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Post by edgeofthesquare on Oct 17, 2024 22:36:11 GMT
Panel definitely needs to be freshened up. There’s a few lads hanging around the last few years who I’d expect to be gone.
Most likely call ins
Cian Lynch
Evan Looney
Charlie Keating
Sean O’Connell
Darragh Lyne
Luke Crowley
Donal O’Sullivan
Anyone else or any other rumours going around?
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Post by homerj on Oct 17, 2024 22:38:48 GMT
Any word if Jack Barry is coming home and back playing?
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Post by kerrysouth on Oct 18, 2024 6:22:53 GMT
Edge of the square unfortunately some of the names you listed really struggled with East Kerry last Sunday and similarly players that were involved with Brendan’s the night before and this does not inspire confidence to be honest that if they can’t perform with their districts that they can suddenly turn it on with Kerry
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Post by ciarraimick on Oct 18, 2024 8:14:03 GMT
Edge of the square unfortunately some of the names you listed really struggled with East Kerry last Sunday and similarly players that were involved with Brendan’s the night before and this does not inspire confidence to be honest that if they can’t perform with their districts that they can suddenly turn it on with Kerry I would nt judge on one game tbf.Give players a chance to prove themselves.I mean alot of players struggled last week like David and Paudie and they def are top players. |
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Post by powerhurl on Oct 18, 2024 9:18:15 GMT
Young o Grady from Castlegregory is in and Sean O Connell
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Oct 18, 2024 12:56:58 GMT
Edge of the square unfortunately some of the names you listed really struggled with East Kerry last Sunday and similarly players that were involved with Brendan’s the night before and this does not inspire confidence to be honest that if they can’t perform with their districts that they can suddenly turn it on with Kerry That’s harsh I think. Donal O’Sullivan was their best performer. Luke Crowley had a few very positive moments, ok didn’t probably have the all round performance. Cian Lynch was on Dylan Geaney but was swapping at times onto Paul Geaney, Dylan’s best period came when he wasn’t on Lynch. Darragh Lyne had a good battle with Barry Dan. I agree there isn’t 4 or 5 absolute stars to bring in but there are players around who have potential that must be identified. With the new rules I think players in the middle 8 will have to be even more athletic which suits Keating and Lyne. Cian Lynch is more of an out and out defender than most of our backs so not being allowed to pass the halfway line will enhance his case. Donal O’Sullivan is faster than all of our inside forwards and I think you need at least one player blessed with pace as one of the 3 up. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Oct 19, 2024 16:08:05 GMT
Stephen O'Brien and Adrain Spillane announce retirements
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Post by thehermit on Oct 19, 2024 16:12:33 GMT
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Post by listowelemerrs on Oct 19, 2024 16:18:38 GMT
Will never forget Stephen o briens breakout year in 2014 and he contributed to our season massively. Then in 2019, he played the best football of his life and somehow didn’t get an all star. Turned the semi against Tyrone on its head. Then in 2023 , off the bench against Derry and changed the game to swing our way again. Great underrated footballer. We will miss him.
As for Adrian, also great servant but not on the panel as long. He’d a great year in 2019 where he marked brian Howard out of it and kicked a fine point and il always remember his turnover on James’s McCarthy under the Cusack stand before Johnny coopers red. Probably an underused and undervalued footballer. He had one thing that many Kerry footballers didn’t have, physicality and he showed that against Galway in 2022. Thanks lads.
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Post by mg72 on Oct 19, 2024 16:20:59 GMT
I heard from a fella down there 2 months ago that Adrian had told Jack he was done. I hadn't heard about Stephen though. 2 good servants. With Cillian Burke gone, this opens up room for a few new faces to join the panel. I also heard recently that Eoin Clifford from Laune Rangers got the call up. |
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Post by blacksheep21 on Oct 19, 2024 16:31:01 GMT
I don’t think any of these are a surprise.Steven has been a superb player and has had what I think a very underrated career. He should have had at least one all star. Injuries have taken their toll and with a young family, it is a natural conclusion.
