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Post by onlykerry on Jul 22, 2024 15:45:42 GMT
Jack won two minor titles with a top notch group of players and broke a lengthy famine at that grade - key to that success was his formula which he has carried through to his third stint in charge of the seniors. He instilled a system of play with the minors, picking lads that worked his system and omitting players based on his perceived needs for the system.
His system brought much craved success and catapulted him back into contention for the big job. Some tight losses have brought more scrutiny of his system and style and if those tight games had gone our way he would be on a pedestal.
Personally I dislike the system but I have never been on the side line, giving up countless evenings in rain, hail and occasional sunshine coaching and agonising over systems of play so I will bow to those with superior knowledge - maybe there is a better way but for now I will simply say thanks for keeping us competitive and hopefully we find the missing elements to win more titles.
My final comment is that our losses point to a deficiency in the system and simply coming back in 2025 and doing the same is not an option and our county board owes it to the fanbase to have an adult conversation with management in this regard.
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Post by cliffy on Jul 22, 2024 19:23:11 GMT
New management needs to come in next year. Jack has given great service to Kerry and has delivered Sam in 2004, 2006, 2009 and 2022. However, the game has moved on. As an earlier poster said maybe Eamon Fitz and Tomas or if possible Eamon Fitz, Tomas and Donaghy? Keep Tomas in charge of U20s still though for continuity.
In terms of personnel, I would say changes are needed in the starting 15 and in panel. Out of starting 15 v Armagh only Ryan, Murphy, Foley, Tom Sull, Begley, White, Diarmuid, Seanie, Paudie and David could you say are certainties for next year. You’d have to add Graham Sulllivan to that list too. New players needed. Cillian Burke and Dylan Geaney should have got more game time this year, Mike Breen needs to be looked at centre back, Mark O Shea from Crokes in the middle of the field is best midfielder in county on form, Luke Crowley another one that needs to be looked at. The squad has gone very stale over last few years and many names must feel like they are safe. Fresh blood needed in management and players.
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Post by orangerhyme on Jul 22, 2024 19:59:01 GMT
New management needs to come in next year. Jack has given great service to Kerry and has delivered Sam in 2004, 2006, 2009 and 2022. However, the game has moved on. As an earlier poster said maybe Eamon Fitz and Tomas or if possible Eamon Fitz, Tomas and Donaghy? Keep Tomas in charge of U20s still though for continuity. In terms of personnel, I would say changes are needed in the starting 15 and in panel. Out of starting 15 v Armagh only Ryan, Murphy, Foley, Tom Sull, Begley, White, Diarmuid, Seanie, Paudie and David could you say are certainties for next year. You’d have to add Graham Sulllivan to that list too. New players needed. Cillian Burke and Dylan Geaney should have got more game time this year, Mike Breen needs to be looked at centre back, Mark O Shea from Crokes in the middle of the field is best midfielder in county on form, Luke Crowley another one that needs to be looked at. The squad has gone very stale over last few years and many names must feel like they are safe. Fresh blood needed in management and players. I'd keep on Michael Quirke also.
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Post by exiled on Jul 23, 2024 0:06:09 GMT
In 2024 we played with fear and increasingly so as the year progressed, contrast that with how Donaghy led his troops. It is the root of our issues that need attention. From what i hear our U20s are also indoctrinated and right from Nov, to play to a formula. While of course tactics and indeed strategy are powerful, there is dire consequences when they are misused - they backfire, friendly fire, etc! Rot spreads too and fellas need to be rehabilitated in the wild to rediscover their natural talent - leadership is required here! As regards u20,s this year I think they played on the front foot all year. Very little back or sideways. We were not hopeful for them this year and still got within a point of a far superior team. Give credit where it's due.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 23, 2024 9:08:02 GMT
In 2024 we played with fear and increasingly so as the year progressed, contrast that with how Donaghy led his troops. It is the root of our issues that need attention. From what i hear our U20s are also indoctrinated and right from Nov, to play to a formula. While of course tactics and indeed strategy are powerful, there is dire consequences when they are misused - they backfire, friendly fire, etc! Rot spreads too and fellas need to be rehabilitated in the wild to rediscover their natural talent - leadership is required here! As regards u20,s this year I think they played on the front foot all year. Very little back or sideways. We were not hopeful for them this year and still got within a point of a far superior team. Give credit where it's due. I thought the same the 20s played a decent brand I thought and got as close as they could to potential
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 23, 2024 9:20:35 GMT
A bit of a chicken and egg question for those involved in coaching - Is it the team that brings every player back that invites the opposition to attack en mass or is it the opposition attacking en mass that causes a massed defence?
