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Post by orangerhyme on Jun 4, 2024 13:00:46 GMT
Yep the prevailing mood among our group as we left the terraces on Sunday afternoon was that this had been a poor performance, despite the 15 point margin of victory. Little pace or intensity to our play but then again on a day when being in second gear is more than enough, perhaps we can't complain too much if that is all Kerry do. This is the second year of this new format and at this stage I've given up trying to decipher what the tea leaves that are dropped say for our AI prospects. The truth is we won't know till a Q-final at the earliest where Kerry really are at. Will they be undercooked or primed for battle - you can make arguments for either case. Kerry have never been as ruthless as this current Dublin side, I'd always say Kerry are more human than the robotism of our rival too. We tend to do just what needs to be done versus going out to hit specific targets regardless of the opposition. Anyway I would expect Louth to give us our biggest test of this group, having let a win against Monaghan slip through their fingers they have something to fight for. We'll see what two weeks time brings. We'll be there or thereabouts when the time comes i.e. when we meet the stronger teams in the 1/4s, semi or final. Our squad is very experienced now, really they should be peaking. It'll come down to good decision making in the final quarter, impact of our bench.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 4, 2024 16:30:00 GMT
It is ten years since the first of that salvo of AI Minor wins...
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Post by orangerhyme on Jun 4, 2024 23:24:15 GMT
It is ten years since the first of that salvo of AI Minor wins... I'd assumed David Clifford would lift Sam for our 40th AI. That might not happen.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Jun 4, 2024 23:30:33 GMT
It is ten years since the first of that salvo of AI Minor wins... I'd assumed David Clifford would lift Sam for our 40th AI. That might not happen. He’s 25.. we are going to win 2 All Irelands in the next 7/8 years.
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Post by orangerhyme on Jun 4, 2024 23:37:50 GMT
I'd assumed David Clifford would lift Sam for our 40th AI. That might not happen. He’s 25.. we are going to win 2 All Irelands in the next 7/8 years. We've only won 2 since 2009. One every 7 years.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Jun 4, 2024 23:42:11 GMT
He’s 25.. we are going to win 2 All Irelands in the next 7/8 years. We've only won 2 since 2009. One every 7 years. The generation who should have been driving 2010-2018 was of a poor enough standard though, this current generation is much more talented and I think there’s enough young talent coming up to supplement the Cliffords, Seanie, Tom, Graham, Foley etc. over the next number of years.
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Post by orangerhyme on Jun 4, 2024 23:43:59 GMT
We've only won 2 since 2009. One every 7 years. The generation who should have been driving 2010-2018 was of a poor enough standard though, this current generation is much more talented and I think there’s enough young talent coming up to supplement the Cliffords, Seanie, Tom, Graham, Foley etc. over the next number of years. Dublin could reach 40 before we do.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 5, 2024 8:30:18 GMT
The generation who should have been driving 2010-2018 was of a poor enough standard though, this current generation is much more talented and I think there’s enough young talent coming up to supplement the Cliffords, Seanie, Tom, Graham, Foley etc. over the next number of years. Dublin could reach 40 before we do. That the fear really, finances have tipped the scale in their favour...
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 5, 2024 9:10:25 GMT
I know the GAA will point to something being on nearly every game in the last round of the group stages whether teams are fighting to stay in the championship, a home preliminary quarter final or the 2 week break that comes with topping the group. Derry have lost 3 times in 3 championship games and still have at least a 50/50 chance of making a preliminary quarter final. People still aren't getting the message that there is a massive difference between winning the group and getting out of the group. Getting out of the group when all you are doing is ending up in a preliminary quarter-final is likely to be worth damm all the vast vast majority of the time. Every year under this structure it is guaranteed that half of the teams that "make it to a preliminary quarter-final" will be dead and buried and gone from the championship within 7 days. Last year - the only year we have evidence for so far - three out of the remaining four teams that made it through a preliminary-quarter-final were dead and buried within another 7 days. It's very likely with the way things are set up that results will remain broadly the same in the future for teams who end up in the preliminary quarter-finals - half of the teams will get to play an extra game and week more than those teams who end up bottom of the group and for the other half they will get to play two more game/two more weekends and be done bar the very odd exception of those teams who manage to overcome the three games in three weeks schedule to beat one of the group winners who had a rest while watching the preliminary quarter-finals take place. I think too many folk still haven't grasped that there is a likely to be a huge difference in terms of a teams chances of winning Sam via the preliminary quarter-final route compared to winning your group. I meant to keep a track of how the bookies odds of winning Sam changed for various teams after the first round of group games and second round of games occurred to see what sort how much of a difference it made to a teams odds when they lost out on the chance of winning the group but other stuff got in the way. However I did see that after Derry's loss to Galway in their group game, Derry's odds went from 6/1 to 12/1 in one bookies. Checking their odds in the bookies at the momemnt they are around the 20/1 mark. 16/1 in some places 25/1 in others but most either showing 18/1 or 20/1 This would be broadly in line with what I expected - basically winning Sam via the preliminary-quarterfinal route is probably at least twice as difficult compared to winning tour group if not even more difficult than that. Under this structure I would be very shocked if any team wins Sam via that route any time soon - it just looks incredibly hard based on everything I know about the championship.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 5, 2024 9:54:32 GMT
Dublin could reach 40 before we do. That the fear really, finances have tipped the scale in their favour... Kerry have enough money.
