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Post by pillar on Aug 14, 2024 9:25:00 GMT
Is Paddy Tally involved again I wonder..if not there's major changes ahraad. |
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Post by glengael on Aug 14, 2024 9:56:01 GMT
You'd wonder if Mike Quirke might be taking on a role elsewhere - maybe biding his time until the Kerry senior job comes up...
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Post by thehermit on Aug 14, 2024 10:10:03 GMT
I assume it means Jack's staying but the backroom will be overhauled.
For me what's crucial to be in place for January is someone who can bring a new attacking tactical approach and bringing in someone how can instill a bit more mental toughness and fortitude in the panel.
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Post by pillar on Aug 14, 2024 10:20:15 GMT
I assume it means Jack's staying but the backroom will be overhauled. For me what's crucial to be in place for January is someone who can bring a new attacking tactical approach and bringing in someone how can instill a bit more mental toughness and fortitude in the panel. Personally I think the project is now a 3 year job. If it's decided that Jack is the man for the job offer him that. One year is neither here nor there |
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Post by shannonsider on Aug 14, 2024 10:20:52 GMT
You'd wonder if Mike Quirke might be taking on a role elsewhere - maybe biding his time until the Kerry senior job comes up... What in the name of God has Mike Quirke done to justify getting even mentioned for Kerry Senior job? |
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Post by kerrylad38 on Aug 14, 2024 10:39:13 GMT
Would Shane Ryan be an option for 2025 at full forward really like him at full forward with rathmore big strong physical presence at full forward a great ball winner and also knows where the posts are might be what Kerry need
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 14, 2024 10:52:41 GMT
You'd wonder if Mike Quirke might be taking on a role elsewhere - maybe biding his time until the Kerry senior job comes up... What in the name of God has Mike Quirke done to justify getting even mentioned for Kerry Senior job? He has gained a lot of experience as a club & inter county manager - highly regarded as a coach too. He was probably unlucky with KO’R as Crokes were in their pomp at the time he was in charge. KO’R also played a nice style of football while he was in charge. As a player has been involved in 4 All Ireland winning squads - ticks a lot of boxes. |
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Post by kot on Aug 14, 2024 11:07:14 GMT
Not sure I can remember many instances of a selector publicly announcing he is stepping away from a role like that. |
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Post by kot on Aug 14, 2024 11:08:50 GMT
What in the name of God has Mike Quirke done to justify getting even mentioned for Kerry Senior job? He has gained a lot of experience as a club & inter county manager - highly regarded as a coach too. He was probably unlucky with KO’R as Crokes were in their pomp at the time he was in charge. ammmm Laois???  |
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Post by kot on Aug 14, 2024 11:09:47 GMT
I assume it means Jack's staying but the backroom will be overhauled. For me what's crucial to be in place for January is someone who can bring a new attacking tactical approach and bringing in someone how can instill a bit more mental toughness and fortitude in the panel. Personally I think the project is now a 3 year job. If it's decided that Jack is the man for the job offer him that. One year is neither here nor there Also getting late in the day to make the change that is needed, so we are looking at 6 years of Jack's reign? Surely not!? |
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Post by pillar on Aug 14, 2024 11:12:28 GMT
Personally I think the project is now a 3 year job. If it's decided that Jack is the man for the job offer him that. One year is neither here nor there Also getting late in the day to make the change that is needed, so we are looking at 6 years of Jack's reign? Surely not!? I'm not advocating either way but it's definitely time for a new approach, which needs time to progress |
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 14, 2024 11:46:06 GMT
Not sure I can remember many instances of a selector publicly announcing he is stepping away from a role like that. This is no surprise and was mentioned a few weeks after the Armagh game, I'm nearly sure i even posted in the aftermath, it's commonly known there'll be changes also in the U20 back room. I actually really rate Michael, was involved with him for a short stint good few years back, very learned and knowledgeable on the game, anyone who has ever attended his sessions as GDA or read his articles in examiner know the depth of his thinking... I think he would be there or there abouts depending on who would be with him when Jack steps aside. He ticks a lot of boxes. The worrying thing is, there aren't many high enough profile coaches with experience and credibility within the county.. we're not exactly flush with options... a good few tick three or four of the five boxes required.. but very few tick all five. Regardless this talk is pointless until Jack steps to one side. |
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Aug 14, 2024 11:47:12 GMT
One of our biggest issues is not being able to go long on our kick outs. Any time we were pressured into doing so, we coughed up possession & scores. Asking our backs to carry the ball up the field means meeting all kinds of barriers on the way up the pitch & gives the opposition time to flood their own defence. No wonder our ball carriers were gassed so early V Armagh. We need to address this.
