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Post by fitz on Apr 15, 2015 23:11:02 GMT
Don't stop at RTE
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Apr 16, 2015 2:10:17 GMT
Don't think there was a thread, Seamo. Ballythefireside posted a one-liner (in jest, I assume) in response to the deleted Ricey thread. That's all. There's no issue here. I also assumed it could not be a serious question. There is something rotten in a Kingdom that would ban a free press.
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Post by Dermot on Apr 16, 2015 12:05:37 GMT
Predating that was a row over Brian Carty not being selected to take over from Micheal O'Muirchertaigh when the latter retired. MH was a big advocate and friend of BC who was the 'senior' commentator with RTE at the time (presumably must still be!!) and MH felt it was bad form he was not offered the position. So he refused at the time to talk to RTE over it. I think that John Murray skit (could be spelled with a 'h' instead of a 'k') was based on MH's refusal to talk to RTE, as it was felt MH had no right to dictate to RTE or try to influence who and how they employ, and deal with in their organisation. So I presume what probably would have gone away & been largely forgotten became entrenched by that. Not helped by recent Brollyisms no doubt! I see. So, the 'row' over the Carthy thing amounted to Harte refusing to talk to RTE? Im not sure if he had refused to talk to them over that, I thought it was just the catalyst to what happened next ! I dont agree with MH about Carty, he was completely wrong.. I disagree with his stance on many things (esp outside football) actually but everyone has their own opinions and that should be allowed..... But I can certainly see why he was very upset at that pathetic sketch.. Thankfully I (and hopefully most/all of us here) cant begin to imagine how hurtful this was to him and his family coming so shortly after his daughters murder and while it was still very much in the news... And Fitzwop's right as well ... That John Murray fella is about as funny as ... Well, something not very funny !!
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Apr 16, 2015 13:32:05 GMT
I see. So, the 'row' over the Carthy thing amounted to Harte refusing to talk to RTE? Im not sure if he had refused to talk to them over that, I thought it was just the catalyst to what happened next ! I dont agree with MH about Carty, he was completely wrong.. I disagree with his stance on many things (esp outside football) actually but everyone has their own opinions and that should be allowed..... But I can certainly see why he was very upset at that pathetic sketch.. Thankfully I (and hopefully most/all of us here) cant begin to imagine how hurtful this was to him and his family coming so shortly after his daughters murder and while it was still very much in the news... And Fitzwop's right as well ... That John Murray fella is about as funny as ... Well, something not very funny !! The day has come....I agree with you there. It was disgraceful what they did to Mickey Harte. Harte is a real gentlemen and though he keeps a few opinions that I don't share, he is a very well respected man who constantly shows that he deserves that respect. Mickey Harte has gone through the worst only to find there was even worse to come. I'm not sure if John Murray has apologised publicly, but if not he should be forced to. It was horrible and distasteful at best and I think there is a case there for a criminal procedure against Murray, though that may be the last thing that Harte is interested in. Luckily the wider GAA community have shown that they respect Mickey Harte and I hope that comforts him a bit. I wish Harte all the best and hope his health improves. He's a man that embodies all that is good about the GAA though his tactics are not my "cup of tea". There's no denying though that even though he introduced unpopular tactics they were very successful. He revolutionised the game by adapting the way the team plays based on the kind of players he could avail of rather than making players play a certain style. In the past Tyrone had very stylish footballers, but they did not win on the big stage. Harte changed that and made them play safety first and in a way that all players could be interchanged. He had the group all the way from minors through U21s to seniors and they were fully trained in the Harte philosophy. Unlike other counties he was not interested in producing football superstars, but all players adopted the style and worked as a single unit. When in possession every player is an attacker, when losing possession every player is a defender. I enjoyed reading Harte's book. It gives a good insight in how the man thinks about football. Personally, I don't agree with the way his teams play, but that is a personal opinion. He delivered 3 All-Ireland titles to a county that had little success before that reaching only 2 finals in the first hundred 111 years of the GAA. A huge achievement and he will forever be remembered as a hero of the GAA. On a sidenote: how long do you think will sean Cavanagh continue? I think there is still a few years in him, but if Tyrone don't have some successes in the coming years it would be hard to put in all the work for little return.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Apr 16, 2015 15:39:35 GMT
