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Post by gbbuei on Apr 6, 2015 7:58:43 GMT
The forwards will sort themselves out, too much talent there to get that wrong. It's in defence we need some serious work on. Guys are well off the pace, too many easy free's, and full back is a position that has not been solved. Agreed. Far far too many soft frees given away by lazy tackling. Which is disappointing at this stage in their development. The Michael Murphys, the Colm O'Neills etc... will punish that indiscipline in the Summer time. Mark Griffin was in trouble alright yesterday. The Sean Cavanagh's of the world are the level he needs to be able to handle and there are others who spring to mind hitting their peak that will give him further uncomfortable afternoons. Most cause for concern for me were the couple of high balls sent into Cavanagh in the first half which we made no hand of. I remember Ciaran Sheehan causing him similar discomfort under high ball in Munster championship a couple of years back and looks like he has not evolved. I was surprised Tyrone didn't try that angle a bit more in the second half with McCurry playing off Cavanagh. McCurry played very deep for one of their two scoring threats (along with Cavanagh). Which seems a bit bizarre.
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Post by gbbuei on Apr 6, 2015 8:08:24 GMT
Bjk and o Brien hurt their chances today. Yeah. They were both lost in the defensive quagmire. Unable to win their own primary ball was the big thing in comparison to Paul Geaney who is able to win ball both in the air and in front of him. After a couple of promising cameos against Cork and Donegal Alan Fitzgerald has unfortunately not taken either opportunity he was given against Monaghan (black card) and yesterday (offered very very little)
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Post by trevor73 on Apr 6, 2015 8:44:45 GMT
Hopefully ill email Weeshie when I'm outta hospital next few weeks as delayed going in as I miss so much games w dad being sick or 2006/7 etc - we are ocd lol
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Post by wayupnorth on Apr 6, 2015 9:10:50 GMT
Guard of honour provided by the Tyrone team as Kerry entered the field. Fair play. But there was a bit of a farce when they initially lined up and we didn't come out despite a standing ovation from the Tyrone crowd. But fair play to them indeed!
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Post by wayupnorth on Apr 6, 2015 9:25:52 GMT
Papers all saying it was a great game but having been there I'm not so sure. At least we can say job done and we're staying in Div one next season. If the general plan is to do well enough and stay mid table whilst keeping the powder dry for the Championship, I'm happy enough but I'm not sure the cardiovascular system can stand another rollercoaster ride next year!
The fact that if we scored another point we would be in the Semis and if Tyrone scored another point we would be in Div 2 highlights the absurdity of these league semi finals. I have always felt that the playoff between the top two teams would be sufficient although with Dublin in the mix CP can look forward to at least one more big payday.
Good showing from Paul Murphy who scored two points at vital psychological stages of the game and almost scored a goal. The other Paul also very good (came in at no 27 which was a shock as he was not listed on the programme). And the return of the Gooch - to see that was certainly worth getting out of bed for.
Plenty of food for thought in the weeks ahead - now down to business for the serious stuff.
Ciarrai ar ais aris!
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Post by wayupnorth on Apr 6, 2015 9:33:30 GMT
Should have mentioned also Tyrone supporters I encountered yesterday a very decent bunch - wishing us well despite their obvious disappointment at being relegated.
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Post by donegalman on Apr 6, 2015 9:43:00 GMT
Great game for the neutrals. The first half lacked a wee bit, but the 2nd half was powerful. When Kerry went 4 up, they were never going to get caught. Lots to look forward to this year. There is little or nothing between sides, and the league has pointed this out. It will all be on the day this year, form of a team going into a game will have to be spot on, very like a race horse going into a race. I wouldnt feel too aggrieved about missing out on the league, Cork would have loved to beat Kerry in croke park for their confidence, and they are very obviously ready for it. Come August, this is a different proposition, so letting them wait would be the best thing for you.
See you all later in the year maybe.
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Post by southward on Apr 6, 2015 10:15:09 GMT
Good post as usual, donegalman. And congrats to Dún na nGall on making the semis.
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 6, 2015 14:54:22 GMT
Good post as usual, donegalman. And congrats to Dún na nGall on making the semis. Cant help feeling after the Donegal Mayo game that Donegal weren't all that thrilled about getting to the semis while Mayo weren't all that thrilled to be missing out. The fact that Donegal's first championship game is in 6 weeks while Mayo's is 10 weeks off might have something to do with that.
