirling wind. It was truly awful stuff to have to endure, but it was just a league game. We’ve had plenty of bad league games before, and we’ll have more in the future.
This whole hullabaloo is a little surreal to me.
Last Sunday in Omagh, we saw as good as a game of league football as you are ever likely to see. The fielding, kick-passing and score taking were of a very high standard by both teams. Yes, there were a lot of fouls, but that is going to come with the increased physicality in the game. Kerry committed nearly 20 more fouls that the Red Hand. A sure sign for Joe no doubt that Kerry are now the most cynical purveyors of the evil in the GAA.
How about Derry kicking 2-15 to Cork’s 1-11?
We shouldn’t get overly carried away about how healthy Gaelic football is this week as a result of a few cracking matches over the weekend. There must be a happy medium somewhere in between. I’m not a huge believer in the picture painted by statistics all the time, because you can manipulate them to support any side of an argument really, but the numbers suggest that this league has averaged close to 29 points per game, compared with just over 26 points per game back in 2001. It’s not all bad.
Every top team, including Kerry, are becoming competent at getting bodies back to create a defensive zone. The difference in most teams is how quickly and effectively they get out on the break and transition from that zone defence into attack.
Similar to the Donegal game in Tralee, Kerry showed great patience and width to probe the Tyrone defence before finding a shooting pocket to exploit, while Tyrone were running hard at Kerry and forcing overlaps all over the place. If you want to know how to beat the zone, watch last year’s All-Ireland final. Work on your kick-passing. Promote width on the pitch. Coaches should spend more time on breaking down the zone rather that practising building their own.
We should learn from our hurling counter parts, stop the scaremongering, and be as proud of the good games as we are downhearted at the bad ones.
© Irish Examiner Ltd. All rights reserved
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Post by veteran on Apr 7, 2015 21:46:23 GMT
What does Tony McEntee mean when he talks about Kerry's "propensity to look for frees from the referee". Does he mean that Kerry set out to get frees or set out to get more frees than the opposition or are the only team with this propensity? Most likely, it is a preemptive strike for the championship, warning referees of the nefarious deeds of these Kerry players. A lot of that around lately.
I get the impression that, in a lot of cicles, Kerry and KD in particular , will never be forgiven for getting some frees in that Mayo game in Limerick. Of course there is merit in their argument. Why should Kieran Donaghy get frees now, sure he has never got them up to this. He is big enough to accommodate a couple of players on his back without moaning. Get on with the game Kieran like a good boy. You have got your quota of frees at this stage.
If referees take Mr. McEntee's hint we may as well pension off Bryan Sheehan. Mr. McQuillan would never fall for this propaganda? I doubt it!
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 7, 2015 21:54:21 GMT
Hard to see the Gooch featuring on Sunday. do you believe me now? Fair plan Hugh20, it was foolish of me not to listen to an insider. In my defence, your comment did play on my mind as I posted.
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Post by wayupnorth on Apr 7, 2015 21:57:46 GMT
Ye knew what ye were doing alright Dermot, don't play innocent. That one is straight out of Martin Johnson's back-pocket!!!! Taking the Tyrone Kerry rivalry to a new low! hahaha Gone is the guard of honour, welcome to the corridor of intimidation. That would explain why we didn't come out the first time they lined up
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 7, 2015 22:02:34 GMT
Ok, have to call a stop to this persecution complex re Joe McQuillan. This is the second mention of the disallowed goal in 2010 qf. In answer to veteran's unfortunate question: Yes we have, and not very long after! Because early in the second half he disallowed a McComiskey goal for exactly the same reason. I was beginning to think I had imagined it, so much that I researched a match report. Talk about selective memory! The point about Joe McQuillan and the hand pass was made with poetic licence. He pulled Doncha that day, disallowing a goal, and you claim he subsequently pulled a Down player for the same offence. Very fair indeed. Incidentally, did that Down foul pass immediately precede a Down score? Did Mr. McQuillan pull all foul passes that day, back in those years the majority of those passes were of the dubious variety. If he didn't pull all those passes the he was purely pulling rabbits out of the hat on certain occasions, crucial occasions for Kerry, as a balancing act for Down. The same principle applies to the hand off. I have been preaching for a long time that this illegal practice has become