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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 25, 2024 18:32:07 GMT
The only reason I would not attend matches other than personal commitments etc is if I did not care anymore about Kerry football.
I may not be happy currently but I certainly care and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 25, 2024 18:36:57 GMT
I'll put this in here also, just out of curiosity. Not just for season ticket holders, but in general, are people leaning on the side of not attending matches next year after what they saw this year. The Season Ticket scheme seems to have lost whatever value it had in last couple of years, I gave it up 9 years ago because I just found it more economical even then to pay game by game and hope to find an AI ticket when it came to it (abusing a uni student card for about 8 years after graduation also helped 😀) Barely want to think about football at the moment, but come 1 January I'm sure I'll be so starved I'd queue a week in advance for the first McGrath Cup match 😆 The season ticket is now too expensive having to buy tickets for meaningless games to get a guaranteed ticket for the final if your county qualify. A combined total of 3,500 for Sunday between Galway & Armagh is proof it’s lost its value. The club scene will dominate for the next 6 weeks & then it’s county championship season - supporters of successful clubs will be drained not to mention the demands placed on the players.
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Post by ciarraimick on Jul 25, 2024 18:43:21 GMT
Out of curiosity, as I've heard a few people say this to me in person. Are there many season ticket holders planning on not renewing for next season, bar a change in management? I'll put this in here also, just out of curiosity. Not just for season ticket holders, but in general, are people leaning on the side of not attending matches next year after what they saw this year. That could be true.I have spoken to a few who saying they have no interest in watching Kerry the way they playing at mo but often those things are said in jest and when the league returns people will go back.Some of the people I hear complaining dont go to too many matches anyway. Tbh often after a defeat like that people come out with all sorts of statements.Deep down I think many in Kerry felt this was an All Ireland there for the taking like 21 with the Dubs gone. I posted recently about meeting a former player from Kerry who was so disgusted after the Derry game said "it would serve them right if they got the sh*** bate out of them".Tbf to him I think it was said more in frustration. Back to your post I think most of the regular supporters who normally go will be back attending games again next year.
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Post by pony on Jul 26, 2024 9:48:59 GMT
I'll put this in here also, just out of curiosity. Not just for season ticket holders, but in general, are people leaning on the side of not attending matches next year after what they saw this year. That could be true.I have spoken to a few who saying they have no interest in watching Kerry the way they playing at mo but often those things are said in jest and when the league returns people will go back.Some of the people I hear complaining dont go to too many matches anyway. Tbh often after a defeat like that people come out with all sorts of statements.Deep down I think many in Kerry felt this was an All Ireland there for the taking like 21 with the Dubs gone. I posted recently about meeting a former player from Kerry who was so disgusted after the Derry game said "it would serve them right if they got the sh*** bate out of them".Tbf to him I think it was said more in frustration. Back to your post I think most of the regular supporters who normally go will be back attending games again next year. An awful lot of blame being put on Jack and Kerry for the current state of football. Did this "former player" offer up any suggestions on how he'd play against such a defensive set up like Derry's? I found the game to be poor, but I also would categorise the second half as a satisfying performance, we've tried to attack the defensive set ups and it backfired, badly. I would agree, our attacking play this year was laboured and slow and never clicked. I was as frustrated as anyone when our defenders had turnovers against Armagh, and the break was on, only to go lateral or backwards. Jack and co. have given us some of the most satisfying wins in recent times, Tyrone & Derry last year, Dublin, Mayo and the final the year before, and have basically been a kick of a ball (and massive errors) from giving us one or two more, while not even coming close to peak performance, especially versus Armagh. Was it our poorest performance since Jack came back? This "I'm not going anymore" and "it would serve them right if they got the sh*** bate out of them" stinks of toys being thrown out of the cot
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Post by ciarraimick on Jul 26, 2024 10:13:44 GMT
That could be true.I have spoken to a few who saying they have no interest in watching Kerry the way they playing at mo but often those things are said in jest and when the league returns people will go back.Some of the people I hear complaining dont go to too many matches anyway. Tbh often after a defeat like that people come out with all sorts of statements.Deep down I think many in Kerry felt this was an All Ireland there for the taking like 21 with the Dubs gone. I posted recently about meeting a former player from Kerry who was so disgusted after the Derry game said "it would serve them right if they got the sh*** bate out of them".Tbf to him I think it was said more in frustration. Back to your post I think most of the regular supporters who normally go will be back attending games again next year. An awful lot of blame being put on Jack and Kerry for the current state of football. Did this "former player" offer up any suggestions on how he'd play against such a defensive set up like Derry's? I found the game to be poor, but I also would categorise the second half as a satisfying performance, we've tried to attack the defensive set ups and it backfired, badly. I would agree, our attacking play this year was laboured and slow and never clicked. I was as frustrated as anyone when our defenders had turnovers against Armagh, and the break was on, only to go lateral or backwards. Jack and co. have given us some of the most satisfying wins in recent times, Tyrone & Derry last year, Dublin, Mayo and the final the year before, and have basically been a kick of a ball (and massive errors) from giving us one or two more, while not even coming close to peak performance, especially versus Armagh. Was it our poorest performance since Jack came back? This "I'm not going anymore" and "it would serve them right if they got the sh*** bate out of them" stinks of toys being thrown out of the cot No this former player did nt offer anything just the throw away comment.I agree with you pn people throwing the toys out of the pram.I often find most of these people saying they are nt going anymore dont go too much anyway altho would be the first looking for final tickets.I know I will be back attending games straight away.