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Post by orangerhyme on Jun 5, 2024 10:21:26 GMT
Dublin could reach 40 before we do. That the fear really, finances have tipped the scale in their favour... Their structure and organisation now has created a monster. Once they make proper inroads into the more working class areas and the immigrant population, then it's game over. The money helps but really their success is built off the hard work of 1000s of volunteers.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 5, 2024 10:45:01 GMT
That the fear really, finances have tipped the scale in their favour... Their structure and organisation now has created a monster. Once they make proper inroads into the more working class areas and the immigrant population, then it's game over. The money helps but really their success is built off the hard work of 1000s of volunteers. In other counties volunteers have to fundraise for county team.
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Jun 5, 2024 12:18:50 GMT
Their structure and organisation now has created a monster. Once they make proper inroads into the more working class areas and the immigrant population, then it's game over. The money helps but really their success is built off the hard work of 1000s of volunteers. In other counties volunteers have to fundraise for county team. Will Crowd Funding take off here, and bearing in mind Dublin's population?
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 5, 2024 13:06:01 GMT
In other counties volunteers have to fundraise for county team. Will Crowd Funding take off here, and bearing in mind Dublin's population? Christ, that is a thought provoking question.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 5, 2024 14:51:26 GMT
That the fear really, finances have tipped the scale in their favour... Their structure and organisation now has created a monster. Once they make proper inroads into the more working class areas and the immigrant population, then it's game over. The money helps but really their success is built off the hard work of 1000s of volunteers. The immigrant population hasn't really had much of an impact up here to any great extent. Soccer is a more popular sport amongst the Eastern Europeans and those of African backgrounds. Cricket teams are very heavily populated by Indians, Pakistani and Bangladeshi people. Maybe that will change over time but I think there is more of an impact outside Dublin than within.
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Post by orangerhyme on Jun 5, 2024 15:15:58 GMT
Their structure and organisation now has created a monster. Once they make proper inroads into the more working class areas and the immigrant population, then it's game over. The money helps but really their success is built off the hard work of 1000s of volunteers. The immigrant population hasn't really had much of an impact up here to any great extent. Soccer is a more popular sport amongst the Eastern Europeans and those of African backgrounds. Cricket teams are very heavily populated by Indians, Pakistani and Bangladeshi people. Maybe that will change over time but I think there is more of an impact outside Dublin than within. Yeah it's surprising or maybe it's not. I guess in Dublin they've so much choice of sports but in rural areas less so. The Irish underage soccer teams are full of kids from different backgrounds. That's not a complaint. I'm all for it. I'm just thinking if Dublin ladies had someone like Rhasidat Adeleke playing. She'd be unstoppable.
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Post by jackiel on Jun 5, 2024 19:33:21 GMT
I'm with Sully on this one. A lot of the immigrant population head straight for soccer as parents think they have the next Ronaldo or whoever on their hands. No money in playing GAA.
My club has 2000+ members at the moment. We tend to get an influx of immigrant kids to our academy each September but most have packed it in by the summer or at least before they get to Go Games. Our summer & Easter camps go a bomb though cos its the cheapest childcare around. We tend to have a higher proportion of female non-nationals as a rule but as yet haven't had any on Minor or adult ladies teams for some reason.
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Post by exiled on Jun 5, 2024 20:14:06 GMT
That the fear really, finances have tipped the scale in their favour... Kerry have enough money. Elaborate on how Kerry have enough.. We haven't had the begging bowl out like Dublin..or had a Santa's like Limerick..
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 5, 2024 21:24:41 GMT
That the fear really, finances have tipped the scale in their favour... Kerry have enough money. Doesn't stop them throwing on the extra tenner to an all ireland final ticket ...
