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Post by The16thMan on May 6, 2024 14:59:00 GMT
So its here now where the real work needs to begin. With a group of Monaghan, Meath and likely Louth. It's easy to say Kerry can cruise through this group like they have through Munster but Kerry need to prioritise a top place in the group to avoid playing potentially 3 weeks in a row running into the All Ireland Quarter Final should they get there.
Kerry lost at this phase last year vs Mayo last year after winning their 2 games in Munster by a total of 34 points. This year we have won their 2 games by a total of 10 points. The tighter games in Munster may suit Kerry I think as it means we constantly have a lot to improve on and it will keep the feet on the ground and give Kerry more motivation to perform for the group games.
Monaghan made the All Ireland semis last year, which was quickly forgotten after their relegation from Div.1 this year but it doesn't mean they will rollover in Killarney either. If Kerry perform in Killarney like they did vs Clare, Monaghan will be capable of beating that performance. If Kerry want to be beating Monaghan they will need to step up the performances they have given in Munster. I'm not saying we need to be at our absolute best to beat Monaghan but we definitely need a solid improvement. We should also have close to a full pick for this game so every fella in the panel should be chomping at the bit for this one.
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Post by thehermit on May 6, 2024 15:00:21 GMT
Any idea when date/time will be confirmed. Know people looking to fly home for it depending on whether it's the Saturday or Sunday.
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Post by The16thMan on May 6, 2024 15:05:08 GMT
Any idea when date/time will be confirmed. Know people looking to fly home for it depending on whether it's the Saturday or Sunday. I'd imagine we'd have the date confirmed by Wednesday the latest. If I was to guess I would imagine a Saturday throw in, like Mayo last year, as there are big Munster hurling games on the Sunday. Galway Derry might be the Sunday game if there is ine as Galway hurlers are out on the Saturday. But don't take my word as gospel either.
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Post by john4 on May 6, 2024 15:07:53 GMT
Any idea when date/time will be confirmed. Know people looking to fly home for it depending on whether it's the Saturday or Sunday. Considering that they saw the need for such urgency to hold the draw for the groups before the provincial finals, you'd imagine they'd be way down the road of having these fixtures ready to go!! But sure tis a Bank holiday I suppose!!
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Post by legendz on May 6, 2024 16:10:30 GMT
Similar to last year, the Round 1 games will probably be on the Saturday. Kerry v Monaghan and Galway v Derry will be on GAAGO I'd imagine. Kerry's Saturday games in Killarney have tended to be around 3pm. Galway v Derry will probably be that evening.
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Post by Fado on May 6, 2024 16:27:26 GMT
Lets not forget that Monaghan have enjoyed there time in Killarney in recent times...
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 6, 2024 18:24:33 GMT
Bringing my 5 year old daughter down on the train and really looking forward to it.
Something special about championship games in Killarney.
Being honest my expectations levels are the lowest since before 2019.
Maybe that's unreasonable but something is off for me when I watch them.
I will say one thing that Kerry can't be accused of is the over reliance of DC as we hit 19 scores from others on Sat and that is a positive.
Sean O Shea is taken a huge leadership role this year and its great to see.
Hopefully a good crowd from Monaghan travel down to make the occasion.
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Post by horsebox77 on May 7, 2024 8:25:19 GMT
On major observation from last few games, and this is stemming from centerfield. We are in trouble in the middle, there is no denying this. Both Diarmuid and Joe have their qualities and kinks, for me they are two similar and as a result ineffective as a duo.. for a middle partnership to succeed, the pairing have to compliment each others strengths and weakness, but neither are a holding or defensive midfielder. As a result we are open between the 45 and the D, which is stifling Tadgh... we need a holder in the pocket to allow Tadgh sweep between.. Jack Barry was very effective in this role.
At present both attack or come off the shoulder, which is well and good once the other is sitting in front of Tadgh, if both are out of position, Tadgh has to engage the runner, making his sweeping role ineffective in protecting the space in front of the D and full backline. One alternative is Adrain Spillane picked on the wing, and he peels back behind our attacking due and sits on the 45 or engages the forty-yard man allowing Tadgh to retreat in front of our full back line.
Should Kerry consider a change, as no disrespect to Louth or Meath.. we can still afford to... looking at last week's back 6... we could afford a reshuffle.. Graham is a guaranteed starter, but I was very impressed with O’Beagleoich in Ennis, very intelligent football brain.