What would happen if a team kept three forwards in forward positions at all times - would this require defenders to stay home to cover turnovers and quick breaks.
It also strikes me that hurling allows much more physical contact than football - jersey pulls and dangerous play are the main fouls called in hurling but a man who gets caught in possession is fair game. In football minor contact is frequently called which makes the boring sh!t so easy to happen. Allow more contact which increases the risk of turnover and teams may be less inclined to send everyone forward.
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Post by tralee58 on Jul 23, 2024 15:33:50 GMT
The Irish Mirror article by Colm Boyle ‘ For life of me I can't understand why David Clifford is burning energy going backwards’ says the Kerry identity is lost. He said ‘ But, for as much as Armagh like to try and be structured and controlled, they are still at their absolute best when they play with instinct, courage and emotion’ Before the match I watched Ireland Rugby beat South Africa away in an incredible match by using instinct courage emotion maximally.
Tactics strategy structure control plays a part for sure but in my humble opinion the likes of Clifford brothers and Seanie thrive on the aforementioned. They seemed stifled. Taking nothing away from a great Armagh performance but you can’t help thinking Kerry be looking forward to a final if they had utilised the above. Can’t help thinking Kieran Donaghy instilled some of that. Anyway months to reflect now. A positive is Kerry ladies be good to hear a few comments from ladies on here. Ciarrai Abu
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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 23, 2024 23:11:02 GMT
The coulda, woulda, shoulda, fertilizer for why Kerry have not won more All Ireland’s has to stop, and you are NOT supporting Kerry football by doing so. Only real losers make excuses. We need a more honest culture in Kerry, like what happened Dublin post 2009. Simply as, Kerry were not good enough in 2024. You can’t coach size, and the skill set of our players in total was limited which dictated tactics - too many Kerry players were clearly not able to use both legs or hands, not able to field overhead, and not enough players were strong enough to break tackles, so you run it! There was a reason we ran the ball in 2021 against Tyrone (under Peter Keane) and the same reason was there in 2024 against Armagh (Jack has learnt what Peter Keane already knew – you cut your cloth to suit your measure). You can lie to yourself, and you can lie on these boards but it’s still a lie.
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Jul 24, 2024 0:35:20 GMT
As regards u20,s this year I think they played on the front foot all year. Very little back or sideways. We were not hopeful for them this year and still got within a point of a far superior team. Give credit where it's due. I thought the same the 20s played a decent brand I thought and got as close as they could to potential Lazy on my part there but everyone has it that there a consistent backroom policy that dictates how we play. PG and DC were there to land high ball into but that didn't happen so PG was on an inning to nothing while DC's movements were predictable so favouring his tormentors as he was more a sitting duck.
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Post by Premier on Jul 24, 2024 6:03:17 GMT
Armagh selector Ciaran McKeever: Kerry are “not the force that their name carries anymore” t.co/B5b9zIOb261st final in 21 years. This is the confidence the teams from Ulster carry regardless of results. Fair play to them this year but there is always a feeling that they feel they are better than everyone else. Set the fire under Kerry for the year to come
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Post by tralee58 on Jul 24, 2024 9:03:41 GMT
I would think Donaghy would be considered for a coaching role. Personally with Kerry’s noticeable struggle to score goals Colm coopers services could be utilised.
The talent pool still there I feel but not fulfilled potential big psychological work needed and renewal of a certain playing style
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 24, 2024 9:04:42 GMT
Talk about the league and Jack wanting to do well in it is an interesting one. You can see why he would want to as all four of his All-Ireland wins he also won the league in the Spring.
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Post by tralee58 on Jul 24, 2024 9:17:29 GMT
Armagh selector Ciaran McKeever: Kerry are “not the force that their name carries anymore” t.co/B5b9zIOb261st final in 21 years. This is the confidence the teams from Ulster carry regardless of results. Fair play to them this year but there is always a feeling that they feel they are better than everyone else. Set the fire under Kerry for the year to come It good for GAA. Donaghy has helped instill something there. The mindset the Kerry 4 in a row side had would have had something special mentally too. Ferguson instilled it in Man Utd and Shanks in Liverpool. Of course Gavin in Dublin. Jack in current Kerry team ??
