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Post by The16thMan on Sept 29, 2024 14:30:49 GMT
Full Time from Strand Road:
Dingle 0-18 0-01 Milltown/Castlemaine
Milltown kicked the 1st point from Eanna O'Connor, followed by 18 consecutive points by Dingle.
Dingle had gale force wind in 1st half and led by 0-09 to 0-01 at HT. Milltown managed nothing with the gale in the 2nd galf. Dingle advance to Quarter Finals as expected. Paul & Dylan Geaney the stand out performers. Milltown exit the Championship.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 29, 2024 14:32:31 GMT
I’m going to be honest with you, if you score 1 point in over 60 mins of senior championship football then I’m relegating you on principle
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Post by southward on Sept 29, 2024 14:59:42 GMT
Full Time from Strand Road: Dingle 0-18 0-01 Milltown/Castlemaine Milltown kicked the 1st point from Eann O'Connor, followed by 18 consecutive points by Dingle. Dingle had gale force wind in 1st half and led by 0-09 to 0-01 at HT. Milltown managed nothing with the gale in the 2nd galf. Dingle advance to Quarter Finals as expected. Paul & Dylan Geaney the stand out performers. Milltown exit the Championship. Jesus, that's awful. |
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Post by thehermit on Sept 29, 2024 15:01:04 GMT
Amazing to see a game at this level where a team can only manage one minor in 60+ mins of football!
In contrast the Mid KY v Kenmare game here on clubber is excellent stuff!
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 29, 2024 15:20:14 GMT
I’m going to be honest with you, if you score 1 point in over 60 mins of senior championship football then I’m relegating you on principle It’s time for another review of the SFC ! Giving teams a pass & no relegation for 2 seasons is farcical- Na Gaeil relegated to Div 3, Milltown to 2 & judging by today they are heading to 3; abject performance over an hour - one point into the breeze from a close in free & not another score - MTC were in the senior championship on merit but having no relegation for 2 seasons will further undermine the standard of the senior club & county championship. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 29, 2024 15:21:44 GMT
Amazing to see a game at this level where a team can only manage one minor in 60+ mins of football! In contrast the Mid KY v Kenmare game here on clubber is excellent stuff! With a gale of a wind in the second half aswell. Is it a sign that lads are over coached to work the ball into high % positions or are they just not very good? Because if you have a gale force wind and have only scored a point then surely after a while pride would kick in and you’d just start either having a go or raining ball in on top of the keeper |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 29, 2024 15:22:36 GMT
I’m going to be honest with you, if you score 1 point in over 60 mins of senior championship football then I’m relegating you on principle It’s time for another review of the SFC ! Giving 4 teams a pass & no relegation for 2 seasons is farcical- Na Gaeil relegated to Div 3, Milltown to 2 & judging by today they are heading to 3; abject performance over an hour - one point into the breeze from a close in free & not another score - MTC were in the senior championship on merit but having no relegation for 2 seasons will further undermine the standard of the senior club & county championship. I would rather see 2 teams up than no relegation, there has to be some penalty for being brutal |
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Post by The16thMan on Sept 29, 2024 15:29:04 GMT
Final Score from Lewis Rd. Killarney.
Mid Kerry 1-11 2-09 Kenmare Shamrocks.
Mid Kerry led most the game and 2 2nd half goals from Kenmare over turned a 5 point deficit and ended up being a 1 point victory for Shamrocks.
A debatable penalty shout late in injury time for Mid. Kerry as Mike Breen seemed to be tripped by the Kenmare keeper as he was rounding the keeper although it was uncertain whether there was contact or not. Ref didn't give it and Kenmare held on.
Last years finalists Mid.Kerry are out and Kenmare advance to the quarter finals.
Looking forward to the draw later this evening.
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Post by mack21 on Sept 29, 2024 15:29:12 GMT
I’m going to be honest with you, if you score 1 point in over 60 mins of senior championship football then I’m relegating you on principle It’s time for another review of the SFC ! Giving teams a pass & no relegation for 2 seasons is farcical- Na Gaeil relegated to Div 3, Milltown to 2 & judging by today they are heading to 3; abject performance over an hour - one point into the breeze from a close in free & not another score - MTC were in the senior championship on merit but having no relegation for 2 seasons will further undermine the standard of the senior club & county championship. |
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Post by mack21 on Sept 29, 2024 15:32:58 GMT
A strange decision to have no relegation for 3 seasons effectively. Where did that decision come from? I assume nobody from either of Milltown/Castlemaine or na Gaeil had anything to do with it?