endemic in out game. At a crucial juncture in Sunday's game, Mr. McQuillan reaches for another rabbit. He apparently decrees that David Moran committed the foul under discussion. Perhaps, he did.But how often was that foul committed and punished during Sunday's game? How often is that foul committed and punished during any game? Another rabbit out of the hat at a crucial juncture. Cost us a place in the semifinal. Persecution complex in respect of Mr. McQuillan? I have written once and once only in respect of the last minute free in the 2011 final. I wrote that if you are giving a free to win an ALL-Ireland, then it must be a cast iron free. The burden of certainty needs to be greater at the death. That BJK free was never a cast iron free. Perhaps you are right I am saddled with this persecution complex. Of course it could be that that I am dealing with an inept referee who who has an unfriendly blind spot when dealing with my county. These things happen and need to be acknowledged. The point is that Donnacha's pass in that particular play was perfectly and legally executed.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 7, 2015 22:04:26 GMT
What does Tony McEntee mean when he talks about Kerry's "propensity to look for frees from the referee". Does he mean that Kerry set out to get frees or set out to get more frees than the opposition or are the only team with this propensity? Most likely, it is a preemptive strike for the championship, warning referees of the nefarious deeds of these Kerry players. A lot of that around lately. I get the impression that, in a lot of cicles, Kerry and KD in particular , will never be forgiven for getting some frees in that Mayo game in Limerick. Of course there is merit in their argument. Why should Kieran Donaghy get frees now, sure he has never got them up to this. He is big enough to accommodate a couple of players on his back without moaning. Get on with the game Kieran like a good boy. You have got your quota of frees at this stage. If referees take Mr. McEntee's hint we may as well pension off Bryan Sheehan. Mr. McQuillan would never fall for this propaganda? I doubt it! Kerry won't be wanted in Croker on final day in September.
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Post by fitz on Apr 7, 2015 22:19:38 GMT
McStay on the day(catchy) - asserted that the problem was that Donnacha's pass was 'lateral', referencing that the ball was struck by the hand from the side/centre of the ball and not from underneath. Jesus wept and many of us with him. A lateral hand pass, only the white whale is more elusive to track.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 7, 2015 22:22:15 GMT
He was talking through his hole.
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Post by fitz on Apr 7, 2015 22:29:33 GMT
What does Tony McEntee mean when he talks about Kerry's "propensity to look for frees from the referee". Does he mean that Kerry set out to get frees or set out to get more frees than the opposition or are the only team with this propensity? Most likely, it is a preemptive strike for the championship, warning referees of the nefarious deeds of these Kerry players. A lot of that around lately. I get the impression that, in a lot of cicles, Kerry and KD in particular , will never be forgiven for getting some frees in that Mayo game in Limerick. Of course there is merit in their argument. Why should Kieran Donaghy get frees now, sure he has never got them up to this. He is big enough to accommodate a couple of players on his back without moaning. Get on with the game Kieran like a good boy. You have got your quota of frees at this stage. If referees take Mr. McEntee's hint we may as well pension off Bryan Sheehan. Mr. McQuillan would never fall for this propaganda? I doubt it! I've never found Tony McEntee to be enthused by Kerry in any of the relevant of his penned pieces regarding/including Kerry. Then again I might be deliberately avoiding those?
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Post by dano on Apr 8, 2015 1:51:09 GMT
Nice few digs there by Mike Quirk. No harm either!Don't worry Veteran, One every decade is more than most can handle.I'm looking forward to the Summer!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 2:45:38 GMT
Given the free count last Sunday Kerry did not do a very good job if their objective was to get more frees.
Kerry have been criticised by some for the amount of frees they gave away relative to Tyrone. It now appears that the disparity in frees awarded should be even greater.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Apr 8, 2015 11:24:13 GMT
Tyrone have been left reeling by the departure of four fringe players from their squad following their relegation from Division 1.
The Irish Daily Star reports that Shea McGuigan, brother of Brian, 2008 All-Ireland minor winner Paddy McNiece, Dwayne Quinn and Emmett McKenna have walked away from the Red Hands.
All four are understood to be disillusioned with their lack of game time during the McKenna Cup and league campaigns.
