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Post by dc84 on Apr 9, 2022 9:37:08 GMT
What intercounty player would go out to lose a match not to mind a final it goes against everything that has got them there.
This whole thing of not showing their hand is crazy what it has shown is that there squad which horan has been lauded for building isnt that strong. They will be a tougher opposition if we meet them again as well as David Clifford getting way too much space mayo put an out of form Stephen Coen on him paudie is quick enough and my own nickname for him is perpetual motion
He just burnt Coen an oisin Mullin or Durcan would not have been as obliging one feels and paudie was central to a lot of the good we did last Sunday. On their forwards well the o connors would make a big difference but not enough you feel Tom sull was never going to give it easy to o donoghue and their half forwards are not great. I feel we have built greater depth than them as we have integrated lads better if for example our first choice half backline was missing we would have options Gavin Crowley, Murphy (if fit), graham sullivan or Tom to move to wb now not as good as the starters better than mayos id wager.
If horan was playing silly beggars well he ended up looking silly.
On their full backline thats twice in this league we have taken them to the cleaners id be worried about that if I was a mayo fan o hora is super fit and very committed but he isn't a top class man marker , keegan is passed his best people thinking he at 32 or 33 can mark David Clifford are delusional imo geaney took him for 4 last Sunday and David is a different proposition altogether
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 9, 2022 9:45:48 GMT
Both Galway and Mayo are claiming they were keeping their powder dry, well we'll see soon enough which one had the better game plan.
I fancy Galway to half create an upset and take Mayo. Regardless, I think the Rossies under Cunningham will take them both
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 9, 2022 12:01:49 GMT
Keith Duggan: Curtailing Clifford’s genius will top agenda for Kerry’s rivals
No championship contender can afford to give Kingdom star any latitude
about 7 hours ago
Keith Duggan
In Kerry, they don’t go in much for April rhapsodies. But what’s the point of all this genuflection before the old art of Gaelic football if you can’t sometimes just allow yourself to smile and enjoy it all? Last Sunday, in Croke Park, David Clifford made them smile. Just when they thought they had seen it all.
What a show. What a treat.
Yes, it’s a dark time out there with bad news heaped upon worse but when they tune into the headlines in Kerry and hear talk about a possible recession, they will shake their heads and explain that the recession has been ongoing since early 2015.
Oil shortages and crop yields are the yardsticks by which the world measures economic vitality but deep in the Kerry shires and along its gorgeous, battered coastline, prosperity has always been measured in the ability of its football team to bring the famous big silver cup home.
No All-Ireland since 2014 and the appalling vista of an unstoppable parade by Dublin, their nemesis, into the history books of six All-Irelands; do not talk about austerity.
And then, when Dublin finally fell, the fresh hell of last August; up against a Tyrone team half-stricken with illness, dragged into the netherworld of extra time; Clifford exiting with injury. Ultimately beaten and forced to watch as the most slippery Ulster side of them all win an All-Ireland that Kerry had banked on. The 38th title is proving elusive.
Through this turbulent period, David Clifford has emerged from boy king to the real-achieved thing. On Sunday, he turned what would have been a horribly lopsided league final into a performance art.
Kerry seem to specialise on producing, every generation or so, a player who transcends even the best of his generation to stand as a totem of all that Kerry football believes itself to be.
There’s a great story by Conor O’Clery in which he recalls a visit to the west of Ireland during his time as a Moscow correspondent for The Irish Times in the 1980s. He bumps into a farmer and they start chatting and, in the way of things, the local man soon discovers O’Clery’s business.
“Is it true collectivism is fu**ed?” he asks. It remains a brilliant question with no clean answer except, perhaps: not as long as Kerry are fielding football teams. Yes, they love freedom of expression on the field but don’t kid yourself that Kerry football has been anything other than a form of collectivism. The ideal and the team has always triumphed over the individual.
Razor wit
There’s a beautiful immodesty in the way that Kerry football people unself-consciously refer to 1970s/80s epoch of serial All-Ireland wins as the Golden Years, as though the sunshine was general all over Ireland. Yes, those teams were laden with fabulous distinctive characters; you all know the cast. But it was the entity that was celebrated; the flow of 15 in green and gold, scything through all comers.
Still. Every so often comes a player who seems to find a new way to express the possibilities of the old game. The last quarter century has been a rich harvest. Maurice Fitzgerald. Colm Cooper. Those names became synonymous with certain summers and given moments. David Clifford now seems a blend of both; the razor wit and speed of vintage Cooper with the sumptuous, stoner effortless grace with which Fitzgerald played the game.
