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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 14, 2024 20:54:03 GMT
I think quirke will make a good manager in the future. Not saying he is a cert to be a Kerry manager but, could see him involved as part of a ticket with the likes of Sean Sullivan, Donaghy and a Galvin or mahony Just about to post similar, I'd add in Declan Sull or Tomàs and maybe some of the failed ticket that opposed Jack the last time, namely Stephen Stack, Cinnéide or Seamus. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 14, 2024 20:59:15 GMT
There’s no spin - his first year in charge in Div 2 , Laois gains 7 points, 3 wins and a draw - one of those wins was against Armagh who were one of the 2 promoted teams. His second year was against the backdrop of Covid - a 4 team league, they lost all 3. Laois, in isolation, should not define Quirke - he is a very fine coach, has a deep knowledge of the game & modern in his thinking. Listen, opinions can differ but you are either a club mate or related to Quirke if you think he’s Kerry manager material would be my reading of it. You’d say something if a guy had a top track record at club level or underage level with schools or Kerry but he has none of that. What’s your justification for saying “he’s a fine coach who has a deep knowledge of the game”?? Podcasts and media stuff? I'm not clubmate or relative but have seen Mike's capabilities .. put it this way, hypothetically speaking, if Jack stepped away .. can you name many coaches with a better CV then Mike? |
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Aug 14, 2024 21:15:27 GMT
Did I read here that Paddy Tally is being considered for the Monaghan job? Any Monaghan officer reading this Forum please take note. He is your man. A more insightful, creative , forward thinking guru you will not find on this island. I repeat “ forward “ thinking . Most contributors to this Forum will testify to that. As a sweetener, as a gesture of goodwill , as a luck penny we are prepared to throw in the other members of our think tank. They work best as a unit. Don’t dither now. There will be cut throat competition for these boys. Mystic Murt suggesting Tally will stay but someone else is leaving. Only other main member of the main management team is Diarmuid Murphy really. He is also suggesting that either Tomas or Fitzmaurice is coming in, Tomas is more believable but Murt isn’t exactly a rock solid source. If I was Tomas I’d be staying well away, I can’t see why he’d associate himself with a Jack O’Connor management team at this stage. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 14, 2024 21:18:39 GMT
Did I read here that Paddy Tally is being considered for the Monaghan job? Any Monaghan officer reading this Forum please take note. He is your man. A more insightful, creative , forward thinking guru you will not find on this island. I repeat “ forward “ thinking . Most contributors to this Forum will testify to that. As a sweetener, as a gesture of goodwill , as a luck penny we are prepared to throw in the other members of our think tank. They work best as a unit. Don’t dither now. There will be cut throat competition for these boys. Mystic Murt suggesting Tally will stay but someone else is leaving. Mystic Murty..christ... |
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Post by Lolly Valance on Aug 14, 2024 21:29:12 GMT
I would take anything Murt says with a bucket as opposed to a pinch of salt. Tomas would be better off staying clear. If he could win an all Ireland with the 20s next year or reach a final he would be well placed for the top job if Jack goes.
I don't know what Fitzmaurice would add to the current setup to be honest. I don't know would anyone get the leeway to do things differently. The only way Kerry will change under Jack is if he himself decides to ditch the defensive and slow play. Maybe Jim Gavin's new rules will force him to.
I know it's very different times but, Kerry kicked a lot in his first two stints. Even in 22 we kicked the ball more.
I feel the natives are getting restless. A couple more boring games with defensive football to start next year's league with and the knives will well and truly be out. They are being sharpened already.
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Post by mossie on Aug 14, 2024 22:02:35 GMT
Best of Luck to Michael Quirke
And fair play to him - not many of us on this site will ever be able to say that we were a coach on an ireland winning senior set up
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Post by taggert on Aug 14, 2024 22:21:06 GMT
Best of Luck to Michael Quirke And fair play to him - not many of us on this site will ever be able to say that we were a coach on an ireland winning senior set up Good luck to him indeed and he deserves credit for his time and effort. Personally, I do not see him involved when Jack's term ends in any shape or form. I think he talked a far better game than he played. A lot more required on the CV in terms of delivery rather than strategy..... |
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 14, 2024 22:37:00 GMT
I don’t know why people are beating about the bush. Forget the league. If we don’t see major change by November, 2025 will be a write off again.
We have what is arguably the most previous precious heritage in Irish sport. It is slipping out of our grip. It is unthinkable that one man’s ego is postponing any steps to rectify the situation.
