JOAN
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Post by JOAN on Aug 30, 2007 3:20:23 GMT
Why is there 8 pages on this plonker. Lets move off this topic and hope he comes out with another idiotic statement that will be brought out at half time against Cork. Could not agree with macker more. Enough.. he did his bit a drove the boys on to put them into another all ireland final..
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Post by Piggy on Aug 30, 2007 8:41:51 GMT
id say we've enough said about the tool at this stage.we're all in agreement that he's the worse analyst of any sport of all time.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 30, 2007 9:36:40 GMT
Just read the Kerryman this morning. They interviewed him yesterday for a reaction and he stood by his article and expanded it by saying that there have been several great teams of the last 20 years: Meath in the late eighties Cork team that won beack to back Down Galway Armagh Tyrone Kerry and that..... wait for it....... he would put Kerry bottom of that pile!! What a tool!! Here are the facts: Kerry played Armagh 4 times winning 2, drawing 1 and losing 1 by a point Galway have never threatened us apart from the drawn '00 final. We annihalated them in '02. Tyrone had a great team from '03 to '05 without a doubt but have not been able to reproduce it. We coped without Moynihan, McCarthy, Fitzmaurice and even Darragh for most of Sunday. They did not have strength in depth. We also won in '04 without Darragh and Seamus Cork and Meath were reasonable but not great Kerry keep producing talent, other counties don't. That is the difference. We don't have A great team but continuous excellence at the top table. In recent years we have lost Hassett Cinneide Kirby Daly McCarthy Moynihan Fitzmaurice Maurice the Great Good analysis. The Kerry team are the best team of this decade, no question. Down were not a great team, and lucky to win the 2nd All-I, Galway were along similar lines, as were the Meath team of the 90s, Armagh, Tyrone (so far) I still think Hayes, apart from the stupid omissions of Moynihan, Cooper & Fitzgerald as great players (Cooper BECOMING one, still a bit to do, and that's more or less what he said), that the general gist was the same as he has written about Meath and many other teams and players. I dont read it as insult, rather as what those players & teams would be asking themselves, the standard they would be setting themselves, the kind of thoughts & doubts & questions that many actually think, but would not have the guts to say
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Post by Piggy on Aug 30, 2007 11:22:09 GMT
he has a funny way of expressing himself if thats what he was trying to get across.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 30, 2007 15:35:50 GMT
he has a funny way of expressing himself if thats what he was trying to get across. I think it's good when writers try to use a challenging angle, but I agree, when it's just abuse or attention-seeking/shock effect, then it's the worst journalism. I dont believe Hayes is that, but I do think he has very extreme ideas about what constitutes "greatness"
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Post by outsider23 on Aug 30, 2007 15:43:46 GMT
Good analysis. The Kerry team are the best team of this decade, no question. Down were not a great team, and lucky to win the 2nd All-I, Galway were along similar lines, as were the Meath team of the 90s, Armagh, Tyrone (so far) I think this Kerry team and the Tyrone team of '05 would be an almighty tussle. Dooher, O'Neill, McGuigan & Canavan in their prime vs. Gooch, Donaghy, Galvin.. wouldn't be much in it at all..
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 30, 2007 20:00:20 GMT
He has been asked to do a follow up to his article next sunday. Humble pie or Stick to his guns? If Austin stacks abu can do it....... Liam Hayes can do it
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Post by peig on Aug 30, 2007 21:51:10 GMT
I just received word from home that Liam Hayes was on Radio Kerry tonight and said that the Kerry Golden Years team were weaker than the Galway team, Down team and Wexford team of yore. Apparently he said that the four in a row team rank after some of the great teams of other counties, which can only mean those above..... Where before I passed his article of the weekend off as senseless tripe, now he is insulting what is regarded, by men such as Enda Colleran of the Galway team of the '60's, as the greatest team of all team. I'm vexed. Again, this tripe from Foggy Weather only serves to confirm that he CRAVES attention; I've posted before that he wants to be this Dunphy-esque type figure. Radio Kerry should go out of their way to invite him back in the near future. And when it's time to read out emails and texts, guess what - there are none. Cos nobody is listening/taking any notice of him. Interview cut short. Goodnight, Foggy. ;D
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 30, 2007 21:55:27 GMT
Sorry Peig.....I got the text today from the interview on Monday.....I rang home when I got it.....hence the confirmation!! Still, my thoughts stand.