On Sunday, on a desolate and windy afternoon in Croke Park, the extravagance of his repertoire became apparent. It was as good as it gets – in every sense, because there is no way that Clifford will be permitted that kind of room to roam in a championship Croke Park environment by Mayo or any other county.
Even as sports fans settled back realising that the result didn’t matter; that they could just sit back and enjoy the sight of a natural playing for the pure joy of it, came the realisation that they might not get to see this again. The contradiction of the joy of watching Clifford play is that he is too good to be allowed play.
And the analysts will tut-tut that the Mayo management left Pádraig O’Hora to mark Clifford one-on-one and the serially outraged will take to twitter to crib about O’Hora mouthing off to Clifford. But that stuff is just noise.
Whatever Mayo get right or get wrong this summer, they are shrewd enough to know that if they are to beat Kerry in Croke Park this year, April is not the time to do it. Showing nothing of themselves was their chief tactic in this game.
So Clifford was left to run amok against his marker and it was beautiful and merciless and for all the banal social media dingo-pack attacks on O’Hora on Sunday night, it took courage to stick honestly to what was an impossible task.
Clifford has an edge in height, physique and speed on most defenders. Give him the ball and a yard of grass and this is what happens. The thing nobody has mentioned about that goal; O’Hora declined the easy option of dragging his opponent to the ground, receiving a second yellow and ending the torture.
There’s always been a touch of Chief Brody about the way Jack O’Connor manages Kerry football teams. He’s alive to the dangers and signs while all around him is summer bliss, always looking out to sea for the shark. The obligation to win senior All-Irelands in Kerry is relentless. But you could tell that Jack was happy in the moment at the final whistle on Sunday; yes, because the team looked in good fettle but also, isn’t it great to get to see something like that? To be a part of it?
GAA stars are shielded from the public nowadays and they are shielded from the media. The age of storytelling is over. Any interview with Clifford has been brief and utterly inconsequential. But when he made his speech on Sunday, he spoke with a low assurance and had the poise and eloquence to pay tribute to Red Óg Murphy, the talented young Sligo player whose death had been announced a few days before.
Clifford himself is only 23. He’s starting out on his career. His first child was born on the evening that Kerry lost to Tyrone last summer. Even if he wasn’t a once-in-a-lifetime Gaelic footballer he’d stand out in the crowd. It must be a strange kind of privilege to find himself where he now stands: a touchstone for the Kerry tradition.
The big shame, of course, is that Clifford will all but disappear for two months now. Kerry will not play a meaningful game until the All-Ireland quarter finals come round on the last weekend in June. It’s a bit like holding a World Cup and arranging it so that nobody gets to see Messi until the last week of the competition.
By the time he returns to the theatre, all remaining teams will have armed themselves with a series of defensive strategies designed purely to limit his chances to shine. The best compliment that the game can pay David Clifford is that the rest are terrified of ever letting him play like that again.
But can they stop him? It’s the question around which the summer football carnival will spin.
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Post by Jo90 on Apr 9, 2022 18:36:55 GMT
Very downbeat up in Mayo way last week, they didn't even really want to discuss it, some said that they were embarrassed, Horan is not the man for the job anymore, as they say, you should never go back again. Why bother with the trip? the Mayo blog testifies to this general consensus up there, the students, think they'll never win anything, I don't know. I felt sorry for them. I know they were missing a few, but I don't buy this narrative that they were not bothered in a final, finals are there to be won, remember Mayo have only won 2 League Finals since 2001 of men's senior national silverware, so it's not as if they can have a A la carte, mentslity, like a child to pick and choose, going into a sweetshop without money. It doesn't cut the mustard. Whatever about the really bad All-Ireland final loses in 2004 and 2006 to us, I think, out of the three with last Sunday's, this was by far and away their worst showing, it could and should have been a 23 point defeat. Galway and especially Roscommon supporters around me, were delighted in them failing. I felt for Mayo. One can be lonely in a crowd. You want Jack O'Connor out already? |
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Post by thepromisedland on Apr 9, 2022 22:03:32 GMT
