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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 14, 2024 21:01:54 GMT
Could Bugler's goal be a championship record for the number of steps allowed? I make it 12. Possibly being fouled can't be used to justify this. Ridiculous. Funny no mention of it on SG |
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Post by thehermit on Apr 14, 2024 21:34:57 GMT
Could Bugler's goal be a championship record for the number of steps allowed? I make it 12. Possibly being fouled can't be used to justify this. Ridiculous. Funny no mention of it on SG Can't pee off the only people who would have bothered to tune into the game! |
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Post by legendz on Apr 14, 2024 21:45:06 GMT
Dublin putting out their B team for Meath tells you everything you need to know about the state of football in Leinster Fitzmaurice is probably right about having the provincial championships before the league. The league is a better balanced competition with teams of a similar level. Kildare have an outside chance anyway of getting to a Leinster final. Will be tough on Westmeath if they do. Down's showing against Antrim doesn't suggest they'll trouble Armagh too much. Three provinces could have the same finals as last year. Connacht without a lopsided draw this year should have a good final. I know Clare, Limerick, Tipperary and Waterford wanted the current Munster seeding but Munster GAA should renegotiate it. If Kerry and our traditional rivals are top two after the league, the Munster draw should use league seeding for the draw. |
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Post by pipsqueak01 on Apr 14, 2024 22:49:24 GMT
Could Bugler's goal be a championship record for the number of steps allowed? I make it 12. Possibly being fouled can't be used to justify this. Ridiculous. Couldn’t agree more. There’s a perception that if you are being fouled you can have more steps. The advantage rule still means you have to play legitimately. You can’t throw the ball into the net, or hop twice if being fouled so why could you take more steps. If you do then it’s a free in/penalty, not play on advantage |
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Post by john4 on Apr 15, 2024 8:38:46 GMT
Dublin putting out their B team for Meath tells you everything you need to know about the state of football in Leinster Fitzmaurice is probably right about having the provincial championships before the league. The league is a better balanced competition with teams of a similar level. Kildare have an outside chance anyway of getting to a Leinster final. Will be tough on Westmeath if they do. Down's showing against Antrim doesn't suggest they'll trouble Armagh too much. Three provinces could have the same finals as last year. Connacht without a lopsided draw this year should have a good final. I know Clare, Limerick, Tipperary and Waterford wanted the current Munster seeding but Munster GAA should renegotiate it. If Kerry and our traditional rivals are top two after the league, the Munster draw should use league seeding for the draw. An argument could be used as to why the Munster football championship is so poor on the basis that 5 of the counties are unashamedly self-professed hurling counties. Bar Cork, I'd say the OFFICIALS from the other 5 counties would prefer if it didn't even exist!!!, The players I'd imagine would like the prospect of being tested v Kerry but I wonder are they denied the games promotion and development, coaching resources etc. etc. to give them the best chance. The Leinster counties of Meath, Kildare, Louth etc. Who have a long and proud history of being serious football counties have absolutely no excuse whatsoever for allowing their county teams to decline in the last 10/15 years. I'd say the vast majority of the funds go towards their county football teams. We all know the advantages that Dublin have but notwithstanding that, Meath were atrocious yesterday for a so called football county. I'd question the ambition of the Meath players. It's not what it should be or what their history would expect of them As an example, Bugler carried the ball from Mountjoy Sq to Dromcondra for the goal and not 1 Meath player took it up with the ref. Fellas have to show metal when playing Dublin |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 15, 2024 8:56:53 GMT
Fitzmaurice is probably right about having the provincial championships before the league. The league is a better balanced competition with teams of a similar level. Kildare have an outside chance anyway of getting to a Leinster final. Will be tough on Westmeath if they do. Down's showing against Antrim doesn't suggest they'll trouble Armagh too much. Three provinces could have the same finals as last year. Connacht without a lopsided draw this year should have a good final. I know Clare, Limerick, Tipperary and Waterford wanted the current Munster seeding but Munster GAA should renegotiate it. If Kerry and our traditional rivals are top two after the league, the Munster draw should use league seeding for the draw. An argument could be used as to why the Munster football championship is so poor on the basis that 5 of the counties are unashamedly self-professed hurling counties. Bar Cork, I'd say the OFFICIALS from the other 5 counties would prefer if it didn't even exist!!!, The players I'd imagine would like the