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Post by homerj on May 7, 2024 9:33:13 GMT
will never, ever cease to be amazed how much negativity sourrounds the Kerry football team, it really is incredible. almost everywhere you read or listen to or talk to, has now completely written off this team as any good - seen one article last weekend where it said Kerry were stale and off it last 2 years - we got to 2 all ireland finals ffs!
while i know we demand high standards, it cant be good for the players.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 7, 2024 13:09:59 GMT
will never, ever cease to be amazed how much negativity sourrounds the Kerry football team, it really is incredible. almost everywhere you read or listen to or talk to, has now completely written off this team as any good - seen one article last weekend where it said Kerry were stale and off it last 2 years - we got to 2 all ireland finals ffs! while i know we demand high standards, it cant be good for the players. Everyone can't be wrong.
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Post by pipsqueak01 on May 7, 2024 14:19:14 GMT
will never, ever cease to be amazed how much negativity sourrounds the Kerry football team, it really is incredible. almost everywhere you read or listen to or talk to, has now completely written off this team as any good - seen one article last weekend where it said Kerry were stale and off it last 2 years - we got to 2 all ireland finals ffs! while i know we demand high standards, it cant be good for the players. Everyone can't be wrong. Everyone isn’t wrong. Homerj is right. Almost is acting like there is a gulf in class between us and the top teams when it’ll be a kick of a ball between us when it comes down to it. What we beat Cork/Clare by or how well we play against them will have zero bearing on the matches at crunch time
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 7, 2024 14:40:47 GMT
Everyone isn’t wrong. Homerj is right. Almost is acting like there is a gulf in class between us and the top teams when it’ll be a kick of a ball between us when it comes down to it. What we beat Cork/Clare by or how well we play against them will have zero bearing on the matches at crunch time Nobody has a crystal ball, Pundits and fans can only go on what we have seen year to date. Cork and Clare could have scored 5 goals between them against us. We haven't put a full 70 minutes together all year. Our midfield is a major concern. While our talisman is not in the form he has been previously. We look a team going through the motions and that we could be timing our run or that's the hope anyway. But all HomerJ and yourself have to go on is hope as there's no evidence we are a kick of a ball away from Dublin at present.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 7, 2024 14:51:42 GMT
Just to clarify,
I hope to god HomerJ and others are right and I'm wrong.
I note other games fixtures have been confirmed so hopefully ours is today also.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 7, 2024 15:34:03 GMT
Just to clarify, I hope to god HomerJ and others are right and I'm wrong. I note other games fixtures have been confirmed so hopefully ours is today also. Edit Game confirmed Sat 18th 3pm GAAGo.
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Post by legendz on May 7, 2024 16:59:55 GMT
No surprise with the 3pm throw-in. Seems to be the regular time now for Kerry on a Saturday. Good rhythm of a game every two weeks, winning the group all going will maintain that two week cycle.
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Post by southward on May 7, 2024 17:09:03 GMT
Hopefully a good crowd from Monaghan travel down to make the occasion. I wonder will Monaghan supporters, or the team for that matter, really be that bothered about the Kerry game? They'll surely target the Louth and Meath games as the ones to garner results from. Dare I say it, they might even rest some players against us? It's a good draw for Monaghan overall, great chance to progress.
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Post by paudief on May 7, 2024 17:59:48 GMT
Hopefully a good crowd from Monaghan travel down to make the occasion. I wonder will Monaghan supporters, or the team for that matter, really be that bothered about the Kerry game? They'll surely target the Louth and Meath games as the ones to garner results from. Dare I say it, they might even rest some players against us? It's a good draw for Monaghan overall, great chance to progress.
After seeing the Clare game, I think they will! (or Mayo at the same stage last year for that matter). Big prize for winning the group, you miss that preliminary quarter-final, and avoid one of the top-4 in the quarter finals. They can play it as a a shot to nothing, and actually I thought they played Kerry well in the first-half of the league match, before conceding a couple of goals in the second half.
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Post by mike70 on May 7, 2024 18:22:09 GMT
Lads, just can’t get excited, Monaghan , Meath and Louth, the championship for Kerry is another few weeks away, this group is a procession for Kerry.
Anyone know what will be the outcome for Kerry for topping this average group.
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Post by The16thMan on May 7, 2024 18:37:23 GMT
I wonder will Monaghan supporters, or the team for that matter, really be that bothered about the Kerry game? They'll surely target the Louth and Meath games as the ones to garner results from. Dare I say it, they might even rest some players against us? It's a good draw for Monaghan overall, great chance to progress. After seeing the Clare game, I think they will! (or Mayo at the same stage last year for that matter). Big prize for winning the group, you miss that preliminary quarter-final, and avoid one of the top-4 in the quarter finals. They can play it as a a shot to nothing, and actually I thought they played Kerry well in the first-half of the league match, before conceding a couple of goals in the second half.