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Post by exiled on Jul 26, 2024 21:25:57 GMT
As far as people not going to games I don't think they are real supporters. I've been going for close to 50 50 years and not going to stop now. Always and ever a Kerryman.
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Post by jackiel on Jul 26, 2024 22:06:27 GMT
An awful lot of blame being put on Jack and Kerry for the current state of football. Did this "former player" offer up any suggestions on how he'd play against such a defensive set up like Derry's? I found the game to be poor, but I also would categorise the second half as a satisfying performance, we've tried to attack the defensive set ups and it backfired, badly. I would agree, our attacking play this year was laboured and slow and never clicked. I was as frustrated as anyone when our defenders had turnovers against Armagh, and the break was on, only to go lateral or backwards. Jack and co. have given us some of the most satisfying wins in recent times, Tyrone & Derry last year, Dublin, Mayo and the final the year before, and have basically been a kick of a ball (and massive errors) from giving us one or two more, while not even coming close to peak performance, especially versus Armagh. Was it our poorest performance since Jack came back? This "I'm not going anymore" and "it would serve them right if they got the sh*** bate out of them" stinks of toys being thrown out of the cot No this former player did nt offer anything just the throw away comment.I agree with you pn people throwing the toys out of the pram.I often find most of these people saying they are nt going anymore dont go too much anyway altho would be the first looking for final tickets.I know I will be back attending games straight away. I'm with you 100% Mick. People who sit at home for most of the season and then rock up for the final. Our support for the semi was pitiful. I've already said that I'll be back on the road the last weekend in Jan and I guarantee I'll see a lot of the same faces as every other year.
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Post by ciarraimick on Jul 26, 2024 22:48:46 GMT
No this former player did nt offer anything just the throw away comment.I agree with you pn people throwing the toys out of the pram.I often find most of these people saying they are nt going anymore dont go too much anyway altho would be the first looking for final tickets.I know I will be back attending games straight away. I'm with you 100% Mick. People who sit at home for most of the season and then rock up for the final. Our support for the semi was pitiful. I've already said that I'll be back on the road the last weekend in Jan and I guarantee I'll see a lot of the same faces as every other year. Fair play to you Jackiel
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 27, 2024 18:31:18 GMT
Anyone calling for Paul Geaney to hang up the boots may be a premature going on tonight's display.
Dingle looked sharp sharp
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Post by ciarraimick on Jul 27, 2024 19:59:03 GMT
Anyone calling for Paul Geaney to hang up the boots may be a premature going on tonight's display. Dingle looked sharp sharp Paul Geaney scored 5 points from play v Monaghan in this years championship.While not his best year,I feel Paul has more to offer.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 27, 2024 20:15:54 GMT
It would have been great this year to have Paul coming off the bench with 20 minutes to go when there is a bit more space. If someone else can step up next year from the start, Paul would be a serious impact player.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 27, 2024 21:06:12 GMT
It would have been great this year to have Paul coming off the bench with 20 minutes to go when there is a bit more space. If someone else can step up next year from the start, Paul would be a serious impact player. I think his cousin may replace him in the starting team eventually, however, Paul still has a vital place in my opinion. Not wanting to sound cold or cruel, but has White regressed? On a positive, at stages today Mark Shea and Keating look like two that warrant a look.
