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Post by Hoffster on Sept 2, 2007 20:20:02 GMT
Have to agree with ASABU.The Kieran Shannon article was very insightful and thorough. He even had a pop at Hayes " WHATEVER IT IS ABOUT THE WAY THE PLANETS ARE ALIGNED AT THIS TIME OF YEAR BUT WHEN LIAM HAS TO ASSESS KERRY-MAYO,MAYO-DUBLIN OR KERRY-DUBLIN, HE TENDS TO GO INTO AN ORBIT AND SOLAR SYSTEM OF HIS OWN.ITS UNFORTUNATE."
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Post by Aine on Sept 3, 2007 1:44:55 GMT
Pity he doesn't stay there!!!
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Post by Owenabue on Sept 3, 2007 10:22:12 GMT
Can someone post today's article from yer man Hayes, please? I wouldn't be bothered reading it to be honest. I did, just for the laugh, and nothing earth shattering or interesting.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 3, 2007 10:24:27 GMT
Oh, and Kieran Shannon's article was what journalism should be about. Opinionated, statistically supplimented, intriguing. It even had narrative!! His point about Kerry being second best on occasion to Tyrone and Armagh is true - and that final in 2005 is the one that may forever seperate the present Kerry team from moving into the pantheon to join the Golden Years team and the three in a row team of Con Brosnan. Until such time as they can actually play a 100% Tyrone again, and beat them that is a reality that must be faced. Kerry of the seventies beat Dublin, then lost to them twice before beating them again a number of times. Kerry haven't beaten Tyrone yet. That's the catch. tyrone didnt beat kerry in '05 because they were superior to us or because they were a better team than us,in 13 days times we might just realise what a tragedy the final of '05 really was.
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Post by lostinmayo on Sept 3, 2007 13:42:22 GMT
can anyone post Shannon's article here... i refuse to buy that paper, and ye all should have aswell....
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Post by Owenabue on Sept 3, 2007 13:47:47 GMT
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Post by lostinmayo on Sept 3, 2007 14:24:55 GMT
oh thks, didn't see that thread
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Post by badbilly on Sept 4, 2007 12:15:45 GMT
I will agree with that idiot Hayes on one thing - for this team almost everything is riding on the Cork game. Win it and they will be remembered as a great team, lose and they'll be forever considered underachievers.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 4, 2007 13:28:10 GMT
I will agree with that idiot Hayes on one thing - for this team almost everything is riding on the Cork game. Win it and they will be remembered as a great team, lose and they'll be forever considered underachievers. Before the Tyrone 05 final we believed that if Kerry lost that game they would never be considered a great team. We bounced back with one all ireland and into another final this year. This current group of Kerry players dont look like going into the doldrums anytime soon.
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Post by tyroneperson on Sept 4, 2007 13:30:31 GMT
No way could Kerry be considered unachievers, 4 all-irelands in the last 10 years (or possibly 3 out of 4 all-irelands for the current team if they beat Cork).
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Post by badbilly on Sept 4, 2007 15:30:17 GMT
I will agree with that idiot Hayes on one thing - for this team almost everything is riding on the Cork game. Win it and they will be remembered as a great team, lose and they'll be forever considered underachievers. Before the Tyrone 05 final we believed that if Kerry lost that game they would never be considered a great team. We bounced back with one all ireland and into another final this year. This current group of Kerry players dont look like going into the doldrums anytime soon. And it's still an asterisk against this team. Dont get me wrong buck02, I think they are a great team and should be rememebered as such. All I'm saying is 3 out of 4 is this era will brook no arguments. 2 out of 4 will lead to futher (incorrect in my view) questioning of their status.
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Post by falveyb2k on Sept 4, 2007 19:26:36 GMT
I wouldn't pay any attention to others views, look Hayes has said Maurice Fitzgerald underachieved and played more bad games than good ones in Croke Park! I mean come on, what other footballer could do what he did in the 97 final with all that pressure on him. It just shows Hayes' hatred for us. At least we're good enough for him to be jealous of us and that's what must really stick in his throat
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 4, 2007 20:07:39 GMT
regardless of what happens on sunday week it is pure horse sh1te to suggest this kerry team has under achieved,to say maurice has played more bad games in croker than good games is n even bigger pile of pig sh1te in fairness.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 4, 2007 20:15:16 GMT
'91 semi final v down,maurice superb, '96 final v mayo,maurice superb on the forty, '97 all-ireland final,maurice danced on the croker sod like a prince from mystical times. '98 semi final,maurice had a poor game,very poor in fact v kildare. '00,maurice was superb in all four croker apperance that year and lead kerry again to the sam maguire cup,goal,free kick,pass to mfr sping to mind. '01,couldnt be judged as the whole kerry team collasped and maurice was a late second half sub. '02,would have kicked the sideline ball v armagh.