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Post by fitz on Apr 6, 2015 18:35:22 GMT
My post on Sat night was clearly naive re: The Quill. His form has held up fine.
Lads, we've conceded just under 0-17 a game average for the league That would see you lose most games. We can't expect the forwards to bale us out everytime and if we can't tighten up it's hard to see Sam lifted. Our tackling is not clean enough and direct runners hurt us although they hurt any team. Plus we seem almost clueless with the black cards, Stephen hopefully got a toe up the hole for his stupidity yesterday. I can see us setting up as in the AI final for when the big games come. Great to see Colm and Daz back and again great to stay up. Crazy league results throughout.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Apr 6, 2015 19:51:16 GMT
What did ye make of the guard of honour yesterday?
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Post by tpo on Apr 6, 2015 21:14:54 GMT
I think guard of honour was for real, and also used to motivate Tyrone team. Missing some hard men of old but some great points scored as well. Don't think they beat Donegal but may give them a run for their money. They wont get as many frees in Ballybofey
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Post by veteran on Apr 6, 2015 21:37:43 GMT
It's disappointing that nobody of those who traveled to the game felt it appropriate a write a report for those of us confined to the couch this weekend. It does take a bit of an effort but one should treat it as a public service to forum members, particularly those far away from home who would give their right hand to be there but who instead would happily gobble up an eye witness report from a Kerry perspective. It is not too late yet to submit your opinion on the team, individual players and not forgetting a dear Kerry friend , Mr. McQuillan.
The primary aim has been achieved, nail bitingly close as usual, of retaining first division status. That was paramount. A bonus would have been a semifinal slot, tantalisingly within our grasp as it turned out, but Mr. McQuillan pulled a rabbit out of the hat with the David Moran penalisation at the end. More about our bete noire later.
Tyrone looked the better team in the first half. Slicker, on the shoulder running, direct with so many of their players comfortable on the ball in most positions of the field. Still, we kept in touch with good play for our wing backs , David Moran and Johnny Buckley. It was clear very early that BJK and Alan Fitzerald were having as severe bout of stage fright. I have never seen BJK so nervous and tentative and it was no surprise that he was whipped off after about fifteen minutes. It is a long time since I have seen a Kerry management do this and indeed I don't think I have ever seen EF and friends acting so mercilessly. Bravo I say. I hope to see more of this in the future and not wait until half time or later. The surprise here that it was Paul Geaney who was the replacement, not having been on the selected panel. This meant that somebody else had to miss out. I wonder who? In anyay case, Paul, not for the first time, played a crucial role.
Very early in the game, Johnny Buckley got an early card for baby tackling a Tyrone player, in the with the flat of the hand on the chest, Nonsense, the player got a heavy fall but it was not due to Johnny's baby contact.
The game seemed to open up more in the second half and I feel this suited Kerry. KD was once again central, rarely he is not. Justin McMahon buckled and was replaced but KD still caused mayhem. Ably abetted by the cerebral Paul Geaney and the arrival of Colm and Darran was a throw back to another life, a blissfully happy one. Colm pulled a few strings to open padlocked doors and Darran is a fair operator to hop,step and jump his way through these less traveled avenues. KD must hav looked up at the skies and announced all my acolytes save the one from Legion have arrived. Happy days. We should of course have clinched matters and the diminutive Rathmore, who suggested he may be about to revisit 2014 , could not be faulted for his ultimately fruitless incision.
After looking as if were on our way, the backs as a unit did not seem primed to cope with running players from deep, feeble tackling was employed and Mr. McQuillan was generous in the amount of steps allowed and then in the awarding of frees. A lot of these frees were legitimate but some were of the home variety.
Talking about frees, could somebody riddle me the free awarded against David Moran in the last minute or so. The only possible explanation I can offer is a hand off by David Moran, a fairly timid one it must be said. Now, this handing off, which is illegal, has become endemic in the game that it is simply ignored by the ref. So, Mr. MCQuillan racks the recesses of his brain as David Moran makes progress and decides I can give Tyrone one more chance with the old hand off trick. Will we ever see this ploy penalised again by McQuillan? Have we ever seen a hand pass been blown up since he penalised Doncha in the 2010 game against Down. So there you have two rabbits out of the Cavan hat, exclusively for our delectation. Oh, it is hard to love Joe. Incidentally that "hand of" cost us a place in the semifinals. Does anybody remember Joe costing us a bigger price in the 2011?
