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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Aug 29, 2024 22:13:30 GMT
I'm a bit disappointed that I am personally condemned for expressing a strong held belief, bearing in mind that 90% of that long comment I made was a paste of mg72's own comment, followed by a few lines of what I disagreed with and why - I justified my contention and I stand over it absolutely!
As for liking the sound of my own voice, 'validation' it is called - I'd be the least offender here I'd say, but look, it isn't a crime - in fact FYI it is what drives the most successful people in the world!
Still, I'd say a lot on here and TBH 100% of those I meet have let's say reservations about our leadership and let's leave it at that for now, suffice as to say I hope ye remind me how stupid I was 'late last Aug on the forum when everyone knew JackO would lead us to the promised land' - I mean how could he not, what could possibly go wrong?
As for D1 of the league, it is a fine line between blooding fellas and winning games, bearing in mind we don't know if D2 in '26 will be relevant to JackO, e.g. if he wins Sam in '25 will he be offered an extension - anything is possible folks as ye keep reminding me! On balance I think D1 is where Kerry belong - do we really want to be going down bog roads in the dark and cold of winter on dead rubber expeditions with the prize being to get back up where we are and belong but thought it wasn't not good enough for us kings of football? If anyone thinks being playing with the best isn't good enough, try mixing with the 2nd bests!
Unshackle and run riot, play with abandon, burn off the lesser teams - Galway had a poor AI final but were only a kick away from having an extra winter tourist! I am reliably informed that McGuinness feels this was one that got away - there for the taking by them! If we are honest, deep down we all probably think the same and sure look, it's no harm to give the Armaghs of the game a chance, maybe the Gods conspired and sure who can argue with them - sure I wasn't even allowed argue with the devils!
God bless ye all, I'll be on my knees, I'll say a prayer to St Brendan the Navigator for guidance here in my local church, I'll pop out to Fenit and set sail to, well, God only knows where - all I now need is a boat and everyone will be happy!
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Post by armaghniac on Aug 29, 2024 22:48:17 GMT
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Post by pillar on Aug 31, 2024 20:32:08 GMT
I think it's remarkable how calm people are around the whole senior team situation. It's been 6 weeks since the Armagh defeat and no one knows who managing the team . Games are going on thick and fast and is anyone watching the players. And the media seem to be gone very quiet.
4 Questions needsl to be asked
1. Who is the management team for the 2025 season?
2. Will there be any changes once this management is in place?
3. Any players leaving the panel?
4. What way are we going to play the national league?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Sept 1, 2024 10:42:01 GMT
To behonest I think there's another of apathy towards intercounty now for a variety of reasons.
Bar the fanatics I think the average supporters aren't interested given its 5 months before a ball will be kicked.
The Kerry podcast with Sean O'Sullivan covered it very well last week in particular the concern that lads approached have turned down the chance to replace the two lads.
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Post by pillar on Sept 1, 2024 11:50:29 GMT
To behonest I think there's another of apathy towards intercounty now for a variety of reasons. Bar the fanatics I think the average supporters aren't interested given its 5 months before a ball will be kicked. The Kerry podcast with Sean O'Sullivan covered it very well last week in particular the concern that lads approached have turned down the chance to replace the two lads. The fact that there is apathy says it all. Someone would want to call the tune soon, there'll be no point complaining next March. |
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Sept 1, 2024 14:37:26 GMT
Lest I stand further accused of liking the sound of my own voice, I humbly quote that of a scribe from the other side of Stacks’ mountain, a fellow latchico straddler of the North Kerry moors by the name of Coneen Houlihan; Con, lest anyone ever heard of him before this break of autumn.
Anyway this wise owl was of the view that ‘the GAA is a democratic organisation, kind of, but is cursed with men who are terrified of change’, and that isn’t the kind in which you might get a Celtic Cross or two after tendering a note!
Oscar Wilde quote of the day - Some add to the greater good wherever we go, others whenever we go
'More than a game' is that book alright!
