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Post by Lolly Valance on Aug 24, 2023 22:38:39 GMT
The poor return from our u20 / u21 teams lately is worrying. Is the drop to U20 making it a bridge too far for lads meaning it's a much bigger leap than before.
U17 and U20 football bear no relation to the previous grades. U17 is pure juvenile football while lads at u20 are nearly a mixture of leaving certs and college Freshers.
If your 20 and your intercounty season is over in the early summer you are going to go to America especially with the split season. Or go away and travel for a bit. Some few might get called into a training panel but, very few will see any game time. Lads will lose interest and drop out and concentrate on the club.
Instead of maybe a 18 month apprenticeship before you get meaningful league game time etc it's up around 2 and a half years. Long time to be travelling for college etc and nothing really to show at the end of it. Plus I think the standard of coaching our U20s have got the last few years would leave a lot to be desired.
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 25, 2023 7:30:47 GMT
We have development squads from U14 to U17 but then the system stops and you either fall into an U17 minor squad or an U20 squad.
It may make more sense to create two additional development squads independent to the Minor, U20 and Senior intercounty squads.
If we created an U19 and and U23 development squad to gauge progression and enhance skill level, body S&C and integrate into the county scene when required or if reach this level.
This format is working up to minor, but than falls off.... maybe this option could enhance our U20 squad and in turn follow on to senior ball....
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Post by southward on Aug 25, 2023 8:02:40 GMT
We have development squads from U14 to U17 but then the system stops and you either fall into an U17 minor squad or an U20 squad. It may make more sense to create two additional development squads independent to the Minor, U20 and Senior intercounty squads. If we created an U19 and and U23 development squad to gauge progression and enhance skill level, body S&C and integrate into the county scene when required or if reach this level. This format is working up to minor, but than falls off.... maybe this option could enhance our U20 squad and in turn follow on to senior ball.... Or are the development squads etc part of the problem when it comes to senior? At an elite level, lads are on this treadmill from U14 with constant training, weights, diet sheets and the lifestyle restrictions that go with all of that. If they make it to U20s, that's 7 years of it already. Can we really expect fellas to relish the prospect of another 10+ years at senior level? It's an entire youth living like a monk for an amateur game. |
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Post by kerryboyo on Aug 25, 2023 11:44:14 GMT
There’s a u20/senior development squad in place all ready for S&C
Players on the edges of both panels do weekly gym sessions
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 25, 2023 12:39:59 GMT
A poster on here who has constantly argued that Peter Keane was unlucky is constantly arguing that Jack has been a failure this year?
We all have ingrained agendas/biases but this is probably the most one eyed I’ve ever come across.
Imagine what would be said if Jack had lost a Munster final to the worst cork team in living memory.
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 25, 2023 15:20:52 GMT
A poster on here who has constantly argued that Peter Keane was unlucky is constantly arguing that Jack has been a failure this year? We all have ingrained agendas/biases but this is probably the most one eyed I’ve ever come across. Imagine what would be said if Jack had lost a Munster final to the worst cork team in living memory. Ah that's the beauty of football, religion and politics,,, I know of one man who goes to the majority of Kerry games, but swore blind on Jack's ratification that he wasn't going to a single Kerry game until Jack was replaced.... didn't stop him from being in Croker last August, or August 12 months.... People will always complain for the sake of venting and forums or twitter allows then the platform to snipe from behind the keyboard faceless .... |
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Post by jerryewe on Aug 25, 2023 16:16:04 GMT
I thinks it instructive that iif you draw 2 lines running east/west from the county bounds through Killarney in the South and Tralee in the north you will have accounted for the vast majority of the Kerry panel. In fact I think that if you further exclude Kenmare & Templenoe there there are only 2 players on kerry panel outside of this central area (Jason Foley & Graham O’ Sullivan). The reason I say this is to show how the population of Kerry as a whole is becoming more concentrated in a central area. The Co. board is going to be facing issues in the future with more clubs in North & South Kerry not being able to field teams at senior level. There will be still be players in these areas who will be talented enough to play with Kerry but they might be lost due to lack of competitions or games.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 25, 2023 18:46:56 GMT