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Post by taggert on Aug 14, 2024 22:37:58 GMT
His time in Laois was an utter disaster and trying to spin it is hilarious. They were beaten in pretty much every game in his second year including a record championship defeat to Westmeath by 20 pts I think it was. And this is the man you want in charge of Kerry? I can only pray the county board hold candidates to higher standards. There’s no spin - his first year in charge in Div 2 , Laois gains 7 points, 3 wins and a draw - one of those wins was against Armagh who were one of the 2 promoted teams. His second year was against the backdrop of Covid - a 4 team league, they lost all 3. Laois, in isolation, should not define Quirke - he is a very fine coach, has a deep knowledge of the game & modern in his thinking. Thats simply not enough. Not by a long shot. |
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Post by mike70 on Aug 15, 2024 5:29:50 GMT
There’s no spin - his first year in charge in Div 2 , Laois gains 7 points, 3 wins and a draw - one of those wins was against Armagh who were one of the 2 promoted teams. His second year was against the backdrop of Covid - a 4 team league, they lost all 3. Laois, in isolation, should not define Quirke - he is a very fine coach, has a deep knowledge of the game & modern in his thinking. Thats simply not enough. Not by a long shot. The reality is that we don’t have any potential replacement with inter county experience, bar Eamon Fitz. Mike was up there with guys with a required level of coaching experience at a senior/20 level, others in no order, Kieran Don. Mark Fitz Tomas O Shea Sugrue with Laois After that I am wondering any others. So for me the second in command to Jack, should be some groomed to take over after Jack steps down, succession planning.😎 |
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Post by tribeofciar on Aug 15, 2024 7:57:51 GMT
With Michael Quirke having left the backroom team now and Jack staying on for one more year only, the thinking will surely be more short term rather than a strategic long term plan.
If Kerry win Sam in 2025, Jack will definitely walk away (he might do either way).
Therefore the selector might be more a low key appointment, rather than a high profile person like Donaghy or someone from the U20's backroom, someone Jack trusts won't rock the boat.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 15, 2024 8:55:46 GMT
Thats simply not enough. Not by a long shot. The reality is that we don’t have any potential replacement with inter county experience, bar Eamon Fitz. Mike was up there with guys with a required level of coaching experience at a senior/20 level, others in no order, Kieran Don. Mark Fitz Tomas O Shea Sugrue with Laois After that I am wondering any others. So for me the second in command to Jack, should be some groomed to take over after Jack steps down, succession planning.😎 We have Pat O’Shea - been there, won that. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 15, 2024 10:20:38 GMT
The reality is a intercounty manager for a top team is a full time job.
That's a serious ask a young man with a family and a profession.
Like others I felt our attacking football was really off this year.
I do find the criticism of Paddy Tally unfair.
He was brought in as we were seen as soft defensively.
"You can get at Kerry"
Now that has been addressed and he can be thanked with doing that.
Unfortunately some of our star players just didn't hit form this year and no coach can be blamed for that.
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Post by john4 on Aug 15, 2024 10:53:15 GMT
The quality of attacking coaching across all counties to me seems poor or non existent. Armagh were the only team I could see who tried a few different things in attack with the spine and the one side overload.
Every team do the same recycle and probe. There's no imagination there. A lot made of how bad the mark is for rewarding a player who catches the ball - too easy. If it's so easy why aren't we doing this.
The whole mindset at IC is defence. I can't see any thought being put into the other end
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Post by mike70 on Aug 15, 2024 12:00:47 GMT
The talk on the street is that the proposed rule changes will have a positive impact on the game, feed back has been very positive, when these changes come in not too sure, but hopefully they will swing in favour of a more competitive match.
This will also change our coaching mindset.