prospect of being tested v Kerry but I wonder are they denied the games promotion and development, coaching resources etc. etc. to give them the best chance. The Leinster counties of Meath, Kildare, Louth etc. Who have a long and proud history of being serious football counties have absolutely no excuse whatsoever for allowing their county teams to decline in the last 10/15 years. I'd say the vast majority of the funds go towards their county football teams. We all know the advantages that Dublin have but notwithstanding that, Meath were atrocious yesterday for a so called football county. I'd question the ambition of the Meath players. It's not what it should be or what their history would expect of them As an example, Bugler carried the ball from Mountjoy Sq to Dromcondra for the goal and not 1 Meath player took it up with the ref. Fellas have to show metal when playing Dublin Far be it for me to defend Meath football as there are lots of issues in the county to address. However there is a physiological barrier now with Meath when they play Dublin. Look how sloppy Dublin were in that first half because they knew that their A v B games are more challenging than facing Meath. The hope would be that underage teams would start beating Dublin regularly and hold no fear once they graduate to senior. You literally need everything to go your way on the day to beat Dublin and having a ref that can see a lad over carrying the ball is a basic thing you'd expect. The other talking point was there were more seagulls than supporters yesterday and if the GAA are to recognise anything its the loss of revenue. People don't want to see these games anymore. |
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Apr 15, 2024 13:55:23 GMT
I always felt provincial finals were sacred but with such a variance in standards and the frequency of dead rubbers I think we may need to bite the bullet here.
Can we honestly rule out the Dubs having a permanent grip on Sam?
Should Dublin be split?
It is damage limitation here and there is no perfect solution.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 15, 2024 18:51:11 GMT
www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/former-gaa-president-sean-kelly-23465067This is the reason why the Leinster (and at times the All-Ireland series) is embarrassingly one sided. Insert additional absurd funding with no end date and never release the details of the trial funding. Why hasn't this been replicated for Division 4 teams. The black eye is Kerry's for damaging the game. The aim should have been bringing Division 4 teams closer to Division 1 teams, not creating a gap between Division 1 teams.
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Post by legendz on Apr 15, 2024 21:00:16 GMT
I always felt provincial finals were sacred but with such a variance in standards and the frequency of dead rubbers I think we may need to bite the bullet here. Can we honestly rule out the Dubs having a permanent grip on Sam? Should Dublin be split? It is damage limitation here and there is no perfect solution. Provincial finals are some sacred cows when Sligo just had to beat London and New York to make a provincial final last year. Clare finished 3rd in Division 3 but only have to play Waterford, which will deny Down who were runners-up in Division 3 an All-Ireland spot. |
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Apr 15, 2024 21:50:40 GMT
I always felt provincial finals were sacred but with such a variance in standards and the frequency of dead rubbers I think we may need to bite the bullet here. Can we honestly rule out the Dubs having a permanent grip on Sam? Should Dublin be split? It is damage limitation here and there is no perfect solution. Provincial finals are some sacred cows when Sligo just had to beat London and New York to make a provincial final last year. Clare finished 3rd in Division 3 but only have to play Waterford, which will deny Down who were runners-up in Division 3 an All-Ireland spot. If I didn't know better I'd think you were disagreeing with me! Thurles, Clones, Castlebar, ASP, Fitzgerald Stadium, etc hosted local derby Provincial Finals that were sacred events, unfortunately there is now such a gap between teams that this might be lost if that structure has to be abandoned. Because GAA is still geography based that local edge is part of what makes it what it is. I had a notion that we could keep Provincial Finals by having say 4 All Ireland Championship competitions with the first 8 knocked out geing grouped together, and so forth. As for the final 8, i.e. 4 x 2 provincial finalists, maybe we could return to a knock out - now that's what you'd call local edge. Yip, there are options and I have yet to hear a valid argument against such a format. |
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Post by kot on Apr 16, 2024 13:50:19 GMT
I always felt provincial finals were sacred but with such a variance in standards and the frequency of dead rubbers I think we may need to bite the bullet here. Can we honestly rule out the Dubs having a permanent grip on Sam? Should Dublin be split? It is damage limitation here and there is no perfect solution. Provincial finals are some sacred cows when Sligo just had to beat London and New York to make a provincial final last year. Clare finished 3rd in Division 3 but only have to play Waterford, which will deny Down who were runners-up in Division 3 an All-Ireland spot. On a side note / question, IF we beat Cork on Saturday afternoon and assuming Clare dispatch of Waterford. Am I correct to say the final is on in Limerick? Given the weekend it is falling, I would certainly hope so. Killarney during rally weekend and a barrage of boy racers in every public house would be a nightmare! Fantastic logistical planning again by the GAA..... the sacred provincial finals they are insisting on keeping lumped into the first summer bank holiday of the year! |
