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Post by alonso on Sept 20, 2007 0:21:23 GMT
HomerJ, I think you're besing a tad harsh there. Sure Hayes and McHugh are talking nonsense but by and large the other Journos have been fair enough. Even Eugene McGee was positive overall in his analysis. It was a crap match for the neutral. No getting away from that. To be fair it usually is a great game when Kerry are beaten in a final because we make it great. Sure if we had lost by 10 points to Tyrone or Armagh those finals would not be considered great or even good. We may not enjoy losing but to most neutrals those games were much more enjoyable than watching us beat teams off the park. Fact of life I'm afraid. For the record I do think we are a great team and to be fair most journos have made that point this week be they Dublin based or not. keith barr really surprised me with his honesty and his praise of our great team. and there are exciting times ahead with all d class young players coming up
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Post by peig on Sept 20, 2007 9:49:38 GMT
who are we here in a county (kerry) with only half the knowledge and expierence of football ,that a county like meath would have ,to disagree with an absolute legendary midfielder. [glow=red,2,300]A man who took CARLOW to unscaled heights [/glow]and afterwards had evry county in Ireland knocking at his door to lead their counties down the same path of glory.[glow=red,2,300]A man who when he retired had so many celtic crosses[/glow] in his arse pocket (2) he often mistaken them for spare change.We should feel privelleged that a man of that callibre even acknowledges the existence of mere minnows (and named a few of our players) such as ourselves....thank you liam And afterwards had the neck to suggest Carlow should change their county colours as the red, green and yellow of Carlow just reminded people down there of losing!! He wears them around his neck. That's why he's known as Snoop Foggy Weather!
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Post by JOAN on Sept 20, 2007 12:34:55 GMT
you had a padded seat so joan,nice one,i suppose the seats on the planes are a bit hard alright,especially after along transathlantic flight. Not quiet the padded area yet Kerrygold a little to the left of it. But I am working on that for the future
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 20, 2007 12:39:10 GMT
fair play
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Post by kerryman99 on Sept 23, 2007 20:13:24 GMT
Did liam have an article in the paper today?
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Post by falveyb2k on Sept 23, 2007 21:12:40 GMT
Yeah a lot of contradictions and crap in it. Said Kerry were above the pile all year long(funny considering his predictions), Darragh had no real influence last Sunday and Cooper didn't play too well(I know, he was really clutching for straws!). Ended up having a pot shot at John O Keeffe without mentioning his name either. Johnno said in his column that this Kerry team deserve to be ranked with his own, now you think that Johnno wouldn't say that unless it was deserved, after all why would he pay the ultimate compliment when he didn't have to. However, Liam unsurprisingly disagreed with this saying it was guff. Oh the irony of it all.............
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Post by shennanigan on Sept 24, 2007 7:29:16 GMT
If anybody has access Tom Humphries and Keith Duggans articles from the Times on Saturday they are well worth posting.
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Post by homerj on Sept 24, 2007 8:22:15 GMT
i briefly read the article on the train up to the pale yesterday and another pile of crap it was. random things like gooch was not that good the last day and one quote was "so the gooch scored 1-5. good for him". this lad just cannot write. i work with a lad from meath, who hates his guts. to quote him " that lad writes about GAA, just like he played football for us.....badly!".
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Post by ticketless on Sept 24, 2007 8:24:57 GMT
I swore blind after Hayes earlier article... that I would never again buy the Tribune. herself bought the tribune yesterday and while I was at the Feale Rangers V Kilcumin game she text me to say I should read hayes article... I did! I think poor old Liam has small mans disease etc. I will agree Copper did not have a sublime game in the final... just as well... cos if he did...Kerry would have beaten Cork by 20pts. Cooper had an above average game by his standards...but not sublime...even with an above average game he still marshalled the Kerry forward line... who ended up putting up the biggest score against Cork in a long time. As for Dara... Dara was average also. I mean look at the stats... Dara outplayed Murphy.... and it was from Midfiled that Kerry won their 35th AI. So all in all.... Liam Hayes is talking... CRAP!