A poster on here who has constantly argued that Peter Keane was unlucky is constantly arguing that Jack has been a failure this year? We all have ingrained agendas/biases but this is probably the most one eyed I’ve ever come across. Imagine what would be said if Jack had lost a Munster final to the worst cork team in living memory. Crazy alright. I wonder what that poster would have said if PK had managed a Kerry team to lose against Mayo and lose our 28 year home record to a team that was beaten by Roscommon and Cork. I’d be hoping that any poster would be expressing their dissatisfaction with a poor performance while also accepting its place in the overall year. It would be like getting overly vexed over a national league game. 2 finals with 1 win and 1 loss after we gave away a goal and our best player had an extremely unprecedented off day. Thanks god Jack came back or else we’d still be scratching around to win an all Ireland. A great success and long may he continue, keep him there as long as he wants the job |
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 25, 2023 19:51:42 GMT
[quote author=" kerrybhoy06" source="/post/282423/thread" timestamp="1692989216" . I Hope they win Sam again of course but unless they change things up I dont think we will.. [/quote] Can I ask, what would you consider adequate, reshuffle the deck inside the white lines, or change the managerial set up? |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 25, 2023 20:52:23 GMT
I’d be hoping that any poster would be expressing their dissatisfaction with a poor performance while also accepting its place in the overall year. It would be like getting overly vexed over a national league game. 2 finals with 1 win and 1 loss after we gave away a goal and our best player had an extremely unprecedented off day. Thanks god Jack came back or else we’d still be scratching around to win an all Ireland. A great success and long may he continue, keep him there as long as he wants the job That's your opinion Kerrybhoy and you might be right. Yes I was delighted last year but this year I was very disappointed. You did nt think Dubs would win Sam again under Dessie. I think Kerry were very flat this year under Jack and his selectors. I Hope they win Sam again of course but unless they change things up I dont think we will. I'm not calling for them to go but they need to change things up. We were outsmarted a good few times this year. Dublin didn’t out smart us though, we got out tactics spot on. Unprecedented individual errors lost us that game, our sideline got it spot on |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 26, 2023 9:34:29 GMT
Dublin didn’t out smart us though, we got out tactics spot on. Unprecedented individual errors lost us that game, our sideline got it spot on Look I'm not trying to argue Kbhoy and I do see your point but every big game has errors. Did Donegal gift us a goal in 14 and the press had it down as a masterclass by management. We should have used David more and we should definately tried a few high balls and marks and also Paul Mannion dragged Foley away from goal and had a field day. I just think our sideline could have done better. Now maybe I'm wrong but that's my view! I'd disagree there Mick, The sideline did what they could with what we had that day. Individual errors unfortunately cost us. Upto the goal Kerry looked comfortable to me and the goal was a killer. As a matter of interest what else could the sideline have done ? |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 26, 2023 9:35:50 GMT
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Post by thekingdom on Aug 26, 2023 10:23:59 GMT
For the dubs second last point they had 3 lads surrounding Tadhg Morley after the Burns block down. They were also more alert to the Dean Rock shot after Ryan palmed it down. Call it hunger or conditioning but our forward play towards the last quarter was very unstructured and we lacked bodies transitioning and other options up there.
The dubs were driving through the centre from midfield. At any level that's a difficult job to defend and in my opinion the best way to counteract it is to do it ourselves like the O'Sé's did v Armagh in 06 but I don't think we have the middle third capable of it. I though Diarmuid O'Connor would do that for us but I think he was probably gassed from the defensive effort. Maybe next year he can slot in at 10 or 12 if Joe O'Connor can nail down a starting spot.
We all would love another Paul Galvin who is as effective with defensive duties as scoring a few points but those kind of players don't come around too often.
I think we underachieved with that 00's team looking back at the personnel.
