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Post by dc84 on Apr 21, 2024 10:20:34 GMT
The way Harte left Louth for Derry I was pleased to see that result. What's the odds it's Kerry v Derry in Killarney in 4 weeks. What way do the lower seedings work ie what makes you a 3 or 4th seed league position or provincial semis? If its derry we would need a marked improvement on yesterday as would they by the way their defence was cut apart yesterday conceding 4 goals in a championship game is a real system failure |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 21, 2024 10:58:31 GMT
The way Harte left Louth for Derry I was pleased to see that result. What's the odds it's Kerry v Derry in Killarney in 4 weeks. What way do the lower seedings work ie what makes you a 3 or 4th seed league position or provincial semis? If its derry we would need a marked improvement on yesterday as would they by the way their defence was cut apart yesterday conceding 4 goals in a championship game is a real system failure Beaten provincial finalists are seed 2 and after that I have no idea ! |
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Post by blacksheep21 on Apr 21, 2024 11:07:26 GMT
Based on league placing for seeds 3 and 4. Not sure about Meath but think they will be 4
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Post by clarinman on Apr 21, 2024 11:07:51 GMT
What way do the lower seedings work ie what makes you a 3 or 4th seed league position or provincial semis? If its derry we would need a marked improvement on yesterday as would they by the way their defence was cut apart yesterday conceding 4 goals in a championship game is a real system failure Beaten provincial finalists are seed 2 and after that I have no idea ! Seeds 3 and 4 are based on league position. Derry guaranteed to be seeded 3 and will be away to a number 1 seed in round 1 of the round robin. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 21, 2024 11:18:53 GMT
Beaten provincial finalists are seed 2 and after that I have no idea ! Seeds 3 and 4 are based on league position. Derry guaranteed to be seeded 3 and will be away to a number 1 seed in round 1 of the round robin. Kerry v Derry mark my words! |
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 21, 2024 11:29:42 GMT
At the moment it looks like the following: Obviously will change depending on who does/doesn't reach & win the Provincial Finals.
This is purely speculative on the following Provincial finals
Kerry v Clare (already confirmed)
Dublin to win Leinster
Mayo v Galway
Donegal v Armagh.
Obviously Ulster & Connacht might not play out that way but just for speculative purposes to make up the seedings.
1st Seeds:
Kerry
Dublin
Galway/Mayo
Donegal/Armagh
2nd Seeds
Clare
Kildare/Louth
Galway/Mayo
Donegal/Armagh
3rd Seeds
Derry
Tyrone (Unless They reach Ulster final)
Roscommon
Monaghan
4th Seeds:
Cavan
Cork
Meath
Westmeath/Louth
(If Kildare beat Louth, Westmeath will enter Tailteann Cup and Louth as a 4th seed. If Louth beat Kildare, Westmeath will be in Sam and Kildare into Tailteann.)
Based on these seedings, the toughest group would probably look like for Kerry (just my opinion):
Kerry
Loser of Ulster
Derry
Cavan
If it did play out like this it would possibly be.
Round 1 Kerry vs Derry in Killarney
Round 2 Kerry vs Cavan in Kingspan Breffni
Round 3 Kerry vs Donegal/ Armagh in Portlaoise or some other neutral venue.
3 tasty enough fixtures and a challenge to finish top.
But as said could be nothing like how I've mentioned but we'll have to wait and see.
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Post by dc84 on Apr 21, 2024 15:07:27 GMT
Mayo or Rossies will win out west you would think galway really struggling at the moment
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 27, 2024 22:59:06 GMT
What is the story with regard to who can or cannot be in the same groups when the draw is made for the 4 groups - each group will be headed by a provincial champion - what are the rules beyond this.
