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Post by edgeofthesquare on Mar 30, 2024 16:23:31 GMT
Well that’s just blatantly not true sure Dublin were winning no All Irelands 15 years ago? We might as well pack up football in the county if we can’t compete with “new” players like Ross McGarry, Peadar O’Cofaigh Byrne, Cian Murphy, Sean McMahon etc. all are very average. I hate losing to Dublin but I hate this attitude that we can’t compete with them as well. We should have beaten them last year that’s on us. They’ve had a brilliant league but league doesn’t matter if they don’t win Sam. OK let's say 10 years ago then. Point remains, If you think what's happening now is fair then what can I say. And we didn't compete with them in February that's for sure. So you want Dublin to be split? That wouldn’t be a good thing at all in my opinion. There’s always going to be imbalances, the likes of a Leitrim are never going to be able to compete so where did you stop when you start to try to address population imbalances? The extra money Dublin has gotten through the years is ridiculous and that needs to be addressed. Of course we can compete with Dublin and will continue to. We beat them in 2022 and threw away last year’s game. At minor and u20 Dublin are not performing great at all. I can’t understand the doom and gloom in the present moment, maybe 5 years ago ok but not now. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 30, 2024 16:45:36 GMT
OK let's say 10 years ago then. Point remains, If you think what's happening now is fair then what can I say. And we didn't compete with them in February that's for sure. So you want Dublin to be split? That wouldn’t be a good thing at all in my opinion. There’s always going to be imbalances, the likes of a Leitrim are never going to be able to compete so where did you stop when you start to try to address population imbalances? The extra money Dublin has gotten through the years is ridiculous and that needs to be addressed. Of course we can compete with Dublin and will continue to. We beat them in 2022 and threw away last year’s game. At minor and u20 Dublin are not performing great at all. I can’t understand the doom and gloom in the present moment, maybe 5 years ago ok but not now. We beat Dublin in 2022 with a kick off a ball with their main forward injured along with McCaffery and Mannion missing. Do I want Dublin split no I think it could be disastrous but I think it may happen. Firstly Dublin need to be taken out of Croke Park that's the first step. Leinster is in a terrible state and I'd like the gaa to take as much interest in Meath or Kildare as they did Dublin in the 2000s. Dublin are the equivalent of Leinster rugby and while I think Kerry may beat them on occasion it'll be the odd occasion. |
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Post by Aodhan on Mar 30, 2024 17:31:14 GMT
Dublin and Derry meet in the AI semi final if all goes to plan. Dublin to win tomorrow and lay down another marker. Interesting question will be does Dessie bring, Fitz,McCarthy,McCaffery,Cluxton straight back in for the championship.I wonder at what point the GAA start looking at this in the interest of the integrity of the game. Hopefully he does, all are well past their best, Cluxton still gives them a major psychological and calming effect and his kicking game probably remains top notch. Even though he only conceded one goal in last year's championship he had a few very hairy moments. Fitzsimons won an All Star last year on the back of David Clifford having an off day with his shooting, he beat him for almost every ball. McCarthy had a very poor All Ireland and should have been sent off. Not even a free given for that disgraceful foul on Graham O'Sullivan in full view of Gough. That lack of action alone probably decided the game, a free in may even have sufficed. Reminded me of the Peter Crowley incident. Overall I felt that McCarthy was poor enough last year and was living on his name. Had a good 5 or 10 minute spell in most games and people thought he was wonderful. McCaffery can still be a very impactful sub but not a starter any longer. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 30, 2024 17:47:11 GMT
Dublin and Derry meet in the AI semi final if all goes to plan. Dublin to win tomorrow and lay down another marker. Interesting question will be does Dessie bring, Fitz,McCarthy,McCaffery,Cluxton straight back in for the championship.I wonder at what point the GAA start looking at this in the interest of the integrity of the game. Hopefully he does, all are well past their best, Cluxton still gives them a major psychological and calming effect and his kicking game probably remains top notch. Even though he only conceded one goal in last year's championship he had a few very hairy moments. Fitzsimons won an All Star last year on the back of David Clifford having an off day with his shooting, he beat him for almost every ball. McCarthy had a very poor All Ireland and should have been sent off. Not even a free given for that disgraceful foul on Graham O'Sullivan in full view of Gough. That lack of action alone probably decided the game, a free in may even have sufficed. Reminded me of the Peter Crowley incident. Overall I felt that McCarthy was poor enough last year and was living on his name. Had a good 5 or 10 minute spell in most games and people thought he was wonderful. McCaffery can still be a very impactful sub but not a starter any longer. Agree 100% |
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Post by Aodhan on Mar 30, 2024 17:52:05 GMT