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Post by mike70 on Aug 26, 2023 10:38:54 GMT
A lovely piece, sad only by the fact their mom is gone, but respect to the fact that she left a family with that dignity and respect in her memory, a brilliant family. #respect. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 26, 2023 11:30:35 GMT
Dublin didn’t out smart us though, we got out tactics spot on. Unprecedented individual errors lost us that game, our sideline got it spot on Look I'm not trying to argue Kbhoy and I do see your point but every big game has errors. Did Donegal gift us a goal in 14 and the press had it down as a masterclass by management. We should have used David more and we should definately tried a few high balls and marks and also Paul Mannion dragged Foley away from goal and had a field day. I just think our sideline could have done better. Now maybe I'm wrong but that's my view! Your opinion frequently morphs into an anti jack agenda, that’s the issue here. If you measure him by the metrics of success against his predecessors - he is miles ahead. If you think Jack could have done things differently in the final then I would love to see your evaluation of the man you call “unlucky” decisions |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 26, 2023 17:07:16 GMT
Your opinion frequently morphs into an anti jack agenda, that’s the issue here. If you measure him by the metrics of success against his predecessors - he is miles ahead. If you think Jack could have done things differently in the final then I would love to see your evaluation of the man you call “unlucky” decisions I have made no secret of not wanting Jack back as manager but I ate humble pie when we won last year and was delighted to do so. You stated last year you could nt see Dublin win All ireland agsin under Dessie. My reason for not wanting Jack back was I felt he had gone negative and showed too much fear against Dublin. When he managed Kildare v Dubs in 21 they were trounced by 8 pts 20 pts to 1-9 and Jack stated afterwards Kildare did better than most keeping Dubs to an 8 points win. That is negative talk. Anyway he managed Kerry last year to win Sam so I was delighted. Sorry for not being thrilled this year. I was unhappy during league shame on me and was disgusted v Mayo during championship. Shane in me again. I ll try celebrate if we trounced like that again. During the championship our half forward line and midfield was not dressed properly. I'm not calling for Jack to go as I've stated already but I'm not celebrating an all ireland loss either. If you happy with the year then I'm happy for you. I am not!Losing a final is not a good year for me. It's painful. Yet you were happy with Peter Keane losing Munster finals to the worst cork team of most of our lifetimes. You’re placing too much stock in a loss to Mayo in a more or less irrelevant match and you’re attempting to drive a point off of a match that could easily be argued the other way- wasn’t it great management by jack to stick with our much maligned midfield and didn’t they come good for him because of the faith he showed in them, superb management. Anyway next you’ll be giving out because they haven’t won the McGrath cup. I know you don’t like Jack and that’s fine but constantly attacking him yet applying differing standards to other managers just makes your points lack credibility. |
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 26, 2023 17:42:42 GMT
I have made no secret of not wanting Jack back as manager but I ate humble pie when we won last year and was delighted to do so. You stated last year you could nt see Dublin win All ireland agsin under Dessie. My reason for not wanting Jack back was I felt he had gone negative and showed too much fear against Dublin. When he managed Kildare v Dubs in 21 they were trounced by 8 pts 20 pts to 1-9 and Jack stated afterwards Kildare did better than most keeping Dubs to an 8 points win. That is negative talk. Anyway he managed Kerry last year to win Sam so I was delighted. Sorry for not being thrilled this year. I was unhappy during league shame on me and was disgusted v Mayo during championship. Shane in me again. I ll try celebrate if we trounced like that again. During the championship our half forward line and midfield was not dressed properly. I'm not calling for Jack to go as I've stated already but I'm not celebrating an all ireland loss either. If you happy with the year then I'm happy for you. I am not!Losing a final is not a good year for me. It's painful. Yet you were happy with Peter Keane losing Munster finals to the worst cork team of most of our lifetimes. You’re placing too much stock in a loss to Mayo in a more or less irrelevant match and you’re attempting to drive a point off of a match that could easily be argued the other way- wasn’t it great management by jack to stick with our much maligned midfield and didn’t they come good for him because of the faith he showed in them, superb management. Anyway next you’ll be giving out because they haven’t won the McGrath cup. I know you don’t like Jack and that’s fine but constantly attacking him yet applying differing standards to other managers just makes your points lack credibility. For the record Peter Keane never actually lost a Munster final. The loss in 2020 was the Munster semi final. It's perfectly reasonable for people to question Jack O Connor after what was an underwhelming year. You say people are talking about the Mayo game too much. Is that not applying different standards? Kerry had a great year last year yes no one is doubting that. But the fact is Jack has show to be very caught in the past with the Kerry U20/21s as well as with Kildare. But ultimately this comes down to the CB. In the last few years the appointments at U20 level particularly have been quite underwhelming and even going back to when it was U21. Where is the next Kerry manager going to come from? When JOC goes will it be another case of having no one obvious candidate a d looking for someone who has already had the job having to come back in again? |