We seem to be hammering our own hammer by setting up to counteract the opposition. We need to play to our strengths, have our forwards on the end of moves not Dylan Casey, Foley, Murphy etc.
A midfield that functions as a midfield should be one of the main priorities for the season ahead. Time for a right good shake up of ideas and energy. Our lads looked like they were going through the motions a lot this year. Training must be insufferable for them.
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Post by shannonsider on Aug 14, 2024 12:04:18 GMT
What in the name of God has Mike Quirke done to justify getting even mentioned for Kerry Senior job? He has gained a lot of experience as a club & inter county manager - highly regarded as a coach too. He was probably unlucky with KO’R as Crokes were in their pomp at the time he was in charge. KO’R also played a nice style of football while he was in charge. As a player has been involved in 4 All Ireland winning squads - ticks a lot of boxes. How did his time as an inter county manager go? |
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 14, 2024 12:20:04 GMT
He has gained a lot of experience as a club & inter county manager - highly regarded as a coach too. He was probably unlucky with KO’R as Crokes were in their pomp at the time he was in charge. KO’R also played a nice style of football while he was in charge. As a player has been involved in 4 All Ireland winning squads - ticks a lot of boxes. How did his time as an inter county manager go? It was mixed - two year stint, took them over whilst they were in Div 2, maintained their status, beat Longford in Leinster championship. Following year relegated after losing a play off, lost heavily to Westmeath. My point is the guy has the experience & I think we need change at the top - we have, under Jack & Tally, regressed in my opinion . |
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Post by Lolly Valance on Aug 14, 2024 12:21:57 GMT
Looking at it from the outside I can see why Micheál decided to step away. Especially after this year. Seeing his KOR and Laois teams play they always played football and tried to move the ball from back to front quickly. Its hard to marry that to what Kerry were playing in the last 18 months.
I don’t think it matters who comes in to be honest if we are insisting on playing this style of football.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 14, 2024 12:48:06 GMT
Looking at it from the outside I can see why Micheál decided to step away. Especially after this year. Seeing his KOR and Laois teams play they always played football and tried to move the ball from back to front quickly. Its hard to marry that to what Kerry were playing in the last 18 months. I don’t think it matters who comes in to be honest if we are insisting on playing this style of football. A change at the top should see a different style - we have lost our tradition, replaced it with tedious boring tactics - surely this has to change. We now hold onto possession ad nauseam, have no idea how to involve David C in a tight game - Tally’s influence, for me, is to our detriment & the manager has shown no ambition in how to win games. One instance is the Armagh game - we were 4 points up 3 times: 0-06 to 0-02, 0-10 to 0-06, 1-11 to 0-10 - we kept giving up the kick out all day instead of going for the kill - this was especially evident after our goal - why did we not change our approach then & attack? Why - our conservatism, that’s why. Gavin White, for me, now epitomises our approach - a dynamic wing back, who loves to attack - that has changed dramatically over past two years - he barely gets forward now, deliveries are mostly by hand - it’s a regressive style & looks like a fear of losing rather than an approach to winning. |
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Post by kerryblueboy on Aug 14, 2024 12:54:06 GMT
Quirke should be nowhere near the conversation for the next Kerry manager done nothing to be considered saying he is popular with the players is like the old Donie Buckley talk tally is in the running for the Monaghan job apparently so might be a big overhaul
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 14, 2024 13:14:12 GMT
Quirke should be nowhere near the conversation for the next Kerry manager done nothing to be considered saying he is popular with the players is like the old Donie Buckley talk tally is in the running for the Monaghan job apparently so might be a big overhaul Same was said about Fitzmaurice about how much he was liked etc by the players and that didn't end well. |
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 14, 2024 13:31:55 GMT
This is exactly the kind of thing I feared would be seen as a solution to our woes. While it appears to be a personal decision by Mike and not the Co. Board, it is still the edges that are being tinkered with. It won’t change anything if the manager remains the same. Damien Duff walked away from Stephen Kenny and it didn’t make a blind bit of difference. A cleanout is needed.