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Post by falveyb2k on Sept 4, 2007 20:28:08 GMT
98 he was our top scorer on very poor ball supply. When he was moved out to the 40 late on he nearly won it for Kerry. Mick O Dwyer said afterwards he was amazed he wasn't moved out earlier on
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Post by ciarrai33 on Sept 5, 2007 9:33:07 GMT
00 replay final, Maurice was outstanding when he came on. I still remember him catching a kick out in midfield, takind about 2 solos and kicking a great point. What about 97 V Cavan, too far back for me to remember.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 5, 2007 9:53:20 GMT
maurice was maurice v cavan,quiet superb,gave a peach of a pass to mike frank late in the game from distance for mfr to goal and seal the tie.
falvey,brian lacey held maurice well that day,kerry had become dependent on maurice by then,bit like the gooch '05,and their attack completely broke down the following year v cork. lacey and maurice had a history going into that game from a challenge game v kildare in waterville earlier in the summer that might have had something to do with laceys zestfull marking of maurice in the semi.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 5, 2007 11:09:47 GMT
I also remember a Kerry v Tipp Munster C'ship game when Lacey played for Tipp prior to Micko "persuading" him to move to Kildare. The game was in Tralee, an absolute scorcher of a day, either 96 or 97. Lacey gave Fitz some doing that day, I never seen as bad. At one stage Fitz got so sick of it he, shall we say, made Lacey's teeth connect with his elbow. Not like Maurice at al but I wouldnt blame him.
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Post by trevor73 on Sept 6, 2007 10:13:06 GMT
LONGEVITY
Injuries and tragedy permitting the Tyrone team haven't showed that - they haven't kept going back to the well like Kerry - defeats against teams like MAYO!!!!! - Laois - etc -
Galway-Meath-Tyrone have had period of dominance - but since 97 KERRY have been there - year in year out -
and as for Hayes (the journalist who as Kieran Shannon says lives in another solar system) - saying Maurice didn't deliver in Croker -
BULLSHI*****
You can come up with all the names you want - neutrals that is - but Maurice in my opinion (I didn't really see Mick O Connell) was the most GIFTED player I ever saw - and that includes Sheehy et al. He was genius - class - poetry in motion personified - 97 IMO was the best individual display in an All Ireland EVER!
His goal against Armagh in the 200 SF
His South Kerry wonder kick which Murhur posted
His free against Dublin in 2001
His debut performance in the 1988 MF (for which he won an All Star)
His often forgotten performance against Cavan in the league in New York where he exhibited one moment on the sideline which beggared belief
I don't think I will see a player like Maurice ever again - but a little red headed wonder is doing his best to prove me wrong -
Trev
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 6, 2007 12:06:49 GMT
Trev, not that I'm defending Hayes here, but you are taking him out context. He said that Maurice has had more bad days than good in Croke Park. We know that isn't true as pointed out by somebody here when they listed most of his championship games in Croke Park, but Hayes didn't say he never played well in Croke Park.
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Post by Control on Sept 6, 2007 17:09:07 GMT
Folks - this thread got completely out of hand. It has been tided up with the focus back on Liam Hayes article and not on what some punter in a pub in west Firies said was on a goalies gloves etc. Any Tyrone v Kerry v cynical play v who is the better team is not for this thread and will be deleted. PM all ye want, but not on this thread.
Thanks,
Control.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2007 22:08:23 GMT
so was hayes article,guess its catchy ;D
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Post by Walter Mitty on Sept 7, 2007 7:45:29 GMT
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Post by Piggy on Sept 7, 2007 7:45:53 GMT
this thread should be taken down, everytime i see it it reminds me of the cr*p he wrote and just ends up putting me in a bad mood.
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Post by Walter Mitty on Sept 7, 2007 7:53:49 GMT
It is obvious that Liam Hayes is enjoying his moment in the sun.....as everyone in the entertainment business is want to do.....like spillane did 12-13 years ago, hayes is attempting to raise his profile as a journalist and boost sales for his paper.
Unfortunately for him, he has sacraficed any respect football fans have for him by reducing himself to the levels of those scummy red-top tabloid journalists in Britain..
I am not angry at him...... i actually feel sorry for him....he ll wake up in 1 months time when it has all died down, look in the mirror and just realise what a * he has been
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Post by bob567 on Sept 7, 2007 8:48:25 GMT
the t-shirt is quality must get me one
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 7, 2007 9:14:21 GMT
personally i couldnt give a flying fcuk about what hayes or any other hayes said or says either.
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Post by FatTom on Sept 7, 2007 12:54:21 GMT
Aside from Liam Hayes I would just like to say what a great Article Kiernan Shannon wrote - not entertaining the masses or writing tabloid junk with no foundation he opened up all sides of the argument for debate and gave reasoning behind his proclamations.
No need to resort the likes of " now don't get me wrong I like Kerry people and have great friends in Kerry" to justify comments.
I think Hayes is right in one thing though - whether we like it or not if this team loses Sunday Week it will seriously damage their credentials.
As for Shannon's point on Gooch - I couldn't agree more - I don't think there ever has been a forward as talented.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2007 13:43:56 GMT
Hate to raise the subject of this clown at the moment but his comments over the past few weeks have provided the Kerry players with plenty of motivation.
This can be seen by Declans speech and also other comments after the game.
The players it is obvious are very conscious of their own place in history. As Galvin said they were playing for their legacy and the legacy of Kerry football.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2007 13:49:13 GMT
On Newstalk on Friday the fool Hayes and Jack O'Connor had a run in. Jack was clearly p*ssed with the fool. Would like to have seen Hayes beng challenged more agressively on his assertions.
The fool then really exceled himself by saying that there were six great teams over the past 20 years and that Kerry weren't one of them.
His six superior teams to Kerry were
Meath & Cork (late 80's) Down Derry Tyrone Armagh
The guy is a joke.
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