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Post by sydneyswan on Apr 16, 2024 14:16:33 GMT
Provincial finals are some sacred cows when Sligo just had to beat London and New York to make a provincial final last year. Clare finished 3rd in Division 3 but only have to play Waterford, which will deny Down who were runners-up in Division 3 an All-Ireland spot. On a side note / question, IF we beat Cork on Saturday afternoon and assuming Clare dispatch of Waterford. Am I correct to say the final is on in Limerick? Given the weekend it is falling, I would certainly hope so. Killarney during rally weekend and a barrage of boy racers in every public house would be a nightmare! Fantastic logistical planning again by the GAA..... the sacred provincial finals they are insisting on keeping lumped into the first summer bank holiday of the year! Kerry & Clare have a home and away agreement in place EXCEPT for finals which are in neutral venue (Limerick in 1992 (How could we ever forget !) & 1997. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 16, 2024 14:22:49 GMT
On a side note / question, IF we beat Cork on Saturday afternoon and assuming Clare dispatch of Waterford. Am I correct to say the final is on in Limerick? Given the weekend it is falling, I would certainly hope so. Killarney during rally weekend and a barrage of boy racers in every public house would be a nightmare! Fantastic logistical planning again by the GAA..... the sacred provincial finals they are insisting on keeping lumped into the first summer bank holiday of the year! Kerry & Clare have a home and away agreement in place EXCEPT for finals which are in neutral venue (Limerick in 1992 (How could we ever forget !) & 1997. 2000 as well, if my memory is still in tact.. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 16, 2024 16:36:15 GMT
Kerry & Clare have a home and away agreement in place EXCEPT for finals which are in neutral venue (Limerick in 1992 (How could we ever forget !) & 1997. 2000 as well, if my memory is still in tact.. And last year. |
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Post by legendz on Apr 16, 2024 20:25:21 GMT
Provincial finals are some sacred cows when Sligo just had to beat London and New York to make a provincial final last year. Clare finished 3rd in Division 3 but only have to play Waterford, which will deny Down who were runners-up in Division 3 an All-Ireland spot. On a side note / question, IF we beat Cork on Saturday afternoon and assuming Clare dispatch of Waterford. Am I correct to say the final is on in Limerick? Given the weekend it is falling, I would certainly hope so. Killarney during rally weekend and a barrage of boy racers in every public house would be a nightmare! Fantastic logistical planning again by the GAA..... the sacred provincial finals they are insisting on keeping lumped into the first summer bank holiday of the year! Clare tried to get last year's Munster final to Ennis. Didn't hear if there was an agreement for the home/away arrangement to extend to finals in future. Ennis isn't really fit for Munster finals. |
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Post by legendz on Apr 16, 2024 20:29:55 GMT
Provincial finals are some sacred cows when Sligo just had to beat London and New York to make a provincial final last year. Clare finished 3rd in Division 3 but only have to play Waterford, which will deny Down who were runners-up in Division 3 an All-Ireland spot. If I didn't know better I'd think you were disagreeing with me! Thurles, Clones, Castlebar, ASP, Fitzgerald Stadium, etc hosted local derby Provincial Finals that were sacred events, unfortunately there is now such a gap between teams that this might be lost if that structure has to be abandoned. Because GAA is still geography based that local edge is part of what makes it what it is. I had a notion that we could keep Provincial Finals by having say 4 All Ireland Championship competitions with the first 8 knocked out geing grouped together, and so forth. As for the final 8, i.e. 4 x 2 provincial finalists, maybe we could return to a knock out - now that's what you'd call local edge. Yip, there are options and I have yet to hear a valid argument against such a format. I'd be a traditionalist in favour of provincial championships but I would agree with Fitzmaurice about running the provincial championships before the league. Division 1 is a higher level than any of the provincial championships. Lower league counties are probably better of playing higher league counties before the league. Time will tell what the winds of change will bring. Jarlath Burns is suggesting All-Ireland finals could return to September but all county boards will have to have their master fixtures in line with the national master fixtures. |
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Post by ballhopper34 on Apr 16, 2024 21:49:36 GMT
How about playing 2 rounds of the league first.