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Post by peig on Aug 30, 2007 23:06:00 GMT
Sorry Peig.....I got the text today from the interview on Monday.....I rang home when I got it.....hence the confirmation!! Still, my thoughts stand. I'd still love if Radio Kerry got him back to do an interview. Weeshie: "Well Liam, it has to be said now that there were a lot of Kerry people who were not very happy with your article in...what paper is it again, Liam?" Foggy: "Eh...The Sunday Tribune, Weeshie." Weeshie: "Yeah, yeah. Anyway, you riled a lot of people in the Kingdom with that thing before the Dublin game." Foggy: "I seem to have done... *laughs smugly* ...I never realised Kerry people, of all people, were so sensitive... *laughs smugly again*...What I was merely stating at the time was--- Weeshie: "Right, we'll go for a break there now. Stay with us here on Terrace Talk. Back shortly." And when it came to texts and emails, there are NONE; not one!! Oh, how I would laugh!!
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Post by binladen on Aug 30, 2007 23:07:17 GMT
lets forget about this. this is what he wants. he lacks what kerry teams have in abundance which is class on and off d field. ask colm o rourke.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 31, 2007 22:57:06 GMT
Liam Hayes is just John Bannon with a biro
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Post by KevinT on Sept 1, 2007 6:12:22 GMT
Unfortunately the Tribune are now using Hayes' piece as a marketing tool and have been advertising on Radio Kerry . Apparently they will be publishing letters from angry Kerry fans .
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 1, 2007 14:23:23 GMT
Did you expect any less? It's the most talked about article from the Tribune since God knows when. Of course they're going to use it to sell papers!!
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Post by mozzy on Sept 1, 2007 15:03:39 GMT
Excellent Mickmack - dead on.
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Post by mafi97 on Sept 1, 2007 16:22:51 GMT
Dear Liam, Having been away for a few days, I was initially surprised to find that your contribution to the corpus of Sports Literature is still cause of much angst and comment. But quick reflection brought to mind your Primary Objective in all this. No doubt you are familar with the little contretemps of 1968 when people assumed that Joe Lennon (Down for younger readers - and not so young) actually gave a damn about the state of football in Kerry. Down having won the All-Ireland of 1968, Captain Joe Lennon accepted the Sam Maguire and as we waited in our collective disconsolate state for the usual mix of rhetoric and banality culminating in the tribute to the beaten team and it's time-honoured Three Cheers - Joe decided that this All-Ireland was different. You see - Joe had an agenda. He announced that HE had arranged for ALL the Down Team to autograph the matchball (now the fact that he held up the autographed ball at the same time, demonstrated that this was definitely the matchball), and HE was going to arrange for it to be auctioned to alleviate the suffering of the poor people in Biafra. Sure we all thought that the Biafran crisis was as good as over with Joe riding to the rescue. Even Bono could not compete with such chutzpah. Of course, with all the highminded sentiments about Biafra, the question of sportmanship towards the losers got lost along the way. No Three Cheers - Kerry were simply ignored. Of course if you are in the course of building a brand, something has to go. Now Liam, you would never be so needy - er, would you. If good old Joe just wanted to rub Kerry's nose in it, he would have left at that. There is nothing worse than being ignored - Right!!!!! Liam. The following Sunday Joe started out on his new media career (which in turn was to market the new brand - Joe Lennon) with the assertion that "Kerry Football was ten years behind the time". Verily, I say unto you that if you think the contumely visited upon your head was heartwarmingly of burst pipe proportions - the deluge released on poor Joe was ----- look Liam, have you ever stood under a cow that was being hoisted high in the air on to a boat? ??.. While the posters of the day were venting their spleen, the maligned footballers of Kerry retreated to their mountain fastnesses and told nobody of their resolve "to throw together a two in a row" - but just went ahead and did it. Of course, Joe did not care - he was creating possibly the first brand in the GAA. You are a little different, Liam. But sure if all else fails, FAS have huge unutilised budgets and would be glad to run with a series of courses with the working title "How to revive a tired old brand, which keeps dying". I will refrain from giving you any advice - I'm sure you have a well planned roadmap all ready to roll out - "shure" you have been here many times before. All the best, Mafi. P.S. It is amazing how an insightful comment from an expert will immediately give you a completely different perspective on things. For years, I thought that Seamus Moynihan had the fifteen top attributes of a footballer. Now I can see clearly (but only when it was pointed out to me) what a fake he was as a player. I can tell you that he had me really fooled for years. But then that is the role of the expert.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 1, 2007 20:05:38 GMT
I remember my late father, God rest him, being absolutely livid with Joe Lennon for a foot trip on Brendan Lynch ( i think) in the 1968 final. Brendan Lynch was flying through like Darren o Sullivan and Lennon took the two legs from under him with a kick.