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Post by thehermit on Jul 24, 2024 10:22:07 GMT
Armagh selector Ciaran McKeever: Kerry are “not the force that their name carries anymore” t.co/B5b9zIOb261st final in 21 years. This is the confidence the teams from Ulster carry regardless of results. Fair play to them this year but there is always a feeling that they feel they are better than everyone else. Set the fire under Kerry for the year to come There is something particularly grating about counties with such a poverty of national success throwing out sly digs like this at the Kingdom. 1 All Ireland, you'd think you'd have some humility. Was always shouting for Galway on Sunday, will shout a little louder now Same with Tyrone and the likes of Donegal - they seem to think they created modern football on their way to winning their couple of All Ireland's - all ye helped create was a bloody defensive, cynical dul monster boys! And don't get me started on the Dublin noveau riche fanbase, which is hilarious considering 2/3 of their titles were won in the 19th Century or else when Dublin teams were a collection of country journeymen until 1955. And we all know where what their unprecedented modern success is founded on: €€€€, Croker and Mr Gough and Co! Speaks to something deeply insecure that they can't enjoy their success unless Kerry's nose is rubbed in it along the way! That's this morning's rant over, in fairness we fecked up a great chance of (at least a 3 in a row) to soften their coughs!
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 24, 2024 12:38:08 GMT
Armagh selector Ciaran McKeever: Kerry are “not the force that their name carries anymore” t.co/B5b9zIOb261st final in 21 years. This is the confidence the teams from Ulster carry regardless of results. Fair play to them this year but there is always a feeling that they feel they are better than everyone else. Set the fire under Kerry for the year to come There is something particularly grating about counties with such a poverty of national success throwing out sly digs like this at the Kingdom. 1 All Ireland, you'd think you'd have some humility. Was always shouting for Galway on Sunday, will shout a little louder now Same with Tyrone and the likes of Donegal - they seem to think they created modern football on their way to winning their couple of All Ireland's - all ye helped create was a bloody defensive, cynical dul monster boys! And don't get me started on the Dublin noveau riche fanbase, which is hilarious considering 2/3 of their titles were won in the 19th Century or else when Dublin teams were a collection of country journeymen until 1955. And we all know where what their unprecedented modern success is founded on: €€€€, Croker and Mr Gough and Co! Speaks to something deeply insecure that they can't enjoy their success unless Kerry's nose is rubbed in it along the way! That's this morning's rant over, in fairness we fecked up a great chance of (at least a 3 in a row) to soften their coughs! The greatest myth in the GAA is the Ulster championship is the most comprehensive championship. Ulster fans really buy into and no one can ever tell them otherwise. They will even use it as an excuse when they don't win All-Irelands.
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Post by Premier on Jul 24, 2024 13:16:01 GMT
There is something particularly grating about counties with such a poverty of national success throwing out sly digs like this at the Kingdom. 1 All Ireland, you'd think you'd have some humility. Was always shouting for Galway on Sunday, will shout a little louder now Same with Tyrone and the likes of Donegal - they seem to think they created modern football on their way to winning their couple of All Ireland's - all ye helped create was a bloody defensive, cynical dul monster boys! And don't get me started on the Dublin noveau riche fanbase, which is hilarious considering 2/3 of their titles were won in the 19th Century or else when Dublin teams were a collection of country journeymen until 1955. And we all know where what their unprecedented modern success is founded on: €€€€, Croker and Mr Gough and Co! Speaks to something deeply insecure that they can't enjoy their success unless Kerry's nose is rubbed in it along the way! That's this morning's rant over, in fairness we fecked up a great chance of (at least a 3 in a row) to soften their coughs! The greatest myth in the GAA is the Ulster championship is the most comprehensive championship. Ulster fans really buy into and no one can ever tell them otherwise. They will even use it as an excuse when they don't win All-Irelands. I also find this hilarious. If you were to ask anyone in Ulster who you would get a tougher game off Clare or the Ulster teams of Down, Antrim, Fermanagh they would scoff off how superior they are when Clare have been playing at a much higher level for 5-7 years and realistically much closer to Donegal, Armagh and Cavan that would feel comfortable. How many All Ireland semi finals were Armagh in before this year? Tyrone were beaten last year by Kerry by 20 points and it was kinda like ‘ya sure Clifford’s pass was good wasn’t it’ Donegal in a first semi in 10 years. When Ulster have won 3 of the next 5 all Irelands, I will give them the respect they think they have now because it seems to be that when an Ulster team is knocked out that all of Ulster is in behind the rest of them
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Post by ciarraimick on Jul 24, 2024 13:48:48 GMT
Tbf all football pundits from Gooch to Ciaran Whelan to Lee Keegan accept Ulster is the toughest province.It does nt mean they are better that Dublin Kerry Galway or Mayo but they have a tougher competition. Its no coincidencw that in this years semi finals there were two Ulster teams.Same last year with Monaghan and Derry.