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 24, 2007 9:31:44 GMT
again hayes took the lid of the manhole and wiped his paper in the sewer and gutter.
i didnt read any articles the saturday before the semi and final this year nor on all-ireland sunday morning,i recon i enjoyed the games more and formed my own opinions.
some of these former players i suppose have to justify the 1300 euro fee they get per program on the sunday game and i suppose something similar for articles.
considering the gaa are fully amateur and its players even more so, some of the down right scour and slurs dirrected at the kerry players this summer leaves alot to be desired from certain print and tv media. Every kerry player this morning is either in their class room,on the beat,in their office,on their building site or work shop,behind their bank counter or in their college lecture,considering they play football purely for love of the game to represent their club,parish and county and to strive for sporting excellence in the time allowed because of work commitments some of the comments directed at these lads this summer,a team who have contested 4 finals in a row winning three of them by a combined total of 33 points,are miss directed,ill informed and down right tastless and over the top.
its pretty sad what an all-ireland medal or two in the back pocket of certain people can do to them,over the last few seasons,i've lost total repect for large number of these people.
the gaa is amatuer,the players strive for sporting brillance and excellence in their spare time,considering the constraints due to work commitments, its my opinion that the kerry players have adjusted to the challenges around them and have achieved sporting excellence over the last 11 seasons,to say otherwise doesnt deserve to command respect from the public.
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Post by butchy on Sept 24, 2007 13:29:17 GMT
Somehow i'd say Canty and Shields might not agree with Hayes saying Gooch was "above average". This lack of respect for the Gooch by Liam Hayes is hard to believe when you consider the Gooch has played in 4 finals in a row now scoring a total of 3-17. (1-05: Mayo'04, 0-05: Tyrone'05, 1-02: Mayo'06, 1-05: Cork'07). Shows he does it when it matters most on the big stage on the big day.
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Post by JOAN on Sept 24, 2007 15:03:10 GMT
yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn... Hayes is a ass
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Post by seamus on Sept 24, 2007 15:43:02 GMT
anyone got the article?
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Post by tabbyie on Sept 24, 2007 17:50:25 GMT
Kerry the strongest of the lot
IT'S important to fully congratulate Kerry on their third All Ireland victory in four years, and it's also necessary to commiserate with the county on having to experience a third farcical crowning moment to the season over this same set of four quick summers.
This Kerry team deserved a better and more suitable ending to the 2007 championship. They were the strongest and gutsiest, and easily the most focused football team in the entire country over the last five months. Their new manager was a calm and outstanding leader in what was for him, personally, a massively pressurised first year in charge.
And they played good football too. Kerry were very good and very solid all through, and when they needed to dig deep in the quarter-final test against Monaghan, Pat O'Shea's lads did him especially proud.
In all, O'Shea and his team are the most deserving of champions. Only Monaghan, in 2007, came really close to matching Kerry's undoubted qualities as a team.
After that, in truth, there was nobody.
Therefore, it also has to be stated, this morning, what a rat's ass of an All Ireland senior football championship we have just paid good money to witness. In Ulster, despite being riddled with injuries and injustices week after week, Tyrone miraculously came out on top . . . not that that says very much about the other members of the much proclaimed toughest and proudest provincial championship in the land.
In Leinster, Dublin stayed on top without getting into a great sweat, and Meath showed signs of life, but after that we're already happy to forget low grade football right across the board. In Connacht there was no sign of Roscommon, Mayo or Galway coming out to play serious football with their friends. And that left Kerry and Cork, in the south . . . and we have just seen up close what each of these teams are honestly made of. Steel in Kerry's case, but Cork, even after three years hard at work under Billy Morgan, are made up of a much more pliable substance.
It would have been better for everybody last Sunday, and especially the Kerry team and its supporters, if those three ridiculous goals had never happened. Kerry would still have won by the five or six or seven points we all had forecast, and this team which I have wondered about in the recent past, and still wonder about today, could have walked away from Croke Park tall and proud.
I actually felt a little sorry for Kerry on this occasion. After two utterly forgettable All Ireland final victories with Jack O'Connor, the team comes to Croker with a new man on the sideline, to meet their greatest adversaries in one of the most tempting of deciders of the last quarter or half a century, and we get the antics and general bungling normally featured in one of the mini-games played out between Croker's mini-goalposts.
