Hicser
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Post by Hicser on May 17, 2024 22:56:11 GMT
“ I also agree that Fitzsimons had a poor final and even won an All Star on the back of David having a kicking off day. ”
We lost an All Ireland because of this! So please don’t depend on one player to win it for us. We need 6 scoring forwards and scoring goals. I don’t think we are trained to go for goals. Looks like we take them if the opportunity is obvious but not actively working for them
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Post by dc84 on May 17, 2024 23:04:17 GMT
On the goals front to score them you generally need one thing and that's pace we don't really have that up front at the moment. Stick a Darren o sullivan or a younger o brien in there and we'd score plenty
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Aodhan
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Post by Aodhan on May 17, 2024 23:18:05 GMT
Take a closer look at his displays over the last two years. He is mainly living on his name. A name can cover for a lot. When he had those 10 minutes bursts everyone thought he was wonderful. In the past it had taken me a while to admit that some Kerry greats were past it. Mike Frank being the most obvious. He was only 25 or 26 or so at the time so it was difficult to accept Maybe you are correct about McCarthy but I did nt notice.Yeah Mike Frank burst on the scene in 97 and in 2000 was just awesome.He regressed a little after 02 but I often wonder was it because Gooch became the main man.Now funny enough I often mention Jacko Shea s name about regressing a little but in midfield only.Jack was the best midfielder in the country from 78 to 86 bar none.He ruled the midfield area for nine years but from 87 onwards he was nt the same at midfield and it was no coincidence Kerry slipped too.Now he was still a class footballer and played great stuff in the half forward line and finally at full forward but at 30years old his best days as a midfielder were well behind him. McCarthy still has plenty to offer Dublin but not as a starter. I would love to see him start, coming off the bench like Jack McCaffrey is a totally different story. He cannot come near dominating a game from start to finish like he once did. It's very possibly that he will prove me wrong before the year is done but time waits for no man. Mike Frank was one of the best forwards I have ever seen, no way would I ever mean to knock him. In the collapse of the 2001 semi final only too Kerry players stood tall, Seamus Moynihan and Mike Frank
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Aodhan
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Post by Aodhan on May 17, 2024 23:28:52 GMT
Tell me what 5% you feel that he is missing. Could it be reading of the game, positional sense, along with aggression? He can be brilliant at times but not consistent. I don't think O'Brien is ready yet, hopefully before the year is out or next year. Really like Cillian Burke. The occasion that he’s been brilliant has been very rare for me. He’s well off Fenton and Glass. Look he’s just not at that level, it’s probably unfair on him to expect that level from him but it’s frustrating when he has shown glimpses. I agree, he is now in his prime years, I still hold out hope that he will become the dominant midfielder that at least I know he can be. Let tomorrow be the beginning.
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Post by thehermit on May 18, 2024 11:21:32 GMT
Heading for the train over, wonder what crowd they'll be today,15k??
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Post by The16thMan on May 18, 2024 12:34:04 GMT
Heading for the train over, wonder what crowd they'll be today,15k?? If we're lucky, I'd be more thinking 10k. Looks like a very dull,overcast, day in Killarney,forecast to be warm and sunny but looks anything but. Hopefully rain stays away.
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Post by chicago09 on May 18, 2024 13:17:30 GMT
The half forward is our week line no doubt there is a few lads now around that shouldn’t be there imo. This is basically the same team the last four or five years now the same team that started the league two years ago apart from Joe at midfield and Dan o donoghue who looked a great prospect at the time whatever happened with him nobody knows. Diarmuid who have great time for is disappointing and just going through the motions so far maybe he is saving himself for now. Joe o Connor who really has just started three championship games I still have faith in him it’s too early to judge him yet. The guy is just learning his trade really He is all over the place, but that’s the way midfield is now so he’s just learning. Not like the old days when you could throw Dara or jacko in there and just catch the ball and kick it in to the forwards.
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Post by sullyschoice on May 18, 2024 14:41:16 GMT
Heavy traffic into town from Tralee side
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Post by goforit2 on May 18, 2024 14:42:04 GMT
No contest at the moment. Like a challenge match.