So you want Dublin to be split? That wouldn’t be a good thing at all in my opinion. There’s always going to be imbalances, the likes of a Leitrim are never going to be able to compete so where did you stop when you start to try to address population imbalances? The extra money Dublin has gotten through the years is ridiculous and that needs to be addressed. Of course we can compete with Dublin and will continue to. We beat them in 2022 and threw away last year’s game. At minor and u20 Dublin are not performing great at all. I can’t understand the doom and gloom in the present moment, maybe 5 years ago ok but not now. We beat Dublin in 2022 with a kick off a ball with their main forward injured along with McCaffery and Mannion missing. Do I want Dublin split no I think it could be disastrous but I think it may happen. Firstly Dublin need to be taken out of Croke Park that's the first step. Leinster is in a terrible state and I'd like the gaa to take as much interest in Meath or Kildare as they did Dublin in the 2000s. Dublin are the equivalent of Leinster rugby and while I think Kerry may beat them on occasion it'll be the odd occasion. Kerry were a good 5 points the better team in 2022. I agree, Croke Park is worth at least 3 to 4 points to Dublin. Play their quarter and semi finals at a neutral venue, that's the best we can hope for. The GAA will never move the final from Croke Park. |
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 31, 2024 9:03:45 GMT
No doubting Dublin's intent in 2024 thus far, handing out a lesson to Kerry, scoring heavily and playing with hunger and zest. I think the game with Derry will be intriguing for a number of reasons. First and foremost for me is the fact that Harte did not show Derry's hand at all against Dublin in the league game a number of weeks ago - rested some, benched others and definitely had a feel of holding things back for another day. Secondly, Derry badly want to win a national title as its over 15 years since they did so (2008 league) and over 30 since the All Irl (1993). Thirdly, Derry went into the D2 league final last year in rude defensive health only to be hit with 4 goals by Dublin. While it was 11 scores to 10 in favour of Derry, Dublin's 4-6 to 11 win could have included 2 or 3 more goals. Finally, if Dublin swat aside one of the leading teams from the chasing pack tomorrow, they will be red hot favourites to cruise to All Ireland # 32. A big win will suggest they ARE as fantastic as they have looked - I'm not certain that is the case. For the above reasons, I think it will be closer than expected. Dublin by 3. Good post Taggart. Mickey Harte will want to put the icing on the cake today. He is a wily old fox and certainly will not be in awe O’Cofaigh-Byrne or any of the you young players that seem to have put the fear of God into Kerry fans. Dublin’s game is a series of drills that are thoroughly rehearsed. Mickey will ask questions that they have not prepared for like a third midfielder to man mark Fenton. A very tight game and Derry to create a shock. |
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Post by taggert on Mar 31, 2024 17:34:59 GMT
Thanks exile. No doubting the talent at Dubs disposal but far too many got sucked into thinking they are invincible, including a number around these parts.
I knew when the final whistle was blown between Derry and Dublin a few weeks back that Derry had today down as a day to lay down a marker.
They took 3 goal chances and could have had 3 more. Dublin can be got at. They are not unbeatable.
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Post by pipsqueak01 on Mar 31, 2024 17:40:21 GMT
Thanks exile. No doubting the talent at Dubs disposal but far too many got sucked into thinking they are invincible, including a number around these parts. I knew when the final whistle was blown between Derry and Dublin a few weeks back that Derry had today down as a day to lay down a marker. They took 3 goal chances and could have had 3 more. Dublin can be got at. They are not unbeatable. Exactly. A better Dublin between 15-19 were still only ever a kick of a ball ahead of Mayo and Kerry by and large. It will be close at the business end |
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Post by mainevalley on Mar 31, 2024 21:26:52 GMT
I think we are a small bit behind Derry and dub at moment. The pace of Derry halfbacks and no fear shown gives me spirit on how to beat dubs
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Post by chicago09 on Mar 31, 2024 23:49:47 GMT
At the end of the day it’s fifteen against fifteen people I am not worried after today The dubs have all the advantages and I didn’t like the hermit and a few more here saying that as an excuse but they do as I would never look for excuses but come on now even the ref today gave them a big call and we saw in the final last year what the ref did but Derry really put it up to them. They are a professional team now and have been for a long time but still Derry’s speed on the break was the difference so there we go hope we learned something from today. Howard was doing a lot of damage in the first half like he did against us but Derry really close everything down and even when the brought in mannion derry brought on a sub right away but not like last year we waited too long hope Jack was watching Anyway hope they have a good week in Portugal so I am hopeful for a good year.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 1, 2024 9:38:54 GMT
Watched the game in the junction bar in Camp and there was a huge crowd with a big Grá for Derry football.