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Post by mossie on Apr 6, 2015 22:05:19 GMT
The forwards will sort themselves out, too much talent there to get that wrong. It's in defence we need some serious work on. Guys are well off the pace, too many easy free's, and full back is a position that has not been solved. Complete overreaction to Tommy Walsh's performance's. Kennelly was away for nearly twice the length of time Tommy was (and left as a minor, not YFOTY), didn't really get going until late July/August and then made a huge impact. Again I'd be more worried about getting a settled and stable look to our defence. Agreed re the defence. I think Kerry were haunted to get out of there with a draw. Tyrone fluffed 3 clear cut goal chances in the 2nd half. One wide, one over the bar and then the one when Kerry made a dogs dinner of a short kick out. It is concerning. Plus points - Star and Paul Geaney outstanding in the second half plus Gooch's skill and sharpness when he came on. Also going to be very difficult to leave Sheehan off the team. The ability to kick long range frees and from play is invaluable especially against teams that play a blanket defence
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 6, 2015 22:10:33 GMT
It's disappointing that nobody of those who traveled to the game felt it appropriate a write a report for those of us confined to the couch this weekend. It does take a bit of an effort but one should treat it as a public service to forum members, particularly those far away from home who would give their right hand to be there but who instead would happily gobble up an eye witness report from a Kerry perspective. It is not too late yet to submit your opinion on the team, individual players and not forgetting a dear Kerry friend , Mr. McQuillan. The primary aim has been achieved, nail bitingly close as usual, of retaining first division status. That was paramount. A bonus would have been a semifinal slot, tantalisingly within our grasp as it turned out, but Mr. McQuillan pulled a rabbit out of the hat with the David Moran penalisation at the end. More about our bete noire later. Tyrone looked the better team in the first half. Slicker, on the shoulder running, direct with so many of their players comfortable on the ball in most positions of the field. Still, we kept in touch with good play for our wing backs , David Moran and Johnny Buckley. It was clear very early that BJK and Alan Fitzerald were having as severe bout of stage fright. I have never seen BJK so nervous and tentative and it was no surprise that he was whipped off after about fifteen minutes. It is a long time since I have seen a Kerry management do this and indeed I don't think I have ever seen EF and friends acting so mercilessly. Bravo I say. I hope to see more of this in the future and not wait until half time or later. The surprise here that it was Paul Geaney who was the replacement, not having been on the selected panel. This meant that somebody else had to miss out. I wonder who? In anyay case, Paul, not for the first time, played a crucial role. Very early in the game, Johnny Buckley got an early card for baby tackling a Tyrone player, in the with the flat of the hand on the chest, Nonsense, the player got a heavy fall but it was not due to Johnny's baby contact. The game seemed to open up more in the second half and I feel this suited Kerry. KD was once again central, rarely he is not. Justin McMahon buckled and was replaced but KD still caused mayhem. Ably abetted by the cerebral Paul Geaney and the arrival of Colm and Darran was a throw back to another life, a blissfully happy one. Colm pulled a few strings to open padlocked doors and Darran is a fair operator to hop,step and jump his way through these less traveled avenues. KD must hav looked up at the skies and announced all my acolytes save the one from Legion have arrived. Happy days. We should of course have clinched matters and the diminutive Rathmore, who suggested he may be about to revisit 2014 , could not be faulted for his ultimately fruitless incision. After looking as if were on our way, the backs as a unit did not seem primed to cope with running players from deep, feeble tackling was employed and Mr. McQuillan was generous in the amount of steps allowed and then in the awarding of frees. A lot of these frees were legitimate but some were of the home variety. Talking about frees, could somebody riddle me the free awarded against David Moran in the last minute or so. The only possible explanation I can offer is a hand off by David Moran, a fairly timid one it must be said. Now, this handing off, which is illegal, has become endemic in the game that it is simply ignored by the ref. So, Mr. MCQuillan racks the recesses of his brain as David Moran makes progress and decides I can give Tyrone one more chance with the old hand off trick. Will we ever see this ploy penalised again by McQuillan? Have we ever seen a hand pass been blown up since he penalised Doncha in the 2010 game against Down. So there you have two rabbits out of the Cavan hat, exclusively for our delectation. Oh, it is hard to love Joe. Incidentally that "hand of" cost us a place in the semifinals. Does anybody remember Joe costing us a bigger price in the 2011? The loss of a potential league Final against the Dubs has also cost the Kerry County Board a serious pay day.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 6, 2015 23:22:08 GMT
Veteran, don't be a fool, you are untouchable, and as Tomás Annascaul says, I'm not for bullls***. From your couch analysis you may as well have been there. You were spot re a few marginal decisions, whatever you're eating don't change the diet, but please let us have the script.