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Post by mg72 on Aug 15, 2024 15:50:45 GMT
With Michael Quirke having left the backroom team now and Jack staying on for one more year only, the thinking will surely be more short term rather than a strategic long term plan. If Kerry win Sam in 2025, Jack will definitely walk away (he might do either way). Therefore the selector might be more a low key appointment, rather than a high profile person like Donaghy or someone from the U20's backroom, someone Jack trusts won't rock the boat. Michael O'Shea (Castlegregory) could get the nod if Jack wants someone who will go along with his ideas so.He was a selector before with Jack, and they still meet up regularly. He has been over An Ghaeltacht for the last couple of years. I don't think he'd offer anything to the role myself though. |
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Post by mossie on Aug 15, 2024 21:43:25 GMT
The reality is that we don’t have any potential replacement with inter county experience, bar Eamon Fitz. Mike was up there with guys with a required level of coaching experience at a senior/20 level, others in no order, Kieran Don. Mark Fitz Tomas O Shea Sugrue with Laois After that I am wondering any others. So for me the second in command to Jack, should be some groomed to take over after Jack steps down, succession planning.😎 Its not rocket science.If a manager is good enough he is good enough.The only way to find out if a person is good enough is to give them a chance. Also a good coach might not make a good manager.Many ex players from many counties have said Mickey Ned O Sullivan was one of the best coaches they ever came across but was criticised in Kerry.He also laid the groundwork for our 5 in a row. Remember Jack won the All Ireland in his first stint in 2004 having got the job after managing the under 21s.Ironically his last game in charge of the under 21s Kerry were knocked out of the Munster championship by Waterford. Good pundits might not make good managers either.We wont know till they get the job.Quirke might be a great coach but Im not sure about him as manager.Unless Jack gave them very little say I was disappointed with both Quirke and Murphy. Another top coach is Pat O Shea and he has done it at club and county and from what I hear Pat is brilliant to listen to his selectos viewpoints and is open to all views. The facts are though Jack is mananager still so all this talk is for another day but I do hope we get in a strong selector who can impose their own views. My own view is Jack likes to be the Boss and still feels higher than players that played under him but looked up to players he never managed like Johnny Culloty and Ger O Keefe.It was Ger O Keefe that touted the Donaghy at full forward in 06 (while Jack got the credit). Hopefully we get a strong selector with a good football brain. I have great time for Pat OShea as well |
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Post by The16thMan on Aug 15, 2024 22:17:12 GMT
Its not rocket science.If a manager is good enough he is good enough.The only way to find out if a person is good enough is to give them a chance. Also a good coach might not make a good manager.Many ex players from many counties have said Mickey Ned O Sullivan was one of the best coaches they ever came across but was criticised in Kerry.He also laid the groundwork for our 5 in a row. Remember Jack won the All Ireland in his first stint in 2004 having got the job after managing the under 21s.Ironically his last game in charge of the under 21s Kerry were knocked out of the Munster championship by Waterford. Good pundits might not make good managers either.We wont know till they get the job.Quirke might be a great coach but Im not sure about him as manager.Unless Jack gave them very little say I was disappointed with both Quirke and Murphy. Another top coach is Pat O Shea and he has done it at club and county and from what I hear Pat is brilliant to listen to his selectos viewpoints and is open to all views. The facts are though Jack is mananager still so all this talk is for another day but I do hope we get in a strong selector who can impose their own views. My own view is Jack likes to be the Boss and still feels higher than players that played under him but looked up to players he never managed like Johnny Culloty and Ger O Keefe.It was Ger O Keefe that touted the Donaghy at full forward in 06 (while Jack got the credit). Hopefully we get a strong selector with a good football brain. I have great time for Pat OShea as well I think if Pat took the job in the morning there wouldn't be too many begrudgers but I don't think Pat would be too interested in going for it. |
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Aug 16, 2024 11:08:49 GMT
I only see 3 real options for the next manager; Tomás, Fitzmaurice if he would take it and a Donaghy Quillinan pairing.
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Post by tpo on Aug 16, 2024 14:37:14 GMT
Would agree with you
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Aug 16, 2024 19:16:23 GMT
The only way Sammy will be here in '25 is if Tomás and Donaghy take the reins - let's stop beating around the bush!
Jack knows he is a gonner but I think he hasn't the liathróidi to walk - it would look like was accepting it was his fault.
I mean it isn't as if we are blaming someone just because we didn't win - the fact is we have a brilliant crop of talent, neither of the finalists have complete panels while we are overflowing; but we have a players rule book that states 'Thou shalt not.....'
For the love of God will someone in a position of authority do something and take everyone out of their misery, Jack included!
Another issue I have is that Tatler or indeed anyone shouldn't be Chairman for a second term - I mean what is so good about him? He is no Daniel O'Connell either - are we really appointing the lest worst, all the while the talent is spilling down under?
I think we need a clean sweep and hopefully we can reinvigorate what is now a mature team and let the Cliffords, etc claim their just rewards. There is only a limited window of years in a lad's career and pride on the part of a few shouldn't be allowed stand in their way.
Tomás and Donaghy would have won Sam with us this year and I think they are both experienced enough team players to make step up.
Ballyfireside quote of the day - Your county needs you!
