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Post by mainevalley on Jul 16, 2024 19:23:29 GMT
Unfortunately the Clifford's will be playing with fossa and east Kerry until at least November depending on how fossa get on in the intermediate and O Donoghue cup. Could be Jan if Fossa were to win intermediate. Then they can rest until spring. They are competitors and will want to play with fossa. It's their bread and butter. Fossa absolutely, East Kerry no. Sorry but big decisions need to be made here. They might rest them in the round robin stage alright but we are talking about two weekends in two months time, no worth talking about. They are back on the horse Saturday week. The sad reality I'm afraid. |
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Post by mainevalley on Jul 16, 2024 19:24:44 GMT
Conflicting information as Mortimer Murphy who said this morning he was going, them said he wasn't has just tweeted to say he is infact going. Official comment needed now. He's going alright, end of story. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 16, 2024 19:27:39 GMT
Conflicting information as Mortimer Murphy who said this morning he was going, them said he wasn't has just tweeted to say he is infact going. Official comment needed now. He's going alright, end of story. Bitterly disappointing. |
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Post by john4 on Jul 16, 2024 19:33:38 GMT
Conflicting information as Mortimer Murphy who said this morning he was going, them said he wasn't has just tweeted to say he is infact going. Official comment needed now. He's going alright, end of story. What Is The AFL Rookie Salary? The AFL rookie salary is a predetermined amount set for newly drafted players entering the Australian Football League. As of 2023, it varies based on draft order and contract terms. Picks 1 through 20 receive a basic compensation of $105,000 annually; 21 through 40 receive a salary of $95,000; 41 and beyond receive a salary of $90,000 annually; rookies are listed at $85,000 annually. Herald Sun au |
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Post by mainevalley on Jul 16, 2024 19:41:26 GMT
He's going alright, end of story. What Is The AFL Rookie Salary? The AFL rookie salary is a predetermined amount set for newly drafted players entering the Australian Football League. As of 2023, it varies based on draft order and contract terms. Picks 1 through 20 receive a basic compensation of $105,000 annually; 21 through 40 receive a salary of $95,000; 41 and beyond receive a salary of $90,000 annually; rookies are listed at $85,000 annually. Herald Sun au It used to be 60k euro 5/6 years ago so them figures would add up but it's not until the second contract that the big money comes |
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 16, 2024 20:02:09 GMT
Seanie was flying in the McGrath cup and had his performance of the year up in Monaghan early in the league. That should tell you something.
I am not convinced that playing in the league is a bad thing but how players peak and how we use the league needs to be looked at.
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Post by The16thMan on Jul 16, 2024 20:02:56 GMT
Conflicting information as Mortimer Murphy who said this morning he was going, them said he wasn't has just tweeted to say he is infact going. Official comment needed now. He's going alright, end of story. Pity if it plays out that way, that would be Monahan, O' Connor & Burke over in the AFL with the potential of more to join. You wouldn't mind if a few of our competitors had their best players taken. Like a young Brian Fenton back in the day etc... It would make it a bit fairer but it just seems to be us that are losing players along with the odd other county like Oisin Mullen from Mayo. Apart from that I can't remember too many of Kerry's competitors having their panels depleted via AFL transfers. Makes Kerrys task at winning the All Ireland that bit harder going forward. |
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 16, 2024 20:20:26 GMT
The Cillian Burke thing must be very frustrating for the county board. A considerable amount has been invested in Cillian since he was probably 15 to turn him into the elite athlete he is today. It is this investment in S&C, nutrition etc that makes him a viable option for the AFL.
People mention why have Dublin not been impacted as much but they don’t do development squads the way we do them so while they suffer the impact at minor level at least they are not losing them to the AFL.
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Jul 16, 2024 20:27:05 GMT
Burke going down-under but no interest in football there at all though Mark doing all right there, just like an alco going to the pub but has no interest in porter yet the rest of us doing fine propping up the counter!