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Post by Aodhan on Apr 28, 2024 2:20:41 GMT
What is the story with regard to who can or cannot be in the same groups when the draw is made for the 4 groups - each group will be headed by a provincial champion - what are the rules beyond this. Second seeds are provincial losing finalists. Seeds three and four based on League positions. Meath are a four seed. Those who already played against each other cannot be in the same group if at all possible. Cork and Kerry cannot be in the same group. |
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Post by legendz on Apr 28, 2024 14:47:24 GMT
What is the story with regard to who can or cannot be in the same groups when the draw is made for the 4 groups - each group will be headed by a provincial champion - what are the rules beyond this. Second seeds are provincial losing finalists. Seeds three and four based on League positions. Meath are a four seed. Those who already played against each other cannot be in the same group if at all possible. Cork and Kerry cannot be in the same group. Not sure about that one. I think it's only provincial finalists who are kept apart. Derry beat Monaghan in the Ulster semi-final last year but both were drawn in the same All-Ireland group. Same with Dublin and Kildare last year. Kildare are in the Tailteann Cup. Probably going to follow in the foot steps of Westmeath and Meath. |
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 28, 2024 15:50:47 GMT
Looks like the 16 teams competing for Sam will be
8 Provincial Finalists (Pots 1 & 2 depending on results)
Donegal V Armagh
Clare V Kerry
Dublin V Louth
Mayo V Galway
Pot 3
Derry, Tyrone, Roscommon, Monaghan
Pot 4
Cavan, Cork, Down, Meath
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Post by ballhopper34 on Apr 28, 2024 17:32:33 GMT
Looks like the 16 teams competing for Sam will be 8 Provincial Finalists (Pots 1 & 2 depending on results) Donegal V Armagh Clare V Kerry Dublin V Louth Mayo V Galway Pot 3 Derry, Tyrone, Roscommon, Monaghan Pot 4 Cavan, Cork, Down, Meath Your Pot 4 is incorrect...Down are in the Tailteann Cup and Westmeath are in Pot 4. All because Westmeath beat Down in the div 3 final. |
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Post by kerryexile on Apr 28, 2024 17:43:27 GMT
Looks like the 16 teams competing for Sam will be 8 Provincial Finalists (Pots 1 & 2 depending on results) Donegal V Armagh Clare V Kerry Dublin V Louth Mayo V Galway Pot 3 Derry, Tyrone, Roscommon, Monaghan Pot 4 Cavan, Cork, Down, Meath Thanks for that Onlykerry. That clarifies a lot. Apart from Derry who are a minor threat, there is nothing to worry about in Pots 3 & 4. Probably the best provincial runner up will be from Connacht. The16thMan also gave a very good road map earlier. |
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 28, 2024 18:34:26 GMT
It's only provincial finalists that are kept apart at the group stage. i.e Kerry and Clare will be in different groups but either of them could be in a group with Cork.
[Each Group shall consist of one team from each of the seeded classifications in (a) to (d) above.
Teams who have already met in that year’s provincial final cannot be drawn to the same group.]
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Post by ballhopper34 on Apr 28, 2024 18:39:33 GMT
Looks like the 16 teams competing for Sam will be 8 Provincial Finalists (Pots 1 & 2 depending on results) Donegal V Armagh Clare V Kerry Dublin V Louth Mayo V Galway Pot 3 Derry, Tyrone, Roscommon, Monaghan Pot 4 Cavan, Cork, Down, Meath Thanks for that Onlykerry. That clarifies a lot. Apart from Derry who are a minor threat, there is nothing to worry about in Pots 3 & 4. Probably the best provincial runner up will be from Connacht. The16thMan also gave a very good road map earlier. Westmeath in Pot 4...not Down |
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Post by legendz on Apr 28, 2024 18:47:11 GMT
The second year in a row that the league winners are Seed 3. Sligo beat London and New York last year to be Seed 2, while Mayo were Seed 3! Clare 3rd in Division 3 have beaten Waterford, who finished 8th in Division 4, to take at least a Seed 2 place above Derry!