Same can be said for Kerry supporters also. Alot of supporters won't be too interested in this game unfortunately. Probably is the same set of Kerry supporters you'd see if it was a league game between Kerry & Monaghan in Killarney. I would expect a low key crowd of 10k-15k. Kerry will want to top the group to avoid a draw against a team like Dublin etc.. in the last 8 like Mayo got last year and also to get that week off. There's a lot more on the line in this game than is being made out. Kerry won't want to make a trip to Navan on the back of a defeat and inviting pressure.
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Post by taggert on May 7, 2024 18:46:03 GMT
will never, ever cease to be amazed how much negativity sourrounds the Kerry football team, it really is incredible. almost everywhere you read or listen to or talk to, has now completely written off this team as any good - seen one article last weekend where it said Kerry were stale and off it last 2 years - we got to 2 all ireland finals ffs! while i know we demand high standards, it cant be good for the players. The negativity is coming from last year and this year based on performances.Yes we got to final last year but we lost (a game we had 3 point leads on 2 occasions).Also are you forgetting we needed a penalty to beat Cork by 2 points and were destroyed by Mayo at home in Killarney losing our 28year home record.Also that Mayo trouncing came while David Clifford gave a masterclass performance.You are entitled to your optimism Homer but in my eyes we are not getting any better.We are also missing the Jack Barry factor.We all would love to be wrong but many of us are not too optimistic of a recapture of Sam.I am confident we will make quarter final and if we win that maybe the sight of croke park might re energise this team but at mo im living in more hope than reason. The Jack Barry factor? I'm not sure what that is and I don't recall thinking this against Derry and Dublin in Croker last year. We do miss David Moran and we certainly have not seen the best of Diarmuid this season but I do think around these parts that certain players become better when they are not playing...... No disrespect to anyone but we did come up short in midfield against Dublin in the final.....
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Post by Aodhan on May 7, 2024 19:50:31 GMT
I remember the Monaghan semi-final of 1985, both drawn and replay only too well where Kerry were lucky top get out of jail the first day out with a far superior team than we have today. Kerry were scintillating in the replay. Complacency probably set in the first day. No point in counting chickens and expect that this will be a stroll in the park. All we have to do is remember Mayo last year, that display would bot be good enough. Monaghan were neck and neck with Dublin in their own back yard in last year's semi-final up to the last 10 minutes. They have their main players back and are targeting this game with a month or more. No team would live with the Golden Years Kerry team at their best, present or past. Take a look at highlights of the 1985 replay link
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Post by Aodhan on May 7, 2024 20:05:57 GMT
The Jack Barry factor? I'm not sure what that is and I don't recall thinking this against Derry and Dublin in Croker last year. We do miss David Moran and we certainly have not seen the best of Diarmuid this season but I do think around these parts that certain players become better when they are not playing...... No disrespect to anyone but we did come up short in midfield against Dublin in the final..... By the Jack B factor I mean he was a defensive midfielder and with Morley at 6 provided a cover thats not there now.Yes Dubs got the better of us midfield last year but they did also in 2015 and19 replay also with Moran playing.Yes Moran was a great midfielder but he is 36 or 37 now wheras Jack Barry is still young.Jack might not be a Fenton but he did provide better help to our defense than both O Connors. Carrickmick, I agree with you most of the time but Jack Barry is becoming an Urban Myth
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Post by horsebox77 on May 7, 2024 20:29:45 GMT
By the Jack B factor I mean he was a defensive midfielder and with Morley at 6 provided a cover thats not there now.Yes Dubs got the better of us midfield last year but they did also in 2015 and19 replay also with Moran playing.Yes Moran was a great midfielder but he is 36 or 37 now wheras Jack Barry is still young.Jack might not be a Fenton but he did provide better help to our defense than both O Connors. Carrickmick, I agree with you most of the time but Jack Barry is becoming an Urban Myth When i mentioned Jack Barry, I was referring to the role he played and the position he took up on thr field, not the actual player... if that makes sense
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Post by pipsqueak01 on May 7, 2024 22:04:21 GMT
