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Post by homerj on Jun 6, 2024 14:46:02 GMT
Both are true. We have significant rural depopulation in South Kerry but the triangle of Killarney - Tralee - Killorglin has population growth. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41407331.html"Michael Murphy reports another interesting number. With the influx of Ukrainians kids (over 1,000 in Kerry alone), the number of boys attending primary school in the county has surged above 8,000 for the first time in two decades. The concentration, however, is in the urbanised centres of Tralee, Listowel, Killarney and Killorglin. " This is the article I believe. If you look at a population pyramid of Ireland, there's a bulge of kids from 10 to 16 years old at the moment. These are the children of the "popes children" as coined by David McWilliams i.e. our birth rate peaked in 1980 and has been dropping since. So this probably explains the high number of kids in primary school along with the Ukraine kids. I'm not sure what can be done about rural depopulation in South Kerry really. It's difficult to create jobs there other than the usual jobs in tourism, agricultural etc.. The likes of East Kerry people who work from home can commute to Limerick or Cork a few days a week if they wish. yep, but this is my question - is the spike linked to Ukranian boys? or is the number of boys high in general and the ukraine influx has swelled it even more to very high levels? 8000 primary school boys makes for good reading, taking into account the sad state of population in NK, SK, WK of course but the county board needs to do something about taht quickly and have kids who have parents from these regions, getting incentivised to play for their clubs.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 6, 2024 16:04:24 GMT
Kerry have enough in the sense that the Kerry men's senior team surely don't lack for funding. But its not about the senior team not lacking for funding. The money that has made the difference in the development of Dublin has been focused on putting GDOs in all the clubs and developing pathways for young players to be guided to elite level. This along with population has been the game changer. How many GDOs are there in Kerry and what is the ratio of club to GDO here. I'm nearly sure the total number of coaching staff in Kerry is 11.
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Post by orangerhyme on Jun 6, 2024 16:35:55 GMT
Both are true. We have significant rural depopulation in South Kerry but the triangle of Killarney - Tralee - Killorglin has population growth. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41407331.html"Michael Murphy reports another interesting number. With the influx of Ukrainians kids (over 1,000 in Kerry alone), the number of boys attending primary school in the county has surged above 8,000 for the first time in two decades. The concentration, however, is in the urbanised centres of Tralee, Listowel, Killarney and Killorglin. " This is the article I believe. If you look at a population pyramid of Ireland, there's a bulge of kids from 10 to 16 years old at the moment. These are the children of the "popes children" as coined by David McWilliams i.e. our birth rate peaked in 1980 and has been dropping since. So this probably explains the high number of kids in primary school along with the Ukraine kids. I'm not sure what can be done about rural depopulation in South Kerry really. It's difficult to create jobs there other than the usual jobs in tourism, agricultural etc.. The likes of East Kerry people who work from home can commute to Limerick or Cork a few days a week if they wish. yep, but this is my question - is the spike linked to Ukranian boys? or is the number of boys high in general and the ukraine influx has swelled it even more to very high levels? 8000 primary school boys makes for good reading, taking into account the sad state of population in NK, SK, WK of course but the county board needs to do something about taht quickly and have kids who have parents from these regions, getting incentivised to play for their clubs. I think it's both. The numbers were already quite high and then the Ukrainians swelled it to the highest number in 20 years. If you look at a population pyramid of Ireland, you can see a bulge of kids from maybe 8/9 years old to 15/16. These are the kids of people born during the baby boom of late 70s and early 80s. Also these people didn't need to emigrate for work also. So in a few years we'll be hearing of primary schools struggling for numbers again.
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Post by Zubie on Jun 7, 2024 10:56:19 GMT
But its not about the senior team not lacking for funding. The money that has made the difference in the development of Dublin has been focused on putting GDOs in all the clubs and developing pathways for young players to be guided to elite level. This along with population has been the game changer. How many GDOs are there in Kerry and what is the ratio of club to GDO here. I'm nearly sure the total number of coaching staff in Kerry is 11. I believe that there is a GPO for almost every club in Dublin with the last plan being that each club would have 2. This is what all that money has bought. I've no problem with more GPOs, however they should be spread around the country, not just in Dublin.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 7, 2024 13:09:17 GMT
I wonder how many Dublin youth players, or lads just out of minor ever went to Oz?.... I don't recall any "high enough" profile player heading ... unlike us... make you wonder, what Dublin can offer to keep lads at home that we can't.
