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Post by homerj on Sept 17, 2007 14:03:30 GMT
did he write in yesterdays paper about the match i wonder?i assume he picked cork anyway if he did have an article in there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2007 14:19:37 GMT
Think he picked Cork but general tone was Kerry better players but mental edge with Cork so narrow win for them
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Post by kaiser on Sept 17, 2007 14:21:18 GMT
Think he picked Cork but general tone was Kerry better players but mental edge with Cork so narrow win for them No, he went with Kerry with 4 or 5 to spare. He also had a go at Jack O'Connor. He's an idiot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2007 14:24:05 GMT
Think he picked Cork but general tone was Kerry better players but mental edge with Cork so narrow win for them No, he went with Kerry with 4 or 5 to spare. He also had a go at Jack O'Connor. He's an idiot. I think he changed his mind a few times so will no doubt claimed the game went as he predicted.
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Post by wcorkkerryman on Sept 17, 2007 15:43:51 GMT
Wifeen forgot to buy the Tribune yesterday whilst I was in Dublin - can somebody post the eejit's column from yesterdays edition?
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Post by kaiser on Sept 17, 2007 16:04:31 GMT
It's hardly worth it but here you go.....
GAA
KERRY TO SEIZE THE DAY Football Analyst Liam Hayes
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JACK O'Connor said neither hello nor goodbye to me when we got together on Newstalk last Friday evening to discuss today's mammoth game of football, and perhaps the most highly pressurised All Ireland final in the history of the game.
"How you doin', Jack?" I'd asked at the start of the programme. We were both connected to the studio by telephone. There was complete silence at the other end of Jack's line.
"Can you hear Liam there, Jack?" queried our host and Newstalk's Off The Ball presenter, Eoin McDevitt.
"I can hear him fine, " replied Jack.
Jack, as it turned out, didn't have much to say for himself at the end of the discussion eitherf "beep, beep, beep, beepf" In the middle of the show, when we did get to talk to one another, I felt it important to remind Kerry's most recent two-time AllIreland winning manager that it needed real "courage" and "backbone" to back up even the most strongly held convictions on Gaelic football, and sport in general.
I informed Jack that I was handing over my heart-felt assertion that this Kerry team has, to date, lacked any real enduring sense of quality or superiority (as in Tyrone or Armagh in this millennium, or Meath and Cork and Down and Derry at the tail end of the previous millennium) and our conversation quickly got f interesting, which would be one way of putting it!
Jack was claiming that I was being sensationalist and negative for the sake of it. I told him I wasn't. I actually do believe Kerry football has been off the pace, by its own high standards and when measured up against the great teams I've just mentioned, over the last two decades.
But, when I asked Jack . . . and I asked him three times (bringing a small biblical element to the proceedings) . . . why did he not stand over his own autobiography which was published this summer, and why did he disassociate himself from his own 'All Ireland winning' story in 10 seconds flat once the heat was upped over his admission of becoming a semi-professional GAA manager last season, Jack remained schtum.
I was surprised by that, I've got to say, that not a single word passed his lips as a product of either self-defence or strongly held conviction.
There has been a question mark over Jack O'Connor as an amateur football coach since he about-turned and did not stand over a book which was presented to GAA fans as his own autobiographical work.
He did that damage all by himself at the start of the summer. And, by the end of this summer, over the last few weeks, I have questioned the credibility of his former football team and seriously questioned its standing as two-time All Ireland winners. It's a funny, surprising old world, is it not?
This morning, Kerry are in the last hours of preparation for another All Ireland final, and Jack O'Connor is in the difficult position of watching his Kerry team entering another All Ireland final without him. The baton was handed over to Pat O'Shea alright, many months ago, but, this summer, this team has remained as much O'Connor's as O'Shea's.
So this Kerry team is now facing its greatest adversary of all time in Croke Park on AllIreland day . . . and a Kerry football team has never had so much to win in 70 minutes, and so much to lose in 70 of the fastest minutes a football team might ever experience.
In all likelihood, Kerry will win yet another All Ireland title this afternoon, and if they do so this Kerry team will become the seventh great football team to span the last 20 years of Gaelic football, and the county itself will be back on track to perhaps regaining its position in the near future as the single greatest entity in the GAA . . . football or hurling!
This Kerry team is of marginally superior quality to Cork overall and, all things being equal, if both teams get into their stride and play the kind of football they are capable of playing, then Kerry can beat Cork . . . as they have consistently done on the 'big day' over the last few years . . . by four or five points.
However, this game of football has all the rabid characteristics and great perils of a Munster final contained within an All Ireland final, and nobody can be too sure what sort of game of football will emerge a few hours from now. All things may not be equal for very long!
