Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2022 12:15:58 GMT
what's noel Mooney like as a reff? Think he had the Dublin Monaghan game on Sunday and they weren't impressed. But let's see how he gets on in CP. ah right, I wish him well and I hope he does a good job, I suppose new reffs need to be blooded at some stage, at least it's not McQuillan or Coldrick. |
|
|
|
Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 30, 2022 12:27:27 GMT
Think he had the Dublin Monaghan game on Sunday and they weren't impressed. But let's see how he gets on in CP. I think the GAA have made a mistake here.. Kerry v Mayo is such a grudge match at this stage, the game needs a no nonsense ref like David Gough or someone of that quality... this isn't a game to be experimenting with refs. We had Brendan Cawley, another inexperienced ref, for the game in Tralee and he had lost control of that game by the end. Fair point but I think they have a real issue getting good quality refs at this level. Hopefully he has a good game s it a big deal for him too. |
|
|
|
Post by Whosinmidfield on Mar 30, 2022 13:24:49 GMT
Finding the correct balance for our midfield pairing and the wing forward midfielder will be key to our chances this year. It will likely depend on opposition later in the year also. Moran/Barry/DOC Moran/DOC/Spillane DOC/Barry/Spillane Joe/Barry/DOC DOC/Joe/Spillane Moran/Joe/DOC another possibility. |
|
|
|
Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on Mar 30, 2022 20:01:27 GMT
I doubt very much that Neil Morgan was aiming for Canavans midriff. I see what you mean Mick but still a small man won it and they got an important goal from it. It does nt matter how you win the ball (high or low) once you win it. If our midfielders don't win a single kickout and we win the breaking ball I'll be happy out. Rewatching Canavan winning the mark, getting space and delivering the perfect pass highlights the lack of cuteness of our team. Whoever was marking Canavan stepped back and let him deliver the quick ball into McCurry. Did anyone notice Burns winning a breaking ball in the right half back position, just at the start of extra time in the first half? He was instantly fouled by the nearest Tyrone player, when he went to ground a second Tyrone player came in and held him down and then a 3rd player stood in front of him when he stood up to take his free. During the few seconds that this took, the Tyrone defense got back into place and we had no chance of a quick counterattack. Horrendously cynical but highly effective... The only other comment I wanted to add was for "that" punch! Casey did very well to hold McCurry out and keep him from being under the ball. Longterm, I hope we'll learn more from the 1 defeat that we learnt from last year's league game! |
|
|
|
Post by southward on Mar 30, 2022 20:33:26 GMT
Think he had the Dublin Monaghan game on Sunday and they weren't impressed. But let's see how he gets on in CP. I think the GAA have made a mistake here.. Kerry v Mayo is such a grudge match at this stage, the game needs a no nonsense ref like David Gough or someone of that quality... this isn't a game to be experimenting with refs. We had Brendan Cawley, another inexperienced ref, for the game in Tralee and he had lost control of that game by the end. Well at least he had the balls to call the free that relegated Dublin. No way the likes of Coldrick or McQuillan were giving that. |
|
exiled
Senior Member
Posts: 292
|
Post by exiled on Mar 30, 2022 21:36:42 GMT
I think the GAA have made a mistake here.. Kerry v Mayo is such a grudge match at this stage, the game needs a no nonsense ref like David Gough or someone of that quality... this isn't a game to be experimenting with refs. We had Brendan Cawley, another inexperienced ref, for the game in Tralee and he had lost control of that game by the end. Well at least he had the balls to call the free that relegated Dublin. No way the likes of Coldrick or McQuillan were giving that. I didn't think it was a free..if it was against us I'd be pissed off. But the Dubs won't couple of Sam's with phantom frees so a bit of Karma. |
|
|
|
Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 30, 2022 21:51:32 GMT
True Coldrick and McQuilen unless we’re 5 or 6 points a better team then we’re not winning
Mayo v Kerry should be a good game
Mayo s poor management of AOS I think has been a thorn in their side
I think he’s been a very influential player but has been mis managed throughout his career
AH beating Mayo or Mayo beating us dosent get the pulse going because unless we can beat Tyrone we’re still under achieving .
|
|
|
|
Post by Kingdomson on Mar 30, 2022 22:03:07 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by dc84 on Mar 31, 2022 9:22:19 GMT
Jesus don't be feeding that narrative , this kerry team is on the road since 2018 really. In which time they have lost 4 games obviously.