None of that was Kerry's fault. The champions were way below par and never looked like living up to the great occasion themselves in the first 35 minutes . . . and the only 35 minutes . . . of the contest. But, certainly, Kerry were ready to up their performance, and looked mentally prepared to go toe-totoe with whoever or whatever appeared in front of them. You sensed that they had enough men on the field who were ready to become heroes.
And, none more so that someone whom I have, over the last two months, singled out as possibly not being of county material. Seamus Scanlon is the latest in a long line of footballers who have appeared alongside Darragh O Se and perished . . . for whatever number of reasons. Fifteen midfielders, I'm informed, have come and gone in Darragh's lifetime.
Last Sunday, however, it was young Scanlon who settled down first to the business at hand, and who thereby did more than anybody else on the field . . . bar Aidan O'Mahony, possibly, who was also exemplary and quite magnificent . . . to help settle a very nervy and over-reaching Kerry team.
To Seamus Scanlon, I offer my unreserved apologies. He was terrific in that faulty opening 20 minutes, winning good ball, making himself available, and tackling hard. Scanlon, indeed, was doing the business even before Darragh O Se arrived on the scene last Sunday afternoon. O Se was okay last Sunday. Just okay. He contributed here and there, but there was nothing solid about his performance. And the Gooch, also, was well short of being fantastic. He scored one goal and five points, and good for him.
His goal was a dreadful act of folly by the Cork goalkeeper and his last three points were, for him, served up on a plate. Cooper is a great footballer, but it would be entirely idiotic for anybody to seriously put a value on his performance in this All Ireland final because he was never pressurised for long or asked, forcibly, to be magical. Getting into cheerleading hysterics about the Gooch, on this occasion, is really quite unnecessary.
This game of football probably let Colm Cooper down more than anyone else on the field. A man of his incredible quality needs to have it demanded of him, on the third Sunday in September, to offer up something much more substantial and sublime than just another training ground routine. That's all we saw from him. One flukey goal (the sort of goal he would have got away with any evening in Killarney, but which should have left him in need of an oxygen mask, at the very least, in an All Ireland final, if either the goalkeeper or the defender was doing his job properly), and an incredible miss with the goal gaping in front of him a couple of minutes later. After rounding one man, and slipping inside another, and then officially recording one of the worst shots of the year, Colm Cooper, ideally, needed to leave his special mark on the second half of the game.
Instead, all we got were a smattering of easy points which, even Seamus Moynihan, if he came down from the stand in his walking shoes, probably would have scored.
When Colm Cooper is older and greyer, and long retired, he'll want to look back on games 10 times bigger and more overpowering by their nature than the 2007 All Ireland football final, if he is to feel perfectly happy with himself.
Cooper, and this Kerry team, now needs a real test and some worthy opponents, if they are to discover just how good they can be in life. Ideally, one such opponent might pop their heads up in the air next year at a time when Kerry will be counting down to three-in-a-row of All Ireland titles.
We will have to wait, anxiously, through the winter months.
Dublin appear stuck . . . both the team and their manager, and it's hard to see either being a whole lot different in 2008. Tyrone have collided against a brick wall. Armagh have stopped, and have to start again. Galway have gone through the floorboards.
Mayo? God help us, who knows? Meath and Laois have bigger dreams than teams ready to live up to these dreams at this point in time. Go through the provinces, one by one, and it's fairly obvious, Gaelic football is in a troubled time. Monaghan, and only Monaghan in my book, have been steadily, brick by brick, building themselves up into a formidable team these last three years, and that's why I thought they had more than a decent chance of beating Kerry in the quarter-final. I thought Dublin would beat Kerry too, but, unfortunately, I was misguided. It happens to those of us who live in Dublin. Some of us have greater belief in Dublin than the Dublin team or team management have in themselves, seems to me.
It was Kerry's year alright, and I congratulate Pat O'Shea and his players. These lads, some of them still only kids and some of them still barely county men, could easily count out another two or three All Irelands before they call it quits.
If that starts happening, I would caution Gaelic football fans all over Ireland, including Kerry men and women, to keep their heads.
One member of the greatest Kerry team of all time, at the start of this week, announced that this Kerry team was destined to share the same stage as himself and his illustrious teammates. Honestly and truly, this sort of old guff has no place in any serious analysis of modern day Gaelic football.