In addition, this is more than a 'big day' between Cork and Kerry. It's bigger and has the potential to be more overpowering than any game of football ever played between the two teams. The contest could leave both teams unhinged. We might see both teams on 'automatic pilot' before the game is even halfway through. It might be low-scoring, and tight and suffocating. Or, it might become a madcap game of football.
Nobody can be quite so sure what will become of this game . . . and that includes the two coaches, Billy Morgan and Pat O'Shea and their respective teams.
Whatever form of game presents itself this afternoon, there is a slim-to-decent chance that Cork could sneak it, with sneak being the operative word in every sense. To be in with a chance of doing exactly this, Cork have to do two things very well. But only two things.
They have to edge out the battle for good ball and ugly ball in the middle third of the field, and they have to put someone on Colm Cooper who will actually beat Kerry's single master craftsman to the ball.
Cork are confident coming into this All Ireland final because they believe that Murphy, Kavanagh and Cussen can dominate in the air, and they feel just as strongly that O'Leary, Spillane and Miskella can win as much broken ball as might be necessary to keep the Kerry defence pinned back in its own half of the field. Here, Cork need to push the Kerry half-back line especially deep into their own half . . . they need to 'roll and maul' like Eddie O'Sullivan's lads on a good day.
Their pre-match confidence is also underpinned by Graham Canty's ability to go oneon-one with Cooper, and live to tell the tale.
When the opposing team has the best forward in the country and you've got the best defender in the country, you're going to feel as bullish as Billy Morgan, privately, certainly feels about this historic day. It's not just a question of Morgan thinking that this is his turn.
That, if he and his team turn up in Croker often enough in the months of August and September that they will, one day, surprise Kerry and actually defeat them . . . that's not what Cork are thinking, because their team boss has been around long enough to realise that football has a wicked way of dealing with teams (Mayo would come to mind at this point) who think if they stick around long enough they are bound to win something.
Morgan also knows that Kerry have been living in fear of losing this game more than his team, and he is certainly wily enough to see that Cork extract some advantage from this mental, more than physical, side of the contest. If Cork can pressurise Kerry hard enough and long enough over the 70 minutes, he will be hoping this fear takes a grip on Kerry in the latter stages of the contest.
Definitely Cork will need this factor, as well as an outstanding defensive performance and a big midfield display, if they are to actually win the game. Because Cork do not have the natural talent or raw firepower up front to do the damage that they need to do to win this All Ireland title.
The return of James Masters, whether he starts or comes charging into the game midway through, is important and will become vitally important if and when Cork have to convert those one or two vital, late frees near the end of the game. And when this time comes, Morgan will not be very worried that the country's highest scoring forward will be disadvantaged by the broken jaw he has suffered and recovered from in a little over one month.
Masters still had his boots on for the last month. It's not like he had one leg plopped up on a chair in front of himself all the time he has been away, and after missing out on just one game in the lead in to this All Ireland final there is no question of Morgan's only star forward feeling that he must restart or kick-start this championship.
Billy Morgan, given the obvious strengths and weaknesses to his team, is in as strong a position to win a game of football as he has ever been, and that's why he can and should be happy enough right this minute.
There is every chance Kerry could live up to this mammoth moment in GAA history.
Let's forget about debates over the last 20 years of Kerry football and look at this team all on its own. It's not the complete package.
But it does include a core group of the purest and most magical Gaelic footballers in the country, and today will be decided by those gentlemen . . . by the O Ses, by Donaghy and by Cooper.
While Declan O'Sullivan delivered a captain's performance, with cream and a cherry sitting on top of it, in the semi-final victory over Dublin, he remains slightly outside of this clutch of footballers. It will be surprising if he makes the difference between two teams, two days running.
Pat O'Shea admitted during the week that strong-minded, intelligent and superbly talented footballers sometimes do not need to be managed or coached all that tightly. And here, he's talking about these five men more than anybody else. He's also admitting that in a short and distracting first year as Kerry boss, he himself has not been in a position to dig his initials into this team. He's been assisting them more than anything else.
Assisting Jack O'Connor's team and finishing off the work which needed to be finished off after the last two less than complete All-Ireland victories.
All the talk over the last few days has, invariably, centred on Colm Cooper more than anyone else. And rightly so. But this All Ireland title might be carried back home to Kerry by Donaghy. He's had a quieter summer than 2006, and he's not scored very much at all, but when he was allowed to leave the big square during the semi-final . . . and was asked to express himself as the footballer he is in a more central role in the middle of the field . . . Donaghy showed us he has what it takes to become the most complete, and intelligent and expressive, midfielder in the modern game.