2018 vs Galway very young team in first senior game in Croke park for a lot of them ok it was a flat performance but in the next game we showed a lot of resilience to pull off a comeback up in monaghan not easy as dublin and Galway have found out last 2 years! Was that mentally weak?
2019-lost to dublin in ai final replay after hammering mayo , drawing against Donegal with no recognised midfielder by the end of that game. We also beat Tyrone in a tight semi final ( which doesn't seem to count for some reason)we fought back in the first game against admittedly 14 men but that was the best team I have ever seen in Gaelic football
2020- unpleasantness in cork in a game played in December in the worst conditions I have ever seen maybe that was weak mentally alright.
2021- lost to Tyrone by a point after extra time Clifford gets injured and we should have taken him off as Tyrone got about 5 kickouts away handy on his side while he was injured. We showed good resilience to come back at them in extra time after being 5 or 6 down
I don't see any game there where we collapsed or really didn't perform (bar cork). Why is it always mental fragility when we lose ? Mayo collapsed against Tyrone last year as did the dubs to mayo total system failures by both. 2018 Tyrone never laid a glove on dublin which you can't say about us in any year we have played them saying a team is mentally weak is a terrible insult to our lads imo. The 70s and 80s are never coming back where there was in all honesty very few good teams , the lads above in Ulster had different priorities at the time emigration in the West made it very difficult on them. Dublin have got their house in order and are going nowhere Tyrone and mayo are similar these will be like ourselves there or there abouts probably forever football in Donegal is as bally says a lot stronger than previously. These counties have the critical mass of population the interest, financial backing and structures in place to consistently compete cork and Galway will compete sporadically and have the potential to make it a big 7 meath and kildare suffer from identity issues a lotof the people living there identity as dubs and this is generational . This is good for the game lads kerry and dublin had too much of a duopoly in the 70s and 80s great for them but I would imagine fairly crap for everyone else.
|
|
|
|
Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 31, 2022 9:49:33 GMT
Right or wrong my feeling in 2019 was that there was a game to go and win and we did not take the chance.
Compare with Dublin in 2011.
|
|
|
|
Post by greengold35 on Mar 31, 2022 10:33:55 GMT
Right or wrong my feeling in 2019 was that there was a game to go and win and we did not take the chance. Compare with Dublin in 2011. Fully agree with you - think the replay was worse than the drawn game though because we abandoned what worked against Dublin the first day & change of tactics cost us - also the late introduction of both Killian Spillane & Tommy Walsh was a big mistake for me - Dublins answer to Tommy was Philly & the sooner we got both on the pitch the better. |
|
|
|
Post by greengold35 on Mar 31, 2022 10:42:34 GMT
Jesus don't be feeding that narrative , this kerry team is on the road since 2018 really. In which time they have lost 4 games obviously. 2018 vs Galway very young team in first senior game in Croke park for a lot of them ok it was a flat performance but in the next game we showed a lot of resilience to pull off a comeback up in monaghan not easy as dublin and Galway have found out last 2 years! Was that mentally weak? 2019-lost to dublin in ai final replay after hammering mayo , drawing against Donegal with no recognised midfielder by the end of that game. We also beat Tyrone in a tight semi final ( which doesn't seem to count for some reason)we fought back in the first game against admittedly 14 men but that was the best team I have ever seen in Gaelic football 2020- unpleasantness in cork in a game played in December in the worst conditions I have ever seen maybe that was weak mentally alright. 