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Post by kerryblueboy on Jul 16, 2024 21:09:25 GMT
I wish people would stop blaming tally for our performance and tactics this year because he is from Tyrone it’s all down to him he has made our defence one of the best in the country it’s down to jacks inability to change or get a forward plan that we are going backwards under him
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Post by mossie on Jul 16, 2024 21:20:01 GMT
Lads Jack is staying for 2025. He has one more year and he won't want to go out like that on Saturday. I think some big decisions are needed and none more so than getting David Clifford back on form. For me in retrospect as Paul Brennan said this morning bringing the Clifford's to Monaghan was akin to the Glen lads traveling to Tralee. Now maybe it wasn't that stark but it was the wrong decision. If I was Jack I'd get giving David,Seanie,Paidi the full league off. I'd be giving them a voucher for a nice holiday and telling them they won't be required in Currans until well into spring. If we get relegated or just about survive so be it, it did Dublin,Armagh, Donegal and Galway no harm. Unfortunately the Clifford's will be playing with fossa and east Kerry until at least November depending on how fossa get on in the intermediate and O Donoghue cup. Could be Jan if Fossa were to win intermediate. Then they can rest until spring. They are competitors and will want to play with fossa. It's their bread and butter. Is there anything to be said for introducing yet another football championship competition in Kerry?! |
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Post by The16thMan on Jul 16, 2024 21:38:50 GMT
I wish people would stop blaming tally for our performance and tactics this year because he is from Tyrone it’s all down to him he has made our defence one of the best in the country it’s down to jacks inability to change or get a forward plan that we are going backwards under him Don't think people are blaming Tally for Kerrys failures in attack. More like people acknowledge we now need to have an attack coach as well as Tally as a defence coach to balance the books and get our attack motoring again. We all appreciate what Tally has done for our defence but he's not gonna be the solution for our failures in attack this year. |
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 16, 2024 22:26:07 GMT
The only reason he’s staying on is self-interest. The team is going backwards under him. That means the whole management team is the problem. No chance of anything different if they are there next year. |
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Post by Hicser on Jul 16, 2024 22:49:16 GMT
I do believe a miserable defense is linked to our attack.
If we are risk averse in attack we will have less turnovers and by consequence defense will be better.
So Tally on the hook for attack as well,
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Post by mainevalley on Jul 16, 2024 23:12:56 GMT
Mike breen will have to be number 6 next year, quietened Campbell when he came on him. Watched it back tonight. The S+c will need to be looked at. What running they done needs to be looked at and when to peak. Like it or lump it we had 5/6 lads cramping visibly during end of normal and extra time. Armagh had one. Whether thats Armagh using bench better or us physically behind them. I think a mixture of both. One image bothers me more than any other, it's Conor turbrit leaving two of our players for dust in last minute in extra as he fists over, one of the players was a sub who came on for us. I appreciate he is a fast player but he was back in defence again after the point while our two lads had hands on heads. He had played the whole game.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 17, 2024 7:25:10 GMT
100% for a complete league break for those lads, Sean and David have been playing senior IC with Kerry with the whole country talking about them and analysing their every kick of a ball since they were 18/19 year old lads. If it was me, I could do with a bit of headspace! They might not want a break.In fact If I was in David s shoes Id want to play the first league game and show people Im still the man!Also the league is less draining and defenses not as packed and certainly he wont have to take the same amount of off the ball stuff he gets during the championship. Players want to play but it shouldn't be up to them. It's very clear to anyone watching that they are burnt out. If you don't want David walking away from the game when he still has years left in him then the decision shouldn't be made by him. |
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Post by mainevalley on Jul 17, 2024 8:00:52 GMT
They might not want a break.In fact If I was in David s shoes Id want to play the first league game and show people Im still the man!Also the league is less draining and defenses not as packed and certainly he wont have to take the same amount of off the ball stuff he gets during the championship. Players want to play but it shouldn't be up to them. It's very clear to anyone watching that they are burnt out. If you don't want David walking away from the game when he still has years left in him then the decision shouldn't be made by him. Depends what way you look at it, for me and I also think the Clifford's club is more important than county. Maybe he should take a break from Kerry next year. |
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Post by kerryblueboy on Jul 17, 2024 10:35:46 GMT
Looking back it was hard to see the logic in bringing back the 2 Clifford’s so early we need a complete mindset change towards the league next year give the younger guys 5/6 games to prove themselves not a half here or 10 minutes there
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Post by taggert on Jul 17, 2024 11:10:31 GMT
Jack brought Tally in to fix a porous defence. This he did to telling effect - winning Sam year 1, a Gavin White brainfart from a second in year two and a Shane Ryan 4-point self inflicted meltdown in year 3 preventing another final appearance where Kerry would have been favourites.
The margins are thin here.
It is inevitable that defensive means there are constraints placed on attacking play. However, thats the job of the manager Jack as manager and Quirke who is definitely not shy in talking sporting theory and imparting his wisdom about the mechanics of "setplays" and "training ground routines" and the like.
Tally has delivered hus side of the bargain - if Jack and Quirke can't strike the right balance then they are the problem.....
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 17, 2024 12:19:29 GMT
Fair points Taggert, lot of talk or speculation that the Trio of Jack, Mike Quirke and Diarmuid will not be in situ as a unit next term, similarly, there will also be a shake up at U20 level...
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Post by dc84 on Jul 17, 2024 15:21:12 GMT
I'd say we all agree we have a team good enough to win all irelands at the moment do we sometimes forget we aren't the only ones.
Galway have been unlucky with injuries last 2 years and could argue re the free in the final that was dubious enough.