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Post by mike70 on Sept 29, 2024 15:33:03 GMT
Brendan v kenmare
EK v St Kier
Crokes v rathmore
Temple v dingle
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Post by mike70 on Sept 29, 2024 15:34:43 GMT
MK left that game behind.
EK and Crokes now firm favourites.
The games this weekend, especially today will be tough on the teams coming thru.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 29, 2024 15:37:00 GMT
A strange decision to have no relegation for 3 seasons effectively. Where did that decision come from? I assume nobody from either of Milltown/Castlemaine or na Gaeil had anything to do with it? They wouldn’t have had no but it is a strange decision. To be honest I was only made aware of it recently as I had posed the idea to someone of there being no senior team in Tralee next year if stacks lost to laune rangers as I had assumed na gaeil would go down |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 29, 2024 15:37:48 GMT
Brendan v kenmare EK v St Kier Crokes v rathmore Temple v dingle Brendans EK Crokes Dingle |
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Post by The16thMan on Sept 29, 2024 15:37:52 GMT
Brendan v kenmare EK v St Kier Crokes v rathmore Temple v dingle I'd say 3 clear favourites in those games, maybe Brendan's and Kenmare the hardest to call. Apart from that I'd be surprised if I didn't see Dingle, Crokes & East Kerry in the semi final hat next Sunday, all due respect to those opposition teams. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Sept 29, 2024 15:40:56 GMT
MK left that game behind. EK and Crokes now firm favourites. The games this weekend, especially today will be tough on the teams coming thru. East Kerry and Crokes will prevail next weekend, Dingle despite playing today will be relatively fresh but Kenmare will be tanked, Brendans would be favourites here but Mid Kerry looked the better team for the majority of that game but goals win matches... Clubber view was inconclusive for Breen's penalty call, the umpires had a great view but ref didn't consult.. Regardless hard to look beyond Brendans, EK, Dingle and Crokes... Will be some semi final draw... |
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 29, 2024 15:43:13 GMT
A strange decision to have no relegation for 3 seasons effectively. Where did that decision come from? I assume nobody from either of Milltown/Castlemaine or na Gaeil had anything to do with it? That was the decision of a review committee set up by county board. The outcome was to increase the no of senior clubs to 10 with the intermediate winners from this year being promoted, as normal along with next years winners & no relegation. Neither Milltown nor Na Gaeil were represented - the committee was chaired by Dara O’Cinneide , not sure who were the others on it to be honest. I would expect, in light of recent results , that another review will take place. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 29, 2024 15:46:57 GMT
A strange decision to have no relegation for 3 seasons effectively. Where did that decision come from? I assume nobody from either of Milltown/Castlemaine or na Gaeil had anything to do with it? That was the decision of a review committee set up by county board. The outcome was to increase the no of senior clubs to 10 with the intermediate winners from this year being promoted, as normal along with next years winners & no relegation. Neither Milltown nor Na Gaeil were represented - the committee was chaired by Dara O’Cinneide , not sure who were the others on it to be honest. I would expect, in light of recent results , that another review will take place. Surely promoting the 2 inter finalists or inter losing finalist playing off against worst senior club would be the best option. There has to be some jeopardy for teams in the senior club championship or we’re wasting our time |
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Post by The16thMan on Sept 29, 2024 15:51:30 GMT
A strange decision to have no relegation for 3 seasons effectively. Where did that decision come from? I assume nobody from either of Milltown/Castlemaine or na Gaeil had anything to do with it? That was the decision of a review committee set up by county board. The outcome was to increase the no of senior clubs to 10 with the intermediate winners from this year being promoted, as normal along with next years winners & no relegation. Neither Milltown nor Na Gaeil were represented - the committee was chaired by Dara O’Cinneide , not sure who were the others on it to be honest. I would expect, in light of recent results , that another review will take place. A big problem is we don't have 8 competitive districts. Only 3 left in quarter finals show that. 5 clubs left, Dingle and Crokes are ahead of the other 3. Maybe a Championship where the best 4 districts (how u figure out the best 4 is another question), along with the top 4 senior clubs (maybe 4 semi finalists from Club Championship) make up an 8 team County Championship. Would be a lot more competitive. It feels like the rounds this year so far and possibly next round will be added to that, are just a case of eliminating teams we already knew wouldn't have a chance of winning it. |
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Post by shaggy04 on Sept 29, 2024 15:56:54 GMT
Mid Kerry out
Milltown Castlemaine out
Mid Kerry Championship in 2 weeks time.
