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Post by veteran on May 20, 2024 19:16:18 GMT
“ three more games of dredge “ if you feel watching the likes of the Cliffords, Sean O’Shea, Paul Geaney and others play, irrespective of the opposition , is no more than a game of dredge I suggest you find yourself another hobby, Im clearly talking about the spectacle, lack of real jeopardy where it appeared 15 mins in that Monaghan were nearly holding back for the other 2 winnable games. Kerry play 2 more div 2 games after this until the real business starts. There was 10,000 there and people shuffling out at half time. But well done on taking something I said and trying to twist it into something I didnt. You can talk about spectacle and lack of real jeopardy until the cows come home but you used the expression “ three more games of dredge “ I challenged your use of that expression in games which involve some generational Kerry players , irrespective of the opposition or the scoreline. I am afraid there is no weaseling out of the facts by suggesting your words were twisted.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 20, 2024 20:34:30 GMT
Kerry did everything that were asked of them on Saturday.
Monaghan were appalling,
Infact they were worse than appalling as they couldn't be bothered.
No shame in losing but there is shame in not trying.
They never laid a glove on Kerry and it was their strongest team with the exception of Hughes.
I felt sorry for the supporters who drove 6 hours down and incurred alot of cost to see that.
I wouldn't be holding out hope that Meath will test Kerry in Navan.
My daughter had a brilliant time in Killarney however with pizza and ice cream and she let dad have a pint in Jimmy OBriens.
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Post by veteran on May 20, 2024 20:58:14 GMT
You can talk about spectacle and lack of real jeopardy until the cows come home but you used the expression “ three more games of dredge “ I challenged your use of that expression in games which involve some generational Kerry players , irrespective of the opposition or the scoreline. I am afraid there is no weaseling out of the facts by suggesting your words were twisted. A tad harsh Vet I would think.I know what Kot was trying to say.Regardless of what players were on show the game was poor especially for the neutrals.Look at Dublin still with players considered by many as some of the greatest to play the game and they not getting crowds either as the excitement is nt there and that's even before they play the group games.Ask yourself are you excited with this system? Mick, regardless of the merits or demerits of the current system it is what we have at the moment. We are in the football high season now and that is what I like to discuss . I feel the appropriate time to discuss the system is when the season ends and if this debate is current in , say , August , I will give my views on it then. My disagreement with Kot, who, without appearing to be too condescending, I regard as one of the better contributors here , concerns his use of the expression “ three more games of dredge”. I have already explained why. Just briefly back to the current format. I remember being in Portlaoise at the last group game against Louth last year. It is hard to overstate the excitement of that day as news filtered through on the stand about results of other games because so many issues remained to be resolved on that final Sunday, not least the roar that went up when it was announced that Cork had beaten Mayo thus guaranteeing us a straight crack at a quarterfinal. Therefore I heard something that day that I thought I would never live to experience , Kerry celebrating a Cork victory! Of course the way results panned out that day ensured a fairytale ending for the group stages, something that cannot be planned or scripted. In any case , more about the format at a more appropriate time.
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Post by kot on May 20, 2024 21:06:56 GMT
Im clearly talking about the spectacle, lack of real jeopardy where it appeared 15 mins in that Monaghan were nearly holding back for the other 2 winnable games. Kerry play 2 more div 2 games after this until the real business starts. There was 10,000 there and people shuffling out at half time. But well done on taking something I said and trying to twist it into something I didnt. You can talk about spectacle and lack of real jeopardy until the cows come home but you used the expression “ three more games of dredge “ I challenged your use of that expression in games which involve some generational Kerry players , irrespective of the opposition or the scoreline. I am afraid there is no weaseling out of the facts by suggesting your words were twisted. Jesus I apologise if the use of a single word, which is hardly offensive, has upset you so much. It is twisting my words by suggesting I was having a pop off specific players when I was clearly & obviously lamenting this stop / start structure and how it is contributing to games that are falling flat…. So i’ll push back on your challenge in that respect. If you had an issue with me berating the GAA yet again, i’d have accepted that but ….
