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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 29, 2022 23:14:35 GMT
I think it's very important for us to win next Sunday. We have nt won a national final in 5 years. I know we shared league last year and were league winners in 2020 but there was no final. National silverware would take a bit of pressure off us as many neutrals question Kerry s belly for the big battles. It should be tight but here s hoping.
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Post by thepromisedland on Mar 29, 2022 23:18:03 GMT
I think it's very important for us to win next Sunday. We have nt won a national final in 5 years. I know we shared league last year and were league winners in 2020 but there was no final. National silverware would take a bit of pressure off us as many neutrals question Kerry s belly for the big battles. It should be tight but here s hoping. Absolutely Ciarraimick. Spot on! |
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Post by MeathExile on Mar 29, 2022 23:34:21 GMT
Thankfully, defense has improved immensely. Goalie for me is Ryan - all day long, and that was long before last Sunday. I just get very nervous when I see GAA goalies punching a ball - much too risky compared to soccer as there are more bodies around the goalmouth ready to collect, and they can use hands, rather than just their feet. Perhaps Diarmuid could advise Shane M on this....
Diarmuid and Jack have done reasonably well in mid-field - both have their strengths and weaknesses. Jack is a destroyer in chief - I think very suitable for the likes of Fenton - but I think he has to be given a definitive man-marking role. Perhaps he should take up Ruane on Sunday with that in mind. I often wonder what he would be like centre-back, but thats another story, as thankfully, Tadgh has sorted that one out.
I think Joe O Connor is made for Croke park - his speed and box-to-box ability will burn most midfielders, and he has an eye for a score, and is an intelligent player on the ball. Next Sunday, I would start him with either Jack. If when/David returns, I would play either him or Diarmuid as 12, with Adrian as 10. We then have a really physical half-forward line (with Seanie as centre) with plenty of football ability.
Looking forward to Sunday - first game since Dubs match that I can attend due to other Sunday commitments and being exiled......
Our glass is more than half-full lads - Id say more like 90% ........
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Post by bishop on Mar 29, 2022 23:53:15 GMT
Lads after watching the game yesterday Shane Ryan is our undisputed number 1 goalie. We can't have a goalie that punches the ball instead of catching it, this is not soccer where a player might need a touch or 2 to control the ball before having a shot, this is gaelic football where players can use their hand and bang its a goal. This is definitely a keally tactic. I really don't understand the punching when the danger is minimal. Fair enough punch if there are alot of bodies in and around the square and the odds of a clean catch are reduced. I don't think you can be as black and white saying Ryan is the "undisputed" number 1 as I don't think he has really been tested either, he has perhaps marginally moved ahead of Murphy but we are not privy to all th stats. I always thought that Murphy was the better option given his kick out ability. McStay showed a clip on Sunday night of a "poor kick out", it was an attempt to place the ball into Tonys arms as he ran at the Tyrone goal which was intercepted by Tyrone. Had it come off it would have been a great kick and it is a type of kick out Crokes use regularly hitting Burns and White on the run. Risk/reward comes to mind. Harder to pull off such moves in the intercounty game. Kerry are struggling with kickouts which most likely stems from GK rotation, opposition press, a lack of fielding ability and from what I can see lack of an actual plan. I believe kick out strategy is more of a pressing issue than the GK himself. Super post on the kickout issues percentageplay. How many times have we stood in the Park watching murphy in county championship games ping out kickouts to the terrace side from the dressing room end, picking out Brian Looney on the run (normally after running from the opposite side of the field to get in to space). The one to Tony Brosnan was a replica kick the last day, and only finger tips from opening up the Tyrone backline. He has more kickouts in his armoury than Ryan, granted they're not coming off for him at the moment. But like you said, how many of these are down to the outfield issues like the press etc. Ryan the more commanding presence certainly, but Murphy still a better shotstopper/kickout for me. Also, the 1st half the last day, the breeze was blowing diagonally into the terrace corner on the dressing room end meaning Murphy was kicking across the breeze. It changed to the scoreboard end in the 2nd half, meaning Murphy was again kicking in to the breeze. Maybe we need to cut him a bit of slack on the kickouts (no excuse for punching that ball all alone granted, with Casey shepharding the forward from jumping) |
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Post by john4 on Mar 29, 2022 23:55:37 GMT
I think it's very important for us to win next Sunday. We have nt won a national final in 5 years. I know we shared league last year and were league winners in 2020 but there was no final. National silverware would take a bit of pressure off us as many neutrals question Kerry s belly for the big battles. It should be tight but here s hoping. I agree with this. It is important to win national titles. Whenever the opportunity presents itself you'd have to prepare probably and really go for it. I still think that unfortunately we're still missing something. Tony Brosnan has brought a little bit of devilment to the forwards in fairness, that bit of the ability to do the unexpected. But in the backs, and midfield also, I feel that we're still a bit short on being the type of streetwise pr**k you really need to be to get over the line in big games. Might come in championship. |
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Post by tonydorigo on Mar 30, 2022 7:26:45 GMT
Darragh O Sé was a bare six foot. A player from Annascaul had an enormous leap and he was only about 5' 8" or 9". Serious leap is right. Seen it up close and it was a thing of beauty! |
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Post by Corner Back on Mar 30, 2022 8:36:04 GMT
Noel Mooney from Cavan is the ref for Kerry v Mayo.