I thought our smashing new second hand black and white one channel television was going to be fecked out through the window.
"and he writes in the paper about how the game should be played" was all I could hear.
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Post by JOAN on Sept 2, 2007 4:04:31 GMT
I thought we were moving from this topic... Lets move on lads..
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Post by homerj on Sept 2, 2007 9:35:41 GMT
just heard a repeat of his radio kerry interview there.....the lad is lapping this up, bet he is on a big bonus for this and the tribune sales figures are up today. this is journalism to a tee, create a big controversial story and wait for the reaction. anybody get their letters published in the paper today? i was going to buy the paper but said F**k it, would leave that lad fool me into readin more crap.
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Post by kingdomkerry on Sept 2, 2007 16:55:10 GMT
i was the same was down at the newsagent was very tempted, but said i wouldnt give him what he wanted?
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 2, 2007 17:30:28 GMT
To be honest, Liam's article today makes no sense. There is no narrative structure to it at all - I nearly gave up twice trying to figure out what he's saying.
So, he's entitled to his view on Maurice, and it's one that has been given before by others. He's well short of standard IQ marks when he says that Seamus isn't a giant of the game - yet praises the Galway team of the 90's, which Seamus almost single handly took apart through his titanic battle with Padraic Joyce in 2000.
He rests his case by saying that Kerry are one game away from being considered a top team of the past 20 years, after saying that to date they haven't achieved that mark and are well short of that mark. How can one game move them up the pecking order so rapidly Liam? Again, this article was making little or no sense for the most part.
However, buried underneath it all - he has one dig at us, the Kerry football fans.....and boy oh boy, will Liam not be welcome in Kerry again.
"And just because Kerry folk tell themselves that the 'Pony' and Maurice and a rake of others were the greatest of all time, does not add up to 'diddly' amongst the nation's Gaelic football fans, who really know, and live and breathe, the game."
Liam, you have just catagorically stated that Kerry people are less knowledgeable about football than those from other counties. The very people who live, eat and sleep football and can recount every utterly useless moment of your self proclaimed mediocre career, as well as analyise, disect and understand football with a far greater passion and understanding than almost every other GAA fan I've ever met (and through my work I've met alot of GAA fans and GAA 'stars'). There is no empirical evidence to back this assertion, but consider the amount of print dedicated to the Kerry fan and their knowledge of and passion for GAA by finer journalists such as Tom Humphries, Con Houlihan, Keith Duggan (a Donegal man!), Paddy Downey, Sean Kilfeather and Padraig Purcell among others proves that yet again, Liam, you have chosen ill considered words with no truth to them.
Kerry is a county obsessed with the national game. The amount of talent we have produced down through the years isn't purely as a result of fresh air, mountains, lakes and the battling Atlantic ocean. It's as a result of dedication to the game, of educating our young in the art of pure football. Time and again Kerry have produced giants of the game - Con Brosnan, Mick O'Connell, Mick O'Dwyer, Jack O'Shea, Seamus Moynihan. You don't produce giants of the game time and again unless those around you know something of the game!!