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 26, 2023 18:08:34 GMT
Yet you were happy with Peter Keane losing Munster finals to the worst cork team of most of our lifetimes. You’re placing too much stock in a loss to Mayo in a more or less irrelevant match and you’re attempting to drive a point off of a match that could easily be argued the other way- wasn’t it great management by jack to stick with our much maligned midfield and didn’t they come good for him because of the faith he showed in them, superb management. Anyway next you’ll be giving out because they haven’t won the McGrath cup. I know you don’t like Jack and that’s fine but constantly attacking him yet applying differing standards to other managers just makes your points lack credibility. For the record Peter Keane never actually lost a Munster final. The loss in 2020 was the Munster semi final. It's perfectly reasonable for people to question Jack O Connor after what was an underwhelming year. You say people are talking about the Mayo game too much. Is that not applying different standards? Kerry had a great year last year yes no one is doubting that. But the fact is Jack has show to be very caught in the past with the Kerry U20/21s as well as with Kildare. But ultimately this comes down to the CB. In the last few years the appointments at U20 level particularly have been quite underwhelming and even going back to when it was U21. Where is the next Kerry manager going to come from? When JOC goes will it be another case of having no one obvious candidate a d looking for someone who has already had the job having to come back in again? We lost to Dublin by a very fine margin. We gifted them a goal and kicked some easy wides. Michéal Quirke is a candidate to replace him. Eamon Fitzmaurice is still young. Diarmuid Murphy. I'm sure there's lots more. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 26, 2023 19:08:11 GMT
Yet you were happy with Peter Keane losing Munster finals to the worst cork team of most of our lifetimes. You’re placing too much stock in a loss to Mayo in a more or less irrelevant match and you’re attempting to drive a point off of a match that could easily be argued the other way- wasn’t it great management by jack to stick with our much maligned midfield and didn’t they come good for him because of the faith he showed in them, superb management. Anyway next you’ll be giving out because they haven’t won the McGrath cup. I know you don’t like Jack and that’s fine but constantly attacking him yet applying differing standards to other managers just makes your points lack credibility. Its important to learn from mistakes and Peter Keane in 21 managed Kerry to best Cork by 22points and imagine that was a way better team than the worst team ever the year before. Also when we won Sam under Jack last year he had Burns and Moynihan on same panel and Stephen Ó Brien came on and Geaney started. You must have been fuming with Jack as that's what drove you mad about PK. And what about Killian A better manager made them better players and we won an all Ireland because of it. Thank god Jack came back. Anyways the constant attacks on a successful coach that you keep making need to be tempered by the inclusion of your praise and support for a much less successful coach. The position you’re taking isn’t based on results or logic. It’s necessary to point that out |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 26, 2023 19:41:02 GMT
A better manager made them better players and we won an all Ireland because of it. Thank god Jack came back. Anyways the constant attacks on a successful coach that you keep making need to be tempered by the inclusion of your praise and support for a much less successful coach. The position you’re taking isn’t based on results or logic. It’s necessary to point that out I'm just stating facts. You are stating your opinion. You reckon Jack made all those players you could nt stand better. Maybe he did but I'd argue Geaney and Ó Brien were great players before Jack ever ré emerged. Fair play to Jack for 2022 and fair play to Dessie for 23 the man who would nt win again with Dublin according to you. I think Dessie Farrell is a good manager based on results and logic. How bout you? I don’t really care for your pal Dessie, he has nothing to do with Kerry football. You’re just engaging in whataboutery now What facts are you stating? The facts that count are Jack won us an all Ireland and Peter Keane didn’t so you constantly attacking the former and defending the latter is bizarre. It needs to be pointed out as it’s an agenda that you keep pushing |
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Post by thekingdom on Aug 27, 2023 7:31:37 GMT
Can anyone answer who's job it was to pick up Howard for cluxtons kick outs? That was my biggest issue.