Very downbeat up in Mayo way last week, they didn't even really want to discuss it, some said that they were embarrassed, Horan is not the man for the job anymore, as they say, you should never go back again. Why bother with the trip? the Mayo blog testifies to this general consensus up there, the students, think they'll never win anything, I don't know. I felt sorry for them. I know they were missing a few, but I don't buy this narrative that they were not bothered in a final, finals are there to be won, remember Mayo have only won 2 League Finals since 2001 of men's senior national silverware, so it's not as if they can have a A la carte, mentslity, like a child to pick and choose, going into a sweetshop without money. It doesn't cut the mustard. Whatever about the really bad All-Ireland final loses in 2004 and 2006 to us, I think, out of the three with last Sunday's, this was by far and away their worst showing, it could and should have been a 23 point defeat. Galway and especially Roscommon supporters around me, were delighted in them failing. I felt for Mayo. One can be lonely in a crowd. You want Jack O'Connor out already? Never said I did, but in most situations in life, be it love or sport, going back a second time never really works out, I know this from personal experience. This is Jack's fourth stint with us, has worked out twice, so he would be an exception here. I think he has been brilliant for us so far, more organised, players are more assured of their roles and we have that little bit more steel and grit about us, that we haven't had in many years. The championship will be the clincher or not. Time will tell. I do get the impression though, that he's under enormous pressure to deliver. |
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Post by thepromisedland on Apr 9, 2022 22:04:16 GMT
You want Jack O'Connor out already? Never said I did, but in most situations in life, be it love or sport, going back a second time never really works out, I know this from personal experience. This is Jack's fourth stint with us, has worked out twice, so he would be an exception here. I think he has been brilliant for us so far, more organised, players are more assured of their roles and we have that little bit more steel and grit about us, that we haven't had in many years. The championship will be the clincher or not. Time will tell. I do get the impression though, that he's under enormous pressure to deliver. I meant your highlighted point more towards James Horan. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Apr 9, 2022 22:40:32 GMT
You want Jack O'Connor out already? Never said I did, but in most situations in life, be it love or sport, going back a second time never really works out, I know this from personal experience. This is Jack's fourth stint with us, has worked out twice, so he would be an exception here. I think he has been brilliant for us so far, more organised, players are more assured of their roles and we have that little bit more steel and grit about us, that we haven't had in many years. The championship will be the clincher or not. Time will tell. I do get the impression though, that he's under enormous pressure to deliver. just a correction. This is Jack's 3 Rd stint with us not 4th.Hr came back for 2nd term 09 to 12.I was not happy with Jack's return this time but in fairness he has de lived us a league title. However I will not be satisfied unless we win the all ireland this year. I felt Jack got lucky in 09 where until quarter final we struggled big time. Also in 11 I felt Jack lost us All ireland trying to defend a lead and again was found wanting in 10 and 2012 in particular when both Cork and Donegal outplayed us. I also felt he flattered to deceive with Kildare. Now he has delivered the league but to be totally honest I'm not fully convinced yet. Sometimes victory hides the weaknesses. I though we were very poor v Kildare and v Donegal for long periods. I though we were lucky v Mayo in Tralee and average v Tyrone in Killarney. We got the luck v Dubs. The only two games I though we really did well in were Monaghan and Armagh in the round games Obviously we were superb in the final but against a very weakened Mayo team. So eventhough we lwague champs I'm still not shouting from the rafters. I'm cautious and not totally convinced yet. |
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Post by southward on Apr 9, 2022 22:45:45 GMT
Never said I did, but in most situations in life, be it love or sport, going back a second time never really works out, I know this from personal experience. This is Jack's fourth stint with us, has worked out twice, so he would be an exception here. I think he has been brilliant for us so far, more organised, players are more assured of their roles and we have that little bit more steel and grit about us, that we haven't had in many years. The championship will be the clincher or not. Time will tell. I do get the impression though, that he's under enormous pressure to deliver. just a correction. This is Jack's 3 Rd stint with us not 4th.Hr came back for 2nd term 09 to 12.I was not happy with Jack's return this time but in fairness he has de lived us a league title. However I will not be satisfied unless we win the all ireland this year. I felt Jack got lucky in 09 where until quarter final we struggled big time. Also in 11 I felt Jack lost us All ireland trying to defend a lead and again was found wanting in 10 and 2012 in particular when both Cork and Donegal outplayed us. I also felt he flattered to deceive with Kildare. Now he has delivered the league but to be totally honest I'm not fully convinced yet. Sometimes victory hides the weaknesses. I though we were very poor v Kildare and v Donegal for long periods. I though we were lucky v Mayo in Tralee and average v Tyrone in Killarney. We got the luck v Dubs. The only two games I though we really did well in were Monaghan and Armagh in the round games
Obviously we were superb in the final but against a very weakened Mayo team. So eventhough we lwague champs I'm still not shouting from the rafters. I'm cautious and not totally convinced yet. Yeah, Mick, we were total muck this season. Poxed not to be relegated, really. Other counties laughing at us. Dunno how David Clifford got on the panel either. Must know somebody. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 10, 2022 9:18:12 GMT
Ah Mick,
I wasn't keen on Jack's return but you are being very very harsh and unfairly so.
