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Post by homerj on Apr 29, 2024 16:21:50 GMT
i wonder what the reason is for the draws being done now? its ridiculous to have the finals not played when you can have 2 completely different paths depending on the draw
imagine if you are galway and mayo and the following happens - the loser gets Donegal, Roscommon and Westmeath but the winner gets Armagh, Derry and an away trip to Cork.
no disrespect to any teams but there certainly is a possibile to get better draws if you lose once you avoid Dublin
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Post by legendz on Apr 29, 2024 16:48:34 GMT
i wonder what the reason is for the draws being done now? its ridiculous to have the finals not played when you can have 2 completely different paths depending on the draw imagine if you are galway and mayo and the following happens - the loser gets Donegal, Roscommon and Westmeath but the winner gets Armagh, Derry and an away trip to Cork. no disrespect to any teams but there certainly is a possibile to get better draws if you lose once you avoid Dublin Word has it that the early draws are for logistics. I don't agree with it though. It detracts from the upcoming provincial finals and should be after the provincial championships are complete. It could be advantageous to lose a provincial final and avoid Derry! Provincial losers can't avoid Dublin however. Poor Sligo last year. |
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 29, 2024 17:33:30 GMT
i wonder what the reason is for the draws being done now? its ridiculous to have the finals not played when you can have 2 completely different paths depending on the draw imagine if you are galway and mayo and the following happens - the loser gets Donegal, Roscommon and Westmeath but the winner gets Armagh, Derry and an away trip to Cork. no disrespect to any teams but there certainly is a possibile to get better draws if you lose once you avoid Dublin Word has it that the early draws are for logistics. I don't agree with it though. It detracts from the upcoming provincial finals and should be after the provincial championships are complete. It could be advantageous to lose a provincial final and avoid Derry! Provincial losers can't avoid Dublin however. Poor Sligo last year. The Provincial finals are over two weekends - which is part of the problem. The Round 1 games for the Munster & Leinster winners are 18/19 May and Leinster & Ulster 25/26 May with Round 2 on 1/2 June for all and Round 3 15/16 June for all. This creates an uneven playing demand for sides which is all caused by the provincial finals being staggered over two weekends. With the compact schedule this uneven scheduling is unfair. Can only assume TV and the "need" to provide games every weekend for TV is the root cause. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 29, 2024 17:36:12 GMT
i wonder what the reason is for the draws being done now? its ridiculous to have the finals not played when you can have 2 completely different paths depending on the draw imagine if you are galway and mayo and the following happens - the loser gets Donegal, Roscommon and Westmeath but the winner gets Armagh, Derry and an away trip to Cork. no disrespect to any teams but there certainly is a possibile to get better draws if you lose once you avoid Dublin Word has it that the early draws are for logistics. I don't agree with it though. It detracts from the upcoming provincial finals and should be after the provincial championships are complete. It could be advantageous to lose a provincial final and avoid Derry! Provincial losers can't avoid Dublin however. Poor Sligo last year. It's a knock on effect of the condensed season. Traveling down on the 18th presuming the game is on a Saturday with my daughter and there is no accommodation in Killarney. I rang multiple BBs before I found anywhere. I sound like a broken record but it'll cause a lot of street fir Traveling fans if that game is on the Sat. |
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Post by hurlingman on Apr 30, 2024 5:59:28 GMT
Does the weekends result put and end to the myth of Kildare being a top tier team?
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 30, 2024 7:36:35 GMT
Does the weekends result put and end to the myth of Kildare being a top tier team? I like the use of the word myth, but in all honesty they have been on the slide a bit now, similar to Meath, although Kildare have had a few good underage sides last few years, none of the players as a batch made the breakthrough. In that regard, have the Leinster council to be made accountable in some shape or form, it's staggeringly imbalanced there, the gulf of class between Dublin and the rest is just insurmountable really. At least in Munster, Cork are coming, and Clare to a degree are making progress, nothing is changing in Leinster. But back to your initial question, there is only one top tier team in Leinster, and I don't see that changing for a while. |
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Post by thehermit on Apr 30, 2024 9:58:19 GMT
Nothing is changing and the lads that made their careers benefitting are content to tweet the likes of the below or have the neck to be paid thousands to come on the Sunday Game and tell us its up to Offaly or Meath to 'get their house in order' - none so blind as those who will not see.
At least the noise about it is getting louder eventually the GAA will be forced to do something, but they've won their AI's at this stage and robbed them from the likes of us
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 30, 2024 10:34:58 GMT
End of the day Hermit, is that eight to ten years ago, Dublin would sell out Croker for a first round Leinster game, regardless of opposition, this is no longer the case, even for a provisional final... when people vote with their feet and the coffers get lighter, there will be more notice taken at the top table,,
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Post by veteran on Apr 30, 2024 11:02:18 GMT
Dublin of course has a lot of advantages- financial might , overwhelming playing numbers and. playing their major games at home. One concession even the most belligerent begrudger should make is that they seem to spend their money wisely.