On a side note, Brendan Griffin is ref for Division 3 final between Limerick and Louth
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 30, 2022 9:38:02 GMT
Noel Mooney from Cavan is the ref for Kerry v Mayo. On a side note, Brendan Griffin is ref for Division 3 final between Limerick and Louth Ya, heard that at training last night, delighted for Brendan, very good referee, very fair and always brings the same umpires of which one is also a referee |
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Post by buck02 on Mar 30, 2022 10:31:14 GMT
Finding the correct balance for our midfield pairing and the wing forward midfielder will be key to our chances this year. It will likely depend on opposition later in the year also.
Moran/Barry/DOC
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2022 10:43:19 GMT
Noel Mooney from Cavan is the ref for Kerry v Mayo. On a side note, Brendan Griffin is ref for Division 3 final between Limerick and Louth what's noel Mooney like as a reff? |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 30, 2022 10:56:17 GMT
Noel Mooney from Cavan is the ref for Kerry v Mayo. On a side note, Brendan Griffin is ref for Division 3 final between Limerick and Louth what's noel Mooney like as a reff? Think he had the Dublin Monaghan game on Sunday and they weren't impressed. But let's see how he gets on in CP. |
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Post by The16thMan on Mar 30, 2022 11:52:20 GMT
what's noel Mooney like as a reff? Think he had the Dublin Monaghan game on Sunday and they weren't impressed. But let's see how he gets on in CP. I think the GAA have made a mistake here.. Kerry v Mayo is such a grudge match at this stage, the game needs a no nonsense ref like David Gough or someone of that quality... this isn't a game to be experimenting with refs. We had Brendan Cawley, another inexperienced ref, for the game in Tralee and he had lost control of that game by the end. |
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Post by kerryboyo on Mar 30, 2022 11:56:24 GMT
Agree with that lineup except for one. Dara Moynihan an absolute banker to start if fit. Would play 2 inside forwards, Tony over Paul. Adrian, Paudie, Dara Tony, David, Stephen yah I had moynihan out not sure if he is fit or not still a great sub if he’s not 70 minute match fit . |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2022 12:15:58 GMT
what's noel Mooney like as a reff? Think he had the Dublin Monaghan game on Sunday and they weren't impressed. But let's see how he gets on in CP. ah right, I wish him well and I hope he does a good job, I suppose new reffs need to be blooded at some stage, at least it's not McQuillan or Coldrick. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 30, 2022 12:27:27 GMT
Think he had the Dublin Monaghan game on Sunday and they weren't impressed. But let's see how he gets on in CP. I think the GAA have made a mistake here.. Kerry v Mayo is such a grudge match at this stage, the game needs a no nonsense ref like David Gough or someone of that quality... this isn't a game to be experimenting with refs. We had Brendan Cawley, another inexperienced ref, for the game in Tralee and he had lost control of that game by the end. Fair point but I think they have a real issue getting good quality refs at this level. Hopefully he has a good game s it a big deal for him too. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Mar 30, 2022 13:24:49 GMT
Finding the correct balance for our midfield pairing and the wing forward midfielder will be key to our chances this year. It will likely depend on opposition later in the year also. Moran/Barry/DOC Moran/DOC/Spillane DOC/Barry/Spillane Joe/Barry/DOC DOC/Joe/Spillane Moran/Joe/DOC another possibility. |
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on Mar 30, 2022 20:01:27 GMT