The league was nearly perfect and I honestly don't agree with any of your points.
1 - We were the only team to get anything in Newbridge albeit playing poorly.
2 - It was the Dubs that were lucky and not us. A dry night and it would have been a hiding.
3 - Donegal didn't leave their 45 and again played in a storm.
4 - Mayo arguably may have been a draw but they were not better than us again in a storm.
Honestly you are well wide of the mark with your assessment.
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Post by ciarraimick on Apr 10, 2022 9:40:48 GMT
Ah Mick, I wasn't keen on Jack's return but you are being very very harsh and unfairly so. The league was nearly perfect and I honestly don't agree with any of your points. 1 - We were the only team to get anything in Newbridge albeit playing poorly. 2 - It was the Dubs that were lucky and not us. A dry night and it would have been a hiding. 3 - Donegal didn't leave their 45 and again played in a storm. 4 - Mayo arguably may have been a draw but they were not better than us again in a storm. Honestly you are well wide of the mark with your assessment. Maybe so but unless we win Sam I won't be convinced. People have short memories sometimes. Are we forgetting Kildare game. Check out the forum after Donegal game Most thought at half time we were goosed because of wind in 3nd half I'm just giving a practical view. Maybe biased I admit as I'm not a fan of Jack's but cest lá vie. If we win Sam then I will admit I'm wrong but I don't think Kerry should be blinded by our league victory. |
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 10, 2022 9:42:07 GMT
"I'm cautious and not totally convinced yet" says ciarraimick. Wise words.
Jack has played his hand very well so far. I would quibble with rotating the keepers but surely its settled now.
There are lots of things for Kerry to get right yet.
Its still a work in progress but the curve is heading upwards.
Many a slip twixt cup and the Kerry captain yet.
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Post by ciarraimick on Apr 10, 2022 10:11:36 GMT
"I'm cautious and not totally convinced yet" says ciarraimick. Wise words. Jack has played his hand very well so far. I would quibble with rotating the keepers but surely its settled now. There are lots of things for Kerry to get right yet. Its still a work in progress but the curve is heading upwards. Many a slip twixt cup and the Kerry captain yet. Thanks Mick. Oh look I hope I'm wrong. I really do! Overall I'm happy enough. The Goalkeeper issue has to be sorted and the rotating keepers did nt help the keepers or the midfielders. Not overly convinced on midfield yet and a bit worried our scoring threat has lessened although the last day v Mayo I loved the way the forwards played. I ve been adamant for a while that David Clifford and Geaney should be left as close to the opposing goal as possible where they can do damage and the last day it finally happened. I hope it continues Neither David or Geaney are good tacklers and if they back in our defense they are wasting precious energy that the need up front. We have 12 others that can do that. The backs I'm am thrilled with I must admit especially the 3 and 6 axis. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Apr 10, 2022 10:15:47 GMT
just a correction. This is Jack's 3 Rd stint with us not 4th.Hr came back for 2nd term 09 to 12.I was not happy with Jack's return this time but in fairness he has de lived us a league title. However I will not be satisfied unless we win the all ireland this year. I felt Jack got lucky in 09 where until quarter final we struggled big time. Also in 11 I felt Jack lost us All ireland trying to defend a lead and again was found wanting in 10 and 2012 in particular when both Cork and Donegal outplayed us. I also felt he flattered to deceive with Kildare. Now he has delivered the league but to be totally honest I'm not fully convinced yet. Sometimes victory hides the weaknesses. I though we were very poor v Kildare and v Donegal for long periods. I though we were lucky v Mayo in Tralee and average v Tyrone in Killarney. We got the luck v Dubs. The only two games I though we really did well in were Monaghan and Armagh in the round games
Obviously we were superb in the final but against a very weakened Mayo team. So eventhough we lwague champs I'm still not shouting from the rafters. I'm cautious and not totally convinced yet. Yeah, Mick, we were total muck this season. Poxed not to be relegated, really. Other counties laughing at us. Dunno how David Clifford got on the panel either. Must know somebody. That's a silly reply Southward as you well know I never said we were muck or should be relegated. I'm just giving my opinion and yes I might be wrong. I hope I'm proved wrong. I understand you backing up your fellow South kerry man but we all entitled to our opinions |
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Post by southward on Apr 10, 2022 10:29:16 GMT
Yeah, Mick, we were total muck this season. Poxed not to be relegated, really. Other counties laughing at us. Dunno how David Clifford got on the panel either. Must know somebody. That's a silly reply Southward as you well know I never said we were muck or should be relegated. I'm just giving my opinion and yes I might be wrong. I hope I'm proved wrong. I understand you backing up your fellow South kerry man but we all entitled to our opinions"fellow South Kerry Man" - I assume you mean Jack? Firstly, I never mentioned him. Secondly, I'm not South Kerry. I agree, we're all entitled to our opinions. And mine is that there's a difference between sensible caution and unrelenting negativity. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 10, 2022 10:39:41 GMT
Look at the positives,
Played half the league without Seanie.