Any comments about Mike Quirke and Laois have to be seen in the long shadow of John Sugrue. Laois appointed two new managers John and Eddie Brennan as hurling manager. John had great success and after a couple of years had a meeting with the Co. Board after which John left the role. Eddie Brennan stayed on as hurling manager. Dual counties always give priority to hurling. It would appear that John did not get the support he wanted from the board to progress further. Mike took up the role after that. He was taking a job where support was limited. He was pushing a rock up a mountain. Things have gotten even worse for Laois football.
Regardless of that, Mike is not the man to take over now. Even if his philosophy favours attacking football he needs a period in quarantine to decontaminate.
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Post by shannonsider on Aug 14, 2024 14:27:37 GMT
How did his time as an inter county manager go? It was mixed - two year stint, took them over whilst they were in Div 2, maintained their status, beat Longford in Leinster championship. Following year relegated after losing a play off, lost heavily to Westmeath. My point is the guy has the experience & I think we need change at the top - we have, under Jack & Tally, regressed in my opinion . His time in Laois was an utter disaster and trying to spin it is hilarious. They were beaten in pretty much every game in his second year including a record championship defeat to Westmeath by 20 pts I think it was. And this is the man you want in charge of Kerry? I can only pray the county board hold candidates to higher standards. |
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 14, 2024 15:26:46 GMT
A selector is essentially a second fiddle and his influence is down to the managers openness to listen - Jack is very much his own man and I believe his selectors have limited input - others have left after giving it a year or more, possibly when they tire of not being able to influence the direction as much as they like.
The one positive of being a selector is being on the inside, getting to know the players and the set up. Any decent coach (and Quirke is a decent coach) would benefit from being a selector for a couple of years and would improve their chances of taking the #1 position in the future.
Those pointing to his lack of success with Laois need to ask what have Laois achieved with and without him - very difficult to make a silk purse from a sows ear.....
Thanks for your service Mike and we may or may not see you involved with the senior team in the future.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 14, 2024 15:46:17 GMT
It was mixed - two year stint, took them over whilst they were in Div 2, maintained their status, beat Longford in Leinster championship. Following year relegated after losing a play off, lost heavily to Westmeath. My point is the guy has the experience & I think we need change at the top - we have, under Jack & Tally, regressed in my opinion . His time in Laois was an utter disaster and trying to spin it is hilarious. They were beaten in pretty much every game in his second year including a record championship defeat to Westmeath by 20 pts I think it was. And this is the man you want in charge of Kerry? I can only pray the county board hold candidates to higher standards. There’s no spin - his first year in charge in Div 2 , Laois gains 7 points, 3 wins and a draw - one of those wins was against Armagh who were one of the 2 promoted teams. His second year was against the backdrop of Covid - a 4 team league, they lost all 3. Laois, in isolation, should not define Quirke - he is a very fine coach, has a deep knowledge of the game & modern in his thinking. |
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Post by shannonsider on Aug 14, 2024 15:51:57 GMT
His time in Laois was an utter disaster and trying to spin it is hilarious. They were beaten in pretty much every game in his second year including a record championship defeat to Westmeath by 20 pts I think it was. And this is the man you want in charge of Kerry? I can only pray the county board hold candidates to higher standards. There’s no spin - his first year in charge in Div 2 , Laois gains 7 points, 3 wins and a draw - one of those wins was against Armagh who were one of the 2 promoted teams. His second year was against the backdrop of Covid - a 4 team league, they lost all 3. Laois, in isolation, should not define Quirke - he is a very fine coach, has a deep knowledge of the game & modern in his thinking. Listen, opinions can differ but you are either a club mate or related to Quirke if you think he’s Kerry manager material would be my reading of it. You’d say something if a guy had a top track record at club level or underage level with schools or Kerry but he has none of that. What’s your justification for saying “he’s a fine coach who has a deep knowledge of the game”?? Podcasts and media stuff? |