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Post by greengold35 on May 18, 2024 14:44:59 GMT
Heading for the train over, wonder what crowd they'll be today,15k?? Apparently 7,000 tickets only sold.
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Post by The16thMan on May 18, 2024 14:54:57 GMT
Heading for the train over, wonder what crowd they'll be today,15k?? Apparently 7,000 tickets only sold. 8,092 the official attendance. Has the feeling of a league game in March more than a Championship game. Unfortunate shame. Perhaps another thing the GAA need tonlook into.
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Post by gaaforlife on May 18, 2024 15:24:44 GMT
Poor enough second half sloppy I know game is won but
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Post by chicago09 on May 18, 2024 15:38:36 GMT
Will we ever score a goal
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Post by legendz on May 18, 2024 15:48:19 GMT
Will arrive into a quarter-final untested at this rate. Would have preferred to have an Armagh, Derry, Mayo or Tyrone in the group for more of a challenge.
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Post by kerryblueboy on May 18, 2024 15:56:41 GMT
Absolute waste of time this group only going to create bad habits and false impressions some great scores scored today but my god Monaghan stood off us so much it was shameful can’t believe we didn’t score a goal
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Post by dc84 on May 18, 2024 15:57:16 GMT
Waste of time of a game I won't comment on 2nd half as it doesn't really warrant it we were good in the first 10 when it was half a game nothing to see here move on !
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Post by The16thMan on May 18, 2024 15:57:31 GMT
1 goal in our last 6 games. Not good reading and we took our foot off the pedal in the 2nd half. I'd be very concerned about our lack of goal scoring threat. Sometimes lads are a bit too quick to tap over for the point instead of going for the jugular.
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Post by kerryblueboy on May 18, 2024 16:04:53 GMT
Job done and 2 points in the bag.Always in control but Monaghan won second half.We still have problems.We still have a tendency with sloppy passing and a few silly errors.Another worry is our lack of goals.Also David Clifford is still not going great.This is his 4th championship match in a row where he has not scored more than 2 points from play.Seanie Shea only 1 point from play.Also a bad mistake by Shane Ryan for the goal.Positives were Tom O Sullivan and Paul Murphy just brilliant.Jason very solid.Also Diarmuid O Connor was very good today and Tony B continues his good form.Paudie good bar getting caught in possession a few times but Paul Geaney was excellent today scoring 5 points from play.Cillian Burke looked good on his introduction.Disappointing attendance also today in perfect conditions.Now I can't say too much more about that as I admit I did nt travel today myself.Overall as I say it's job done and at least the other forwards stepping up. it’s an expensive day out for a lot of people to see no contest is very disappointing the county board shouldn’t have a full round of county league fixtures this weekend all moved to today because of the u20 game tomorrow which a lot of people will go to
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Post by patshamrock on May 18, 2024 16:20:26 GMT
Will we ever score a goal Seánie should have taken his own chance instead of passing it.
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Hicser
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Post by Hicser on May 18, 2024 17:12:54 GMT
I wasn't able to travel to match today and glad I didn't purchase GAA GO for this, sounds like a complete shambles. Hard to see us winning an All Ireland at this stage due to lack of goals. I hope I am wrong and things improve in Qtr Final. Maybe Louth might rattle us,
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Post by Kingdomson on May 18, 2024 17:24:38 GMT
We fulfilled the fixture and got a win but this game won't be in the highlight reel.
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Post by The16thMan on May 18, 2024 17:34:48 GMT
Surprising to see there is less people at the Galway vs Derry gane than the 8,000 that was in Killarney today. I thought that game would be close to a sell out. Must be a lack of appetite in general from supporters for these group games. I guess most supporters from the more successful counties (Kerry included), know it would take an almighty disaster for them not to finish in the top 3 of their groups so they wait for the knockout games before they start to attend games.
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Post by thepope on May 18, 2024 17:44:47 GMT
Job done today. Kerry looked good at times, I'd guess they had a very high conversion rate in the first half.