2021- lost to Tyrone by a point after extra time Clifford gets injured and we should have taken him off as Tyrone got about 5 kickouts away handy on his side while he was injured. We showed good resilience to come back at them in extra time after being 5 or 6 down I don't see any game there where we collapsed or really didn't perform (bar cork). Why is it always mental fragility when we lose ? Mayo collapsed against Tyrone last year as did the dubs to mayo total system failures by both. 2018 Tyrone never laid a glove on dublin which you can't say about us in any year we have played them saying a team is mentally weak is a terrible insult to our lads imo. The 70s and 80s are never coming back where there was in all honesty very few good teams , the lads above in Ulster had different priorities at the time emigration in the West made it very difficult on them. Dublin have got their house in order and are going nowhere Tyrone and mayo are similar these will be like ourselves there or there abouts probably forever football in Donegal is as bally says a lot stronger than previously. These counties have the critical mass of population the interest, financial backing and structures in place to consistently compete cork and Galway will compete sporadically and have the potential to make it a big 7 meath and kildare suffer from identity issues a lotof the people living there identity as dubs and this is generational . This is good for the game lads kerry and dublin had too much of a duopoly in the 70s and 80s great for them but I would imagine fairly crap for everyone else. I think that ‘18, 19 & 20 were all down to management & tactics. We had annihilated Cork in ‘18 & abandoned our attacking game vs Galway playing a sweeper which was the first time we employed somebody in that role; we abandoned the tactics of the drawn final in ‘19 & chose to give Dublin the restarts which left us with a mountain to climb -,we proceeded to kick high balls into the full forward line where Dublin had 3 defenders to our two forwards. The team that took on Cork in ‘20 was defensively minded ( OBeaglaoich @ 10), a debutant wing forward ( Ronan Buckley) & played to Cork’s strengths, not ours - admittedly the conditions were horrendous but we got drawn into an arm wrestle which was entirely of our own making. |
|
|
|
Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 31, 2022 10:43:44 GMT
Right or wrong my feeling in 2019 was that there was a game to go and win and we did not take the chance. Compare with Dublin in 2011. Fully agree with you - think the replay was worse than the drawn game though because we abandoned what worked against Dublin the first day & change of tactics cost us - also the late introduction of both Killian Spillane & Tommy Walsh was a big mistake for me - Dublins answer to Tommy was Philly & the sooner we got both on the pitch the better. I have mentally wiped the replay. All I seem to remember is Geaney playing very well in the first half. I think it is head in the sand stuff to say there aren't questions about Kerry's mentality or rather performance on these days when they lose. |
|
|
|
Post by veteran on Mar 31, 2022 10:57:12 GMT
Jesus don't be feeding that narrative , this kerry team is on the road since 2018 really. In which time they have lost 4 games obviously. 2018 vs Galway very young team in first senior game in Croke park for a lot of them ok it was a flat performance but in the next game we showed a lot of resilience to pull off a comeback up in monaghan not easy as dublin and Galway have found out last 2 years! Was that mentally weak? 2019-lost to dublin in ai final replay after hammering mayo , drawing against Donegal with no recognised midfielder by the end of that game. We also beat Tyrone in a tight semi final ( which doesn't seem to count for some reason)we fought back in the first game against admittedly 14 men but that was the best team I have ever seen in Gaelic football 2020- unpleasantness in cork in a game played in December in the worst conditions I have ever seen maybe that was weak mentally alright. 2021- lost to Tyrone by a point after extra time Clifford gets injured and we should have taken him off as Tyrone got about 5 kickouts away handy on his side while he was injured. We showed good resilience to come back at them in extra time after being 5 or 6 down I don't see any game there where we collapsed or really didn't perform (bar cork). Why is it always mental fragility when we lose ? Mayo collapsed against Tyrone last year as did the dubs to mayo total system failures by both. 2018 Tyrone never laid a glove on dublin which you can't say about us in any year we have played them saying a team is mentally weak is a terrible insult to our lads imo. The 70s and 80s are never coming back where there was in all honesty very few good teams , the lads above in Ulster had different priorities at the time emigration in the West made it very difficult on them. Dublin have got their house in order and are going nowhere Tyrone and mayo are similar these will be like ourselves there or there abouts probably forever football in Donegal is as bally says a lot stronger than previously. These counties have the critical mass of population the interest, financial backing and structures in place to consistently compete cork and Galway will compete sporadically and have the potential to make it a big 7 meath and kildare suffer from identity issues a lotof the people living there identity as dubs and this is generational . This is good for the game lads kerry and dublin had too much of a duopoly in the 70s and 80s great for them but I would imagine fairly crap for everyone else. Fine post dc 84 |