Started 2 games without David.
Missed Gavin White for the whole league bar the final.
Found real options in the FB line.
For an answer to CB.
Found another option upfront in Brosnan.
Won tight games that we previously lost.
Lots of positives.
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Post by dc84 on Apr 10, 2022 10:42:54 GMT
I don't see how anyone could find huge fault in what we are doing so far to be honest we are going grand is it 15 point wins in everygame lads are looking for? Bit disrespectful to the other teams if it is!
By any metric We had a good league top of table , won the final well top scorers lowest conceded only one goal from play conceded.
Who would you rather be dublin struggling badly mayo after getting humiliated by us or Tyrone losing squad members weekly?
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Post by thehermit on Apr 10, 2022 10:58:06 GMT
Both Galway and Mayo are claiming they were keeping their powder dry, well we'll see soon enough which one had the better game plan. I fancy Galway to half create an upset and take Mayo. Regardless, I think the Rossies under Cunningham will take them both Roscommon looked impressive up close last week alright Horse, esp their midfield. To be honest that D2 final was of a far higher standard than the game the followed it in terms of the intensity and scoring skills displayed by both sides. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Apr 10, 2022 11:28:20 GMT
I don't see how anyone could find huge fault in what we are doing so far to be honest we are going grand is it 15 point wins in everygame lads are looking for? Bit disrespectful to the other teams if it is! By any metric We had a good league top of table , won the final well top scorers lowest conceded only one goal from play conceded. Who would you rather be dublin struggling badly mayo after getting humiliated by us or Tyrone losing squad members weekly? I'm not finding huge fault Dc. I'm asking for caution. We won the league the last 2 years and we fell in the championship.I'm happy enough but I'm wary.Many think Kerry have Sam won already. I don't but that's just my opinion. |
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Post by dc84 on Apr 10, 2022 18:13:47 GMT
I don't see how anyone could find huge fault in what we are doing so far to be honest we are going grand is it 15 point wins in everygame lads are looking for? Bit disrespectful to the other teams if it is! By any metric We had a good league top of table , won the final well top scorers lowest conceded only one goal from play conceded. Who would you rather be dublin struggling badly mayo after getting humiliated by us or Tyrone losing squad members weekly? I'm not finding huge fault Dc. I'm asking for caution. We won the league the last 2 years and we fell in the championship.I'm happy enough but I'm wary.Many think Kerry have Sam won already. I don't but that's just my opinion. Of course we don't its only the league I just enjoy it for what is like going to a restaurant the starter bodes fairly well but the tip will be dependant on the main course! Like the last couple years we have flattered a bit in the league but come up short in the big one the league game vs dublin in hindsight was a precursor to losing to Tyrone well in the game but goals conceded killed us , we havent been as open in the league and that augurs well for later. However it is just the league and will ultimately mean very little if we don't win the big one. I am like most kerry people cautiously optimistic right now. |
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Post by Tadhgeen on Apr 10, 2022 19:27:31 GMT
Congratulations to Kerry on winning a National title. We were certainly the best team in the league, so well deserved.
However we are far from the complete article. We have massive improvement to make from Goalkeeper out to the full forward line if we are to challenge and win the AI.
It is absolute madness to start thinking that we will an All Ireland based on league performances which have been pleasing on the eye but championship as we know is a completely different ball game.
Let’s play devils advocate for a minute.
Our goalie position although improving has not been nailed down and is inconsistent. Let’s put it this way are the Shane’s as good as Cluxton?
Jason Foley has had a great league and so has Morley but what happens if either gets injured?
On here people are talking about Graham Sullivan, Dan Donoghue and Dylan Casey as if they were seasoned and hardened chsmpuonship veterans. They are newbies and there is a risk there.