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Post by jackiel on Jun 5, 2024 21:56:37 GMT
This is a complete sidebar. One thing I noticed that after the game yesterday, Meath stewards and some fans were out in force cleaning up the rubbish while people were still leaving the stadium. There were some amount of bins and rubbish bags to drop the coffee cups. I'd love the GAA make more of an effort to ask fans to clean up after themselves. Maybe we should look at ourselves first on leaving the stadium as we found them. There's an initiative by Meath Camogie to gather up plastic bottles and cans to raise funds to buy their own. pitch under the Re-turn scheme. It is supported by the Meath GAA main sponsor who is also a very generous sponsor of the Camogie team. Clubs are making collections locally but Dunderry ladies were on the ball and did a collection in Pairc Tailteann after Sunday's match.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 5, 2024 23:22:15 GMT
Doesn't stop them throwing on the extra tenner to an all ireland final ticket ... I guess doing that is part of the 'how'?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 5, 2024 23:23:34 GMT
Elaborate on how Kerry have enough.. We haven't had the begging bowl out like Dublin..or had a Santa's like Limerick.. Kerry have enough in the sense that the Kerry men's senior team surely don't lack for funding.
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Post by homerj on Jun 6, 2024 9:44:20 GMT
there was a report in the independant (or was it examiner) about population in Kerry last few days, specifically looking at north, south and west and deopulation.....but also, it said that theres almost record numbers of young boys, in schools.
is this down to ukranians or huge numbers in towns or both? as in, do we have 500-600 ukranian kids in schools which has swelled the numbers?
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Post by kerryblueboy on Jun 6, 2024 10:32:36 GMT
I can tell you that there are no record numbers in north Kerry and after reading Bryan Sheehan in the Kerry man yesterday south Kerry is worse look at all the amalgamations in both districts numbers never worse
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Post by orangerhyme on Jun 6, 2024 11:26:25 GMT
Both are true. We have significant rural depopulation in South Kerry but the triangle of Killarney - Tralee - Killorglin has population growth. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41407331.html"Michael Murphy reports another interesting number. With the influx of Ukrainians kids (over 1,000 in Kerry alone), the number of boys attending primary school in the county has surged above 8,000 for the first time in two decades. The concentration, however, is in the urbanised centres of Tralee, Listowel, Killarney and Killorglin. " This is the article I believe. If you look at a population pyramid of Ireland, there's a bulge of kids from 10 to 16 years old at the moment. These are the children of the "popes children" as coined by David McWilliams i.e. our birth rate peaked in 1980 and has been dropping since. So this probably explains the high number of kids in primary school along with the Ukraine kids. I'm not sure what can be done about rural depopulation in South Kerry really. It's difficult to create jobs there other than the usual jobs in tourism, agricultural etc.. The likes of East Kerry people who work from home can commute to Limerick or Cork a few days a week if they wish.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 6, 2024 12:47:26 GMT
Glenflesk minors or U-21 beat West Kerry a few weekends back.
I understand it was all five clubs making up West Kerry.
I think the only solution is a Slaughtneil approach. Which to my mind means taking community spirit to new levels.
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Post by orangerhyme on Jun 6, 2024 13:09:53 GMT
Glenflesk minors or U-21 beat West Kerry a few weekends back. I understand it was all five clubs making up West Kerry. I think the only solution is a Slaughtneil approach. Which to my mind means taking community spirit to new levels. Have lots of new houses been built in Glenflesk over the past 10/20 years? They seem to be doing well underage for years now.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 6, 2024 13:36:21 GMT
Glenflesk minors or U-21 beat West Kerry a few weekends back. I understand it was all five clubs making up West Kerry. I think the only solution is a Slaughtneil approach. Which to my mind means taking community spirit to new levels. Have lots of new houses been built in Glenflesk over the past 10/20 years? They seem to be doing well underage for years now. I can't see them tbh
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Post by mitchelsontour on Jun 6, 2024 13:40:16 GMT
Elaborate on how Kerry have enough.. We haven't had the begging bowl out like Dublin..or had a Santa's like Limerick.. Kerry have enough in the sense that the Kerry men's senior team surely don't lack for funding. But its not about the senior team not lacking for funding. The money that has made the difference in the development of Dublin has been focused on putting GDOs in all the clubs and developing pathways for young players to be guided to elite level. This along with population has been the game changer. How many GDOs are there in Kerry and what is the ratio of club to GDO here.
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Post by jackiel on Jun 6, 2024 14:02:05 GMT
My club had a GPO here for a couple of years but he left during Covid . Despite our best efforts we couldn't secure a replacement through Meath Co Board or Leinster Council so a decision was made to employ one directly. We've advertised widely but we've only had one applicant who doesn't have the required qualifications The reason is that pay and conditions in Dublin for doing the same job are substantially higher. I've heard of a few ex Meath GPO's now working in Dublin clubs.
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