I see. So, the 'row' over the Carthy thing amounted to Harte refusing to talk to RTE? Im not sure if he had refused to talk to them over that, I thought it was just the catalyst to what happened next ! I dont agree with MH about Carty, he was completely wrong.. I disagree with his stance on many things (esp outside football) actually but everyone has their own opinions and that should be allowed..... But I can certainly see why he was very upset at that pathetic sketch.. Thankfully I (and hopefully most/all of us here) cant begin to imagine how hurtful this was to him and his family coming so shortly after his daughters murder and while it was still very much in the news... And Fitzwop's right as well ... That John Murray fella is about as funny as ... Well, something not very funny !! He was wrong. Ok he can voice his opinion as to who might get the RTE position but ultimately it was RTE's business, and nobody else's. It was a pathetic sketch. But was it just the timing after Michaela's death that's the issue, or was it the actual content (ie. the song)?
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 16, 2015 20:53:39 GMT
I remember a good few years back Marion Finucane was interviewing the mother of a fella in Dublin who had his ear sliced off in some gang related incident. After the interview they had some music. What song did they play? "Stuck in the middle" the song from Reservoir Dogs where a fella got his ear cut off. They pleaded that it was a complete coincidence when people complained....i wonder was it. They have form for it.
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Post by dano on Apr 16, 2015 22:55:33 GMT
Mickey Harte has been through a lot. Noone deserved what happened to him and we should cut him some slack.He brought a "weak" county from being just that to being 3 time AI winners in the space of one decade and that is more than most have achieved. We hear of Mayo and their tradition of football, They have 3 AIs won.I believe Bally thefireside when he relates stories of Donegal and Tyrone folk who still are in awe of our Kingdom and what they have achieved on the football field. That aside, there are those, like Mr. Heany in the Examiner, who would akin us to the tories across the water, and Mr. Brolly, who thinks we are just foulers and of course Dermot. These are the Kerry haters, forever trying to plant seeds of doubt in a ground that will eternally reject them.
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Post by fitz on Apr 16, 2015 23:13:36 GMT
Think the Kerry haters is strong Dan, I haven't found Dermot to be a Kerry hater. I know he and Sully don't see eye to eye (political answer), but I find his posts reasoned. I don't think Brolly hates Kerry either, despite the hyperbole horseshi*e like "When a team look Kerry in the eye" etc. Looks like he does hold grudges mind re: Mickey Harte.
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Post by dano on Apr 17, 2015 2:18:50 GMT
You might be right Fitzwop but they do come across as begrudgers. Maybe haters was out of line.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 17, 2015 7:02:23 GMT
Don't think there was a thread, Seamo. Ballythefireside posted a one-liner (in jest, I assume) in response to the deleted Ricey thread. That's all. There's no issue here. I also assumed it could not be a serious question. There is something rotten in a Kingdom that would ban a free press. Freedom of the press is not the issue but I questioned balance. Is the forum where supporters can confide, well with some degree of confidentiality, we don't want things we might be privy to benefit the opposition. Of course the forum would always remain open to snoopers anyway, sure didn't they climb trees i.e. the special branch that let 'em down last year, ah maybe things are best left as they are and outside commentary is no harm but there is a trade off. In any event it is not possible to know who commentators are although the DNA gets 'fleshed out' eventually. Things Internet change so much that it is hard not to go with the flow, so I suppose we must all be wary in keeping the odd biteen of info to ourselves. BTW our hurlers our hurlers could have gotten a bigger response on here, or does it reflect on us being primarily a football forum? I wonder can we ever make it as a hurling county, Offaly and Galway might be nearest comparisons that have won All Ireland's in both. Cork have also but they have a serious hurling tradition. Not so long ago the strongest in one code failed to field a team in the other, ourselves and The Cats, so maybe it is the amateur issue that means that the resources simply aren't there to have sufficient weight behind both codes. The Dubs had the population and sponsorship so it can be done. I suppose if you look at it like Ireland vs France and England in Rugby then maybe population isn't everything, although something tells me that good 'crops' of GAA teams will be strongly correlated to the core strength of that code. i.e. Kerry are more likely to have good football crops as we have phenomenal strength is terms of club infrastructure behind it. It is only recently I noticed that support for football in Kerry is at least as strong in hurling clubs; the reverse is hardly true and you'd wonder if we could revive it. 'Towuld be nice to have Liam McCarthy holiday in Kerry occasionally!