However , it needs to be stated that Dublin’s apparent advantages , while pivotal in the context of Leinster supremacy, have nothing to do with the pathetic displays of Meath and Kildare in the NFL. Meath marooned , forever it seems, in Division 2 , and Kildare shamefully relegated to division 3. What has the plight of these two counties in the NFL got to do with Dublin’s good fortune?
Not so long ago Kildare won an u20 title. The “dream management team “ was instituted at senior level. But still in the mire. The problem maybe closer to home.
Not that long ago when Meath was a powerhouse. When did they last play in division 1. A flourishing Dublin is not hindering them in that competition. What is? They won the Leinster u20 last night. Perhaps something is stirring.
If an individual or a larger entity is not progressing , look within initially for intrinsic weaknesses. Only then should you point the finger at an outside ogre.
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Post by ciarrai74 on Apr 30, 2024 11:28:30 GMT
The Money has helped Dublin become basically a professional outfit. I know money doesn't put the ball over the bar etc but it gives them those little advantages that all add up eventually. Dublin won't be beat in LEINSTER CHAMPIONSHIP anytime soon. Player's of other Leinster sides are Amateur as in fitness especially. Dublin always pull away and finish games stronger than most sides [Kerry included]. Tough to see a solution tbh.
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Post by hurlingman on Apr 30, 2024 12:07:50 GMT
Nothing is changing and the lads that made their careers benefitting are content to tweet the likes of the below or have the neck to be paid thousands to come on the Sunday Game and tell us its up to Offaly or Meath to 'get their house in order' - none so blind as those who will not see. At least the noise about it is getting louder eventually the GAA will be forced to do something, but they've won their AI's at this stage and robbed them from the likes of us Ironic coming from a man who played maybe two championship games outside of Croke Park. You'd wonder if the likes of him and Paul Flynn really believe the bs they come out with. |
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Post by hurlingman on Apr 30, 2024 12:09:30 GMT
Dublin of course has a lot of advantages- financial might , overwhelming playing numbers and. playing their major games at home. One concession even the most belligerent begrudger should make is that they seem to spend their money wisely. However , it needs to be stated that Dublin’s apparent advantages , while pivotal in the context of Leinster supremacy, have nothing to do with the pathetic displays of Meath and Kildare in the NFL. Meath marooned , forever it seems, in Division 2 , and Kildare shamefully relegated to division 3. What has the plight of these two counties in the NFL got to do with Dublin’s good fortune? Not so long ago Kildare won an u20 title. The “dream management team “ was instituted at senior level. But still in the mire. The problem maybe closer to home. Not that long ago when Meath was a powerhouse. When did they last play in division 1. A flourishing Dublin is not hindering them in that competition. What is? They won the Leinster u20 last night. Perhaps something is stirring. If an individual or a larger entity is not progressing , look within initially for intrinsic weaknesses. Only then should you point the finger at an outside ogre. Meath were in Div 1 in I think either 2019 or 2020 but only for a season I think. |
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 30, 2024 12:57:42 GMT
Dublin of course has a lot of advantages- financial might , overwhelming playing numbers and. playing their major games at home. One concession even the most belligerent begrudger should make is that they seem to spend their money wisely. However , it needs to be stated that Dublin’s apparent advantages , while pivotal in the context of Leinster supremacy, have nothing to do with the pathetic displays of Meath and Kildare in the NFL. Meath marooned , forever it seems, in Division 2 , and Kildare shamefully relegated to division 3. What has the plight of these two counties in the NFL got to do with Dublin’s good fortune? Not so long ago Kildare won an u20 title. The “dream management team “ was instituted at senior level. But still in the mire. The problem maybe closer to home. Not that long ago when Meath was a powerhouse. When did they last play in division 1. A flourishing Dublin is not hindering them in that competition. What is? They won the Leinster u20 last night. Perhaps something is stirring. If an individual or a larger entity is not progressing , look within initially for intrinsic weaknesses. Only then should you point the finger at an outside ogre. Meath were in Div 1 in I think either 2019 or 2020 but only for a season I think. They also gave Kerry a tight game for 2/3 of the game up in Navan in the super 8s in 2019. That was a decent Meath team and had a manager I rated highly in Andy McEntee |
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Post by thehermit on Apr 30, 2024 14:19:29 GMT
Ok so assuming this weekend's games go according to the bookies, we are in Group 4 with Louth (again), Monaghan and Meath.
Shouldn't be anything too stressful about those potential matches.
At least we didn't have to play Cork again.
Wouldn't fancy losing on Sunday though, then its us, Tyrone, Armagh/Donegal and Cork (again)
Group 1
Connacht winner, Ulster runner-up, Derry, Westmeath
Group 2
Leinster winner, Connacht runner-up, Roscommon, Cavan
Group 3
Ulster winner, Munster runner-up, Tyrone, Cork
Group 4
Munster winner, Leinster runner-up, Monaghan, Meath
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 30, 2024 14:20:07 GMT
Louth
Monaghan
Meath.