Clare were in a group with Cork and two Ulster teams this year.While they ran Cork to 2 points they got beaten well by Tyrone and were destroyed by Donegal by 20 plus points. Realistically no matter what we tell ourselves in Munster its Kerry and while we rate Cork many dont (altho they did beat Donegal).Leinster is a one horse rodeo and Connaught have 3 competitors.
So yes for commpetition the provinces are ranked as follows 1.Ulster 2.Connaught 3.Munster 4.Leinster
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Post by taggert on Jul 24, 2024 18:12:36 GMT
It doesnt bother me in the slightest what a selector, ex-player or pundit says about Kerry. I've alwaus deferred to what I see out on the paddock. I was at the game against Armagh and said it afterwards on here that they were/are no great shakes. We were comfotrable in the extreme until Shane Ryan fell foul of the Gods and handed them a goal and a point. Once the onslaught came thereafter, the pathetic munster championship and group series meant we didnt have a single tough game in the legs and heads to call on. That was detrimental. We butchered 2 goal chances amd our shooting effeciency after half time was appalling. 3 or 4 players repeatedly turned over ball throughout the game. If we meet next year I would expect us to win by 6 or 7 points plus. Its water under the bridge for 2024 however as is the related commentary on Kerry. There is no mystique about Armagh. Nor about any of their Ulster brethern. They come along every now and then and shout from the rooftops. Then they disappear. Let them at it I say.....
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Post by southward on Jul 24, 2024 22:25:46 GMT
Ulster being seen as a tough or competitive province just means that the teams are close in standard and most of them fancy their chances of provincial silverware. And that's all it means.
Were Kerry at some point to regress back to the level of Clare, Tipp, Cork etc, then maybe Munster could claim to be a super-competitive arena. Likewise Dublin in Leinster. But so what - would that be something to shout about?
The only real measure of relative provincial strength is in National honours. Ulster fields 27% of the teams in the Championship yet holds only 13% 0f the titles. Ulster teams have appeared in the fewest finals of any province. Them's the facts.
But for all that, an Ulster team is there this year and we're not. Good luck to them too. I like Armagh - they kick the ball.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 24, 2024 22:51:00 GMT
The historical win percentage is irrelevant when you consider what Ulster teams have had to deal with for significant parts of the 20th century.
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Jul 24, 2024 23:18:07 GMT
Ulster being seen as a tough or competitive province just means that the teams are close in standard and most of them fancy their chances of provincial silverware. And that's all it means. Were Kerry at some point to regress back to the level of Clare, Tipp, Cork etc, then maybe Munster could claim to be a super-competitive arena. Likewise Dublin in Leinster. But so what - would that be something to shout about? The only real measure of relative provincial strength is in National honours. Ulster fields 27% of the teams in the Championship yet holds only 13% 0f the titles. Ulster teams have appeared in the fewest finals of any province. Them's the facts. But for all that, an Ulster team is there this year and we're not. Good luck to them too. I like Armagh - they kick the ball. Ulster has more good teams than any other province and that they are at a similar level drives them on, bit by bit - a consistent perfect storm of a kind if you like. While the political situation hampered them, I still believe we would have won most of the AIs we won anyway though we will never know. While comparing is harmless, TBH I'm sick of it and I think it is overdone. I lived in Donegal and I think I have a good grasp of the crack with Ulster teams, well in so far as one can. In my innocence I always believed they all loved each other and were united in their hate us free staters, solely in a GAA context that is. Fact is they detest each other when it comes to GAA, gives a new meaning to 'frenemy' - we only fall out with Cork for an hour once a year, they fall out with all the other counties for the entire season; trust me, secretly they love to see Kerry beat their neighbours! Sign on a Derry man's car - 'I support 2 teams, Derry and the team playing against Tyrone', and it ain't a joke. I bust my arse when I think of lines like this that come out of them - I have polite, mild mannered, professional, gentile friends up there and just dare praise another county's performance and you'd have 'em reeling. And that is the rule, 99% of the time - for such hardy bucks it is surprising but it is an absolute fact! While they are as good at talking through their backsides as the