Neutrals I have met since in Donegal think the Red hand got everything from ref.
Spud Murphy will be a great. We were hard on KD, go easy on BJK, how many of us had won a Celtic Cross at his age? Moran gets cooler by the day, sports intelligence personified like Spud.
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Apr 7, 2015 2:54:29 GMT
Have we ever seen a hand pass been blown up since he penalised Doncha in the 2010 game against Down... Ok, have to call a stop to this persecution complex re Joe McQuillan. This is the second mention of the disallowed goal in 2010 qf. In answer to veteran's unfortunate question: Yes we have, and not very long after! Because early in the second half he disallowed a McComiskey goal for exactly the same reason. I was beginning to think I had imagined it, so much that I researched a match report. Talk about selective memory!
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Post by homerj on Apr 7, 2015 7:33:00 GMT
What did ye make of the guard of honour yesterday? Standard for all league games involving all Ireland champions no??? I'm sure if we played them in 04, 06 and 09, we did same for them.
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Post by hugh20 on Apr 7, 2015 7:45:56 GMT
Just from conversing with a couple of people in the know, they are expecting Colm to get game time against Tyrone. People may think it is premature and they could have a point but if he does end up featuring I'm sure there would be no question marks over his fitness and injury. I think Tommy Walsh coming back coupled with Donaghy and James O having brilliant seasons last year is a huge benefit to us in terms of goochs recovery. The pressure for him to recapture old performances is not as high as one would initially have expected. Nobody can say yet how effective the gooch will be after injury, the reality is he sustained a horrific double injury and the likelihood is that you would imagine he will lose a yard of pace and logically you would assume he will play the remainder of his footballing days on the 40. If he comes back half the player he was that still makes him a valuable asset to us Hard to see the Gooch featuring on Sunday. do you believe me now?
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Post by veteran on Apr 7, 2015 8:06:43 GMT
Have we ever seen a hand pass been blown up since he penalised Doncha in the 2010 game against Down... Ok, have to call a stop to this persecution complex re Joe McQuillan. This is the second mention of the disallowed goal in 2010 qf. In answer to veteran's unfortunate question: Yes we have, and not very long after! Because early in the second half he disallowed a McComiskey goal for exactly the same reason. I was beginning to think I had imagined it, so much that I researched a match report. Talk about selective memory! The point about Joe McQuillan and the hand pass was made with poetic licence. He pulled Doncha that day, disallowing a goal, and you claim he subsequently pulled a Down player for the same offence. Very fair indeed. Incidentally, did that Down foul pass immediately precede a Down score? Did Mr. McQuillan pull all foul passes that day, back in those years the majority of those passes were of the dubious variety. If he didn't pull all those passes the he was purely pulling rabbits out of the hat on certain occasions, crucial occasions for Kerry, as a balancing act for Down. The same principle applies to the hand off. I have been preaching for a long time that this illegal practice has become endemic in out game. At a crucial juncture in Sunday's game, Mr. McQuillan reaches for another rabbit. He apparently decrees that David Moran committed the foul under discussion. Perhaps, he did.But how often was that foul committed and punished during Sunday's game? How often is that foul committed and punished during any game? Another rabbit out of the hat at a crucial juncture. Cost us a place in the semifinal. Persecution complex in respect of Mr. McQuillan? I have written once and once only in respect of the last minute free in the 2011 final. I wrote that if you are giving a free to win an ALL-Ireland, then it must be a cast iron free. The burden of certainty needs to be greater at the death. That BJK free was never a cast iron free. Perhaps you are right I am saddled with this persecution complex. Of course it could be that that I am dealing with an inept referee who who has an unfriendly blind spot when dealing with my county. These things happen and need to be acknowledged.
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 7, 2015 8:12:46 GMT
What did ye make of the guard of honour yesterday? Standard for all league games involving all Ireland champions no??? I'm sure if we played them in 04, 06 and 09, we did same for them. No it's not standard. It's usually just provided for the opening games. Fair play to Tyrone though.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 7, 2015 8:16:36 GMT
A lot of us are suffering from something called confirmation bias with Joe McQ.
That BJK free was charging all day long as far as I am concerned but referees have been blowing that as a free in for years.
Actually there was a similar incident at the end of the Donegal game where a Kerry counter-attacker ploughed into a back. I was gladdened to see the ref give no free in.