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 29, 2024 16:09:46 GMT
That was the decision of a review committee set up by county board. The outcome was to increase the no of senior clubs to 10 with the intermediate winners from this year being promoted, as normal along with next years winners & no relegation. Neither Milltown nor Na Gaeil were represented - the committee was chaired by Dara O’Cinneide , not sure who were the others on it to be honest. I would expect, in light of recent results , that another review will take place. A big problem is we don't have 8 competitive districts. Only 3 left in quarter finals show that. 5 clubs left, Dingle and Crokes are ahead of the other 3. Maybe a Championship where the best 4 districts (how u figure out the best 4 is another question), along with the top 4 senior clubs (maybe 4 semi finalists from Club Championship) make up an 8 team County Championship. Would be a lot more competitive. It feels like the rounds this year so far and possibly next round will be added to that, are just a case of eliminating teams we already knew wouldn't have a chance of winning it. There is a solution that could work: 1. Increase the no of senior clubs to 12 by adding this years 4 county intermediate semi finalists 2 . The senior club championship to consist of 4 groups of 3 clubs. 3 . The top team in each group then go onto the senior club semis. 4. The bottom club in each group (4) return to play with their division in the senior COUNTY championship with the traditional 8 clubs & 8 districts competing. Relegation from senior club would involve play offs between the bottom 4 clubs - you can relegate 1 or maybe two clubs per season. The COUNTY championship needs to be revitalised- the numbers attending are dropping - 2023 income was down 50% on 2022, this year will undoubtedly see another decrease. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 29, 2024 16:25:56 GMT
A big problem is we don't have 8 competitive districts. Only 3 left in quarter finals show that. 5 clubs left, Dingle and Crokes are ahead of the other 3. Maybe a Championship where the best 4 districts (how u figure out the best 4 is another question), along with the top 4 senior clubs (maybe 4 semi finalists from Club Championship) make up an 8 team County Championship. Would be a lot more competitive. It feels like the rounds this year so far and possibly next round will be added to that, are just a case of eliminating teams we already knew wouldn't have a chance of winning it. There is a solution that could work: 1. Increase the no of senior clubs to 12 by adding this years 4 county intermediate semi finalists 2 . The senior club championship to consist of 4 groups of 3 clubs. 3 . The top team in each group then go onto the senior club semis. 4. The bottom club in each group (4) return to play with their division in the senior COUNTY championship with the traditional 8 clubs & 8 districts competing. Relegation from senior club would involve play offs between the bottom 4 clubs - you can relegate 1 or maybe two clubs per season. The COUNTY championship needs to be revitalised- the numbers attending are dropping - 2023 income was down 50% on 2022, this year will undoubtedly see another decrease. Not a bad suggestion but I’ll need more time for it to digest. I’ll fall back to a very simple principle here: While i have long been, and continue to be, in favour of the divisional sides - I have always argued that our championship is severely weakened by the lack of jeopardy for these teams and we have often seen then sack it off when they have no chance of winning. The solution drawn up of then removing jeopardy for the senior clubs for 2 years only compounds this stupidity and will lead to a serious decline in our championship in the short term- hopefully the rot doesn’t set in |
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Post by horsebox77 on Sept 29, 2024 16:33:19 GMT
Another key factor is the Junior, intermediate and senior c'ships have become prestigious and as a result more competitive and entertaining.
I know the county championship give every player the opportunity to play at the highest club level... but at what cost... dare I suggest it .. has the county championship lost its place in the pecking order... would we be better served with a straight club championship full stop...
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Sept 29, 2024 16:36:35 GMT
Why is there such an obsession with increasing the number of Senior clubs? Seems to me it’s just because ‘big’ clubs are now in intermediate even though the level of their team at the minute just isn’t good enough. Crokes, Dingle and Kenmare are 3 very good club teams, Rathmore are also good. Spa and Templenoe are adequate. Na Gaeil and Milltown are relatively poor in my eyes. What teams in the intermediate really deserve to be Senior? Possibly Stacks but even then some of their performances are far off the level.