rest of us, I have had the most amazing GAA times with them. They love Kerry - in darker days the highlight of their week was to go to a house of a Sat night, maybe after the pub, and rewatch Kerry GAA videos! Look - we are all one big GAA family and sure the crack is mighty. The contrast in cultures across the counties and regions is intriguing - I have had conversations with women at games and did they know what they were talking about - you'd learn from them, trust me? Amazing spirits, yeah I love batin 'em home but always like a pint with 'em before we put 'em on their bus. And yes they have their warts and if what was said re what went on with DC is true then the GAA need to wise up. Armagh play proper football and so will Galway and may the best team win. In a similar vein I think there is a lot of misguided talk re the semi - Armagh were better on the day and got the breaks and so maybe it was a question of how they would get over us, if we won by a point the colour of the conversation would be the opposite. As regards Sunday I'd love to be there just to try to gauge the influence of Donaghy and who I think is a bigger part of equation here, as he and Joyce go to war as generals - though there ain't a whole pile general here and my guess is that God willing we may well be looking at these two gangers for a good few years to come. They were both leaders as players so it is no surprise that they are doing well and good luck to them both. Hopefully we will now see more proper football played - even Derry vs us in ASP earlier this year was great football, even if much of it was the bogsiders raging against us in that traditional GAA style of old, just good old fashioned hoorism. The GAA year was ok all things considered and the winter mightn't be so long as we mull over how we might prevail in '25. Look, I am not abdicating my birth right to being a Kerryman, and as one man put it, 'we are GAA first' and when you see what hurling just served up, gosh we have so much to be grateful for - no other country in the whole wide world has anything like it. You can meet a stranger and if GAA becomes a common denominator it is almost like you grew up together, and well, sure you did, in spirit. UP DA KINGDOM!
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Post by southward on Jul 25, 2024 8:42:25 GMT
The historical win percentage is irrelevant when you consider what Ulster teams have had to deal with for significant parts of the 20th century. Fair enough. But since the Good Friday Agreement (1998), Ulster has won just 6 out of 26 titles. Sam has gone North just twice since Mickey Harte's last success in 2008 and only once in the last 12 years. The strike rate isn't improving. What does stand out with Ulster teams is that while they don't appear in too many finals, they don't tend to lose them either. Typically a team will emerge, blow everyone away, then disappear again.
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Post by clarinman on Jul 25, 2024 11:49:21 GMT
Fair enough. But since the Good Friday Agreement (1998), Ulster has won just 6 out of 26 titles. Sam has gone North just twice since Mickey Harte's last success in 2008 and only once in the last 12 years. The strike rate isn't improving. What does stand out with Ulster teams is that while they don't appear in too many finals, they don't tend to lose them either. Typically a team will emerge, blow everyone away, then disappear again. Ulster (well the 6 anyway) still have a divide when its comes to Gaa but It is the toughest province no doubt.The amount of All Irelands is irrelevant.Its the hardest to wim as many of the teams are at same level. As an earlier poster said if Kerry went back to Clare and Tipps level maybe Munster might be tough too.Does nt mean the teams are better but it is the toughest competition. When Kilkenny hurlers were on their winning roll,Munster hurling was still the best and toughest province. When Dubs were on their roll ,Leinster was the weakest football province. When I started following football in the 70s the Ulster championship was the best then also but the winners were normally cannon fodder for the rest in the All Ireland.Nowadays that is certainly not the case as we know well. In my lifetime following Kerry obviously the teams we play most in championship football are Munster but only two teams ever beat us .Clare (once) and Cork. In fact in championship football in my lifetime we have lost to more counties from Ulster than aby other province. Munster-Losses to Cork and Clare Leinster-Losses to Dublin Meath and Offaly Connaught-Losses to Mayo and Galway Ulster- Losses to Armagh Tyrone Donegal and Down. Finally our record against those teams that have beaten us is nt flattering either. In my reckoning we have played Armagh 5 times- We have 3 wins out of 5. Tyrone 9 times-We have 5 wins Donegal 3 times-We have 1 win 1loss 1 draw Down 5 times-We have 5 losses. You left out Kildare in 98 Mick.