Great game of football Derry had it won twice.
The difference was Derry were full tilt and Dublin still without Cluxton,Fitz,McCarthy,McCaffery.
The result doesn't change the outlook on the summer.
Hopefully the brains trust are working on something in Portugal as we certainly wouldn't live with either Dublin or Derry on our current form.
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 1, 2024 11:54:36 GMT
Watched the game in the junction bar in Camp and there was a huge crowd with a big Grá for Derry football. Great game of football Derry had it won twice. The difference was Derry were full tilt and Dublin still without Cluxton,Fitz,McCarthy,McCaffery. The result doesn't change the outlook on the summer. Hopefully the brains trust are working on something in Portugal as we certainly wouldn't live with either Dublin or Derry on our current form. In terms of the teams missing players, the issue for me as regards Derry is if/when one of their starting 15 gets injured there is a significant quality gap in terms of the replacements. This is a legacy of Gallagher's time there and how he used the bench. They tried to rectify it some bit in the league this year using more players but this isn't something that can be fixed over-night. I'll be shocked if this doesn't turn out to be an issue for Derry before the championship ends. |
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Post by mike70 on Apr 1, 2024 12:38:13 GMT
Watched the game in the junction bar in Camp and there was a huge crowd with a big Grá for Derry football. Great game of football Derry had it won twice. The difference was Derry were full tilt and Dublin still without Cluxton,Fitz,McCarthy,McCaffery. The result doesn't change the outlook on the summer. Hopefully the brains trust are working on something in Portugal as we certainly wouldn't live with either Dublin or Derry on our current form. In terms of the teams missing players, the issue for me as regards Derry is if/when one of their starting 15 gets injured there is a significant quality gap in terms of the replacements. This is a legacy of Gallagher's time there and how he used the bench. They tried to rectify it some bit in the league this year using more players but this isn't something that can be fixed over-night. I'll be shocked if this doesn't turn out to be an issue for Derry before the championship ends. I thought the same up untill yesterday, but Derry competed all the way and in fairness their subs gave them additional impetus to push on. Based on yesterday we are behind Derry and Dublin, the game yesterday was a joy to watch , maybe we can compete in a frantic game like that, high scoring it would be for sure. I think Dublin will be improved by mccaffery, not sure will the others bring much to a starting 15, but maybe as experience to close out games. Anyway, great game yesterday, credit to both sides. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 1, 2024 14:09:29 GMT
It's Mayo's year.
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Post by derryoak on Apr 1, 2024 14:37:16 GMT
Watched the game in the junction bar in Camp and there was a huge crowd with a big Grá for Derry football. Great game of football Derry had it won twice. The difference was Derry were full tilt and Dublin still without Cluxton,Fitz,McCarthy,McCaffery. The result doesn't change the outlook on the summer. Hopefully the brains trust are working on something in Portugal as we certainly wouldn't live with either Dublin or Derry on our current form. In terms of the teams missing players, the issue for me as regards Derry is if/when one of their starting 15 gets injured there is a significant quality gap in terms of the replacements. This is a legacy of Gallagher's time there and how he used the bench. They tried to rectify it some bit in the league this year using more players but this isn't something that can be fixed over-night. I'll be shocked if this doesn't turn out to be an issue for Derry before the championship ends. Well we didn't have the best centre half back in the country yesterday in Mckinless and we coped ok. We didn't have Lynch, Conor Doherty and McEvoy for several matches and we topped the league table. There is no doubt we need to be at full strength to beat the Dubs but so does every team in the country, including Kerry. |
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Apr 1, 2024 15:30:06 GMT
I only caught the last 15 minutes of the division 2 final but, judging by the reports I caught the best bit. The division 1 final was a cracker and have to say it’s the most enjoyable inter county game I have watched in a long while. At times it looked like the two teams were playing a different sport to much of what we have been treated to throughout the league.