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Post by kot on Apr 17, 2015 10:12:26 GMT
I also assumed it could not be a serious question. There is something rotten in a Kingdom that would ban a free press. Freedom of the press is not the issue but I questioned balance. Is the forum where supporters can confide, well with some degree of confidentiality, we don't want things we might be privy to benefit the opposition. Of course the forum would always remain open to snoopers anyway, sure didn't they climb trees i.e. the special branch that let 'em down last year, ah maybe things are best left as they are and outside commentary is no harm but there is a trade off. In any event it is not possible to know who commentators are although the DNA gets 'fleshed out' eventually. Things Internet change so much that it is hard not to go with the flow, so I suppose we must all be wary in keeping the odd biteen of info to ourselves. BTW our hurlers our hurlers could have gotten a bigger response on here, or does it reflect on us being primarily a football forum? I wonder can we ever make it as a hurling county, Offaly and Galway might be nearest comparisons that have won All Ireland's in both. Cork have also but they have a serious hurling tradition. Not so long ago the strongest in one code failed to field a team in the other, ourselves and The Cats, so maybe it is the amateur issue that means that the resources simply aren't there to have sufficient weight behind both codes. The Dubs had the population and sponsorship so it can be done. I suppose if you look at it like Ireland vs France and England in Rugby then maybe population isn't everything, although something tells me that good 'crops' of GAA teams will be strongly correlated to the core strength of that code. i.e. Kerry are more likely to have good football crops as we have phenomenal strength is terms of club infrastructure behind it. It is only recently I noticed that support for football in Kerry is at least as strong in hurling clubs; the reverse is hardly true and you'd wonder if we could revive it. 'Towuld be nice to have Liam McCarthy holiday in Kerry occasionally! To be honest, you are kind of waffling now. I really have no clue about what the point is on even discussing that point. It's an internet forum! Its very easy for somebody to just say they are from Kerry and set up plenty of bogus accounts anyway. If you are aware of any titbit of information that might be as key to the opposition as the enigma code was to the allied forces, then maybe just don't post it. I believe this thread was specifically to discuss Kerry V Tyrone pre, during & post game thoughts. If I look further down, there is another thread on the Kerry Hurlers where they are discussing their win and frequently discuss the future of Kerry hurling.
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Post by delorean on Apr 17, 2015 10:52:25 GMT
Come to think of it, one of our better Cork posters ,Delorean, seems to have gone missing in action. I hope all is well with him. He was a good man to cut through some Kerry nonsense. And that is what we need. Somebody to give a contrarian view point, if that is what is appropriate to the particular discussion, that it based on logic and reason. That approach fertilises the forum, preventing unanimity and, therefore, boredom. All great here Veteran, thanks. "He was a good man to cut through some Kerry nonsense." I must say I felt a deep pride on reading that, I might arrange for it to go on my headstone It didn't feel like I was cutting through much at the time though, given the resistance. Between the long winter and eerie sense of deja vu this league campaign has brought, I suppose I haven't had an awful lot to contribute. I've had the occasional peek from behind the long grass alright, to see what ye were saying about our U21's and the likes.