I doubt very much that Neil Morgan was aiming for Canavans midriff. I see what you mean Mick but still a small man won it and they got an important goal from it. It does nt matter how you win the ball (high or low) once you win it. If our midfielders don't win a single kickout and we win the breaking ball I'll be happy out. Rewatching Canavan winning the mark, getting space and delivering the perfect pass highlights the lack of cuteness of our team. Whoever was marking Canavan stepped back and let him deliver the quick ball into McCurry. Did anyone notice Burns winning a breaking ball in the right half back position, just at the start of extra time in the first half? He was instantly fouled by the nearest Tyrone player, when he went to ground a second Tyrone player came in and held him down and then a 3rd player stood in front of him when he stood up to take his free. During the few seconds that this took, the Tyrone defense got back into place and we had no chance of a quick counterattack. Horrendously cynical but highly effective... The only other comment I wanted to add was for "that" punch! Casey did very well to hold McCurry out and keep him from being under the ball. Longterm, I hope we'll learn more from the 1 defeat that we learnt from last year's league game! |
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Post by southward on Mar 30, 2022 20:33:26 GMT
Think he had the Dublin Monaghan game on Sunday and they weren't impressed. But let's see how he gets on in CP. I think the GAA have made a mistake here.. Kerry v Mayo is such a grudge match at this stage, the game needs a no nonsense ref like David Gough or someone of that quality... this isn't a game to be experimenting with refs. We had Brendan Cawley, another inexperienced ref, for the game in Tralee and he had lost control of that game by the end. Well at least he had the balls to call the free that relegated Dublin. No way the likes of Coldrick or McQuillan were giving that. |
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Post by exiled on Mar 30, 2022 21:36:42 GMT
I think the GAA have made a mistake here.. Kerry v Mayo is such a grudge match at this stage, the game needs a no nonsense ref like David Gough or someone of that quality... this isn't a game to be experimenting with refs. We had Brendan Cawley, another inexperienced ref, for the game in Tralee and he had lost control of that game by the end. Well at least he had the balls to call the free that relegated Dublin. No way the likes of Coldrick or McQuillan were giving that. I didn't think it was a free..if it was against us I'd be pissed off. But the Dubs won't couple of Sam's with phantom frees so a bit of Karma. |
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 30, 2022 21:51:32 GMT
True Coldrick and McQuilen unless we’re 5 or 6 points a better team then we’re not winning
Mayo v Kerry should be a good game
Mayo s poor management of AOS I think has been a thorn in their side
I think he’s been a very influential player but has been mis managed throughout his career
AH beating Mayo or Mayo beating us dosent get the pulse going because unless we can beat Tyrone we’re still under achieving .
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 30, 2022 22:03:07 GMT
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 31, 2022 0:15:22 GMT
Kingdomson its an interesting observation. I grew up in an era when we were Kings and always had an excuse when we lost but the reality is we are no longer the feared King and as a matter of fact many think we are the overhyped team that teams love to play against. Many think we are soft and until we win Sam we cannot argue against that. Just because we are Kerry does nt mean we are entitled to titles as Cork hurlers found out. We are in a new era where Dublin are the Kings of football and Limerick are the ki gs of hurling and until we win national titles that will not change.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 31, 2022 9:22:19 GMT
Jesus don't be feeding that narrative , this kerry team is on the road since 2018 really. In which time they have lost 4 games obviously.
2018 vs Galway very young team in first senior game in Croke park for a lot of them ok it was a flat performance but in the next game we showed a lot of resilience to pull off a comeback up in monaghan not easy as dublin and Galway have found out last 2 years! Was that mentally weak?
2019-lost to dublin in ai final replay after hammering mayo , drawing against Donegal with no recognised midfielder by the end of that game. We also beat Tyrone in a tight semi final ( which doesn't seem to count for some reason)we fought back in the first game against admittedly 14 men but that was the best team I have ever seen in Gaelic football
2020- unpleasantness in cork in a game played in December in the worst conditions I have ever seen maybe that was weak mentally alright.