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 14, 2024 16:03:52 GMT
There’s no spin - his first year in charge in Div 2 , Laois gains 7 points, 3 wins and a draw - one of those wins was against Armagh who were one of the 2 promoted teams. His second year was against the backdrop of Covid - a 4 team league, they lost all 3. Laois, in isolation, should not define Quirke - he is a very fine coach, has a deep knowledge of the game & modern in his thinking. Listen, opinions can differ but you are either a club mate or related to Quirke if you think he’s Kerry manager material would be my reading of it. You’d say something if a guy had a top track record at club level or underage level with schools or Kerry but he has none of that. What’s your justification for saying “he’s a fine coach who has a deep knowledge of the game”?? Podcasts and media stuff? Ha , I am neither a club mate nor a relation!! I have attended some of his coaching sessions, listened to his theories & have been impressed by him - he has managed @ club & county level & just served 3 years with our senior team. Other posters here have high opinions of him also - “ Any decent coach (and Quirke is a decent coach) would benefit from being a selector for a couple of years and would improve their chances of taking the #1 position in the future.“ As you say, it’s just an opinion - I think we need change at the top & would not mind if he was the man to get the job. You think otherwise, that’s your prerogative. |
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Post by veteran on Aug 14, 2024 16:09:50 GMT
Did I read here that Paddy Tally is being considered for the Monaghan job? Any Monaghan officer reading this Forum please take note. He is your man. A more insightful, creative , forward thinking guru you will not find on this island. I repeat “ forward “ thinking . Most contributors to this Forum will testify to that. As a sweetener, as a gesture of goodwill , as a luck penny we are prepared to throw in the other members of our think tank. They work best as a unit. Don’t dither now. There will be cut throat competition for these boys.
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Aug 14, 2024 19:21:26 GMT
There will be posturing, suspicion, conspiracy, fear of what the neighbours might think, etc - if Kerry are the greatest then we should rise above all that nonsense and let our voice be heard.
For my tuppence worth, how can we expect Cillian to sacrifice another year, maybe his career; and indeed the 35 others and the backroom team and the supporters, when we are consistently playing with fear, fear and more fear?
Methinks it is bata agus bóthar for where that fear comes from or no céad míle fáilte go Chorn Sam Mhic Uidhir í 2025!
Otherwise it will spread - it already has!
Those more expert than the likes of me need to talk up - I don't hear any voices saying anyone should stay so is it a silent majority or is there an elephant in the room?
Ballyfireside quote of the day - He who can't change himself can't change anything, and if he could why didn't he?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 14, 2024 19:56:23 GMT
Did I read here that Paddy Tally is being considered for the Monaghan job? Any Monaghan officer reading this Forum please take note. He is your man. A more insightful, creative , forward thinking guru you will not find on this island. I repeat “ forward “ thinking . Most contributors to this Forum will testify to that. As a sweetener, as a gesture of goodwill , as a luck penny we are prepared to throw in the other members of our think tank. They work best as a unit. Don’t dither now. There will be cut throat competition for these boys. Mystic Murt suggesting Tally will stay but someone else is leaving. |
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Post by ciarrai74 on Aug 14, 2024 20:22:49 GMT
Rumour mill in full flow. Heard on the grapevine that P.Tally is going elsewhere plus we will have a new Strength and Conditioning team too.
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Post by Lolly Valance on Aug 14, 2024 20:34:31 GMT
Can't see the S&C changing. Is mcgahan not a full time county board employee?
Looking back over the threads from the last year our two, both Quinlan at minor level and tom se at u20 have been criticised as being too defensive at times.
I think quirke will make a good manager in the future. Not saying he is a cert to be a Kerry manager but, could see him involved as part of a ticket with the likes of Sean Sullivan, Donaghy and a Galvin or mahony
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