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Post by givehimaball on Jul 28, 2024 11:55:39 GMT
It would have been great this year to have Paul coming off the bench with 20 minutes to go when there is a bit more space. If someone else can step up next year from the start, Paul would be a serious impact player. I think his cousin may replace him in the starting team eventually, however, Paul still has a vital place in my opinion. Not wanting to sound cold or cruel, but has White regressed? On a positive, at stages today Mark Shea and Keating look like two that warrant a look. Pretty sure that Keating is heading to Oz in a few months?
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Post by The16thMan on Jul 29, 2024 22:33:51 GMT
One Major Observation:
I've just watched The Sunday Game (evening show) and what they have highlighted the big problem with Gaelic Football is the lack of goals and goal chances in games and it is very evident.
Only 1 team, in 1 game, managed to score more than 1 goal in the knockout stages of the All Ireland Championship.
This was Armagh vs Roscommon where they managed 2 goals.
No game had more than 2 goals between both teams in the knockout stages.
11 knockout games (including preliminary quarter finals):
Games with 2 goals = 3 Games with 1 goal = 4 Games with 0 goals = 4
What the new rules committee need to really get to grips with is the lack of danger posed by inside forward lines nowadays due to the lack of space they get.
As a result there are very little goals or chances being created, a lot of goals scored this year were lucky rebounds from balls dropping short or from goalkeeper errors.
There HAS to be changes made that allow for space for the attacker. Goals change games and make them interesting, upsets don't come easy without goals. We have to see more 1on1 battles and teams best forwards at least having chances to show why they are the best forwards.
Look at scoring rates (from play) from inside forwards in these games and there is a noticeable drop. We saw how Galway and Armaghs inside forward lines totalled 1 point from play (Shane Walsh 2nd half).
Galway had 0 goal chances. Armagh had 1. Also Galway took 3 minutes of handpassing around the Armagh 45 at the end (prior Dylan McHugh hitting post) to try and conjure up a shot when they were running out of time and chasing an equaliser. This is very common nowadays, very similar to the Kerry v Derry game.
All this is whats wrong with the modern game, and until this pattern changes we will see less and less entertaining games, big crowds and less of the marquee forwards lighting up pur Stadia like we had before. We will continue to see this controlled, robotic and predictable strategies.
I think these new rules (whichever they choose to propose) might be the last chance to save Gaelic Football.
This should make the league in 2025 all the more important and intriguing.
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Post by thehermit on Aug 14, 2024 9:15:23 GMT
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Post by pillar on Aug 14, 2024 9:25:00 GMT
Is Paddy Tally involved again I wonder..if not there's major changes ahraad.
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Post by glengael on Aug 14, 2024 9:56:01 GMT
You'd wonder if Mike Quirke might be taking on a role elsewhere - maybe biding his time until the Kerry senior job comes up...
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Post by thehermit on Aug 14, 2024 10:10:03 GMT
I assume it means Jack's staying but the backroom will be overhauled.
For me what's crucial to be in place for January is someone who can bring a new attacking tactical approach and bringing in someone how can instill a bit more mental toughness and fortitude in the panel.
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Post by pillar on Aug 14, 2024 10:20:15 GMT
I assume it means Jack's staying but the backroom will be overhauled. For me what's crucial to be in place for January is someone who can bring a new attacking tactical approach and bringing in someone how can instill a bit more mental toughness and fortitude in the panel. Personally I think the project is now a 3 year job. If it's decided that Jack is the man for the job offer him that. One year is neither here nor there
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Post by shannonsider on Aug 14, 2024 10:20:52 GMT
You'd wonder if Mike Quirke might be taking on a role elsewhere - maybe biding his time until the Kerry senior job comes up... What in the name of God has Mike Quirke done to justify getting even mentioned for Kerry Senior job?
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Post by kerrylad38 on Aug 14, 2024 10:39:13 GMT
Would Shane Ryan be an option for 2025 at full forward really like him at full forward with rathmore big strong physical presence at full forward a great ball winner and also knows where the posts are might be what Kerry need
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 14, 2024 10:52:41 GMT
You'd wonder if Mike Quirke might be taking on a role elsewhere - maybe biding his time until the Kerry senior job comes up... What in the name of God has Mike Quirke done to justify getting even mentioned for Kerry Senior job? He has gained a lot of experience as a club & inter county manager - highly regarded as a coach too. He was probably unlucky with KO’R as Crokes were in their pomp at the time he was in charge. KO’R also played a nice style of football while he was in charge. As a player has been involved in 4 All Ireland winning squads - ticks a lot of boxes.