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 28, 2024 18:58:26 GMT
The second year in a row that the league winners are Seed 3. Sligo beat London and New York last year to be Seed 2, while Mayo were Seed 3! Clare 3rd in Division 3 have beaten Waterford, who finished 8th in Division 4, to take at least a Seed 2 place above Derry! An unfortunate side effect of the power of the provincial councils. The reward for just getting to a provincial final is too high. |
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Post by dc84 on Apr 28, 2024 19:16:55 GMT
The 2nd seeds are weak enough if it goes as expected, galway are struggling badly and armagh would find it tough if they lose out again clare and louth are limited enough teams.
What would a bad draw look like (assuming we beat clare) donegal , derry cork can we get them ?
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Post by homerj on Apr 28, 2024 19:34:01 GMT
No we can't get cork and donegal and Derry can't be in same group.
Armagh Derry cavan would be the worst group you'd imagine.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Apr 28, 2024 19:44:15 GMT
No we can't get cork and donegal and Derry can't be in same group. Armagh Derry cavan would be the worst group you'd imagine. From the gaa.ie site: Teams who are due to meet in a Provincial Final (seeds 1 and 2) cannot be in the same group. However, teams who have already played each other earlier in this year’s championships can be drawn to the same groups. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 28, 2024 19:49:51 GMT
No we can't get cork and donegal and Derry can't be in same group. Armagh Derry cavan would be the worst group you'd imagine. From the gaa.ie site: Teams who are due to meet in a Provincial Final (seeds 1 and 2) cannot be in the same group. However, teams who have already played each other earlier in this year’s championships can be drawn to the same groups. I thought the only team we couldn't get was Clare. Hope we avoid Cork..not because we can't beat them but God help me it's boring at this stage. |
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 28, 2024 20:11:34 GMT
Thanks for that Onlykerry. That clarifies a lot. Apart from Derry who are a minor threat, there is nothing to worry about in Pots 3 & 4. Probably the best provincial runner up will be from Connacht. The16thMan also gave a very good road map earlier. Westmeath in Pot 4...not Down Your correct - I had Down at 15 and Westmeath as 16 - should be other way around as Westmeath leapfrogged Down by winning Division 3 league final |
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Post by legendz on Apr 28, 2024 21:11:49 GMT
The 2nd seeds are weak enough if it goes as expected, galway are struggling badly and armagh would find it tough if they lose out again clare and louth are limited enough teams. What would a bad draw look like (assuming we beat clare) donegal , derry cork can we get them ? That probably would be the bad draw: Donegal or Armagh, Derry and Cork but Cavan had the better league. A less challenging draw would be Louth, Roscommon or Monaghan and Westmeath. |
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Post by homerj on Apr 28, 2024 21:26:58 GMT
No we can't get cork and donegal and Derry can't be in same group. Armagh Derry cavan would be the worst group you'd imagine. From the gaa.ie site: Teams who are due to meet in a Provincial Final (seeds 1 and 2) cannot be in the same group. However, teams who have already played each other earlier in this year’s championships can be drawn to the same groups. That's bonkers. You could end up with teams playing the same team 2 games in a row so. |
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Post by exiled on Apr 28, 2024 21:34:52 GMT
From the gaa.ie site: Teams who are due to meet in a Provincial Final (seeds 1 and 2) cannot be in the same group. However, teams who have already played each other earlier in this year’s championships can be drawn to the same groups. That's bonkers. You could end up with teams playing the same team 2 games in a row so. Maybe but I can assure you that won't happen. They will ensure that won't happen. |
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 28, 2024 21:59:05 GMT
Seeds now more or less confirmed, only thing left to confirm is which team from Provincial finals go into seed 1 and who goes into seed 2.
This is purely speculative on the following Provincial finals
Kerry to win Munster
Dublin to win Leinster
Mayo v Galway
Donegal v Armagh.