As for your self deprecating remarks about your career - indeed you weren't a giant. Indeed, we were unfortunate enough to have you represent Ireland. Indeed Liam, you did have a mediocre career where one All Star was, at best a debatable decision. To think you deserved two is an indication of your understanding of the game of Gaelic Football.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2007 18:36:23 GMT
Liam Hayes is like Cluxton........... will be remembered for his gaffes rather than the good things
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 2, 2007 18:40:11 GMT
Oh, and Kieran Shannon's article was what journalism should be about. Opinionated, statistically supplimented, intriguing. It even had narrative!!
His point about Kerry being second best on occasion to Tyrone and Armagh is true - and that final in 2005 is the one that may forever seperate the present Kerry team from moving into the pantheon to join the Golden Years team and the three in a row team of Con Brosnan. Until such time as they can actually play a 100% Tyrone again, and beat them that is a reality that must be faced. Kerry of the seventies beat Dublin, then lost to them twice before beating them again a number of times. Kerry haven't beaten Tyrone yet. That's the catch.
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Post by tyroneperson on Sept 2, 2007 18:52:30 GMT
Can someone post today's article from yer man Hayes, please?
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Post by KevinT on Sept 2, 2007 19:07:05 GMT
i was the same was down at the newsagent was very tempted, but said i wouldnt give him what he wanted? Stacks sizes up todays tripe from Hayes very well . However it was worth buying for Kieran Shannons well written piece.
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Post by betfairking on Sept 2, 2007 19:12:47 GMT
Can someone post today's article from yer man Hayes, please? It's only £1.65 to buy and there is plenty of other good articles in it. ;D
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 2, 2007 19:27:02 GMT
Really sounds like Hayes is on a wind-up now with comments like that.
Mickmack, Stevie will be remembered for all those soft All-Stars he got
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2007 20:07:09 GMT
Did anyone ever read Liam Hayes book.......... I did about 10 years ago.
Prior to one all ireland he had difficulty staying focussed .......... so the Meath management got him to keep his mind on the O'NEILL logo on the ball. This is true.
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Post by martym on Sept 2, 2007 20:10:01 GMT
Oh, and Kieran Shannon's article was what journalism should be about. Opinionated, statistically supplimented, intriguing. It even had narrative!! His point about Kerry being second best on occasion to Tyrone and Armagh is true - and that final in 2005 is the one that may forever seperate the present Kerry team from moving into the pantheon to join the Golden Years team and the three in a row team of Con Brosnan, until such time as they can actually play a 100% Tyrone again, and beat them. Kerry of the seventies beat Dublin, then lost to them twice before beating them again a number of times. Kerry haven't beaten Tyrone yet. That's the catch. It can be argued both ways Kerry lost 76 and 77 yet beat an ageing Dublin team in 78 and 79 , With regards Tyrone of 2005 I agree they were great champions but have now lost Canavan and cannot get back to the big stage , Football is now much more competative than the 70 .
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 2, 2007 20:11:04 GMT
Oh, and Kieran Shannon's article was what journalism should be about. Opinionated, statistically supplimented, intriguing. It even had narrative!! His point about Kerry being second best on occasion to Tyrone and Armagh is true - and that final in 2005 is the one that may forever seperate the present Kerry team from moving into the pantheon to join the Golden Years team and the three in a row team of Con Brosnan, until such time as they can actually play a 100% Tyrone again, and beat them. Kerry of the seventies beat Dublin, then lost to them twice before beating them again a number of times. Kerry haven't beaten Tyrone yet. That's the catch. It can be argued both ways Kerry lost 76 and 77 yet beat an ageing Dublin team in 78 and 79 , With regards Tyrone of 2005 I agree they were great champions but have now lost Canavan and cannot get back to the big stage , Football is now much more competative than the 70 . Good points.
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