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Mar 31, 2022 12:54:44 GMT
Kingdomson its an interesting observation. I grew up in an era when we were Kings and always had an excuse when we lost but the reality is we are no longer the feared King and as a matter of fact many think we are the overhyped team that teams love to play against. Many think we are soft and until we win Sam we cannot argue against that. Just because we are Kerry does nt mean we are entitled to titles as Cork hurlers found out. We are in a new era where Dublin are the Kings of football and Limerick are the ki gs of hurling and until we win national titles that will not change. Maybe its the golden years team that is overhyped. Connacht went without an All Ireland for 32 years prior to 1998. They was a war in Ulster for roughly the same period. Having said that, since 2014 Kerry have lost many close games in the championship that we 'coulda shoulda' won. |
|
dano
Senior Member
Posts: 515
|
Post by dano on Mar 31, 2022 14:42:47 GMT
There's a bit of truth in all posters' views here I think. A win Sunday, after a tough game, will go a long way in exorcising some of the ghosts.
Joe Brolly and Cavanagh will then tell us (should Kerry win) that we only beat Munster or Connaught oposition. Jack knows that the only way to silence our critics is with, League, Munster and All Ireland wins,. Back to back first and then onwards and upwards from there.
|
|
|
|
Post by hatchetman on Mar 31, 2022 15:00:03 GMT
Paddy power odds
Kerry 8/15
Draw 8/1
Mayo 2/1
|
|
|
|
Post by thehermit on Mar 31, 2022 15:06:58 GMT
Paddy power odds Kerry 8/15 Draw 8/1 Mayo 2/1 As someone who hasn't a clue about betting or bookies odds does the above signify we are heavy favourites or what? |
|
|
|
Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 31, 2022 15:11:53 GMT
There's a bit of truth in all posters' views here I think. A win Sunday, after a tough game, will go a long way in exorcising some of the ghosts. Joe Brolly and Cavanagh will then tell us (should Kerry win) that we only beat Munster or Connaught oposition. Jack knows that the only way to silence our critics is with, League, Munster and All Ireland wins,. Back to back first and then onwards and upwards from there. I shall embrace my inner animal and state that only an All Ireland will sate me. A win on Sunday after a tough game might hopefully be a step in that direction but in and of itself will be a fleeting joy. |
|
|
|
Post by dodgyknees on Mar 31, 2022 15:17:03 GMT
Paddy power odds Kerry 8/15 Draw 8/1 Mayo 2/1 The draw could be worth a few pounds! Can't see there being more than a few points between the teams |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 15:19:35 GMT
Paddy power odds Kerry 8/15 Draw 8/1 Mayo 2/1 As someone who hasn't a clue about betting or bookies odds does the above signify we are heavy favourites or what? Ya I'd also like to know that. |
|
|
|
Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 31, 2022 15:23:02 GMT
Those odds would make Kerry strong favourites.
By my calculations, it translates into an approx. 59% chance of Kerry win, 10% chance of draw, 30% chance Mayo win.
There is a missing percentage point due to rounding error.
Someone who knows only a little about odds will say, are Mayo not a 33% chance? They are according to 2/1 odds, but that difference, between this 33% and 30%, is the bookies' cut.
Without this cut, the way it works is 2/1 means that Mayo win once and not win twice... that is they win one out of three times... approx. 33%.
Similarly 8/1 on the draw means a draw once, and not a draw eight times... that is a draw once in nine games approx. 11%.
Kerry 8/15 means Kerry win 15 times and not win eight times... so they win 15/23 approx. 65% times.
It means, roughly, that if you put down €109 of bets on this match: €65 on a Kerry win, €11 on the draw, and €33 on Mayo, you will get back about €100 if Kerry win, €99 on the draw, and €99 if Mayo win.