2021- lost to Tyrone by a point after extra time Clifford gets injured and we should have taken him off as Tyrone got about 5 kickouts away handy on his side while he was injured. We showed good resilience to come back at them in extra time after being 5 or 6 down
I don't see any game there where we collapsed or really didn't perform (bar cork). Why is it always mental fragility when we lose ? Mayo collapsed against Tyrone last year as did the dubs to mayo total system failures by both. 2018 Tyrone never laid a glove on dublin which you can't say about us in any year we have played them saying a team is mentally weak is a terrible insult to our lads imo. The 70s and 80s are never coming back where there was in all honesty very few good teams , the lads above in Ulster had different priorities at the time emigration in the West made it very difficult on them. Dublin have got their house in order and are going nowhere Tyrone and mayo are similar these will be like ourselves there or there abouts probably forever football in Donegal is as bally says a lot stronger than previously. These counties have the critical mass of population the interest, financial backing and structures in place to consistently compete cork and Galway will compete sporadically and have the potential to make it a big 7 meath and kildare suffer from identity issues a lotof the people living there identity as dubs and this is generational . This is good for the game lads kerry and dublin had too much of a duopoly in the 70s and 80s great for them but I would imagine fairly crap for everyone else.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 31, 2022 9:49:33 GMT
Right or wrong my feeling in 2019 was that there was a game to go and win and we did not take the chance.
Compare with Dublin in 2011.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 31, 2022 10:33:55 GMT
Right or wrong my feeling in 2019 was that there was a game to go and win and we did not take the chance. Compare with Dublin in 2011. Fully agree with you - think the replay was worse than the drawn game though because we abandoned what worked against Dublin the first day & change of tactics cost us - also the late introduction of both Killian Spillane & Tommy Walsh was a big mistake for me - Dublins answer to Tommy was Philly & the sooner we got both on the pitch the better. |
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 31, 2022 10:42:34 GMT
Jesus don't be feeding that narrative , this kerry team is on the road since 2018 really. In which time they have lost 4 games obviously. 2018 vs Galway very young team in first senior game in Croke park for a lot of them ok it was a flat performance but in the next game we showed a lot of resilience to pull off a comeback up in monaghan not easy as dublin and Galway have found out last 2 years! Was that mentally weak? 2019-lost to dublin in ai final replay after hammering mayo , drawing against Donegal with no recognised midfielder by the end of that game. We also beat Tyrone in a tight semi final ( which doesn't seem to count for some reason)we fought back in the first game against admittedly 14 men but that was the best team I have ever seen in Gaelic football 2020- unpleasantness in cork in a game played in December in the worst conditions I have ever seen maybe that was weak mentally alright. 2021- lost to Tyrone by a point after extra time Clifford gets injured and we should have taken him off as Tyrone got about 5 kickouts away handy on his side while he was injured. We showed good resilience to come back at them in extra time after being 5 or 6 down I don't see any game there where we collapsed or really didn't perform (bar cork). Why is it always mental fragility when we lose ? Mayo collapsed against Tyrone last year as did the dubs to mayo total system failures by both. 2018 Tyrone never laid a glove on dublin which you can't say about us in any year we have played them saying a team is mentally weak is a terrible insult to our lads imo. The 70s and 80s are never coming back where there was in all honesty very few good teams , the lads above in Ulster had different priorities at the time emigration in the West made it very difficult on them. Dublin have got their house in order and are going nowhere Tyrone and mayo are similar these will be like ourselves there or there abouts probably forever football in Donegal is as bally says a lot stronger than previously. These counties have the critical mass of population the interest, financial backing and structures in place to consistently compete cork and Galway will compete sporadically and have the potential to make it a big 7 meath and kildare suffer from identity issues a lotof the people living there identity as dubs and this is generational . This is good for the game lads kerry and dublin had too much of a duopoly in the 70s and 80s great for them but I would imagine fairly crap for everyone else. I think that ‘18, 19 & 20 were all down to management & tactics. We had annihilated Cork in ‘18 & abandoned our attacking game vs Galway playing a sweeper which was the first time we employed somebody in that role; we abandoned the tactics of the drawn final in ‘19 & chose to give Dublin the restarts which left us with a mountain to climb -,we proceeded to kick high balls into the full forward line where Dublin had 3 defenders to our two forwards. The team that took on Cork in ‘20 was defensively minded ( OBeaglaoich @ 10), a debutant wing forward ( Ronan Buckley) & played to Cork’s strengths, not ours - admittedly the conditions were horrendous but we got drawn into an arm wrestle which was entirely of our own making. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 31, 2022 10:43:44 GMT