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 7, 2015 8:23:25 GMT
Kerry forwards were fouled a few times last Sunday and play was let develop without the advantage rule. Similar fouls occurred at the other end which resulted in play being brought back.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 7, 2015 8:49:14 GMT
Cracking game, not much sign of the much-maligned blankets! Hard luck to both teams for not getting quite what they fully wanted. Certainly a game that will stand to them though. My dream of a Kerry-Dublin league final dies for yet another year, damn that Joe McQ! Guard of honour at a final league game? That's just priceless! Yous Tyrone lads will try anything, and yis would have got away with it too, "if it hadn't been for those pesky kids!!"
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 7, 2015 13:13:15 GMT
The forwards will sort themselves out, too much talent there to get that wrong. It's in defence we need some serious work on. Guys are well off the pace, too many easy free's, and full back is a position that has not been solved. Complete overreaction to Tommy Walsh's performance's. Kennelly was away for nearly twice the length of time Tommy was (and left as a minor, not YFOTY), didn't really get going until late July/August and then made a huge impact. Again I'd be more worried about getting a settled and stable look to our defence. Agreed re the defence. I think Kerry were haunted to get out of there with a draw. Tyrone fluffed 3 clear cut goal chances in the 2nd half. One wide, one over the bar and then the one when Kerry made a dogs dinner of a short kick out. It is concerning. Plus points - Star and Paul Geaney outstanding in the second half plus Gooch's skill and sharpness when he came on. Also going to be very difficult to leave Sheehan off the team. The ability to kick long range frees and from play is invaluable especially against teams that play a blanket defence His tackling needs to improve immensely.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Apr 7, 2015 13:50:37 GMT
What did ye make of the guard of honour yesterday? Standard for all league games involving all Ireland champions no??? I'm sure if we played them in 04, 06 and 09, we did same for them. Well, that's not what I was getting at. It was a bit on the narrow side. It was obviously used to try and intimidate the Kerry players. Any wee advantage, and all that.
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 7, 2015 13:59:51 GMT
Agreed re the defence. I think Kerry were haunted to get out of there with a draw. Tyrone fluffed 3 clear cut goal chances in the 2nd half. One wide, one over the bar and then the one when Kerry made a dogs dinner of a short kick out. It is concerning. Plus points - Star and Paul Geaney outstanding in the second half plus Gooch's skill and sharpness when he came on. Also going to be very difficult to leave Sheehan off the team. The ability to kick long range frees and from play is invaluable especially against teams that play a blanket defence His tackling needs to improve immensely. Himself and Lyne seemed to be having a free-giving away competition yesterday - I think Lyne probably had a higher number of frees conceded but Sheehan gave away two that were just painful to watch - a blatant tug on a Tyrone jersey when the player had run away from him, despite the fact that there were 2 other Kerry players surrounding the Tyrone player and the player was well-covered and the free just before half-time out towards the sideline when Tyrone were going backwards with the clock running out. Luckily Cavanagh dropped the gift of that free short. Obviously O'Brien's black-card takes the "prize" in terms of daft/silly/stupid/pointless frees to give away. Those sort of stupid frees to concede are just painful. One positive about how bad the tackling was Sunday is that you'd imagine the management will have plenty of video evidence to show the players come the trip to Portugal in terms of what not to do.
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Post by Dermot on Apr 7, 2015 14:48:08 GMT
Standard for all league games involving all Ireland champions no??? I'm sure if we played them in 04, 06 and 09, we did same for them. Well, that's not what I was getting at. It was a bit on the narrow side. It was obviously used to try and intimidate the Kerry players. Any wee advantage, and all that. lol .. Holy Jaysus Armagh, settle down there man, no call for that :-) lol The guard of honnor was too narrow :-) lmao .. Thats brilliant !!!!
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Apr 7, 2015 17:35:16 GMT
Well, that's not what I was getting at. It was a bit on the narrow side. It was obviously used to try and intimidate the Kerry players. Any wee advantage, and all that. lol .. Holy Jaysus Armagh, settle down there man, no call for that :-) lol The guard of honnor was too narrow :-) lmao .. Thats brilliant !!!! Aye, you're right. I don't know what I was thinking typing that. Where's that delete button?
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Post by falveyb2k on Apr 7, 2015 17:41:04 GMT
I spotted the same, watch how narrow it is at the end, just as well the likes of the Bomber and Quirke are retired!!!!
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