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Post by horsebox77 on Sept 1, 2024 17:32:11 GMT
To behonest I think there's another of apathy towards intercounty now for a variety of reasons. Bar the fanatics I think the average supporters aren't interested given its 5 months before a ball will be kicked. The Kerry podcast with Sean O'Sullivan covered it very well last week in particular the concern that lads approached have turned down the chance to replace the two lads. Yes, I think Sean's comments echoed the general feeling amoung supporters |
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Post by bishop on Sept 1, 2024 21:45:30 GMT
Anyone know the situation with Paddy Tally? Or anyone on here that knows what's happening in Tyrone re. their management situation or when they'll be making an announcement?
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Post by horsebox77 on Sept 1, 2024 22:12:00 GMT
Am I right in thinking Tally still lectures in Queens University?
It is a worry that Jack is struggling to get a backroom team in place. I would have hoped the new Selectors would have been on place to throw the eye over the Club Championship, its now looking more likely the seats will remain vacant for the majority of the county championship... that is concerning ...
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Post by tpo on Sept 2, 2024 10:12:13 GMT
I watched the 1st Half of S/F again. Armagh scored 6 points,2 were frees for unneeded tug of Jersey, 3 from Kerry players errors, a bad hand pass by Paul Geaney, a dropped catch by Tom O Sullivan and a slip when hopping by David Clifford
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Post by gaaforlife on Sept 2, 2024 11:40:31 GMT
It tells its own story why ex players dont wamt to work with Jack.As Paidi said "we are animals"and want success every year and to a degree he was right. We not happy at mo because of our style etc.Jack s style is safety first.Now when i state facts about our style one or two supporters take offence and accuse me of being negative and anti Kerry but if an ex Kerry player says it ,it s fine. I have stated in the past that Jack likes to take on teams that are ready for success but then when he gets the success he brings them backwards.How dare I?. However Darragh O Se writes an article copying nearly exactly what I was saying and worse but some say "oh its a great article". Jack won 4 All Irelands as a manager but we could have won more imo.Tyrone wom am All Ireland against the odd in 21 but their management were laughed at afterwards.Even on this forum Mickey Harte was sneered at . I didnt want Jack back in the first place cos I knew what id get.Yes we won in 22 and im grateful but we should be winning more. Id love new management but if its not to be i will be supporting Kerry anyway.As always Ciarrai abu! A bit of balance here don't think it is fair blaming all on Jack all great when he was winning and getting back to finals should have won last year barring a mistake.. OK maybe he does play conservative but more so coaching talky influence not giving put about tally by the way. Also it is deluded think with game played now kerry played very attacking great see vs Tyrone 21 and lost so unfortunately with way other managers set up it is going to be a lot of defensive. He has flaws potentially and maybe needed give plays more time league and trust championship but harsh he done a lot of good to Kerry. Paid said that about kerry supporters and winning they were animals when did he say that about Jack. Great character but he is tough himself paid. Where did he say that about Jack ? Jack has flaws probably not out pro or not pro Jack. But seems agenda with some bringing up the past? We see how next year go and let's see how he uses the league if he goes same as this year league I would be questioning like again has try something different. |
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Post by gaaforlife on Sept 2, 2024 11:45:29 GMT
It tells its own story why ex players dont wamt to work with Jack.As Paidi said "we are animals"and want success every year and to a degree he was right. We not happy at mo because of our style etc.Jack s style is safety first.Now when i state facts about our style one or two supporters take offence and accuse me of being negative and anti Kerry but if an ex Kerry player says it ,it s fine. I have stated in the past that Jack likes to take on teams that are ready for success but then when he gets the success he brings them backwards.How dare I?. However Darragh O Se writes an article copying nearly exactly what I was saying and worse but some say "oh its a great article". Jack won 4 All Irelands as a manager but we could have won more imo.Tyrone wom am All Ireland against the odd in 21 but their management were laughed at afterwards.Even on this forum Mickey Harte was sneered at . I didnt want Jack back in the first place cos I knew what id get.Yes we won in 22 and im grateful but we should be winning more. Id love new management but if its not to be i will be supporting Kerry anyway.As always Ciarrai abu! Sorry it isn't so with oconor came after paid the issue was the way Paidi was ousted which nothing to do Jack really shows then Kerry mentality of success bit more measured but is that where anst to Jack is coming from here originally even though. Just asking? That said onto next year Kerry won't be far away just need find few threads to theor attack mainly and be clinical do something different |
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Post by riddler on Sept 2, 2024 12:17:24 GMT