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 16, 2024 21:22:10 GMT
You make a compelling argument
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Post by The16thMan on Aug 16, 2024 23:42:00 GMT
The only way Sammy will be here in '25 is if Tomás and Donaghy take the reins - let's stop beating around the bush! Jack knows he is a gonner but I think he hasn't the liathróidi to walk - it would look like was accepting it was his fault. I mean it isn't as if we are blaming someone just because we didn't win - the fact is we have a brilliant crop of talent, neither of the finalists have complete panels while we are overflowing; but we have a players rule book that states 'Thou shalt not.....' For the love of God will someone in a position of authority do something and take everyone out of their misery, Jack included! Another issue I have is that Tatler or indeed anyone shouldn't be Chairman for a second term - I mean what is so good about him? He is no Daniel O'Connell either - are we really appointing the lest worst, all the while the talent is spilling down under? I think we need a clean sweep and hopefully we can reinvigorate what is now a mature team and let the Cliffords, etc claim their just rewards. There is only a limited window of years in a lad's career and pride on the part of a few shouldn't be allowed stand in their way. Tomás and Donaghy would have won Sam with us this year and I think they are both experienced enough team players to make step up. Ballyfireside quote of the day - Your county needs you!We dont know for sure Tomas or Donaghy would win us Sam but only one way to find out.Donaghy was part of Armaghs backroom team but we dont know for sure how much influence he had.He is popular in Armagh no doubt and Armagh forwards have imoroved under his influence for sure. The facts are though that Jack is staying on so what we want is a selector than can influence Jack and not tip the cap to him.We also need a forwards coach. Jack has to let the reins loosen a little and also try new players.Jack throughout his terms does nt bring in too many new players. Take a chance and give players a proper chance. Well whatever about Donaghy lads but the fact is whoever Jack brings in for Quirke as a coach/selector will have a big say on what Kerry we see in 2025 as I think Quirke and Tally did 90% of the coaching between them and the new coach/selector will show us what Jack thinks Kerry need to improve on and also the style of football he's looking to play in 2025. If it's another defensive coach we can write off 2025 and I also think it will turn away alot of supporters from attending games. Big decision to be made. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 17, 2024 4:21:29 GMT
Did I read here that Paddy Tally is being considered for the Monaghan job? Any Monaghan officer reading this Forum please take note. He is your man. A more insightful, creative , forward thinking guru you will not find on this island. I repeat “ forward “ thinking . Most contributors to this Forum will testify to that. As a sweetener, as a gesture of goodwill , as a luck penny we are prepared to throw in the other members of our think tank. They work best as a unit. Don’t dither now. There will be cut throat competition for these boys. Mystic Murt suggesting Tally will stay but someone else is leaving. Mystic Murt suggesting Tally will go. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 17, 2024 7:04:24 GMT
Mystic Murt suggesting Tally will stay but someone else is leaving. Mystic Murt suggesting Tally will go. Would Mystic Murty ever suggest self retirement. Although I've gotten used to clubber on mute |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 17, 2024 7:33:35 GMT
Mystic Murt suggesting Tally will go. Would Mystic Murty ever suggest self retirement. Although I've gotten used to clubber on mute Mystic (pejorative). |
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Post by veteran on Aug 17, 2024 9:04:07 GMT
Do we know if KD is staying with Armagh for another season? Has any official statement been issued by him or by the Armagh executive?
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 17, 2024 10:21:27 GMT
Do we know if KD is staying with Armagh for another season? Has any official statement been issued by him or by the Armagh executive? No statements only off season speculation filling newspapers inches. The truth is KD would be a fool to leave Armagh. I would consider his time with them and Galway more educational, a learning curve to gain experience. He will learn more in 2025 than he will ever learn from 2024, the weight of expectation while having a target on their collective backs. This new pressure is a one off for Armagh but an annual cross for Kerry management to endure. I'd be very happy with KD to experience this for the coming year, the time put in will stand to both he and any respective management ticket he will be involved in with us in the future. |
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Post by pillar on Aug 17, 2024 10:54:01 GMT
I found it most unusual that Mike Quirke announced his stepping away on social media. Would it not be better done through a County Board statement. If all rumours are to be believed it looks like the present management team will not be together heading into 2025, the last year of its project. Is the time right to reboot and give a whole new fresh approach. I know KD has been earning plaudits for his Armagh role but what is his strengths. Conleth Gilligan seemed to get a lot of credit having come on board over the winter. Was Gilligan the missing piece for McGeeney. Might the time be right for all the brains of Kerry football to come together and plot a course for all our inter county teams going forward. Do we have to mimic Derry or Armaghs style when we play them. Can we stay true to our own traditions with a hybrid approach. I'm not sure cobbling a management team together for one year is the way forward. I think we need to come up a five year plan and stick to it.
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Post by mike70 on Aug 17, 2024 11:32:41 GMT
Social media is the communication tool of the day, but agree, surprised that it was not first launched via county board, I stand to be corrected.
The reality is that we don’t have any prospects that have managed at this level, outside Pat o shea, Eamon Fitz and Peter Keane, all others are pretenders to the throne, we chat about Tomas and KD, one has managed kids the other in a senior support role, love to see either or both in the kerry camp for a year before ascending to the throne.
Other options as support to Jack would be Gooch, mark o shea, someone mentioned Dec Sullivan, all good options for sure, as mentioned, YOUR COUNTY NEEDS YOU, but the question is does Jack.
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