Adrian was in truth more of a panel player over the years and was never quite a regular. His performance against Tyrone in 2023 was a particular highlight and he never gave less than 100% in any game.
Best of luck to the two lads.
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Post by mike70 on Oct 19, 2024 16:49:54 GMT
Adrian a panel player for sure, but I think there the guys with the hardest job, show up week on week, knowing well it will be limited if any game time.
Without them the starting 15 would be poor for sure.
Thanks to Adrian and Stephen for their service to Kerry Gaa.
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Post by ciarraimick on Oct 19, 2024 18:14:38 GMT
Best of luck to both Stephen and Adrian.Both gave their all for Kerry.Stephen s race was probably run as his pace was going at 33 but Adrian had a little more in him I thought.Like his Dad Tom he retires young.Always thought he had the attributes of a great centre back but twas nt to be.Hope both enjoy their retirements.
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 19, 2024 19:09:50 GMT
Adrian a panel player for sure, but I think there the guys with the hardest job, show up week on week, knowing well it will be limited if any game time. Without them the starting 15 would be poor for sure. Thanks to Adrian and Stephen for their service to Kerry Gaa. Was messed around the last few years imo. I just don't understand why JOC is keeping lads in their late 20s early 30s on the panel when he isn't using them. |
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Oct 19, 2024 19:39:53 GMT
Adrian a panel player for sure, but I think there the guys with the hardest job, show up week on week, knowing well it will be limited if any game time. Without them the starting 15 would be poor for sure. Thanks to Adrian and Stephen for their service to Kerry Gaa. Was messed around the last few years imo. I just don't understand why JOC is keeping lads in their late 20s early 30s on the panel when he isn't using them. I agree with your point on keeping lads in the late 20s just on the panel training but Adrian was getting lots of game time so can’t agree in his case. |
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Post by mike70 on Oct 19, 2024 19:59:22 GMT
Was messed around the last few years imo. I just don't understand why JOC is keeping lads in their late 20s early 30s on the panel when he isn't using them. I agree with your point on keeping lads in the late 20s just on the panel training but Adrian was getting lots of game time so can’t agree in his case. Lads there is no problem keeping lads in their late 20’s on the panel, you have to keep the standard in training to the highest level, if there the best they deserve to be there, as some have mentioned, it’s our lack of use of the bench is part of our challenge in kerry, other counties use there squad a way better. |
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Oct 19, 2024 20:13:03 GMT
I agree with your point on keeping lads in the late 20s just on the panel training but Adrian was getting lots of game time so can’t agree in his case. Lads there is no problem keeping lads in their late 20’s on the panel, you have to keep the standard in training to the highest level, if there the best they deserve to be there, as some have mentioned, it’s our lack of use of the bench is part of our challenge in kerry, other counties use there squad a way better. If they’re not of the level of making a championship 26 then I feel you’re better off having a younger player with potential to reach the level required in the panel training instead. There have been lads in their late 20s in the panel under Jack O’Connor who were never going to be good enough. |
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Post by john4 on Oct 19, 2024 20:30:00 GMT
I agree with your point on keeping lads in the late 20s just on the panel training but Adrian was getting lots of game time so can’t agree in his case. Lads there is no problem keeping lads in their late 20’s on the panel, you have to keep the standard in training to the highest level, if there the best they deserve to be there, as some have mentioned, it’s our lack of use of the bench is part of our challenge in kerry, other counties use there squad a way better. Sounding like a broken record on this! We should play our "squad players" in the league matches, all of the players and all of the matches. If we finish up in Division 2 - I'm okay with that, so what, Dublin and Armagh won the All Irelands out of Division 2 recently, and there's a method to what they're doing. I can't see that we have a coherent plan to get the best out of what we have. We want to win league games for no massive reason only maintaining our Div 1 status. I would be far more interested in seeing all our panel getting meaningful playing time. I get the sense that our senior dressing room is not a happy place |
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Post by veteran on Oct 19, 2024 21:26:02 GMT
I wish Stephen and Adrian well in their retirement.
Stephen made a huge contribution for ten or more years , realizing his full potential.