While there was handpassing it was of the creative variety mostly and not of the over and back and over again variety Kerry engage in simply to keep the ball without any end product in site. I thought Lynch had a great game in goals and Mickey Harte and co use him very cleverly. When he goes up the field he often is ahead of the play and gives a little reverse pop pass and the receiver uses him as a screen to take on the defender. Also a couple of times on the Derry left flank in the second half the wing forward pulled into the middle allowing Lynch give a lovely bounce pass in form of his forward.
One thing that struck me was the pace both teams attacked at. McEvoy was a revelation at centre back and took his goals well. Interesting the Dubs went man for man for a lot of the kickouts. Honestly unless there is a massive upturn in fortunes I would fear for our midfield against either team. Because of our slow and laborious play I don’t think we would take either in a shootout either.
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Post by derryoak on Apr 1, 2024 16:05:33 GMT
Well we didn't have the best centre half back in the country yesterday in Mckinless and we coped ok. We didn't have Lynch, Conor Doherty and McEvoy for several matches and we topped the league table. There is no doubt we need to be at full strength to beat the Dubs but so does every team in the country, including Kerry. No doubting that.Congrats Derryoak.A great and well deserved win yesterday and a really exciting performance.Derry could have scored a couple of more goals only for two brilliant saves by Comerford.Its ironic but yesterday Dubs best players were Comerford and defenders.Derry were great all over the park. Thanks ciarraimick. I was having flash backs to last year's semi at times but I think it's massive that we just managed to get over the line this time. It wasn't so much that it was a league final but more that it was a victory in a big game in croke park and v the Dubs. The team will now have the belief that they can do it but ultimately there will only be a kick of the ball between the top 3 and I imagine the same in Ulster in the Donegal and potentially Armagh games. |
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 1, 2024 16:18:46 GMT
League and championship are chalk and cheese - we have seen this time and again.
Delighted Kerry are being written off by so many - there is some justification to this but it also means we are not overburdened with expectation.
We played poorly in the league is the consensus yet finished third, level on points with Dublin who we were well beaten by. Yet if we converted our goal chances that day it would have been a different story.
The essential difference between Kerry and both Derry and Dublin is midfield - we are definitely weaker in midfield at this juncture - if we can get more out of our midfield we will be challenging for honours, if we cant we are likely to come up short as our defence will be sliced open.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Apr 1, 2024 18:06:00 GMT
The essential difference between Kerry and both Derry and Dublin is midfield - we are definitely weaker in midfield at this juncture - if we can get more out of our midfield we will be challenging for honours, if we cant we are likely to come up short as our defence will be sliced open. I think starting 3 across the middle in Diarmuid, Joe and Barry Dan may help us negate this. I feel Barry Dan’s aggression and doggedness could make up for a lot and all 3 are scoring threats as well if not given attention which is something we couldn’t say with Jack Barry last year. If you’ve Seanie at 11 and Burke on the wing suddenly we’ve a lot of size in the middle; we could pin teams in on their kickout while the opposition will think twice about putting an aggressive press on us. |
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Post by mike70 on Apr 1, 2024 18:50:17 GMT
The essential difference between Kerry and both Derry and Dublin is midfield - we are definitely weaker in midfield at this juncture - if we can get more out of our midfield we will be challenging for honours, if we cant we are likely to come up short as our defence will be sliced open. I think starting 3 across the middle in Diarmuid, Joe and Barry Dan may help us negate this. I feel Barry Dan’s aggression and doggedness could make up for a lot and all 3 are scoring threats as well if not given attention which is something we couldn’t say with Jack Barry last year. If you’ve Seanie at 11 and Burke on the wing suddenly we’ve a lot of size in the middle; we could pin teams in on their kickout while the opposition will think twice about putting an aggressive press on us. I think our challenge is the middle 8 not just MF, what we saw yesterday around that sector is ahead of kerry today, let’s see what we can bring together with a full panel, I am thinking last years team bar the notable absentees. |
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Apr 1, 2024 19:44:53 GMT