Then play the provincials up to and including semi-final stage.
Then finish the league (5 rounds) and the finals.
Then 2 week break to Provincial Finals.
Another two week break to Group stage.
Wouldn't mean much to Kerry with a bye to the Munster semi-final in the current format, but maybe change the Munster championship format as well.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Apr 17, 2024 8:06:28 GMT
I would move the provincials so they have to be completed by end of Feb. Then a 2 week gap to the league. One gap week in the middle of the league with no final.
Top 16 from div 1 and 2 go into 4 groups of 4 for the all Ireland series.
Div 3 and four go into tailteann groups.
Groups are seeded but and open draw. So 1 team from top 4 in div 1, 1 from bottom 4 in div one. 1 from top 4 div 2 and one from bottom 4 in div 2.
Top 2 progress to quarters in croke park. Winners group a v runners up group b etc.
So including the league and all Ireland series it would take 13 games. Add in a free week in the middle of the league. A free fortnight between league and group stages. A free week between quarters and end of groups. And a free fortnight between semi and final. Should take 20 weeks max to play which is five months. Start first week in march and end on the August bank holiday weekend.
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 17, 2024 8:06:41 GMT
On a side note / question, IF we beat Cork on Saturday afternoon and assuming Clare dispatch of Waterford. Am I correct to say the final is on in Limerick? Given the weekend it is falling, I would certainly hope so. Killarney during rally weekend and a barrage of boy racers in every public house would be a nightmare! Fantastic logistical planning again by the GAA..... the sacred provincial finals they are insisting on keeping lumped into the first summer bank holiday of the year! Clare tried to get last year's Munster final to Ennis. Didn't hear if there was an agreement for the home/away arrangement to extend to finals in future. Ennis isn't really fit for Munster finals.Considering the small crowds, I think Ennis would be ideal if it was a Kerry and Clare Final. I was in Limerick last year and to be fair it could have been held at a top tier club ground... The Gaa have to face up to the fact that crowds are down, the money isn't there and people are just waiting for the All Ireland Series. Its Wednesday, we are playing our oldest rivals, at home in a Munster Semi Final, and no buzz or talk, no build up... there would be more interest in a county club game.... |
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 17, 2024 8:59:39 GMT
I believe the lack of interest in the game with Cork is because there is minimal peril in it - we are expected to win and even if we lose its not seen as being a major issue as we are guaranteed our place in the senior championship.
Knockout football brings excitement. Round robins can throw up the occasional big game. In reality there are so few top teams the edge is gone from the football scene until we get to the latter stages of the competition. The calendar is packed with meaningless games which we can follow from the comfort of our own homes at a fraction of the cost while we flick between all the other sporting events on channel after channel - the incentive to go to games is dwindling.
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Post by kot on Apr 17, 2024 8:59:41 GMT
Clare tried to get last year's Munster final to Ennis. Didn't hear if there was an agreement for the home/away arrangement to extend to finals in future. Ennis isn't really fit for Munster finals.Considering the small crowds, I think Ennis would be ideal if it was a Kerry and Clare Final. I was in Limerick last year and to be fair it could have been held at a top tier club ground... The Gaa have to face up to the fact that crowds are down, the money isn't there and people are just waiting for the All Ireland Series. Its Wednesday, we are playing our oldest rivals, at home in a Munster Semi Final, and no buzz or talk, no build up... there would be more interest in a county club game.... It's shocking how little buzz at all there is about it. First championship game at home since our no-show against Mayo. Playing our oldest rivals who are building up again. It's all down to this structure..... GAA need to go full Thatcher and treat the provincial councils like the Maggie treated the trade unions. Its a farce! All the gaa community being held back for 1 or 2 good games in Ulster and the cash cow that Dublin are to the Leinster Council! |
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Apr 17, 2024 10:05:11 GMT
Considering the small crowds, I think Ennis would be ideal if it was a Kerry and Clare Final. I was in Limerick last year and to be fair it could have been held at a top tier club ground... The Gaa have to face up to the fact that crowds are down, the money isn't there and people are just waiting for the All Ireland Series. Its Wednesday, we are playing our oldest rivals, at home in a Munster Semi Final, and no buzz or talk, no build up... there would be more interest in a county club game.... It's shocking how little buzz at all there is about it. First championship game at home since our no-show against Mayo. Playing our oldest rivals who are building up again. It's all down to this structure..... GAA need to go full Thatcher and treat the provincial councils like the Maggie treated the trade unions. Its a