So the bookies' cut is, in the long run, about 10% of all bets on the outcome of the match.
|
|
|
|
Post by hatchetman on Mar 31, 2022 15:24:21 GMT
Paddy power odds Kerry 8/15 Draw 8/1 Mayo 2/1 As someone who hasn't a clue about betting or bookies odds does the above signify we are heavy favourites or what? Yes, Kerry are strong favourites. If you put £15 on Kerry you'll get back £23 if they win. If you put £15 on Mayo you'll get back £45 if they win. |
|
|
|
Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 31, 2022 15:37:51 GMT
2/1 on Mayo is a good bet to be honest as I don’t make us heavy favourites
|
|
mike70
Senior Member
Posts: 661
|
Post by mike70 on Mar 31, 2022 16:31:05 GMT
It’s a 50 50 game, you think we have the better scoring power, but it’s croke park, so linking up back to front will be critical, we kick it, Mayo run it, should be interesting.
|
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Mar 31, 2022 16:32:33 GMT
Saturday 14 August 2021
Mayo 0-17
Dublin 0-14
Mayo
1. Rob Hennelly (Breaffy)
2. Padraig O’Hora (Ballina Stephenites),
3. Lee Keegan (Westport),
4. Michael Plunkett (Ballintubber)
5. Paddy Durcan (Castlebar Mitchels),
6. Stephen Coen (Hollymount/Carramore),
7. Eoghan McLaughlin (Westport)
8. Matthew Ruane (Breaffy), 9. Conor Loftus (Crossmolina)
10. Diarmuid O’Connor (Ballintubber) 11. Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore), 12. Darren McHale (Knockmore)
13. Tommy Conroy (The Neale),
14. Aidan O’Shea (Breaffy),
P15. Ryan O’Donoghue (Belmullet)
Subs
19. Enda Hession (Garrymore) for McHale (27)
23. Bryan Walsh (Ballintubber) for Plunkett (49)
26. James Carr (Ardagh) for Aidan O’Shea (49)
24. Jordan Flynn (Crossmolina) for McLaughlin (inj) (58)
21. Conor O’Shea (Breaffy) for Loftus (64)
25. Darren Coen (Hollymount-Carramore) for Stephen Coen (76)
9. Loftus for McLoughlin (81)
18. Brendan Harrison (Aghamore) for O’Connor (87)
14. O’Shea for Darren Coen (91)
|
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Mar 31, 2022 16:33:48 GMT
How many of the above side that beat Dublin in the 2021 championship are unavailable for sunday...
I know Tommy Conroy is gone.
Is Brendan Harrison out too
|
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Mar 31, 2022 16:40:42 GMT
The 2019 league final
|
|
peanuts
Fanatical Member
Posts: 1,823
|
Post by peanuts on Mar 31, 2022 16:58:13 GMT
How many of the above side that beat Dublin in the 2021 championship are unavailable for sunday... I know Tommy Conroy is gone. Is Brendan Harrison out too Yes, Harrison is definitely out, did his ACL last week. Hennelly has missed the last 2 games for Mayo and I haven't seen McLaughlin since the Sigerson, not sure what's the story with him. |
|
peanuts
Fanatical Member
Posts: 1,823
|
Post by peanuts on Mar 31, 2022 17:02:09 GMT
Kingdomson its an interesting observation. I grew up in an era when we were Kings and always had an excuse when we lost but the reality is we are no longer the feared King and as a matter of fact many think we are the overhyped team that teams love to play against. Many think we are soft and until we win Sam we cannot argue against that. Just because we are Kerry does nt mean we are entitled to titles as Cork hurlers found out. We are in a new era where Dublin are the Kings of football and Limerick are the ki gs of hurling and until we win national titles that will not change. Maybe its the golden years team that is overhyped. Connacht went without an All Ireland for 32 years prior to 1998. They was a war in Ulster for roughly the same period. Having said that, since 2014 Kerry have lost many close games in the championship that we 'coulda shoulda' won. Have we? I can only think of 2, last year against Tyrone and the Munster SF against Cork in 2020. I'm not sure you could say we should've won any of the other games we lost. You could include the 2019 drawn game alright I suppose. |
|