I think starting 3 across the middle in Diarmuid, Joe and Barry Dan may help us negate this. I feel Barry Dan’s aggression and doggedness could make up for a lot and all 3 are scoring threats as well if not given attention which is something we couldn’t say with Jack Barry last year. If you’ve Seanie at 11 and Burke on the wing suddenly we’ve a lot of size in the middle; we could pin teams in on their kickout while the opposition will think twice about putting an aggressive press on us. I think our challenge is the middle 8 not just MF, what we saw yesterday around that sector is ahead of kerry today, let’s see what we can bring together with a full panel, I am thinking last years team bar the notable absentees. I think a half back line of Beaglaoich, Morley and White and a half forward line of Paudie, Seanie and Burke is at least as good as what Derry and Dublin have, would you not agree? I’d be thinking 5 changes personally, we came up short last year I there we can make improvements. Murphy, Barry, Moynihan, O’Brien and Geaney out Beaglaoich, Joe O’Connor, Barry Dan, Burke and Killian Spillane in. |
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Post by southward on Apr 6, 2024 22:06:30 GMT
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 6, 2024 22:30:34 GMT
I always liked Kearney, I always felt he was a rough diamond... e could have been polished into a midfielder
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Post by kerryexile on Apr 6, 2024 22:55:09 GMT
I always liked Kearney, I always felt he was a rough diamond... e could have been polished into a midfielder You are right. He had great potential. Liam was in the squad for about 2 years and got about 10 minutes play. Like all players his life was on hold so he spoke to management. I believe he was told that there was noting to discuss, he had to make his own decisions. He moved on. In modern sports this has to be contrasted with how Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp has dealt with and spoken about reserve keeper Caoimhin Kelleher. |
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Post by colinsworth1 on Apr 7, 2024 13:44:59 GMT
Two items on this forum that keep reoccurring
Folks doubt the value of Paul Murphy to this team
And
We seems determined to find a spot on the team
For Diarmuid o Connor
Regards Murphy I think he’s a rare breed of a defender we are not exactly blessed with defenders who are top man markers and can also get up the field and score I think we are lucky to have Paul Murphy . Managers more than fans treasure corner backs most
The trust has to be absolute .
Regards Diarmuid o Connor
If he’s in the full of his health has to be 8 or 9
But if not making it at midfield then he’s not making the team
To me he’s a specialist midfielder he’s not a specialist half forward
And besides that the amount of running and work a. Midfielder has to do we always need one or two back up midfielders for last quarter of game ( example last years AI)
All going well I’d have Joe and Diarmuid starting and Barry Dan to come in later
I still think the best is yet to come from DOC
He’s young and we need. A few big games from him this year
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Post by colinsworth1 on Apr 7, 2024 14:25:43 GMT
Two items on this forum that keep reoccurring
Folks doubt the value of Paul Murphy to this team
And
We seems determined to find a spot on the team
For Diarmuid o Connor
Regards Murphy I think he’s a rare breed of a defender we are not exactly blessed with defenders who are top man markers and can also get up the field and score I think we are lucky to have Paul Murphy . Managers more than fans treasure corner backs most
The trust has to be absolute .
Regards Diarmuid o Connor
If he’s in the full of his health has to be 8 or 9
But if not making it at midfield then he’s not making the team
To me he’s a specialist midfielder he’s not a specialist half forward
And besides that the amount of running and work a. Midfielder has to do we always need one or two back up midfielders for last quarter of game ( example last years AI)
All going well I’d have Joe and Diarmuid starting and Barry Dan to come in later
I still think the best is yet to come from DOC
He’s young and we need. A few big games from him this year
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 7, 2024 17:49:55 GMT
Some big shocks today,
Great win for Waterford and Wicklow.
A very funny interview on OTB with a Waterford player who called a few lads in Waterford pricks who were debating if the football team were costing too much.
Great win for Cavan with a nasty injury for Monaghans Darren Hughes.
Still too early for championship, lads in hats and scarfs.
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 7, 2024 19:43:50 GMT
Fair kick in the Swiss roll for Westmeath too.
Waterford had not won a Championship match in 14 years.
Useless information: New York have more All ireland medals on the field than Mayo have on the earth
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Post by hurlingman on Apr 7, 2024 20:55:26 GMT
It's been some fall from grase for Tipperary. Although last season in reality was no better.
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Post by homerj on Apr 7, 2024 21:39:03 GMT
Useless information: New York have more All ireland medals on the field than Mayo have on the earth which players had they? 2 kerry players playing was it or was there more? |
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