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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 17, 2024 13:17:13 GMT
Social media is the communication tool of the day, but agree, surprised that it was not first launched via county board, I stand to be corrected. The reality is that we don’t have any prospects that have managed at this level, outside Pat o shea, Eamon Fitz and Peter Keane, all others are pretenders to the throne, we chat about Tomas and KD, one has managed kids the other in a senior support role, love to see either or both in the kerry camp for a year before ascending to the throne. Other options as support to Jack would be Gooch, mark o shea, someone mentioned Dec Sullivan, all good options for sure, as mentioned, YOUR COUNTY NEEDS YOU, but the question is does Jack. Another name I wouldn't mind to see or rate is Aidan O'Shea.. |
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 17, 2024 17:02:26 GMT
Do we know if KD is staying with Armagh for another season? Has any official statement been issued by him or by the Armagh executive? I'd imagine he'll go another year considering they must be on a high and it's such a bonding experience. Having said that, he must be dreaming of coming home sooner rather than later. |
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Post by kerryblueboy on Aug 17, 2024 20:09:43 GMT
Surely Jerry o Sullivan would have to be in the discussion for next Kerry manager
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 17, 2024 21:07:28 GMT
Surely Jerry o Sullivan would have to be in the discussion for next Kerry manager Agree to a degree but that's a huge step up, I'd rather see Jerry get a shot at U17 or U20 first. |
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Post by mainevalley on Aug 17, 2024 21:10:02 GMT
Surely Jerry o Sullivan would have to be in the discussion for next Kerry manager Agree to a degree but that's a huge step up, I'd rather see Jerry get a shot at U17 or U20 first. Are ye having a laugh? |
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 17, 2024 22:02:52 GMT
Agree to a degree but that's a huge step up, I'd rather see Jerry get a shot at U17 or U20 first. Are ye having a laugh? I think you're misreading.. I am not advocating Jerry, my point is no one should go from senior club or divisional to inter County senior... my point is an apprenticeship of sorts is undertaken.... regardless... make sense? |
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Post by mainevalley on Aug 17, 2024 22:29:14 GMT
I think you're misreading.. I am not advocating Jerry, my point is no one should go from senior club or divisional to inter County senior... my point is an apprenticeship of sorts is undertaken.... regardless... make sense? Fair enough I misread it. The east Kerry setup is player lead by a cohort that was there when spa were there and rathmore, Sherwood and the two Clifford's, Arthur does the training, Jerry for all intensive purposes is only the front, wouldn't be even club standard |
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Post by pillar on Aug 17, 2024 23:21:16 GMT
I think you're misreading.. I am not advocating Jerry, my point is no one should go from senior club or divisional to inter County senior... my point is an apprenticeship of sorts is undertaken.... regardless... make sense? Fair enough I misread it. The east Kerry setup is player lead by a cohort that was there when spa were there and rathmore, Sherwood and the two Clifford's, Arthur does the training, Jerry for all intensive purposes is only the front, wouldn't be even club standard Jerry managed a decent Limerick U21 team..bit disingenuous to dismiss him as a front man..sure the team is full of quality but he wouldn't last long with them if he didn't drive some kind of standard. |
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Post by kerryblueboy on Aug 18, 2024 8:49:31 GMT
I think you're misreading.. I am not advocating Jerry, my point is no one should go from senior club or divisional to inter County senior... my point is an apprenticeship of sorts is undertaken.... regardless... make sense? Fair enough I misread it. The east Kerry setup is player lead by a cohort that was there when spa were there and rathmore, Sherwood and the two Clifford's, Arthur does the training, Jerry for all intensive purposes is only the front, wouldn't be even club standard that’s a fairly sad statement considering he has been manager of a team who have won 5 county titles yeah he might have the best players available to him but he must have some input or tactical skills otherwise he would have been replaced |
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 18, 2024 9:23:32 GMT
I have no knowledge of Jerry or his coaching abilities but it always struck me that one of the most important attributes of a divisional manager is being able to manage the expectations of the sides making up the division and being "politically astute" in balancing those expectations with the teams needs. its not always easy to get buy in from clubs to the divisional side particularly when it comes to representation levels amongst the mortals (i.e. non intercounty stars).
This is not something I think is as important when it comes to the county setup.