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 25, 2024 12:39:17 GMT
Ulster being seen as a tough or competitive province just means that the teams are close in standard and most of them fancy their chances of provincial silverware. And that's all it means. Were Kerry at some point to regress back to the level of Clare, Tipp, Cork etc, then maybe Munster could claim to be a super-competitive arena. Likewise Dublin in Leinster. But so what - would that be something to shout about? The only real measure of relative provincial strength is in National honours. Ulster fields 27% of the teams in the Championship yet holds only 13% 0f the titles. Ulster teams have appeared in the fewest finals of any province. Them's the facts. But for all that, an Ulster team is there this year and we're not. Good luck to them too. I like Armagh - they kick the ball. The argument that anyone can win it doesn't really stand up either. From 1999 to 2010 only Armagh and Tyrone won it. Donegal were the only other one who you could say might have been challenging for it. The likes of Derry, Down etc were nowhere near challenging. Even in the 2010s it was a little more but you still only had three winners Donegal, Monaghan and Tyrone. Still the likes of Down, Derry, Cavan weren't challenging. There's been four this decade but Cavan winning in 2020 have proved to be a one off.
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Post by ciarraimick on Jul 25, 2024 13:00:56 GMT
Ulster (well the 6 anyway) still have a divide when its comes to Gaa but It is the toughest province no doubt.The amount of All Irelands is irrelevant.Its the hardest to wim as many of the teams are at same level. As an earlier poster said if Kerry went back to Clare and Tipps level maybe Munster might be tough too.Does nt mean the teams are better but it is the toughest competition. When Kilkenny hurlers were on their winning roll,Munster hurling was still the best and toughest province. When Dubs were on their roll ,Leinster was the weakest football province. When I started following football in the 70s the Ulster championship was the best then also but the winners were normally cannon fodder for the rest in the All Ireland.Nowadays that is certainly not the case as we know well. In my lifetime following Kerry obviously the teams we play most in championship football are Munster but only two teams ever beat us .Clare (once) and Cork. In fact in championship football in my lifetime we have lost to more counties from Ulster than aby other province. Munster-Losses to Cork and Clare Leinster-Losses to Dublin Meath and Offaly Connaught-Losses to Mayo and Galway Ulster- Losses to Armagh Tyrone Donegal and Down. Finally our record against those teams that have beaten us is nt flattering either. In my reckoning we have played Armagh 5 times- We have 3 wins out of 5. Tyrone 9 times-We have 5 wins Donegal 3 times-We have 1 win 1loss 1 draw Down 5 times-We have 5 losses. You left out Kildare in 98 Mick. Fair play to you Clarinman.Wow I totally forgot about that one.Another one I was at too.Maurice had an off day that game and we had a good goal disallowed if memory serves me correct.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 25, 2024 13:04:03 GMT
Ya but Niall Buckley also didn't start for Kildare, he was one of the country's top mid fielders at the time
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Post by ciarraimick on Jul 25, 2024 13:08:35 GMT
Ya but Niall Buckley also didn't start for Kildare, he was one of the country's top mid fielders at the time True and motm was our own Karl O Dwyer.Kildare had Micko Pat McCarthy ex Kerry as selector and Eamonn O Muircheartaigh (Micheàla son) as physio.A good Kerry input aswell as Brian Lacey from Tipp
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Post by The16thMan on Jul 25, 2024 17:15:03 GMT
Out of curiosity, as I've heard a few people say this to me in person. Are there many season ticket holders planning on not renewing for next season, bar a change in management? I'll put this in here also, just out of curiosity. Not just for season ticket holders, but in general, are people leaning on the side of not attending matches next year after what they saw this year.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 25, 2024 17:32:50 GMT
I'd be more inclined to stick with the club scene at the moment until the grà for Inter County returns, even at that I prefer the league to the championship unless the format changes
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Post by thehermit on Jul 25, 2024 18:20:13 GMT
Out of curiosity, as I've heard a few people say this to me in person. Are there many season ticket holders planning on not renewing for next season, bar a change in management? I'll put this in here also, just out of curiosity. Not just for season ticket holders, but in general, are people leaning on the side of not attending matches next year after what they saw this year. The Season Ticket scheme seems to have lost whatever value it had in last couple of years, I gave it up 9 years ago because I just found it more economical even then to pay game by game and hope to find an AI ticket when it came to it (abusing a uni student card for about 8 years after graduation also helped 😀) Barely want to think about football at the moment, but come 1 January I'm sure I'll be so starved I'd queue a week in advance for the first McGrath Cup match 😆
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