Dublin lost by a point in 22 aswell and by 2 this year
Armagh are nearly unbeaten in 3 years except for penos !
Donegal are back where there talent belongs up and around the top 4 or 5
Derry could be resurgent next year aswell
Tyrone judging by underage talent will be joining the top table soon I think mayo you never know aswell
My point being most of these teams are probably a kick of the ball away from each other especially as everyone is basically playing the same gameplan now with small variations and personnel differences.
We are just one of a number of teams that can win it next year and will need luck to help us as all the teams have really in last few years
The new rules might shake things up a bit and hopefully they change the system as it has been tedious up until last weekend really
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 17, 2024 15:24:06 GMT
The Cillian Burke thing must be very frustrating for the county board. A considerable amount has been invested in Cillian since he was probably 15 to turn him into the elite athlete he is today. It is this investment in S&C, nutrition etc that makes him a viable option for the AFL. People mention why have Dublin not been impacted as much but they don’t do development squads the way we do them so while they suffer the impact at minor level at least they are not losing them to the AFL. Interesting point re development squads. I've always thought there's too much put on lads playing minor in Kerry. If for one reason or another a lad didn't make the minors he's written off almost straight away. Lads development is different but this doesn't seem to be taken into account. |
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Post by thekingdom on Jul 17, 2024 15:28:41 GMT
Dublin does have development squads.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 17, 2024 15:49:16 GMT
Jack brought Tally in to fix a porous defence. This he did to telling effect - winning Sam year 1, a Gavin White brainfart from a second in year two and a Shane Ryan 4-point self inflicted meltdown in year 3 preventing another final appearance where Kerry would have been favourites. The margins are thin here. It is inevitable that defensive means there are constraints placed on attacking play. However, thats the job of the manager Jack as manager and Quirke who is definitely not shy in talking sporting theory and imparting his wisdom about the mechanics of "setplays" and "training ground routines" and the like. Tally has delivered hus side of the bargain - if Jack and Quirke can't strike the right balance then they are the problem..... Tally is more than a defensive coach - has worked with forwards equally as much as defence. |
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 17, 2024 15:52:14 GMT
He's going alright, end of story. Bitterly disappointing. Burke was at all the combines held LAST year and was not offered any contract - doubt if he is being offered one now. |
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Post by taggert on Jul 17, 2024 16:25:16 GMT
Jack brought Tally in to fix a porous defence. This he did to telling effect - winning Sam year 1, a Gavin White brainfart from a second in year two and a Shane Ryan 4-point self inflicted meltdown in year 3 preventing another final appearance where Kerry would have been favourites. The margins are thin here. It is inevitable that defensive means there are constraints placed on attacking play. However, thats the job of the manager Jack as manager and Quirke who is definitely not shy in talking sporting theory and imparting his wisdom about the mechanics of "setplays" and "training ground routines" and the like. Tally has delivered hus side of the bargain - if Jack and Quirke can't strike the right balance then they are the problem..... Tally is more than a defensive coach - has worked with forwards equally as much as defence. I'm not disputing that. The point i'm making is what are the others on the ticket (like Quirke) bringing to the party as the defensive prowess has been almost been singularly attributed to Tally - by Jack, by players and by astute observers. |
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Post by The16thMan on Jul 17, 2024 17:35:09 GMT
Fair points Taggert, lot of talk or speculation that the Trio of Jack, Mike Quirke and Diarmuid will not be in situ as a unit next term, similarly, there will also be a shake up at U20 level... As in the whole management teams gone or 1 or 2 bodies being changed? |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 17, 2024 20:26:01 GMT
Fair points Taggert, lot of talk or speculation that the Trio of Jack, Mike Quirke and Diarmuid will not be in situ as a unit next term, similarly, there will also be a shake up at U20 level... As in the whole management teams gone or 1 or 2 bodies being changed? One or two bodies but in honesty on the off season every comment will get column time bit like the premiership and the transfer market... truth is everything is speculation until next County Board meeting and media |
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Jul 17, 2024 22:03:10 GMT
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Post by Lolly Valance on Jul 18, 2024 9:39:12 GMT
If Jack an his management team stay on I think they need to do something to refresh the team. I am not talking wholesale changes or dropping loads of fellas but, surgical changes.
I would like to see a team line out in some league game as below and move the ball quickly. Not dropping the Clifford or ignoring Cillian Burke but, assuming they will play little league.
Shane Ryan
Dylan Casey
Jason Foley
Beaghlaoich
Gavin White
Mike Breen
Heinrich
Seanie O’Shea
Adrian Spillane
Joe O’Connor
Dylan Geaney
Graham O’Sullivan
Tony Brosnan
Luke Crowley
Tom O’Sullivan
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