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Post by hurlingman on Sept 29, 2024 16:41:14 GMT
When I seen the result of the Dingle Mitown game I thought it was a mistake!
No matter what level that's a very poor return!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 29, 2024 17:05:21 GMT
Why is there such an obsession with increasing the number of Senior clubs? Seems to me it’s just because ‘big’ clubs are now in intermediate even though the level of their team at the minute just isn’t good enough. Crokes, Dingle and Kenmare are 3 very good club teams, Rathmore are also good. Spa and Templenoe are adequate. Na Gaeil and Milltown are relatively poor in my eyes. What teams in the intermediate really deserve to be Senior? Possibly Stacks but even then some of their performances are far off the level. Maybe you’re right but I go back to the point I keep making that there needs to be jeopardy for every team or we’re wasting our time. Stacks and kenmare in the relegation game 2 years ago had a great atmosphere and was a cracker of a game. If this was just a game to decide who the boldest boys of the year were and no relegation was on the line then maybe 10 people would have watched it |
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Post by mike70 on Sept 29, 2024 17:23:08 GMT
It’s the elephant in the room.
Trying to play 2 championships is crazy, the season is 2 short.
The club championships have taken over, the crowds can tell you , club champs well attended, the county , attendance very poor.
Time to end the divisional championship serves no purpose what so ever, 10 teams against 1, tells its own story, madness when you apply logic.
We still have open club championships to be played, disrupting our clubs preparing for the all ireland series.
Play a divisional championship if needs over November and December, with 6 teams, north, south, east, west, Killarney and Tralee.
Time to catch up with the times imo.
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Post by horsebox77 on Sept 29, 2024 17:27:39 GMT
It’s the elephant in the room. Trying to play 2 championships is crazy, the season is 2 short. The club championships have taken over, the crowds can tell you , club champs well attended, the county , attendance very poor. Time to end the divisional championship serves no purpose what so ever, 10 teams against 1, tells its own story, madness when you apply logic. We still have open club championships to be played, disrupting our clubs preparing for the all ireland series. Play a divisional championship if needs over November and December, with 6 teams, north, south, east, west, Killarney and Tralee. Time to catch up with the times imo. I'd he a traditionalist, however, Unfortunately, I agree.... |
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Post by defullback10 on Sept 29, 2024 18:10:07 GMT
Why is there such an obsession with increasing the number of Senior clubs? Seems to me it’s just because ‘big’ clubs are now in intermediate even though the level of their team at the minute just isn’t good enough. Crokes, Dingle and Kenmare are 3 very good club teams, Rathmore are also good. Spa and Templenoe are adequate. Na Gaeil and Milltown are relatively poor in my eyes. What teams in the intermediate really deserve to be Senior? Possibly Stacks but even then some of their performances are far off the level. Completely agree with this, there is a very good Senior club championship with the 8 team structure. Given the current quality of teams in the lower half of the Senior Clubs and the top half of the Intermediate, its had to see why increasing to 10 (or 12 as mentioned above) would make the championship better. This cannot be about volume of team, it has to be about quality. It needs to be remembered that Milltown won a tremendous intermediate championship last year, and have beaten Spa this year, but it’s clear that they are short to play at a senior level. For years Kerry have been told that their Championship is unfair on other counties, the question should be asked of other counties does their championship suit their needs. There is just no way (possible exception is Tyrone where it seems 6 to 8 teams are of similar quality but they do not progress to successful Ulster campaigns) 16 club teams can lead to a competitive senior championship. There is a need for tweaking of Divisional Teams to make them more competitive (and done so every 3 to 5 years), but this should not be at the demise of the Club Championships |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 29, 2024 18:10:57 GMT
It’s the elephant in the room. Trying to play 2 championships is crazy, the season is 2 short. The club championships have taken over, the crowds can tell you , club champs well attended, the county , attendance very poor. Time to end the divisional championship serves no purpose what so ever, 10 teams against 1, tells its own story, madness when you apply logic. We still have open club championships to be played, disrupting our clubs preparing for the all ireland series. Play a divisional championship if needs over November and December, with 6 teams, north, south, east, west, Killarney and Tralee. Time to catch up with the times imo. I don’t agree just yet as I do think that the divisional teams offer something but they need to be rebalanced every season to ensure that they are all competitive and there no needs to be some penalty for poor performance |
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