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Post by allrounder on Aug 18, 2024 12:29:06 GMT
Mystic Murt suggesting Tally will go. Would Mystic Murty ever suggest self retirement. Although I've gotten used to clubber on mute I'm currently watching glenflesk and laune rangers on clubber and by Christ he is painful. It's a pity because there is some good commentators and co commentators on clubber who don't get half the games he does |
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 18, 2024 12:42:03 GMT
Would Mystic Murty ever suggest self retirement. Although I've gotten used to clubber on mute I'm currently watching glenflesk and laune rangers on clubber and by Christ he is painful. It's a pity because there is some good commentators and co commentators on clubber who don't get half the games he does The fear is he will go from Glenflesk to Rathmore and spoil the Senior Semi Final as well... but agree, painful isn't the word for it... |
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Post by allrounder on Aug 18, 2024 12:45:31 GMT
I'm currently watching glenflesk and laune rangers on clubber and by Christ he is painful. It's a pity because there is some good commentators and co commentators on clubber who don't get half the games he does The fear is he will go from Glenflesk to Rathmore and spoil the Senior Semi Final as well... but agree, painful isn't the word for it... I've bad news for you!!!!! |
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Post by thehermit on Aug 18, 2024 13:38:58 GMT
Never understand why they don't have Sean O'Sull on more and let that fella off to pasture.
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Post by mainevalley on Aug 18, 2024 13:43:53 GMT
Fair enough I misread it. The east Kerry setup is player lead by a cohort that was there when spa were there and rathmore, Sherwood and the two Clifford's, Arthur does the training, Jerry for all intensive purposes is only the front, wouldn't be even club standard that’s a fairly sad statement considering he has been manager of a team who have won 5 county titles yeah he might have the best players available to him but he must have some input or tactical skills otherwise he would have been replaced That's my opinion of it talking to players. He still has a job to do to pick team and call training sessions and makes substitutions too so I give him credit for that but wouldn't be touting him for anything more complex |
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Post by jerryewe on Aug 18, 2024 17:01:12 GMT
that’s a fairly sad statement considering he has been manager of a team who have won 5 county titles yeah he might have the best players available to him but he must have some input or tactical skills otherwise he would have been replaced That's my opinion of it talking to players. He still has a job to do to pick team and call training sessions and makes substitutions too so I give him credit for that but wouldn't be touting him for anything more complex Sounds similar to James O’ Sullivan who was in charge of South Kerry when they won 3 in a row. I remember Weeshie Fogarty touting him for Kerry job but nobody else saw him as a real contender. |
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Post by pillar on Aug 20, 2024 8:35:45 GMT
I'm sure Jack is very busy on the phone this weather trying to reassemble a management team which in truth is only for one year as he is heading into his final year. I'm sure he has taken in player feedback but it can't be easy getting someone to fall in with you when it's only for one year.
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Post by homerj on Aug 20, 2024 11:15:22 GMT
I'm sure Jack is very busy on the phone this weather trying to reassemble a management team which in truth is only for one year as he is heading into his final year. I'm sure he has taken in player feedback but it can't be easy getting someone to fall in with you when it's only for one year. or could be easy task??? as lads know, do a good job and the managers job is theres this time next year? |
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Post by Premier on Aug 20, 2024 15:04:51 GMT
I'm sure Jack is very busy on the phone this weather trying to reassemble a management team which in truth is only for one year as he is heading into his final year. I'm sure he has taken in player feedback but it can't be easy getting someone to fall in with you when it's only for one year. or could be easy task??? as lads know, do a good job and the managers job is theres this time next year? I think if it suited with work that Declan Sullivan would be the man Jack wants the most to come with him. He had good success with Dromid Pearses and underage too with Kerry. He would be a forceful presence in any dressing room |
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 20, 2024 15:31:17 GMT
or could be easy task??? as lads know, do a good job and the managers job is theres this time next year? I think if it suited with work that Declan Sullivan would be the man Jack wants the most to come with him. He had good success with Dromid Pearses and underage too with Kerry. He would be a forceful presence in any dressing room Declan O Sullivan while a great player shouldn't be involved with any setup be it club or county. He's a complete lose cannon and anyone who see him when he was involved with Dromid would say likewise. |
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 20, 2024 15:32:34 GMT
That's my opinion of it talking to players. He still has a job to do to pick team and call training sessions and makes substitutions too so I give him credit for that but wouldn't be touting him for anything more complex Sounds similar to James O’ Sullivan who was in charge of South Kerry when they won 3 in a row. I remember Weeshie Fogarty touting him for Kerry job but nobody else saw him as a real contender. You know I just realised that I actually never knew who did manage those South Kerry teams. |
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Post by southward on Aug 20, 2024 17:48:36 GMT
or could be easy task??? as lads know, do a good job and the managers job is theres this time next year? I think if it suited with work that Declan Sullivan would be the man Jack wants the most to come with him. He had good success with Dromid Pearses and underage too with Kerry. He would be a forceful presence in any dressing room His tenure as U20 boss brought no success and I seem to remember the football as being particularly grim for that grade. Surprisingly so given he was such a stylish player himself. |
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Post by thehermit on Aug 20, 2024 18:30:29 GMT
I always had high hopes for Declan as a potential inter-county sideline prowler but as Southward said there was no real success for the U20s played during his tenure. Now we've had little enough joy at that grade anyway the last 15 years so you might give him a pass for that. But Southward is 100% correct about the football he was overseeing, those teams played dire stuff altogether.