Right or wrong my feeling in 2019 was that there was a game to go and win and we did not take the chance. Compare with Dublin in 2011. Fully agree with you - think the replay was worse than the drawn game though because we abandoned what worked against Dublin the first day & change of tactics cost us - also the late introduction of both Killian Spillane & Tommy Walsh was a big mistake for me - Dublins answer to Tommy was Philly & the sooner we got both on the pitch the better. I have mentally wiped the replay. All I seem to remember is Geaney playing very well in the first half. I think it is head in the sand stuff to say there aren't questions about Kerry's mentality or rather performance on these days when they lose. |
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Post by veteran on Mar 31, 2022 10:57:12 GMT
Jesus don't be feeding that narrative , this kerry team is on the road since 2018 really. In which time they have lost 4 games obviously. 2018 vs Galway very young team in first senior game in Croke park for a lot of them ok it was a flat performance but in the next game we showed a lot of resilience to pull off a comeback up in monaghan not easy as dublin and Galway have found out last 2 years! Was that mentally weak? 2019-lost to dublin in ai final replay after hammering mayo , drawing against Donegal with no recognised midfielder by the end of that game. We also beat Tyrone in a tight semi final ( which doesn't seem to count for some reason)we fought back in the first game against admittedly 14 men but that was the best team I have ever seen in Gaelic football 2020- unpleasantness in cork in a game played in December in the worst conditions I have ever seen maybe that was weak mentally alright. 2021- lost to Tyrone by a point after extra time Clifford gets injured and we should have taken him off as Tyrone got about 5 kickouts away handy on his side while he was injured. We showed good resilience to come back at them in extra time after being 5 or 6 down I don't see any game there where we collapsed or really didn't perform (bar cork). Why is it always mental fragility when we lose ? Mayo collapsed against Tyrone last year as did the dubs to mayo total system failures by both. 2018 Tyrone never laid a glove on dublin which you can't say about us in any year we have played them saying a team is mentally weak is a terrible insult to our lads imo. The 70s and 80s are never coming back where there was in all honesty very few good teams , the lads above in Ulster had different priorities at the time emigration in the West made it very difficult on them. Dublin have got their house in order and are going nowhere Tyrone and mayo are similar these will be like ourselves there or there abouts probably forever football in Donegal is as bally says a lot stronger than previously. These counties have the critical mass of population the interest, financial backing and structures in place to consistently compete cork and Galway will compete sporadically and have the potential to make it a big 7 meath and kildare suffer from identity issues a lotof the people living there identity as dubs and this is generational . This is good for the game lads kerry and dublin had too much of a duopoly in the 70s and 80s great for them but I would imagine fairly crap for everyone else. Fine post dc 84 |
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 31, 2022 12:54:44 GMT
Kingdomson its an interesting observation. I grew up in an era when we were Kings and always had an excuse when we lost but the reality is we are no longer the feared King and as a matter of fact many think we are the overhyped team that teams love to play against. Many think we are soft and until we win Sam we cannot argue against that. Just because we are Kerry does nt mean we are entitled to titles as Cork hurlers found out. We are in a new era where Dublin are the Kings of football and Limerick are the ki gs of hurling and until we win national titles that will not change. Maybe its the golden years team that is overhyped. Connacht went without an All Ireland for 32 years prior to 1998. They was a war in Ulster for roughly the same period. Having said that, since 2014 Kerry have lost many close games in the championship that we 'coulda shoulda' won. |
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Post by dano on Mar 31, 2022 14:42:47 GMT
There's a bit of truth in all posters' views here I think. A win Sunday, after a tough game, will go a long way in exorcising some of the ghosts.
Joe Brolly and Cavanagh will then tell us (should Kerry win) that we only beat Munster or Connaught oposition. Jack knows that the only way to silence our critics is with, League, Munster and All Ireland wins,. Back to back first and then onwards and upwards from there.
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