I always felt Adrian had more in him. I am not sure Jack used him optimally. Like Ciarraimick, I had a sense that he had all the qualities to be a very effective, mobile , combative CHB.and offered that opinion here about a year ago, Of course , Jack would never risk such a daring move whereas, for instance, Mick O’Dwyer would have tried that experiment in the blink of an eye.
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Post by goforit2 on Oct 19, 2024 22:10:44 GMT
I think the new rules will be adopted and will dictate the type of new player we need in 2025. I think the strength & conditioning training will change. Fitness, speed and kicking will be the important attributes of the players to come in. Upper body strength not as important- less bench pressing!!
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Oct 19, 2024 22:45:05 GMT
I heard from a fella down there 2 months ago that Adrian had told Jack he was done. I hadn't heard about Stephen though. 2 good servants. With Cillian Burke gone, this opens up room for a few new faces to join the panel. I also heard recently that Eoin Clifford from Laune Rangers got the call up. Where is Burke gone to? |
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Post by mossie on Oct 20, 2024 1:24:15 GMT
I wish Stephen and Adrian well in their retirement. Stephen made a huge contribution for ten or more years , realizing his full potential. I always felt Adrian had more in him. I am not sure Jack used him optimally. Like Ciarraimick, I had a sense that he had all the qualities to be a very effective, mobile , combative CHB.and offered that opinion here about a year ago, Of course , Jack would never risk such a daring move whereas, for instance, Mick O’Dwyer would have tried that experiment in the blink of an eye. is it fair to say that Adrian's dad Tom ending up at 6 was one such expirement under Micko? was Tom a defender at minor and under 21? |
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Post by likeitornot on Oct 20, 2024 2:28:49 GMT
Sounding like a broken record on this! We should play our "squad players" in the league matches, all of the players and all of the matches. If we finish up in Division 2 - I'm okay with that, so what, Dublin and Armagh won the All Irelands out of Division 2 recently, and there's a method to what they're doing. I can't see that we have a coherent plan to get the best out of what we have. We want to win league games for no massive reason only maintaining our Div 1 status. I would be far more interested in seeing all our panel getting meaningful playing time. I get the sense that our senior dressing room is not a happy place I would also like to see all the panel used during the league while also retaining dividion 1 status.No reason why that cant be done.We have been very slow giving panel members proper game time during the league and it backfires during championship.Even last year when a few got chances the were substituted early which can mess with their confidence. Wouldn't be too worried about retaining D1 status.. it is nowhere near the end of the world if we were relegated... just ask the Dubs and Armagh.... |
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Post by kerrysouth on Oct 20, 2024 7:08:03 GMT
The new rules will change the game fundamentally Attacking players with pace good kicking and size will become gold standard going forward ironically similar to the type of player the Aussie rules are looking for the 1v1 2v2and 3v3 drills will become part of every training session Ironically Stephen O Brien would have enjoyed the new rules and yes bulk will become less important with the new rules .Overall the changes are positive but I do think they will require tweaking .Matches will be over earlier as weaker teams will struggle to contain stronger teams leading to more mismatches and viewers switching off .Is that the reason Jack is bringing in so many players into the squad to see who will be best suited to the new rules and could we see some high profile omissions from the squad next year.The teams that adapt quickest to the new rules will likely be the teams that achieve success
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 20, 2024 8:32:12 GMT
Lads there is no problem keeping lads in their late 20’s on the panel, you have to keep the standard in training to the highest level, if there the best they deserve to be there, as some have mentioned, it’s our lack of use of the bench is part of our challenge in kerry, other counties use there squad a way better. Sounding like a broken record on this! We should play our "squad players" in the league matches, all of the players and all of the matches. If we finish up in Division 2 - I'm okay with that, so what, Dublin and Armagh won the All Irelands out of Division 2 recently, and there's a method to what they're doing. I can't see that we have a coherent plan to get the best out of what we have. We want to win league games for no massive reason only maintaining our Div 1 status. I would be far more interested in seeing all our panel getting meaningful playing time. I get the sense that our senior dressing room is not a happy place The winning games just for the sake of staying in Div 1 was very clear this year against Monaghan when Clifford was brought on to get a result early on. Imo it's a case of Jack not wanting to have a relegation on his CV. |