I think it's remarkable how calm people are around the whole senior team situation. It's been 6 weeks since the Armagh defeat and no one knows who managing the team . Games are going on thick and fast and is anyone watching the players. And the media seem to be gone very quiet. 4 Questions needsl to be asked 1. Who is the management team for the 2025 season? 2. Will there be any changes once this management is in place? 3. Any players leaving the panel? 4. What way are we going to play the national league? We do know the management team for next year. Jack said in interview after the game v Armagh that he has one year left and he will be seeing it through, unfortunately! |
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Post by ciarraimick on Sept 2, 2024 12:31:38 GMT
It tells its own story why ex players dont wamt to work with Jack.As Paidi said "we are animals"and want success every year and to a degree he was right. We not happy at mo because of our style etc.Jack s style is safety first.Now when i state facts about our style one or two supporters take offence and accuse me of being negative and anti Kerry but if an ex Kerry player says it ,it s fine. I have stated in the past that Jack likes to take on teams that are ready for success but then when he gets the success he brings them backwards.How dare I?. However Darragh O Se writes an article copying nearly exactly what I was saying and worse but some say "oh its a great article". Jack won 4 All Irelands as a manager but we could have won more imo.Tyrone wom am All Ireland against the odd in 21 but their management were laughed at afterwards.Even on this forum Mickey Harte was sneered at . I didnt want Jack back in the first place cos I knew what id get.Yes we won in 22 and im grateful but we should be winning more. Id love new management but if its not to be i will be supporting Kerry anyway.As always Ciarrai abu! A bit of balance here don't think it is fair blaming all on Jack all great when he was winning and getting back to finals should have won last year barring a mistake.. OK maybe he does play conservative but more so coaching talky influence not giving put about tally by the way. Also it is deluded think with game played now kerry played very attacking great see vs Tyrone 21 and lost so unfortunately with way other managers set up it is going to be a lot of defensive. He has flaws potentially and maybe needed give plays more time league and trust championship but harsh he done a lot of good to Kerry. Paid said that about kerry supporters and winning they were animals when did he say that about Jack. Great character but he is tough himself paid. Where did he say that about Jack ? Jack has flaws probably not out pro or not pro Jack. But seems agenda with some bringing up the past? We see how next year go and let's see how he uses the league if he goes same as this year league I would be questioning like again has try something different. I never posted that Paidi said anything about Jack!It was Darragh.As for beimg close next year,Of course we will.We are close every year as are Dublin and will always be. Thats the point though.Its the tight margins that matter.The inches that count.Thats why if we played with more adventure the little mistakes might not have mattered. |
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Post by pillar on Sept 2, 2024 12:57:36 GMT
I think it's remarkable how calm people are around the whole senior team situation. It's been 6 weeks since the Armagh defeat and no one knows who managing the team . Games are going on thick and fast and is anyone watching the players. And the media seem to be gone very quiet. 4 Questions needsl to be asked 1. Who is the management team for the 2025 season? 2. Will there be any changes once this management is in place? 3. Any players leaving the panel? 4. What way are we going to play the national league? We do know the management team for next year. Jack said in interview after the game v Armagh that he has one year left and he will be seeing it through, unfortunately! We know Jack is there but there is doubts about the rest of it. One gone, one going and another linked to another job. Just needs clarity |
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Post by chicago09 on Sept 2, 2024 13:54:53 GMT
This is my first post since the Armagh loss so so disappointed with how everything went. I thought last year was bad it took me a long time to get over that one but this year is the worst loss for me. We should have never lost that one haven’t watched any game since and probably won’t till next year if there is some changes. The blame is on Jack and rightly so he is the manager and he failed us sorry to say that but that is my opinion. Us supporters put a lot of time and energy into this team from the McGrath cup all the way up all those club games watching seeing if anyone new impresses us talking hours about the games the players how they played and waiting and excited till Thursday evening comes to see the team named. We have been looking forward to the league every year and see how many new players get a run. After all that here we are the end of the championship and we don’t have any decent subs to bring on late in games. Dont anyone tell me there isn’t twenty players in the county that should be either starting or coming on as subs to make a difference. That is where Jack and his selectors failed us again and again. Looking back at the games this year how come every team had a plan to take David Clifford the best player in the country out of games but our three stooges can’t come up with a plan for him and also the team selection don’t get me started. I could be here all day talking about what else went wrong but I might get banned here which is fine really. I know one thing if Jim Gavin was managing this team we would have more than one all Ireland the last ten years.