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Post by buck02 on Apr 17, 2015 11:49:04 GMT
Come to think of it, one of our better Cork posters ,Delorean, seems to have gone missing in action. I hope all is well with him. He was a good man to cut through some Kerry nonsense. And that is what we need. Somebody to give a contrarian view point, if that is what is appropriate to the particular discussion, that it based on logic and reason. That approach fertilises the forum, preventing unanimity and, therefore, boredom. All great here Veteran, thanks. "He was a good man to cut through some Kerry nonsense." I must say I felt a deep pride on reading that, I might arrange for it to go on my headstone It didn't feel like I was cutting through much at the time though, given the resistance. Between the long winter and eerie sense of deja vu this league campaign has brought, I suppose I haven't had an awful lot to contribute. I've had the occasional peek from behind the long grass alright, to see what ye were saying about our U21's and the likes. And how does it feel to be called a "he" Delorean In the history of threads going off topic, this has to be up there with the best of them!
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Post by delorean on Apr 17, 2015 12:05:25 GMT
It feels pretty normal bucko!
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Post by Dermot on Apr 17, 2015 13:10:47 GMT
Im not sure if he had refused to talk to them over that, I thought it was just the catalyst to what happened next ! I dont agree with MH about Carty, he was completely wrong.. I disagree with his stance on many things (esp outside football) actually but everyone has their own opinions and that should be allowed..... But I can certainly see why he was very upset at that pathetic sketch.. Thankfully I (and hopefully most/all of us here) cant begin to imagine how hurtful this was to him and his family coming so shortly after his daughters murder and while it was still very much in the news... And Fitzwop's right as well ... That John Murray fella is about as funny as ... Well, something not very funny !! He was wrong. Ok he can voice his opinion as to who might get the RTE position but ultimately it was RTE's business, and nobody else's. It was a pathetic sketch. But was it just the timing after Michaela's death that's the issue, or was it the actual content (ie. the song)? Yap, totally wrong re Carty. It was both the timing and the content of the sketch ... It could hardly have been more stupid, inconsiderate and downright hateful IMO.
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Post by Dermot on Apr 17, 2015 13:17:06 GMT
Mickey Harte has been through a lot. Noone deserved what happened to him and we should cut him some slack.He brought a "weak" county from being just that to being 3 time AI winners in the space of one decade and that is more than most have achieved. We hear of Mayo and their tradition of football, They have 3 AIs won.I believe Bally thefireside when he relates stories of Donegal and Tyrone folk who still are in awe of our Kingdom and what they have achieved on the football field. That aside, there are those, like Mr. Heany in the Examiner, who would akin us to the tories across the water, and Mr. Brolly, who thinks we are just foulers and of course Dermot. These are the Kerry haters, forever trying to plant seeds of doubt in a ground that will eternally reject them. Eh, what ever you may think about the others you mentioned, I certainly dont "hate" Kerry ... You'll not find that quote from me on any past thread.. you will however find it from some others about their feelings re Tyrone.. Ive enjoyed the craic on here for years especially when we were competitive against you .. for us to win our 3 AIs beating Kerry at some stage on the way made them all the better .. and thats a compliment believe me !! Kerry are the target to get to and have been for most of my life so in the past there may have been heated moments with certain posters re differences of opinion but thats all, but as far as me "hating" Kerry, nope, never happened... Hell, I'll probably be there in the summer for my sins !!!
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Post by Dermot on Apr 17, 2015 13:20:58 GMT
Think the Kerry haters is strong Dan, I haven't found Dermot to be a Kerry hater. I know he and Sully don't see eye to eye (political answer), but I find his posts reasoned. I don't think Brolly hates Kerry either, despite the hyperbole horseshi*e like "When a team look Kerry in the eye" etc. Looks like he does hold grudges mind re: Mickey Harte. Cheers Fitzwop... And you're right about Brolly ... if the wee fecker hates anyone its us lol .. He is from Derry after all !!