His natural instinct on the ball, and his creative . . . more than his finishing . . . abilities are what soon might leave the entire country in awe of the young man. One devastating performance from Kieran Donaghy over 70 minutes will be more than this Cork team can take or survive.
That's why Kerry can and should win the 'biggest day of them all' between themselves and their closest neighbours, by the four or five points they have become accustomed to winning by.
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Post by homerj on Sept 17, 2007 16:08:51 GMT
he still has to get his fare share of "digs" in at us doesnt he.
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Post by wcorkkerryman on Sept 17, 2007 16:09:53 GMT
You're right - not worth reading. Was the article about the AIF or about how intelligent Liam Hayes is. Is it about facts or getting events to back up a pre-conceived notion e.g. Donaghy is a waste of space on the edge of the square? Will be interesting to see what he says next week, then again maybe it'll be another load of *e.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Sept 17, 2007 16:19:24 GMT
In all likelihood, Kerry will win yet another All Ireland title this afternoon, and if they do so this Kerry team will become the seventh great football team to span the last 20 years of Gaelic football,
So Derry win one all ireland and two Ulsters in that period and and get considered a great... Kerry have to win their 3rd in 4 years and 5th in that period along with 11 munster titles to be on the same bracket as that "great" Derry team.
Good man Liam.,..
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Post by kaiser on Sept 17, 2007 16:27:22 GMT
You're right - not worth reading. Was the article about the AIF or about how intelligent Liam Hayes is. Is it about facts or getting events to back up a pre-conceived notion e.g. Donaghy is a waste of space on the edge of the square? Will be interesting to see what he says next week, then again maybe it'll be another load of *e. He's dug himself into a hole and is basically congratulating himself for holding onto the shovel and digging deeper!! He's a clown. His opinion of teams is his opinion, can't change that but the criteria used to decide greatness seems somewhat strange. For what it's worth i think that statistics don't tell the full story. Derry, in my opinion, with one All-Ireland were a better side than Down, Galway or Meath from the '90s, for example but to say Kerry's recent success doesn't eclipse Armagh( we met them four times in the Championship since 2000, Won 2, lost 1 and drew 1!!) or Tyrone(An exceptional side - Every few years) is ridiculous. I think he'll have enjoyed the last few weeks for the publicity it's given him but his reputation will never recover and his bitterness, as evidenced by his attack on Jack O'Connor, is clear for all to see now. We should just forget about him and ignore him from here on in. His judgment is questionable at best, anyway.
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Post by Control on Sept 17, 2007 21:34:17 GMT
We'll see how he fares at the weekend with his wrap up on the match and close it down then. It has been a factor in Kerry's involvement in the All Ireland, and as a result deserves to be there whether people agree with him or not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2007 9:21:01 GMT
Control - i hate talking about this fool but it has been a factor in this years championship so is a legitimate topic to talk about.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2007 9:25:04 GMT
Last night he called Kerry an average to good team. The next few years he reckons will determine whether this is a great team Lucky win against Monaghan, lucky that Dublin played poorly and played nothing in the final is how he summed it up.
In fairness Eugene McGee disagreed with a lot of the fools comments. McGee also said this was an exceptional Kerry forward line. The clown Hayes disagreed.
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Post by peig on Sept 18, 2007 9:47:14 GMT
Last night he called Kerry an average to good team. The next few years he reckons will determine whether this is a great team Lucky win against Monaghan, lucky that Dublin played poorly and played nothing in the final is how he summed it up. In fairness Eugene McGee disagreed with a lot of the fools comments. McGee also said this was an exceptional Kerry forward line. The clown Hayes disagreed. Was this on Newstalk?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2007 9:48:09 GMT
Yes
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Post by peig on Sept 18, 2007 9:51:00 GMT
Damn! I can't believe I missed that!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2007 9:54:29 GMT
I texted them while he was on with a comment.
They didn't read it out.
Might have been a bit early in the evening for the type of language I used!
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Post by Piggy on Sept 18, 2007 10:46:09 GMT
alot of people from around the country texted in saying he needed help if he thought kerry were a average team and if he didnt think they were great.when people outside of kerry say this you realise what a fool he's making of himself.