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Post by kerryexile on Sept 3, 2024 9:07:55 GMT
This is my first post since the Armagh loss so so disappointed with how everything went. I thought last year was bad it took me a long time to get over that one but this year is the worst loss for me. We should have never lost that one haven’t watched any game since and probably won’t till next year if there is some changes. The blame is on Jack and rightly so he is the manager and he failed us sorry to say that but that is my opinion. Us supporters put a lot of time and energy into this team from the McGrath cup all the way up all those club games watching seeing if anyone new impresses us talking hours about the games the players how they played and waiting and excited till Thursday evening comes to see the team named. We have been looking forward to the league every year and see how many new players get a run. After all that here we are the end of the championship and we don’t have any decent subs to bring on late in games. Dont anyone tell me there isn’t twenty players in the county that should be either starting or coming on as subs to make a difference. That is where Jack and his selectors failed us again and again. Looking back at the games this year how come every team had a plan to take David Clifford the best player in the country out of games but our three stooges can’t come up with a plan for him and also the team selection don’t get me started. I could be here all day talking about what else went wrong but I might get banned here which is fine really. I know one thing if Jim Gavin was managing this team we would have more than one all Ireland the last ten years. Good honest post Chicago. There are many Kerry supporters who feel the same. The plan for David would be to give the forwards freedom to play their natural game. |
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Post by tralee58 on Sept 3, 2024 12:49:17 GMT
This is my first post since the Armagh loss so so disappointed with how everything went. I thought last year was bad it took me a long time to get over that one but this year is the worst loss for me. We should have never lost that one haven’t watched any game since and probably won’t till next year if there is some changes. The blame is on Jack and rightly so he is the manager and he failed us sorry to say that but that is my opinion. Us supporters put a lot of time and energy into this team from the McGrath cup all the way up all those club games watching seeing if anyone new impresses us talking hours about the games the players how they played and waiting and excited till Thursday evening comes to see the team named. We have been looking forward to the league every year and see how many new players get a run. After all that here we are the end of the championship and we don’t have any decent subs to bring on late in games. Dont anyone tell me there isn’t twenty players in the county that should be either starting or coming on as subs to make a difference. That is where Jack and his selectors failed us again and again. Looking back at the games this year how come every team had a plan to take David Clifford the best player in the country out of games but our three stooges can’t come up with a plan for him and also the team selection don’t get me started. I could be here all day talking about what else went wrong but I might get banned here which is fine really. I know one thing if Jim Gavin was managing this team we would have more than one all Ireland the last ten years. Yes 👍 agreed |
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Post by thehermit on Sept 3, 2024 14:03:31 GMT
Watching the club final on Sunday and Tony Brosnan's excellent long range kicking in a MOM performance you couldn't help but wonder why the hell wasn't he wasn't doing that against Armagh! Like Clifford and Seanie the structure and system we've been using is letting them down and costing us games.