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Post by kot on Aug 22, 2024 10:54:13 GMT
Declan wasn't a success underage managing Kerry. I agree also with the comments about him on the sideline, Mourinho at his worst! It is all beating around the bush suggesting Jack's backroom team changes. Fact is the whole thing needs to change. Mickey Ned & most recently Peter Keane as former managers have nailed it when remarking on Jack's penchant for timing but not blooding or developing anything new. Project 2025 might aswell be called Project 2026 as I see nothing changing for the better at the moment. Fitzmaurice & Tomás ticket the ideal but impossible scenario for me. Feic it, someone call Murt Murphy - he might join the backroom team  |
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 22, 2024 11:46:44 GMT
Declan wasn't a success underage managing Kerry. I agree also with the comments about him on the sideline, Mourinho at his worst! It is all beating around the bush suggesting Jack's backroom team changes. Fact is the whole thing needs to change. Mickey Ned & most recently Peter Keane as former managers have nailed it when remarking on Jack's penchant for timing but not blooding or developing anything new. Project 2025 might aswell be called Project 2026 as I see nothing changing for the better at the moment. Fitzmaurice & Tomás ticket the ideal but impossible scenario for me. Feic it, someone call Murt Murphy - he might join the backroom team I would be a Jack O'Connor fan, but would have to admit that I agree with you comment above, we need a complete wipe out and fresh start for 2025. I think a complete new set up is required. As for the second comment...  maybe revert to the dogs.. at least that way the race is under 30 seconds.. so its just about tolerable... |
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Post by mg72 on Aug 22, 2024 21:22:40 GMT
With Michael Quirke having left the backroom team now and Jack staying on for one more year only, the thinking will surely be more short term rather than a strategic long term plan. If Kerry win Sam in 2025, Jack will definitely walk away (he might do either way). Therefore the selector might be more a low key appointment, rather than a high profile person like Donaghy or someone from the U20's backroom, someone Jack trusts won't rock the boat. Michael O'Shea (Castlegregory) could get the nod if Jack wants someone who will go along with his ideas so.He was a selector before with Jack, and they still meet up regularly. He has been over An Ghaeltacht for the last couple of years. I don't think he'd offer anything to the role myself though. I heard tonight that this could indeed happen. O'Shea has made a call to one player that I know, sussing him out about going in training with Kerry when they start back. |
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Aug 23, 2024 10:37:05 GMT
Are there many players standing out on the club scene who could put themselves in a conversation for Kerry? Some names that are being mentioned along these lines at the moment; Liam Smith, Darragh Lyne, Mark O’Shea, Paul O’Shea, Eddie Healy, Eoin Clifford, James McCarthy and Evan Looney. Anyone with any thoughts on any of those or have any other names?
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Post by kerryblueboy on Aug 23, 2024 10:45:55 GMT
Knowing Jack it’s more likely to see burns coming back in than young players getting a chance
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Post by mg72 on Aug 23, 2024 15:53:11 GMT
Are there many players standing out on the club scene who could put themselves in a conversation for Kerry? Some names that are being mentioned along these lines at the moment; Liam Smith, Darragh Lyne, Mark O’Shea, Paul O’Shea, Eddie Healy, Eoin Clifford, James McCarthy and Evan Looney. Anyone with any thoughts on any of those or have any other names? I think that Smith, Lyne, Healy, Clifford and Looney deserve to be looked at. They've performed well for Kerry at underage level and with their clubs recently. A bit of pace is what needs to be brought into the Kerry set up, and those lads have it in abundance. Paul O'Shea is a classy player, but he doesn't have the pace or mobility for any position at county level in my opinion. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 23, 2024 16:09:28 GMT
Having seen a lot of both, I'd rate Rob Stack as much as his Listowel counterpart. Both are tidy ballers
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maybe revert to the dogs.. at least that way the race is under 30 seconds.. so its just about tolerable...