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Post by homerj on Sept 18, 2007 13:07:18 GMT
look, the likes of this clown and many more of his pale based dublin colleagues, will never concede that kerry are just better than everybody else when it comes down to it. made me sick to read on monday "this was the 3rd time in 4 years that we have had a poor all ireland final". notice the f""king trends like, kerry just ate them apart. wonder if kerry had beaten tyrone, would it have such a great final then? i think not. its alwasys a great game when the likes of kerry are beaten. same crap this year with sligo, a pathetic game and an average team, yet it was acclaimed countrywide. its not kerrys fault that we are getting poor games, if teams matched the intensity and effort that we had and had a fraction of the skill that our lads possess, then every game would be a cracker. rant over. now please lets stop talking about this muppet and those muppets that write s**te for a living!
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Post by kerryeye on Sept 18, 2007 13:27:25 GMT
Excellent points homerj,agree with every word of it.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 18, 2007 13:45:00 GMT
by rising ye lads their winning,let them fcuk off with themselves.
print off a list off kerrys all-ireland senior wins since the early 1900's,all-irelands contested,minor and u21 all-irelands won,junior all-irelands won,national leagues won and all the munster championships won over that hundred year plus period at all the grades.
sit down somewhere nice and quiet and read through all the dates on those lists and break then down into each decade,then print off all the achievements and titles won by kerry players for the last 50 years or more.
come back tomorrow and tell me do we have to heed or respond to these people who comment in such a manner as hayes,brolly,mchugh,lyons,maughan etc,etc,etc.
theres two particular words in the english dictionary for them.
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Post by animal on Sept 18, 2007 13:53:04 GMT
HomerJ, I think you're besing a tad harsh there. Sure Hayes and McHugh are talking nonsense but by and large the other Journos have been fair enough. Even Eugene McGee was positive overall in his analysis. It was a crap match for the neutral. No getting away from that. To be fair it usually is a great game when Kerry are beaten in a final because we make it great. Sure if we had lost by 10 points to Tyrone or Armagh those finals would not be considered great or even good. We may not enjoy losing but to most neutrals those games were much more enjoyable than watching us beat teams off the park. Fact of life I'm afraid. For the record I do think we are a great team and to be fair most journos have made that point this week be they Dublin based or not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2007 14:01:49 GMT
Animal - all good points but hard to ignore all the same Whats interesting is how some of this rubbish motivated the players
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Post by homerj on Sept 18, 2007 14:06:19 GMT
i wonder if declan was referring to this in his speech, or was it somebody or something else!?btw, anybody hear exactly what he said, cos it was hard to hear him at times...
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Post by Die Hard Kerry Fan on Sept 18, 2007 14:12:43 GMT
Shur, let them have their rants and raves and begrudgery.. Kerry will keep on proving them wrong and that's more satisfying than anything!
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Post by animal on Sept 18, 2007 14:13:20 GMT
Animal - all good points but hard to ignore all the same Whats interesting is how some of this rubbish motivated the players Just don't feel that all journos should be tarred with the same brush....few bad eggs etc...
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Post by JOAN on Sept 18, 2007 14:23:48 GMT
Its hayes lads he a joke.... As for Declan I was 5 rows behind him and he was directing his comments to just that... He stood up for his team mates kerry football and the fans. Great speech really powerful word and heartfelt. FAIR PLAY
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 18, 2007 15:09:15 GMT
you had a padded seat so joan,nice one,i suppose the seats on the planes are a bit hard alright,especially after along transathlantic flight.
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Post by falveyb2k on Sept 18, 2007 17:10:51 GMT
02 Sep - Tribune (Liam Hayes) - Kerry are facing into an All Ireland final which could be a death-trap for them, it could be the greatest moment in Kerry football in 20 years, or it could become something else entirely. If Kerry do lose, maybe then the people of the county will look back over their shoulders at two decades, and feel dramatically short-changed by everything they have experienced and everything they have achieved. Then they will certainly share my perspective of the last two Sundays - at least in the privacy of their own homes and their own quiet conversations. If Kerry win this All Ireland, they will have a team worthy of sharing the same status as the outstanding teams of the last 20 years. A lot rests on the next 70 minutes. Nearly everything, in my opinion.
Hmmn, so he said two weeks ago we'd stand as a great team if we won. Now the day after we beat our greatest rivals by 10 points we've become average again! Those grapes must be pretty sour up in Meath........
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Post by razzledazzle on Sept 19, 2007 22:09:42 GMT
who are we here in a county (kerry) with only half the knowledge and expierence of football ,that a county like meath would have ,to disagree with an absolute legendary midfielder. A man who took CARLOW to unscaled heights and afterwards had evry county in Ireland knocking at his door to lead their counties down the same path of glory.A man who when he retired had so many celtic crosses in his arse pocket (2) he often mistaken them for spare change.We should feel privelleged that a man of that callibre even acknowledges the existence of mere minnows (and named a few of our players) such as ourselves....thank you liam
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