It irks me that the gaa volunteer will invest so much time and effort into a lad, only for the professional circuit to benefit from the results....
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Jun 7, 2024 16:42:08 GMT
I wonder how many Dublin youth players, or lads just out of minor ever went to Oz?.... I don't recall any "high enough" profile player heading ... unlike us... make you wonder, what Dublin can offer to keep lads at home that we can't. It irks me that the gaa volunteer will invest so much time and effort into a lad, only for the professional circuit to benefit from the results.... Recruitment has ramped up in the last year or two post Covid, Dublin simply don’t currently have any young players the Aussies would be interested in. There are no real standout athletic players coming up in Dublin from watching the odd game from their very average underage teams. We seem to be more likely than most counties to produce the elite athlete they’re looking for.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 7, 2024 16:53:44 GMT
I wonder how many Dublin youth players, or lads just out of minor ever went to Oz?.... I don't recall any "high enough" profile player heading ... unlike us... make you wonder, what Dublin can offer to keep lads at home that we can't. It irks me that the gaa volunteer will invest so much time and effort into a lad, only for the professional circuit to benefit from the results.... Kilkenny.
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Post by tralee58 on Jun 7, 2024 18:38:50 GMT
I wonder how many Dublin youth players, or lads just out of minor ever went to Oz?.... I don't recall any "high enough" profile player heading ... unlike us... make you wonder, what Dublin can offer to keep lads at home that we can't. It irks me that the gaa volunteer will invest so much time and effort into a lad, only for the professional circuit to benefit from the results.... Kilkenny. Money, financial clout has been huge factor in Dublins rise over last decade. This and their position in the capital of Ireland 🇮🇪 is major factor. Also playing semi finals and finals on their home pitch in front of their home crowd gave major advantage. Must be so much easier for youth players to break through. As in English football and sports globally finance is major factor in success any team that overcomes this has done very well. Very
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Post by exiled on Jun 7, 2024 20:34:42 GMT
Elaborate on how Kerry have enough.. We haven't had the begging bowl out like Dublin..or had a Santa's like Limerick.. Kerry have enough in the sense that the Kerry men's senior team surely don't lack for funding. You are missing the point in the number of full time coaches paid by Croke Park for Dublin compared to other counties. You are not looking at the big picture. It all comes from the underage with coaches etc. Dublin got a massive help from Croke Park compared to all other counties. What does it matter if you give a county senior team millions..you are not going to change the pick at that point..
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Post by tralee58 on Jun 8, 2024 10:52:22 GMT
Money, financial clout has been huge factor in Dublins rise over last decade. This and their position in the capital of Ireland 🇮🇪 is major factor. Also playing semi finals and finals on their home pitch in front of their home crowd gave major advantage. Must be so much easier for youth players to break through. As in English football and sports globally finance is major factor in success any team that overcomes this has done very well. Very I have long argued that yes money is very important in being successful but its not a factor in Dublin v Kerry.We in Kerry always had plenty of money and Kerry group have been brilliant sponsers.Also Kerry always fund raised big in America.Kerry players are looked after bigtime just like Dublim with free gyms cars gear etc.I workwd with lads from Sligo and Leitrim years ago that played for their county but haf to give it up cos travelling from Dublin was costing them money.That never happened in Kerry.Home games in croke park gave Dubs an advantage over Kerry but not money.Money gave them and us an advantage over many counties for years. Fair comments those you educated and reminded me of the association Kerry have in USA 🇺🇸. Be great to see Austin Stack developed into a genuine Championship quality stadia giving Kerry an alternative on occasions. How much do you guesstimate it would need ?
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Jun 9, 2024 19:47:35 GMT
Most interesting comments here - I have had a good look at this area down the years and for what it is worth, there are numerous factors - population, money, development, etc, key being a vintage crop of players.
The big threat to an 'amateur' sport is the economics of it all and the comments above acknowledge this. Of course we also need to make the games as accessible for the youth as possible, this is what it is all about. I have no doubt the GAA will be 'alive and kicking' when we aren't but as to what the state of play will be, who knows. Technology will also be a factor, how, again - anyone's guess - crowdfunding being but one aspect.
I think GAA HQ is mindful of this and they would, wisely, have their eyes and ears open here.
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