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Post by veteran on Oct 20, 2024 11:14:30 GMT
I wish Stephen and Adrian well in their retirement. Stephen made a huge contribution for ten or more years , realizing his full potential. I always felt Adrian had more in him. I am not sure Jack used him optimally. Like Ciarraimick, I had a sense that he had all the qualities to be a very effective, mobile , combative CHB.and offered that opinion here about a year ago, Of course , Jack would never risk such a daring move whereas, for instance, Mick O’Dwyer would have tried that experiment in the blink of an eye. is it fair to say that Adrian's dad Tom ending up at 6 was one such expirement under Micko? was Tom a defender at minor and under 21? Centre half forward. Part time midfielder. Micko converted an outstanding midfielder/ forward, Sean Walsh , into a full back where he won two medals . Under him. Paudie Lynch, admittedly one of the immortals, won medals at midfield, wing back , corner. back. Indeed he played him on the forty in 1977. Converted Ger Power from wing back to wing forward. Made an unheard of , half formed footballer , Pat McCarthy , into an outstanding midfielder. Plucked a fat , lazy boy from the beaches in Ballybunion, Eoin Liston, and moulded him into one of the most feared forwards of his era. Very likely I am forgetting other examples Would Jack have done any of what I have detailed in the previous paragraph? Not in a million years. Jack likes them to be fully fledged and road ready from the underage ranks. To borrow a phrase. he who dares wins. Micko was well aware of that maxim. |
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Post by mg72 on Oct 20, 2024 12:17:32 GMT
I heard from a fella down there 2 months ago that Adrian had told Jack he was done. I hadn't heard about Stephen though. 2 good servants. With Cillian Burke gone, this opens up room for a few new faces to join the panel. I also heard recently that Eoin Clifford from Laune Rangers got the call up. Where is Burke gone to? He's not gone yet, but he's heading to Australia shortly. |
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 20, 2024 13:10:56 GMT
is it fair to say that Adrian's dad Tom ending up at 6 was one such expirement under Micko? was Tom a defender at minor and under 21? Centre half forward. Part time midfielder. Micko converted an outstanding midfielder/ forward, Sean Walsh , into a full back where he won two medals . Under him. Paudie Lynch, admittedly one of the immortals, won medals at midfield, wing back , corner. back. Indeed he played him on the forty in 1977. Converted Ger Power from wing back to wing forward. Made an unheard of , half formed footballer , Pat McCarthy , into an outstanding midfielder. Plucked a fat , lazy boy from the beaches in Ballybunion, Eoin Liston, and moulded him into one of the most feared forwards of his era. Very likely I am forgetting other examples Would Jack have done any of what I have detailed in the previous paragraph? Not in a million years. Jack likes them to be fully fledged and road ready from the underage ranks. To borrow a phrase. he who dares wins. Micko was well aware of that maxim. Tommy Doyle going from a forward to half back and winning three All Stars another. Bar his first term to a degree Jack has always come into a team where a lot of the work was done for him. Even 09 the likes of Tommy Walsh, Young and Scanlon who were big parts of thst win had been brought into the team by Pat O Shea in the top seasons before. 2022 was similar. |
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Post by kerryblueboy on Oct 20, 2024 13:44:21 GMT
Stephen a great servant to Kerry football can’t help but think Adrian was badly used the last few years hard to blame him walking away your whole life on hold for a few minutes here and there
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Oct 22, 2024 20:25:33 GMT
So why are we going forward with Whacko Jacko if we don't believe in him?
I personally feel that the Jacko I knew 5 years ago would have resigned after how last year played out. He expressly said that he wouldn't/couldn't abandon his own style; I fear the worst but look, hopefully I am wrong. IMO it's the worst decision ever made in Kerry and that in a way is in the GAA overall.
I now wonder if the question mark over Burke is related here?
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