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Post by kot on Aug 14, 2024 11:07:14 GMT
Not sure I can remember many instances of a selector publicly announcing he is stepping away from a role like that.
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Post by kot on Aug 14, 2024 11:08:50 GMT
What in the name of God has Mike Quirke done to justify getting even mentioned for Kerry Senior job? He has gained a lot of experience as a club & inter county manager - highly regarded as a coach too. He was probably unlucky with KO’R as Crokes were in their pomp at the time he was in charge. ammmm Laois???
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Post by kot on Aug 14, 2024 11:09:47 GMT
I assume it means Jack's staying but the backroom will be overhauled. For me what's crucial to be in place for January is someone who can bring a new attacking tactical approach and bringing in someone how can instill a bit more mental toughness and fortitude in the panel. Personally I think the project is now a 3 year job. If it's decided that Jack is the man for the job offer him that. One year is neither here nor there Also getting late in the day to make the change that is needed, so we are looking at 6 years of Jack's reign? Surely not!?
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Post by pillar on Aug 14, 2024 11:12:28 GMT
Personally I think the project is now a 3 year job. If it's decided that Jack is the man for the job offer him that. One year is neither here nor there Also getting late in the day to make the change that is needed, so we are looking at 6 years of Jack's reign? Surely not!? I'm not advocating either way but it's definitely time for a new approach, which needs time to progress
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 14, 2024 11:46:06 GMT
Not sure I can remember many instances of a selector publicly announcing he is stepping away from a role like that. This is no surprise and was mentioned a few weeks after the Armagh game, I'm nearly sure i even posted in the aftermath, it's commonly known there'll be changes also in the U20 back room. I actually really rate Michael, was involved with him for a short stint good few years back, very learned and knowledgeable on the game, anyone who has ever attended his sessions as GDA or read his articles in examiner know the depth of his thinking... I think he would be there or there abouts depending on who would be with him when Jack steps aside. He ticks a lot of boxes. The worrying thing is, there aren't many high enough profile coaches with experience and credibility within the county.. we're not exactly flush with options... a good few tick three or four of the five boxes required.. but very few tick all five. Regardless this talk is pointless until Jack steps to one side.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Aug 14, 2024 11:47:12 GMT
One of our biggest issues is not being able to go long on our kick outs. Any time we were pressured into doing so, we coughed up possession & scores. Asking our backs to carry the ball up the field means meeting all kinds of barriers on the way up the pitch & gives the opposition time to flood their own defence. No wonder our ball carriers were gassed so early V Armagh. We need to address this.
We seem to be hammering our own hammer by setting up to counteract the opposition. We need to play to our strengths, have our forwards on the end of moves not Dylan Casey, Foley, Murphy etc.
A midfield that functions as a midfield should be one of the main priorities for the season ahead. Time for a right good shake up of ideas and energy. Our lads looked like they were going through the motions a lot this year. Training must be insufferable for them.
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Post by shannonsider on Aug 14, 2024 12:04:18 GMT
What in the name of God has Mike Quirke done to justify getting even mentioned for Kerry Senior job? He has gained a lot of experience as a club & inter county manager - highly regarded as a coach too. He was probably unlucky with KO’R as Crokes were in their pomp at the time he was in charge. KO’R also played a nice style of football while he was in charge. As a player has been involved in 4 All Ireland winning squads - ticks a lot of boxes. How did his time as an inter county manager go?
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 14, 2024 12:20:04 GMT
He has gained a lot of experience as a club & inter county manager - highly regarded as a coach too. He was probably unlucky with KO’R as Crokes were in their pomp at the time he was in charge. KO’R also played a nice style of football while he was in charge. As a player has been involved in 4 All Ireland winning squads - ticks a lot of boxes. How did his time as an inter county manager go? It was mixed - two year stint, took them over whilst they were in Div 2, maintained their status, beat Longford in Leinster championship. Following year relegated after losing a play off, lost heavily to Westmeath. My point is the guy has the experience & I think we need change at the top - we have, under Jack & Tally, regressed in my opinion .
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