If we beat Clare
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Post by thehermit on Apr 30, 2024 14:23:02 GMT
Just remind me how that will go again, would it be Monaghan in Killarney first up, then Louth in Louth and Meath at a neutral venue, assuming weekend goes to plan?
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 30, 2024 14:27:17 GMT
Just remind me how that will go again, would it be Monaghan in Killarney first up, then Louth in Louth and Meath at a neutral venue, assuming weekend goes to plan? No, Meath in Navan and Louth in probably Portlaoise again. |
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 30, 2024 14:28:16 GMT
Huge incentive for both teams in the Munster final.
Win and you have Louth (apologies to them for being presumptive), Monaghan and Meath
Lose and you have Ulster winners, Tyrone and Cork
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 30, 2024 14:28:26 GMT
Disappointing group from a Kerry point of view. If results go as expected our next 4 games are Clare, Monaghan, Meath & Louth. Not 1 Division 1 team. Not the most exciting of games and probably be very small attendances. Kerry would nearly be better off losing Munster final.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 30, 2024 14:54:32 GMT
Call a spade a spade.. A rubbish group.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 30, 2024 15:11:57 GMT
Call a spade a spade.. A rubbish group. Not 1 D1 team in the group.. atleast ill have a trip to Navan. |
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Post by veteran on Apr 30, 2024 15:18:00 GMT
I have learned a long time ago that one should be careful what you wish for. Accordingly, I had no desire to be drawn in a “strong” group. Therefore , I am happy out with our group.
We know what we are capable of individually and as a team. We have the firepower. If the management can devise an appropriate, positive strategy that is suitable for our players then we will be capable of giving cheek to anybody.
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 30, 2024 15:23:17 GMT
Louth Monaghan Meath. If we beat Clare Gee  |
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 30, 2024 16:01:24 GMT
Call a spade a spade.. A rubbish group. Not 1 D1 team in the group.. atleast ill have a trip to Navan. I thought Meath want their players to gain experience in Croke Park 🤔 |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 30, 2024 16:49:46 GMT
Not 1 D1 team in the group.. atleast ill have a trip to Navan. I thought Meath want their players to gain experience in Croke Park 🤔 I think they got enough experience a few weeks back ! |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 30, 2024 16:51:20 GMT
I have learned a long time ago that one should be careful what you wish for. Accordingly, I had no desire to be drawn in a “strong” group. Therefore , I am happy out with our group. We know what we are capable of individually and as a team. We have the firepower. If the management can devise an appropriate, positive strategy that is suitable for our players then we will be capable of giving cheek to anybody. That's true Vet but life is about the journey aswell and beating D2 teams by double scores is not that appealing to me. Or beneficial to Kerry. |
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Post by legendz on Apr 30, 2024 17:53:33 GMT
Not to go on but Seeds 2, 3 and 4 should be based on the league, with the draw after the provincial finals:
1) Dublin, Kerry, Mayo/Galway, Donegal/Armagh.
2) Derry, Tyrone, Galway/Mayo, Armagh/Donegal.
3) Roscommon, Monaghan, Cavan, Cork.
4) Meath, Louth, Westmeath, Clare.
The above would have more balanced groups. Kerry won't learn a lot before the quarter-finals from playing Division 2 opponents.
Alternative groups from the above seeding:
G1. Mayo/Galway, Derry, Cavan, Westmeath.
G2. Dublin, Galway/Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan.
G3. Donegal/Armagh, Tyrone, Cork , Clare.
G4. Kerry, Armagh/Donegal, Monaghan, Louth.
Admittedly Kerry are still in with Division 2 finalists!! :-D It can't be entirely avoided with two up and down during the league. The groups are more balanced though.
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Post by dubaigaa2022 on Apr 30, 2024 19:34:08 GMT
The real football will start after the group games - none of the big boys will be under pressure ..
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Post by thehermit on Apr 30, 2024 21:27:24 GMT
I have learned a long time ago that one should be careful what you wish for. Accordingly, I had no desire to be drawn in a “strong” group. Therefore , I am happy out with our group. We know what we are capable of individually and as a team. We have the firepower. If the management can devise an appropriate, positive strategy that is suitable for our players then we will be capable of giving cheek to anybody. That's true Vet but life is about the journey aswell and beating D2 teams by double scores is not that appealing to me. Or beneficial to Kerry. Yep nothing much to get the pulse racing if it comes to pass. |
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Post by kerryexile5 on Apr 30, 2024 22:03:39 GMT
Kerry will get no test in that group.
Dublin bet Meath by 16pts in Leinster, Meath gave up with 15mins to go.
Monaghan lost to Cavan and were very poor.
We hockeyed Louth by 28pts 12 months ago.
But it is what it is and it’s a chance to use the 4 weeks to get game time into squad players and players returning from injury and also work towards a settled 15 for the bigger tests that lie ahead.
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