Obviously Ulster & Connacht should be tight enough finals so I didn't guess them but the seedings are now confirmed as follows
1st Seeds:
Kerry
Dublin
Galway/Mayo winners
Donegal/Armagh winners
2nd Seeds
Clare
Louth
Galway/Mayo losers
Donegal/Armagh losers
3rd Seeds
Derry
Tyrone
Roscommon
Monaghan
4th Seeds:
Cavan
Cork
Meath
Westmeath
Based on these seedings, the toughest group would probably look like for Kerry (just my opinion):
Kerry
Loser of Ulster/Connacht finals.
Derry
Cavan
If it did play out like this it would possibly be.
Round 1 Kerry vs Derry in Killarney
Round 2 Kerry vs Cavan in Kingspan Breffni or maybe Cork in PUC.
Round 3 Kerry vs Ulster/Connacht loser in Portlaoise/Limerick or some other neutral venue.
Potential for tasty enough fixtures and a tough challenge to finish top. Kerry are better off getting as tough a group as possible as it would stand to us come the knockout phase. It will make the draw on Tuesday at 3pm very interesting.
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Post by glengael on Apr 29, 2024 9:53:26 GMT
I only caught a quick look (on Sports bulletin) of that point which brought Donegal/Tyrone to extra time but in the lead up to it, it seemed to me that a Donegal player took an awful lot of steps with impunity. I must look at it again as I didn't get a chance to see TSG last night.
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Post by augustafield on Apr 29, 2024 11:20:55 GMT
Steps are not counted - totally ignored.
Frustration at the breach of the rule is to be endured
to the point of acceptance . It must be so dispiriting
for the players as appealing to the referee is pointless.
The rule should be deleted .
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Apr 29, 2024 12:57:26 GMT
Dgal v Tyrone was like soccer with that guarding the D, the thing is it was exciting but would be even more so if traditional football was played as they were evenly matched. I'd say the fly goalie is here to stay as the extra man gives a big advantage with the piggy in the middle.
Goalies will go from not having to be fit to sprint training.
I bet 'kick fada' will also be practiced and there will be a lot of freak events here as new things are tried out.
Funny how the game is evolving.
A few GAA supporters believe the demands even at club level have a lot of lads retiring early and modern life styles won't help, what with even people on decent money finding things a bit tight. I dread to think what it would be like if the economy slowed and bearing in mind we are hyper sensitive to global markets so we don't have a lot of control here.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 29, 2024 13:19:40 GMT
Seeds now more or less confirmed, only thing left to confirm is which team from Provincial finals go into seed 1 and who goes into seed 2. This is purely speculative on the following Provincial finals Kerry to win Munster Dublin to win Leinster Mayo v Galway Donegal v Armagh. Obviously Ulster & Connacht should be tight enough finals so I didn't guess them but the seedings are now confirmed as follows 1st Seeds: Kerry Dublin Galway/Mayo winners Donegal/Armagh winners 2nd Seeds Clare Louth Galway/Mayo losers Donegal/Armagh losers 3rd Seeds Derry Tyrone Roscommon Monaghan 4th Seeds: Cavan Cork Meath Westmeath Based on these seedings, the toughest group would probably look like for Kerry (just my opinion): Kerry Loser of Ulster/Connacht finals. Derry Cavan If it did play out like this it would possibly be. Round 1 Kerry vs Derry in Killarney Round 2 Kerry vs Cavan in Kingspan Breffni or maybe Cork in PUC. Round 3 Kerry vs Ulster/Connacht loser in Portlaoise/Limerick or some other neutral venue. Potential for tasty enough fixtures and a tough challenge to finish top. Kerry are better off getting as tough a group as possible as it would stand to us come the knockout phase. It will make the draw on Tuesday at 3pm very interesting. Munster and Leinster finals yet to be played but while it is likely you are correct, you shouldn't disrespect the opposition and give them ammunition. Clare are always awkward in Ennis so don't expect a repeat of last year's final. I understand your qualifier comment but there is no need to show Clare as a second seed. |
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