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 27, 2023 9:35:42 GMT
For the record Peter Keane never actually lost a Munster final. The loss in 2020 was the Munster semi final. It's perfectly reasonable for people to question Jack O Connor after what was an underwhelming year. You say people are talking about the Mayo game too much. Is that not applying different standards? Kerry had a great year last year yes no one is doubting that. But the fact is Jack has show to be very caught in the past with the Kerry U20/21s as well as with Kildare. But ultimately this comes down to the CB. In the last few years the appointments at U20 level particularly have been quite underwhelming and even going back to when it was U21. Where is the next Kerry manager going to come from? When JOC goes will it be another case of having no one obvious candidate a d looking for someone who has already had the job having to come back in again? We lost to Dublin by a very fine margin. We gifted them a goal and kicked some easy wides. Michéal Quirke is a candidate to replace him. Eamon Fitzmaurice is still young. Diarmuid Murphy. I'm sure there's lots more. The same happened under Peter Keane did it not? Yet you give JOC a free pass about it? |
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 27, 2023 12:32:05 GMT
We lost to Dublin by a very fine margin. We gifted them a goal and kicked some easy wides. Michéal Quirke is a candidate to replace him. Eamon Fitzmaurice is still young. Diarmuid Murphy. I'm sure there's lots more. The same happened under Peter Keane did it not? Yet you give JOC a free pass about it? I'm not giving anyone a free pass. I'm just offering perspective. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 27, 2023 12:52:10 GMT
We lost to Dublin by a very fine margin. We gifted them a goal and kicked some easy wides. Michéal Quirke is a candidate to replace him. Eamon Fitzmaurice is still young. Diarmuid Murphy. I'm sure there's lots more. The same happened under Peter Keane did it not? Yet you give JOC a free pass about it? No one was calling Peter Keane a failure after 2019, it was the subsequent years that brought people to that assessment. If Jack goes and loses a Munster final to a cork or Clare then I’ll expect him to go aswell. |
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 27, 2023 13:03:05 GMT
The same happened under Peter Keane did it not? Yet you give JOC a free pass about it? No one was calling Peter Keane a failure after 2019, it was the subsequent years that brought people to that assessment. If Jack goes and loses a Munster final to a cork or Clare then I’ll expect him to go aswell. In 2019 I felt Dublin were a much better team than us and they showed that in the replay. At the same time though, we should've beaten them in the first game. 2020 was just a freak result. I'm pretty certain Clifford missed a free from 20m. The goal was a freak also. We were always told underage to attack the ball, nobody did this time. It just landed in Corks lap. I'm not sure you can blame the manager. 2021 we should've won. Tyrone's first goal was so soft. They just walked the ball in. I find it difficult to blame managers as we've no idea what they're like really. In soccer you can criticise signings and team selection but in GAA there's no signings and the team almost picks itself. |
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Post by thekingdom on Aug 27, 2023 13:18:07 GMT
No one was calling Peter Keane a failure after 2019, it was the subsequent years that brought people to that assessment. If Jack goes and loses a Munster final to a cork or Clare then I’ll expect him to go aswell. In 2019 I felt Dublin were a much better team than us and they showed that in the replay. At the same time though, we should've beaten them in the first game. 2020 was just a freak result. I'm pretty certain Clifford missed a free from 20m. The goal was a freak also. We were always told underage to attack the ball, nobody did this time. It just landed in Corks lap. I'm not sure you can blame the manager. 2021 we should've won. Tyrone's first goal was so soft. They just walked the ball in. I find it difficult to blame managers as we've no idea what they're like really. In soccer you can criticise signings and team selection but in GAA there's no signings and the team almost picks itself. It was actually a miracle we drew the 70 minute game v Tyrone - 20 plus turnovers, playing average all over and 3 crap goals conceded and we still managed to be level. Clifford didn't get cramp. He got injured when he got the hospital hand pass when the goal was on towards the end. If you look at the kicking technique of Tommy Walsh for our last chance it should be shown to every young player to show how not to kick the ball. He said after that he didn't realise he had as much time as he had. Opportunity lost. |