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Post by scoobydo on Sept 24, 2007 18:29:32 GMT
What a load of toss. And Liam this sort of guff has no place in any serious analysis of modern day Gaelic football.
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Post by falveyb2k on Sept 24, 2007 19:59:59 GMT
I meant to get the times at the weekend but forgot, I would love to read those articles, anybody have them?
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Post by Die Hard Kerry Fan on Sept 24, 2007 20:22:56 GMT
Lads, I think it's time we started to not even bother putting Hayes' articles in here. After all, we can all see that they're just a load of bollocks.
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Post by JOAN on Sept 24, 2007 21:09:57 GMT
here here
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Post by wayupnorth on Sept 24, 2007 21:33:18 GMT
Oh Liam Hayes, oh Liam Hayes! Why try to damn us with faint praise? You said we never would survive, But we've got Sam and 35!
UP THE KINGDOM!!!!
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Post by Jo90 on Sept 25, 2007 8:52:43 GMT
Lads, I think it's time we started to not even bother putting Hayes' articles in here. After all, we can all see that they're just a load of bollocks. I think the opposite. Always put the articles here so that nobody is going out to buy the tribune specifically to read Liam Hayes (which I'm sure some people are doing) or visiting tribune.ie and eventually he'll be fired. The poor fella will really be racking his one brain cell over the next few weeks over what to write now that his one dimensional pieces about Kerry can no longer be churned out.
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Post by fenit67 on Sept 25, 2007 12:03:35 GMT
One day perhaps Mr.Hayes will realise that this team is indeed a great one. I would call for him to fall honourably on his sword but he would most probably be unable to find the right end. Sir you do your profession a great disservice in constantly belittling a team that has raised its standards from one year to the next and those of the teams that they encounter. In order to gauge the reaction in the county then rather ask the young boys and girls of the county. Finally it seems in your world that Kerry having won "soft" finals is a clear indication that suddenly every other county has become bad! Please desist from dragging the name of journalism, football and Kerry through the mud and concentrate more on rebuilding your reputation such as it is.
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Post by surfdude62 on Sept 25, 2007 14:27:34 GMT
Look lads, the man gave his opinion and just wants a reaction out of everyone!I don't buy into any of it to be honest but let him have his rant or whatever.At the end of the day kerry have 35 all-ireland titles and statistics don't lie.Whats great about kerry is that our team do all the talking on the pitch and represent the people of kerry in a way that no other county can match!Yeah its nice for lads to be getting all stars but at the end of the day its an all-ireland medal that counts to the player himself.This time next month people will be saying "Liam who?".
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Post by JOAN on Sept 25, 2007 15:05:21 GMT
For all the negitive he wrote about the Kerry team the lads turned it into a positive sooooooo for that maybe we should say thank you, but as regard his style of writing and his knowledge of the game... all I can say there must be a major blue haze in his place when he is writting!!!!!!!!!! I really think we have trashed this topic out enough and should move on...
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Post by Aine on Sept 25, 2007 15:47:53 GMT
He is only a joke and had dug a hole so big for himself he might as well just keep on going down. Anyone with an ounce of knowledge about gaa knows that what he is writing is pure bullsh1t so let him get on with his little rants because nobody who matters gives a damn anymore. Scurrilous indeed!!
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 1, 2007 9:58:45 GMT
I wonder what does hayes think of irelands shambloic world cup performances in france seeing as those guys are averaging 500k a year or in other words 10 grand a week to prepare for rugby games undindered by the day job, seeing as he saw fit to slate kerrys professional controlled displays at the business end of the championship once they got the delayed monaghan game out of their systems in their capacity as full time amature gaa players.
eamonn sweenys article is worth a read from the back page of yesterdays indo in the sports section,its hard not to feel he is fairly accurate in it.
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Post by Walter Mitty on Oct 1, 2007 13:02:41 GMT
eamonn sweenys article is worth a read from the back page of yesterdays indo in the sports section,its hard not to feel he is fairly accurate in it. I actually emailed him complementing him on the article. Excellent article. he is spot on.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 1, 2007 19:22:51 GMT
Dear Liam
No doubt you regularly dip into this forum to guage reaction.
Thanks for providing Kerry with such motivation.
Keep up the good work.
Mickmack
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