Defence looked very good at times, still gave up a couple of goal chances and Shane Ryan will be disappointed how he dealt with the high ball for Monaghan's goal. However we got to the ball in numbers at times and did well in turning ball over at times too.
Kerry will beat most of the teams from the chasing pack on scoring ability alone. Few of those teams can regularly hit 18+pts.
As regards our prospects for Sam? Who knows, I still think we'll be short of what's required.
Tony Brosnan and Paul Geaney looked good today but how will they fare against the best teams who operate with pacey, attacking wing-backs?
Still fluffing goal chances which is a major worry. Also the bunch-and-break tactic on kickouts is fine until a team lines up in zone on our kickout, it will be interesting to see how we adapt when we face that.
The atmosphere was fairly dull given the lack of competitiveness to this game. As a result we could hear most of what the players were saying to each other. I was happy to see David Clifford chewing a few fellas out over bad decisions on the ball. The players obviously expect high standards of themselves and are probably tougher on themselves than anything posters write here.
Onwards to the next group game. I don't see the current structure lasting long for championship and we're most likely looking at 3 uncompetitive group games. People will vote with their feet in staying away from a lot of these games in the future.
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Post by kingdomkerry on May 18, 2024 18:54:27 GMT
Job done. Game over after 20 minutes really. Wouldn't be too worried about not scoring goals. It's not like we are not creating the chances and alotbof it was just taking a point when you are up a bit and keeping the scoreboard ticking over.
Attendance nor great. 2 ways to fix this. Put the final back to September and introduce rule that you have to have at least 3 player in each half/65.
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Post by homerj on May 18, 2024 19:24:03 GMT
Job done. We need to arrive at a 1/4 as fresh and injury free as possible, so puzzled by this "tested" stuff people on about, those days are long gone.
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Post by paudief on May 18, 2024 20:03:14 GMT
Really good performance, yeah, Monaghan were way off the pace, but I thought the intensity and sharpness Kerry came out with, they would've put in a good performance against anyone. It was a pity the opposition didn't really test them. Monaghan went out early in Ulster, and hadn't played in 6 or 7 weeks, and I think this cost them.
The pace and movement of the Kerry attack was much improved over the league. That long-ball down the wing seemed to be working really. All 6 forwards had scored by half-time, which was great to see. They out-hustled and out-worked Monaghan, which was also encouraging.
Of course it's hard to read too much into it, because Monaghan were that poor. And when I talk about the game, I really just mean the first 25-30 mins, because it was over after that. But this is what good teams do, put weaker teams to the sword. I'm not getting carried away, but I am pleased with improvement in pace & dynamism of the attack. Hopefully this continues.
One slight concern for me is a lack of spark off the bench. They didn't need it today, but they may down the line. Kind of wondering if Killian Spillane ran over Jack O'Connor's dog at some stage, I don't understand his lack of involvement.
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Post by homerj on May 18, 2024 20:13:01 GMT
Re the crowd. When you see Mayo supporters aren't going to their home games and croke Park empty, then that tells you enough! After covid, going to games is no longer priority for people
You'd wonder are we better off playing our games in tralee and a full stadium like the league.
Despite this, we still may have the biggest attendance of the weekend and isn't that sad?
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Post by paudief on May 18, 2024 20:24:16 GMT
One slight concern for me is a lack of spark off the bench. They didn't need it today, but they may down the line. Kind of wondering if Killian Spillane ran over Jack O'Connor's dog at some stage, I don't understand his lack of involvement.
Actually I'll give an exception to Cillian Burke, who was good when he came on.
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Post by homerj on May 18, 2024 20:29:32 GMT
In fairness its hard enough for lads coming on when 12 points up and you are told just keep it tight etc.
Monaghan on the other hand are fighting for their lives.
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Post by veteran on May 18, 2024 21:46:31 GMT
The outstanding football display by a Kerry footballer today was given by Danielle O’Leary for the Kerry ladies against Cork. Full match available on the TG 4 streaming service.
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