Everyone isn’t wrong. Homerj is right. Almost is acting like there is a gulf in class between us and the top teams when it’ll be a kick of a ball between us when it comes down to it. What we beat Cork/Clare by or how well we play against them will have zero bearing on the matches at crunch time Nobody has a crystal ball, Pundits and fans can only go on what we have seen year to date. Cork and Clare could have scored 5 goals between them against us. We haven't put a full 70 minutes together all year. Our midfield is a major concern. While our talisman is not in the form he has been previously. We look a team going through the motions and that we could be timing our run or that's the hope anyway. But all HomerJ and yourself have to go on is hope as there's no evidence we are a kick of a ball away from Dublin at present. You’re crystal balling more that I am. Teams could have had 5 goals against us and I could’ve been on the square on Sunday if I was born a Clifford. The last championship match we played against an aging Dublin team was a loss by two points with David Clifford kicking a show of wides. That’s my evidence for a kick of a ball. Mick Fitz a year older, James Mc a year older, Cluxton a year older. That doesn’t mean Dublin won’t win, it just means that we are going to be in the conversation at the end with one of the big teams. Whether we beat Clare by 17 or 6 doesn’t change my opinion on that. If we put a ‘full 70 minutes together’ against Clare what would the narrative be this week? Clare are cat, Clare have 72 lads who left the panel, the provincials are a joke. Who cares?? I do not believe Kerry will be trounced by Dublin or Derry or whoever because they didn’t put Clare away easier. It doesn’t matter
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Post by pipsqueak01 on May 7, 2024 22:32:41 GMT
You’re crystal balling more that I am. Teams could have had 5 goals against us and I could’ve been on the square on Sunday if I was born a Clifford. The last championship match we played against an aging Dublin team was a loss by two points with David Clifford kicking a show of wides. That’s my evidence for a kick of a ball. Mick Fitz a year older, James Mc a year older, Cluxton a year older. That doesn’t mean Dublin won’t win, it just means that we are going to be in the conversation at the end with one of the big teams. Whether we beat Clare by 17 or 6 doesn’t change my opinion on that. If we put a ‘full 70 minutes together’ against Clare what would the narrative be this week? Clare are cat, Clare have 72 lads who left the panel, the provincials are a joke. Who cares?? I do not believe Kerry will be trounced by Dublin or Derry or whoever because they didn’t put Clare away easier. It doesn’t matter The flipside of that is the Dubs beat us last year with Con being held scoreless,James McCarthy having his worst final ever and Sean Bugler injured.Bugler is playing great ball as is Con.Fitz and McCarthy might be older but they might not play full matches.I think both Dublin and Derry are much stronger than last year.I cant say same about us altho Cillian Burke is a great addition. I fully accept the flipside. Either ourselves, Dublin or Derry will win the all Ireland. The rest is window dressing. It’s not a massive failure if we don’t. It’s a great success if we do. What we do against Clare or Cork or Monaghan doesn’t matter
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Post by kerryexile on May 7, 2024 22:40:04 GMT
Carrickmick, I agree with you most of the time but Jack Barry is becoming an Urban Myth When i mentioned Jack Barry, I was referring to the role he played and the position he took up on thr field, not the actual player... if that makes sense ..................how can we know the dancers from the dance....
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Post by sullyschoice on May 7, 2024 23:25:27 GMT
I haven't been impressed by Cillian Burke so far to be honest. He is a big lad alright. Would he be better suited in the middle of the park. I know he is young and all that.
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Post by exiled on May 7, 2024 23:57:02 GMT
I fully accept the flipside. Either ourselves, Dublin or Derry will win the all Ireland. The rest is window dressing. It’s not a massive failure if we don’t. It’s a great success if we do. What we do against Clare or Cork or Monaghan doesn’t matter Unfortunately when it comes to football im greedy so unless we win Sam I wont be happy😁 At least you can have your next choice..the Dubs
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Post by homerj on May 8, 2024 8:28:57 GMT
this talk about being right and wrong (which is complete nonsense) is based on what, us only winning an all Ireland?
The sense of entitlement is astounding, we no longer have a devine right to believe we will win the all Ireland every year and lads seem to throw their toys out of the pram when we dont.
We wont be far off like we werent in 19, 21 and 23 and thats enough for me, if we deserve to win it, we will. if we dont, we shouldnt be calling for the managers head and writing off 20+ players and so on.
honestly dont think many other counties players have to put up with this constant negativity and criticism.
dublin were in division 2 last year and struggled to beat kildare, they drew with roscommon. they timed their run, thats what its all about.
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Post by horsebox77 on May 8, 2024 10:25:56 GMT
this talk about being right and wrong (which is complete nonsense) is based on what, us only winning an all Ireland? The sense of entitlement is astounding, we no longer have a devine right to believe we will win the all Ireland every year and lads seem to throw their toys out of the pram when we dont. We wont be far off like we werent in 19, 21 and 23 and thats enough for me, if we deserve to win it, we will. if we dont, we shouldnt be calling for the managers head and writing off 20+ players and so on. honestly dont think many other counties players have to put up with this constant negativity and criticism. dublin were in division 2 last year and struggled to beat kildare, they drew with roscommon. they timed their run, thats what its all about. Hard to disagree with that.
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