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Post by Dermot on Apr 17, 2015 13:25:17 GMT
Im not sure if he had refused to talk to them over that, I thought it was just the catalyst to what happened next ! I dont agree with MH about Carty, he was completely wrong.. I disagree with his stance on many things (esp outside football) actually but everyone has their own opinions and that should be allowed..... But I can certainly see why he was very upset at that pathetic sketch.. Thankfully I (and hopefully most/all of us here) cant begin to imagine how hurtful this was to him and his family coming so shortly after his daughters murder and while it was still very much in the news... And Fitzwop's right as well ... That John Murray fella is about as funny as ... Well, something not very funny !! On a sidenote: how long do you think will sean Cavanagh continue? I think there is still a few years in him, but if Tyrone don't have some successes in the coming years it would be hard to put in all the work for little return. Who knows .. a year or two maybe ... He's lost a bit of speed but is still our best player when on form.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 15:31:25 GMT
Mickey Harte has been through a lot. Noone deserved what happened to him and we should cut him some slack.He brought a "weak" county from being just that to being 3 time AI winners in the space of one decade and that is more than most have achieved. We hear of Mayo and their tradition of football, They have 3 AIs won.I believe Bally thefireside when he relates stories of Donegal and Tyrone folk who still are in awe of our Kingdom and what they have achieved on the football field. That aside, there are those, like Mr. Heany in the Examiner, who would akin us to the tories across the water, and Mr. Brolly, who thinks we are just foulers and of course Dermot. These are the Kerry haters, forever trying to plant seeds of doubt in a ground that will eternally reject them. That's nonsense, Dermot has always been a very balanced and good spirited contributor. Keep it up Dermot!
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 17, 2015 16:06:08 GMT
The RTE sketch was appalling and tasteless, Harte's stance on Carthy was very flawed.
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Post by Dermot on Apr 17, 2015 17:47:26 GMT
Mickey Harte has been through a lot. Noone deserved what happened to him and we should cut him some slack.He brought a "weak" county from being just that to being 3 time AI winners in the space of one decade and that is more than most have achieved. We hear of Mayo and their tradition of football, They have 3 AIs won.I believe Bally thefireside when he relates stories of Donegal and Tyrone folk who still are in awe of our Kingdom and what they have achieved on the football field. That aside, there are those, like Mr. Heany in the Examiner, who would akin us to the tories across the water, and Mr. Brolly, who thinks we are just foulers and of course Dermot. These are the Kerry haters, forever trying to plant seeds of doubt in a ground that will eternally reject them. That's nonsense, Dermot has always been a very balanced and good spirited contributor. Keep it up Dermot! Cheers Feelo .. I knew I wasn't that bad lol
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 17, 2015 22:13:06 GMT
In your dreams
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Post by fitz on Apr 20, 2015 23:38:09 GMT
Admittedly a very late rehashing, but WTF was the free awarded against David Moran in injury time about? Agoggaghast. Watched it back again tonight. Christ we foul an awful lot, nothing new but the direct runners overlapping gives us trouble all day long. Too often our defenders get lulled into deluded sense of parity once they get parallel with the attacker only for the assailant to push the accelerator again. Jon Lyne's yellow was a text book example as was Griffin against Freeman in the Mayo game. Not picking on Jon as he'd a fine game otherwise. Again we're shipping huge scores and a lot of frees so this is main area for reform. Kealy took one crazy kick out. There's something about our Brendan, he could kick it into his own net, over the opposition bar from the length of the pitch or clock a lady spectator in the beak in the stand and....no reaction. The seeming indifference does bother me that as he could feel the need to dispatch a gift at any moment or more worrying at a crucial moment in a big game.
Paul Geaney got two great points.
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Post by Dermot on Apr 22, 2015 11:10:29 GMT
lol .. As long as Im still in your dreams Sully Im happy
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Apr 22, 2015 11:36:37 GMT
lol .. As long as Im still in your dreams Sully Im happy Would you like some privacy?
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 23, 2015 23:29:07 GMT
No....no I wouldn't
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