The return of experienced duo Joe McMahon and Dermot Carlin for last Sunday's clash against Kerry may also have contributed to the quartet's reasoning for turning their back on the jersey.
This latest development raises further questions about morale in the Tyrone camp ahead of their Ulster SFC clash against Donegal on May 17.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Apr 8, 2015 13:18:32 GMT
Is it just me or am i missing something in regards to Stephen O'Brien. He consistently starts games but rarely produces anything of note. My memory might be deceiving me but, away against Kildare last year and the first half of the Munster Final against Cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh are the only times I have seen him play well. He doesn't look a first cousin to a corner forward but, hasn't really done anything when on the wing either.
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 8, 2015 13:47:28 GMT
Is it just me or am i missing something in regards to Stephen O'Brien. He consistently starts games but rarely produces anything of note. My memory might be deceiving me but, away against Kildare last year and the first half of the Munster Final against Cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh are the only times I have seen him play well. He doesn't look a first cousin to a corner forward but, hasn't really done anything when on the wing either. His ability to burn the opposition with pace has noticeably decreased and tends to turn the ball over quite a bit. He works extremely hard though and may fulfill the Mikey Geaney role this year.
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Post by buck02 on Apr 8, 2015 14:41:26 GMT
Is it just me or am i missing something in regards to Stephen O'Brien. He consistently starts games but rarely produces anything of note. My memory might be deceiving me but, away against Kildare last year and the first half of the Munster Final against Cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh are the only times I have seen him play well. He doesn't look a first cousin to a corner forward but, hasn't really done anything when on the wing either. Fitzmaurice always talks about how players are picked on training form. One can only assume that O Brien is very impressive in training. While his pace does seem to have diminished a notch I still think his ability to beat defenders by going past them is something our other forwards, with the notable exception of James O - and maybe Darran if he can stay fit for a few months, don't really have. About him not looking like a first cousin to a corner forward, I always thought he carries a real goal scoring threat. His discipline needs to be worked on however. 2 needless black cards in his senior career and lucky not to see red for the reaction to a foul against Dublin is something that must be straightened out.
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Post by kerryexile on Apr 8, 2015 15:04:03 GMT
He also got a class goal against Mayo in the league last year – placing it perfectly in the corner.
I always get the impression that his speed makes him a very good club footballer but with defences better organised at inter county level he finds it hard to turn possession into any kind of end product (very much like Aiden McGeady playing with Ireland).
However I would stay with him - he is a good worker and is improving.
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Post by inchperfect on Apr 8, 2015 15:26:32 GMT
Apparently we're doing some heavy training so that might be why O'Brien doesn't appear as quick as he did last year.
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Post by Dermot on Apr 8, 2015 17:04:27 GMT
lol .. Holy Jaysus Armagh, settle down there man, no call for that :-) lol The guard of honnor was too narrow :-) lmao .. Thats brilliant !!!! Aye, you're right. I don't know what I was thinking typing that. Where's that delete button? lol, do ye not think some of these boys hate Tyrone enough with you giving them more ammo with speculation about "narrow" guards of honnor, and such like.... lol.... I also heard a rumour that we had dirty looks on our faces when the Kerry players appeared ... Disgraceful !!
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Post by Dermot on Apr 8, 2015 17:09:04 GMT
lol .. Holy Jaysus Armagh, settle down there man, no call for that :-) lol The guard of honnor was too narrow :-) lmao .. Thats brilliant !!!! Ye knew what ye were doing alright Dermot, don't play innocent. That one is straight out of Martin Johnson's back-pocket!!!! Taking the Tyrone Kerry rivalry to a new low! hahaha Ah feck, caught again ... And there was me thinking that no one saw Martin Johnson at the match (Mickeys temp replacement) .... I told him to keep low but the big fecker must have stood up at some stage :-( ....
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Apr 8, 2015 18:08:13 GMT
Aye, you're right. I don't know what I was thinking typing that. Where's that delete button? lol, do ye not think some of these boys hate Tyrone enough with you giving them more ammo with speculation about "narrow" guards of honnor, and such like.... lol.... I also heard a rumour that we had dirty looks on our faces when the Kerry players appeared ... Disgraceful !! Sure why would some of these boys hate Tyrone? What have Tyrone ever done to them?
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