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 3, 2024 15:07:37 GMT
Watching the club final on Sunday and Tony Brosnan's excellent long range kicking in a MOM performance you couldn't help but wonder why the hell wasn't he wasn't doing that against Armagh! Like Clifford and Seanie the structure and system we've been using is letting them down and costing us games. Brosnan is a corner forward; Seanie is a central player; Clifford can play anywhere. Structure & system malfunction. Dylan Geaney showed why he should have been on Kerry’s starting XV. |
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Sept 3, 2024 17:23:01 GMT
Watching the club final on Sunday and Tony Brosnan's excellent long range kicking in a MOM performance you couldn't help but wonder why the hell wasn't he wasn't doing that against Armagh! Like Clifford and Seanie the structure and system we've been using is letting them down and costing us games. Brosnan is a corner forward; Seanie is a central player; Clifford can play anywhere. Structure & system malfunction. Dylan Geaney showed why he should have been on Kerry’s starting XV. I don’t agree on Brosnan, he’s not good enough as an inside forward at inter county level. He played well this year at wing forward, it allows him to get on the ball and show his undoubted skill. |
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 3, 2024 18:43:19 GMT
Brosnan is a corner forward; Seanie is a central player; Clifford can play anywhere. Structure & system malfunction. Dylan Geaney showed why he should have been on Kerry’s starting XV. I don’t agree on Brosnan, he’s not good enough as an inside forward at inter county level. He played well this year at wing forward, it allows him to get on the ball and show his undoubted skill. Sorry, my point is that Tony B is a corner forward & if he cannot get in the county team @ 13, then there is no starting spot for him - is he an inter county corner forward? Unfortunately, no in my opinion. |
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Post by boots on Sept 3, 2024 20:05:21 GMT
I don’t agree on Brosnan, he’s not good enough as an inside forward at inter county level. He played well this year at wing forward, it allows him to get on the ball and show his undoubted skill. Sorry, my point is that Tony B is a corner forward & if he cannot get in the county team @ 13, then there is no starting spot for him - is he an inter county corner forward? Unfortunately, no in my opinion. I couldn’t disagree more. While we are quick to give out about our management this season, I thought the positioning of Tony brosnan on the wing was a very positive move. It gave us an another attacking threat who also added a real work rate to his play that we haven’t seen from him before. Was Tony not named man of the match in 2 of the games and I don’t think he left the side down against Armagh either. His performance against dingle at the weekend was of a man full of confidence after a season where he finally nailed down a regular starting place with kerry and it was great to see. |
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Post by boots on Sept 3, 2024 20:48:51 GMT
If true, it is disconcerting that Declan, KD, Colm Cooper and Seamus Moynihan refuses to join the management team. How does one interpret it? Too busy with other matters? Disillusionment with the style of football currently being practised by Jack? A belief that philosophy would not change irrespective of their presence and that they would be there to just rubber stamp more of the same? It depicts a depressing picture. I am one of those who feel Jack should step aside on the grounds that he has become too rigid in his approach which allied to his innate conservatism gives one little optimism for 2025. Now, it is legitimate to ask who would I nominate as a replacement. I am not sure. However, it is difficult to accept , in such a football mad county , that there isn’t someone with football nous , irrespective of his lack of intercounty experience , who could not assemble a formidable backroom team to steer our current panel to success, containing as it does some of the best footballers I have seen play for our county. What I am saying , is that a potent backroom team could be more pivotal than than the actual figurehead. Appoint somebody with the people skills not only to relate to the players but who also has the humility and the adroitness to respectfully delegate responsibility to members of his management team who have greater expertise than he in a particular area. In a way, his principal role is to act as a facilitator. In summary , perhaps the secret is in the backroom team assembled rather than in the supremo. Extending that further, it maybe that some of the names mentioned ,who allegedly refused to come aboard under the current boss , might be persuaded to participate under somebody else. I would imagine the primary reason some of those people mentioned, as well as Tomás, chose not to go in with jack is a lot to do with finance. Donaghy would be giving up big money if he left armagh I’d say. Gooch and Tomás can work away on the Sunday game (it fits well with the u20 season for Tomás). Do they need the hassle of bein in with kerry right now and giving up all that money? And of course, they’re looking at a year down the line and eyeing up the top job for themselves too no doubt. Plus, one year with a manager coming to the end of his road is not an attractive deal. The story doing the rounds is that Quirke and Murphy both walked away because they just couldn’t work with paddy Tally any longer. All in all, not hard to see why people would be slow to get involved with a set-up like that. . |