farce! All the gaa community being held back for 1 or 2 good games in Ulster and the cash cow that Dublin are to the Leinster Council! Easier said that done and Jarlath said as much - a basic enough computer program (simultaneous equations?) could help though I dread what AI will throw up, and that is probably the tool that will be used eventually. The reason there is just a few good games is nil to do with the fixtures system nor is the dominance of the blues. Can anyone point to the period when the championship was most competitive, with c.10 serious contenders - say when all the football counties had a strong team? Ulster were weak during the troubles and now look at them - have they near enough half the talent? You'd wonder if it is just the sporadic nature of things or is there another reason - rugby isn't as popular in the nationalist community as it might be in the 26 counties though soccer might be comparably stronger? Soccer is on a par with 'the Gaelic' as they call it, in Donegal - some would argue it is stronger and that was certainly so pre Jim McPorter! I'm always trying to analyse what could be behind the variance in talent pipelines - now what do you think of that Mr Jowee Umbrealla? |
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Post by legendz on Apr 17, 2024 20:30:38 GMT
Considering the small crowds, I think Ennis would be ideal if it was a Kerry and Clare Final. I was in Limerick last year and to be fair it could have been held at a top tier club ground... The Gaa have to face up to the fact that crowds are down, the money isn't there and people are just waiting for the All Ireland Series. Its Wednesday, we are playing our oldest rivals, at home in a Munster Semi Final, and no buzz or talk, no build up... there would be more interest in a county club game.... It's shocking how little buzz at all there is about it. First championship game at home since our no-show against Mayo. Playing our oldest rivals who are building up again. It's all down to this structure..... GAA need to go full Thatcher and treat the provincial councils like the Maggie treated the trade unions. Its a farce! All the gaa community being held back for 1 or 2 good games in Ulster and the cash cow that Dublin are to the Leinster Council! Under the current system, Fitzmaurice is right about moving the provincials before the league. If they persist with the current system, provincial winners should be rewarded with 3 home games. Provincial losers could also qualify directly, but seeded based on their league ranking, e.g. Clare would be a Seed 4. Outside of the provincial finalists and Tailteann winner, 14 teams based on league ranking should playoff for the final 7 places. They would add something of a knockout edge before the group stage. Regards this weekend, to go from a division with the top 8 in the country to taking lower tier opposition is a step down. Without a knockout edge, there is no build up. |
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 20, 2024 23:01:05 GMT
I said during the league that Odran Lynch worried me. The chickens came home to roost today.
Could we be seeing the end of the Fly Keeper
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 21, 2024 0:13:32 GMT
I said during the league that Odran Lynch worried me. The chickens came home to roost today. Could we be seeing the end of the Fly Keeper Maybe on kickouts. |
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Post by dc84 on Apr 21, 2024 10:03:49 GMT
God it was great to see that happening the fly goalie Is great entertainment in fairness!
To be caught 3 times is just unbelievable really very surprising that someone on the pitch like mckaigue or harte with all his experience didn't tell him just stay in your fing goal !
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 21, 2024 10:06:04 GMT
God it was great to see that happening the fly goalie Is great entertainment in fairness! To be caught 3 times is just unbelievable really very surprising that someone on the pitch like mckaigue or harte with all his experience didn't tell him just stay in your fing goal ! Said this on another thread: All for goalkeepers coming up the pitch. Adds to the excitement imo. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 21, 2024 10:15:03 GMT
The way Harte left Louth for Derry I was pleased to see that result.
What's the odds it's Kerry v Derry in Killarney in 4 weeks.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 21, 2024 10:16:37 GMT
I said during the league that Odran Lynch worried me. The chickens came home to roost today. Could we be seeing the end of the Fly Keeper He was blessed in Tralee. I wonder will the change tack now. Personally I hate seeing Shane Ryan out competing for kickouts. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 21, 2024 10:19:10 GMT
Fair play to Donegal today but there is irony in it all.In 2012 when Donegal beat Kerry in quarter final Jack stated afterwards if he was in charge of a Kerry team that played like that he get ",bata agus bothair" However he copied that style with Kildare and also now with Kerry while Donegal under Jimmy McG are now playing attacking football.Take note Jack! I wouldn't say Donegal are playing attacking football rather they exploited Derrys goal keeper with their own booming kickouts from Patton. Hard to fathon how Derry didn't anticipate this weapon as its well known that Patton has that kick in him. |
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