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Post by mossie on May 20, 2024 22:52:27 GMT
You can talk about spectacle and lack of real jeopardy until the cows come home but you used the expression “ three more games of dredge “ I challenged your use of that expression in games which involve some generational Kerry players , irrespective of the opposition or the scoreline. I am afraid there is no weaseling out of the facts by suggesting your words were twisted. Jesus I apologise if the use of a single word, which is hardly offensive, has upset you so much. It is twisting my words by suggesting I was having a pop off specific players when I was clearly & obviously lamenting this stop / start structure and how it is contributing to games that are falling flat…. So i’ll push back on your challenge in that respect. If you had an issue with me berating the GAA yet again, i’d have accepted that but …. "dredge" is not too severe, it is what many Kerry supporters are calling Gaelic football now, maybe not dredge used but similar sentiment Kerry actually had good support in our home league matches but the atmosphere at the matches was poor at best that tells it own story on the quality of fare on view Kerry will most likely have no home match for 7 months yet the turn out was poor v Monaghan, says a lot The under 20 final doesnt explain the poor crowd either, as Kerry had poor support at that too Austin Stack Park could soon become the more appropriate venue for our round robin matches capacity wise
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Post by mossie on May 20, 2024 22:58:11 GMT
Let's behonest lads Monaghan we're really poor. Kerry had tougher games in Munster. Having said that some of the scores were exceptional and the big positive for me is the spread of scores. We don't appear half as reliant on DC. It was laughable though at one point Monaghan were 15 points down yet they continued to double mark him. Re the lack of goals, I wouldn't be concerned Kerry could have scored numerous yesterday if they wanted too. Re the crowd, Really poor and when you consider Kerry won't play at home again for 7 months. poor support as you say, you would think blue chip players and generational talents like the Cliffords, Seanie Shea would draw in crowds Galway v Derry attendance was disappointing too Bar Ulster finals it looks as if Gaelic football now has no contest to draw in crowds to match the munster hurling championship in the early\mid championship stage
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 20, 2024 23:04:57 GMT
Let's behonest lads Monaghan we're really poor. Kerry had tougher games in Munster. Having said that some of the scores were exceptional and the big positive for me is the spread of scores. We don't appear half as reliant on DC. It was laughable though at one point Monaghan were 15 points down yet they continued to double mark him. Re the lack of goals, I wouldn't be concerned Kerry could have scored numerous yesterday if they wanted too. Re the crowd, Really poor and when you consider Kerry won't play at home again for 7 months. poor support as you say, you would think blue chip players and generational talents like the Cliffords, Seanie Shea would draw in crowds Galway v Derry attendance was disappointing too Bar Ulster finals it looks as if Gaelic football now has no contest to draw in crowds to match the munster hurling championship in the early\mid championship stage Yes especially when you consider the GAA reduced ticket prices in their recent bundle that the numbers were so poor.
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Post by Hicser on May 20, 2024 23:24:23 GMT
I don’t think the use of the word dredge is a disrespect to our great players.
Lack of fan enthusiasm stems from the lack of jeopardy and unfortunately entertainment.
The blanket defense has ruined the game and has introduced twitter football, the endless back and forth that looses people’s interest.
MSH is high on jeopardy and entertainment, in general all 5 teams can beat one another on any given day hence the interest. To some extent it is the same in Ulster football but maybe more from a competitive side of things.
I am exiled in a dual county and coach in a small club where they love both football & Hurling. However the locals are 10 times more likely to go to an inter county hurling match than a football one.
Football, when it is played between Kerry, Dublin, Galway, Mayo and even Derry will bring big crowds.
Sadly Kerry v Monaghan in a nothing game will not with the current state of the game.
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Post by veteran on May 21, 2024 9:16:06 GMT
This is my final word on the expression “ dredge games.” There appears to be a lot of confusion about my reply. My reply had nothing to do with the current structure , with the standard of football, with the lack of competitiveness etc . I do have views on those topics but my reply had nothing to do with those aspects of our game. My reply had everything to do with my refusal to accept the term “dredge games” when when you have some of greatest Kerry players ever to play for their county participating in those games. Feel free of course to complain about the lack of a contest , the lack of competitiveness , the lack of jeopardy etc. That is a different point . My argument is that the presence of the likes of the Clifford boys , Sean ‘Shea , Paul Geaney in full flow elevate games beyond the mundane , beyond the world of dredge. Life is too short not to appreciate that fact .
Goodbye now. Expecting to see you all in Navan. Don’t stay at home contemplating your navel . Support our boys.
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Post by Lolly Valance on May 21, 2024 14:43:05 GMT
Is there anyway to see the match online apart from shelling out to GAAGO?
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 21, 2024 15:51:58 GMT
Is there anyway to see the match online apart from shelling out to GAAGO? Highlights and trust me that's enough ate on rte player.
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