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 3, 2024 20:52:19 GMT
Sorry, my point is that Tony B is a corner forward & if he cannot get in the county team @ 13, then there is no starting spot for him - is he an inter county corner forward? Unfortunately, no in my opinion. I couldn’t disagree more. While we are quick to give out about our management this season, I thought the positioning of Tony brosnan on the wing was a very positive move. It gave us an another attacking threat who also added a real work rate to his play that we haven’t seen from him before. Was Tony not named man of the match in 2 of the games and I don’t think he left the side down against Armagh either. His performance against dingle at the weekend was of a man full of confidence after a season where he finally nailed down a regular starting place with kerry and it was great to see. Maybe I am being overly critical in a year when the Kerry attack largely malfunctioned but 3 points vs Derry & Armagh for me is no more than adequate - he was replaced in both games & I think struggled big time vs Forker in the semi final; yes, he had a fine game last weekend & was deservedly Man of the Match. |
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Post by shannonsider on Sept 3, 2024 21:11:34 GMT
I couldn’t disagree more. While we are quick to give out about our management this season, I thought the positioning of Tony brosnan on the wing was a very positive move. It gave us an another attacking threat who also added a real work rate to his play that we haven’t seen from him before. Was Tony not named man of the match in 2 of the games and I don’t think he left the side down against Armagh either. His performance against dingle at the weekend was of a man full of confidence after a season where he finally nailed down a regular starting place with kerry and it was great to see. Maybe I am being overly critical in a year when the Kerry attack largely malfunctioned but 3 points vs Derry & Armagh for me is no more than adequate - he was replaced in both games & I think struggled big time vs Forker in the semi final; yes, he had a fine game last weekend & was deservedly Man of the Match. Forker was on Dara Moynihan for a lot of the Armagh game. Was in Cusack and could see that clearly. |
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Sept 3, 2024 21:30:15 GMT
I suppose like everyone else we will have to wait and see but what are we waiting for?
Is it that TCB are monitoring the situation and which is fair enough, you can't knee jerk at the every whim of a few nutters like myself. And while so far the majority appear to want change, is it a question of how many have expressed their view and which simply isn't enough, moreover as it is clear that not everyone on TCB wants jack to go? As it stands JackO will lead us on 2025 and we will all have to get behind him.
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Post by homerj on Sept 4, 2024 7:51:52 GMT
Lots of lads posting rumours here about management changes and that's all they are.
I've spoken to a good source and can certainly tell you that they are not true and the reality is a little different.
Before putting people down, it's probably best to think for a second "is what i am posting factual or is it the usual lies that seems to be rampant in kerry football"
Heard a story last week about a player and the person telling me was adamant it was true, it was pure lies.
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Post by pillar on Sept 4, 2024 10:55:54 GMT
Lots of lads posting rumours here about management changes and that's all they are. I've spoken to a good source and can certainly tell you that they are not true and the reality is a little different. Before putting people down, it's probably best to think for a second "is what i am posting factual or is it the usual lies that seems to be rampant in kerry football" Heard a story last week about a player and the person telling me was adamant it was true, it was pure lies. Youre 100 percenr right, the rumour mill can gain serious momentum and i think that why it's important that someone comes out with the full story..We know about Mike Quirke..is there anyone else gone from the management? When are their replacements to be ratified? It breeds an instability at the moment. |
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Post by The16thMan on Sept 4, 2024 14:42:53 GMT
Rumours from Tyrone is that Malachy O'Rourke is to be named Tyrone manager next Tuesday night and that Paddy Tally could be joining him. Nothing confirmed yet though.
That could mean that Mike Quirke, Diarmuid Murphy, Tony Griffin, Brendan Kealy & possibly Paddy Tally could be leaving the management setup this winter. Would be a huge shake up if so.
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