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 27, 2023 13:36:33 GMT
In 2019 I felt Dublin were a much better team than us and they showed that in the replay. At the same time though, we should've beaten them in the first game. 2020 was just a freak result. I'm pretty certain Clifford missed a free from 20m. The goal was a freak also. We were always told underage to attack the ball, nobody did this time. It just landed in Corks lap. I'm not sure you can blame the manager. 2021 we should've won. Tyrone's first goal was so soft. They just walked the ball in. I find it difficult to blame managers as we've no idea what they're like really. In soccer you can criticise signings and team selection but in GAA there's no signings and the team almost picks itself. It was actually a miracle we drew the 70 minute game v Tyrone - 20 plus turnovers, playing average all over and 3 crap goals conceded and we still managed to be level. Clifford didn't get cramp. He got injured when he got the hospital hand pass when the goal was on towards the end. If you look at the kicking technique of Tommy Walsh for our last chance it should be shown to every young player to show how not to kick the ball. He said after that he didn't realise he had as much time as he had. Opportunity lost. Tyrone weren't great. They shouldn't have scored so much against us. All 3 goals were very soft really. |
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Post by thekingdom on Aug 27, 2023 13:40:22 GMT
It was actually a miracle we drew the 70 minute game v Tyrone - 20 plus turnovers, playing average all over and 3 crap goals conceded and we still managed to be level. Clifford didn't get cramp. He got injured when he got the hospital hand pass when the goal was on towards the end. If you look at the kicking technique of Tommy Walsh for our last chance it should be shown to every young player to show how not to kick the ball. He said after that he didn't realise he had as much time as he had. Opportunity lost. Tyrone weren't great. They shouldn't have scored so much against us. All 3 goals were very soft really. Yes Tyrone weren't great. The lack of in game management cost us. Clearly we had a plan to go for goals but ran down so many blind alleys. At least with a wide you can reset the defence. |
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Post by himself on Aug 27, 2023 14:51:56 GMT
We lost an All Ireland replay, lost a Munster semi-final (confluence of factors, but Kerry made a lot of mistakes) lost a semi-final in extra-time (could and arguably deserved to win, coughed up at least one unlucky goal), won a cracking All Ireland, and lost deservedly to a great Dublin team.
There's a lot of counties would love that recent record. Good age profile in that team, there would be plenty of hands up for manager if Jack opted to step down. U20 is definitely a problem for us, I'm still quite happy with the players coming through minor. Colleges are flying at the moment - great to see Castleisland stepping up to A grade.
Monahan is a big loss, I would have brought him on to the senior panel next year. I don't see Paul Geaney (he was the best player in the county championship last year) retiring or Stephen. There's another All Ireland in this team.
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 27, 2023 15:24:30 GMT
We lost an All Ireland replay, lost a Munster semi-final (confluence of factors, but Kerry made a lot of mistakes) lost a semi-final in extra-time (could and arguably deserved to win, coughed up at least one unlucky goal), won a cracking All Ireland, and lost deservedly to a great Dublin team. There's a lot of counties would love that recent record. Good age profile in that team, there would be plenty of hands up for manager if Jack opted to step down. U20 is definitely a problem for us, I'm still quite happy with the players coming through minor. Colleges are flying at the moment - great to see Castleisland stepping up to A grade. Monahan is a big loss, I would have brought him on to the senior panel next year. I don't see Paul Geaney (he was the best player in the county championship last year) retiring or Stephen. There's another All Ireland in this team. I bet Eamon Fitzmaurice would be licking his lips to work with this panel. He had a relatively weak panel. |
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