At times our midfield has been torn apart during the league and our wing backs and forwards have been at sixes and sevens picking up loose ball in the middle third.
Sean O Shea has in my opinion been more of an influence to the overall game performance than D Clifford over the course of the league. I think David is getting massively bigged up and he is such a uniquely brilliant player it’s difficult not to. However I think his % strike rate is probably down overall in this league campaign plus he has been turned over quite a bit.
Brosnan is not the finished article yet and can flit in and out of games. Geaney has had a reasonable league but for me he struggles getting back and seems to get frustrated on turnover although his work rate has improved.
Joe o Connor is inexperienced and relatively untried at this level.
Dara M is a bit small for kick outs and this can be a problem although he does work hard and is starting to win dirty ball around the middle.
D Moran has not got any league time.
The line are a bit slow sometimes to make a change.
Tyrone showed us where we are at and not Mayo.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 10, 2022 19:54:18 GMT
The last time Tyrone won the league, Cormac McAnallen RIP was captain. They have been in only one final since.
Some counties don't seem to prioritise winning it.
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Post by thepromisedland on Apr 10, 2022 21:55:04 GMT
Never said I did, but in most situations in life, be it love or sport, going back a second time never really works out, I know this from personal experience. This is Jack's fourth stint with us, has worked out twice, so he would be an exception here. I think he has been brilliant for us so far, more organised, players are more assured of their roles and we have that little bit more steel and grit about us, that we haven't had in many years. The championship will be the clincher or not. Time will tell. I do get the impression though, that he's under enormous pressure to deliver. just a correction. This is Jack's 3 Rd stint with us not 4th.Hr came back for 2nd term 09 to 12.I was not happy with Jack's return this time but in fairness he has de lived us a league title. However I will not be satisfied unless we win the all ireland this year. I felt Jack got lucky in 09 where until quarter final we struggled big time. Also in 11 I felt Jack lost us All ireland trying to defend a lead and again was found wanting in 10 and 2012 in particular when both Cork and Donegal outplayed us. I also felt he flattered to deceive with Kildare. Now he has delivered the league but to be totally honest I'm not fully convinced yet. Sometimes victory hides the weaknesses. I though we were very poor v Kildare and v Donegal for long periods. I though we were lucky v Mayo in Tralee and average v Tyrone in Killarney. We got the luck v Dubs. The only two games I though we really did well in were Monaghan and Armagh in the round games Obviously we were superb in the final but against a very weakened Mayo team. So eventhough we lwague champs I'm still not shouting from the rafters. I'm cautious and not totally convinced yet. Correction made, it is only his third stint, got mixed up. I agree with all posters, we should be cautiously optimistic, but we cannot control the future of this team and panel and the managerial aspect of it,let tge future control itself, so let's enjoy and live in the moment, we won the League, equalled the last league history made in the 1970's by our Kerry teams back then, 3 in a row. Let's enjoy it! |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 11, 2022 5:44:29 GMT
The negatrons if not sincere are protecting themselves from disappointment.
I know I fear the prospect of more disappointment. Dare to dream is high stakes.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 11, 2022 7:13:08 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 11, 2022 7:26:53 GMT
The negatrons if not sincere are protecting themselves from disappointment. I know I fear the prospect of more disappointment. Dare to dream is high stakes. Negatron....great word....never heard of it before. I had to look it up. I read an article last week about "Toxic Positivity"...another new one on me, but captures perfectly the over the top reaction to Kerry winning the league in 2020 and 2021. I remember prior to last years semi final trying to argue that Tyrone could beat Kerry but i was shut up by someone telling me to go watch Tipperary if i wanted to understand what Tyrone were like. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Apr 11, 2022 9:00:46 GMT
The negatrons if not sincere are protecting themselves from disappointment. I know I fear the prospect of more disappointment. Dare to dream is high stakes. Negatron....great word....never heard of it before. I had to look it up. I read an article last week about "Toxic Positivity"...another new one on me, but captures perfectly the over the top reaction to Kerry winning the league in 2020 and 2021. I remember prior to last years semi final trying to argue that Tyrone could beat Kerry but i was shut up by someone telling me to go watch Tipperary if i wanted to understand what Tyrone were like. I too was very worried about Tyrone last year and I remember saying if we lose it will not be an ambush.An ambush is an unexpected attack.many of us expected a Tyrone attack and were not surprised at the outcome. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Apr 11, 2022 9:05:44 GMT
The negatrons if not sincere are protecting themselves from disappointment. I know I fear the prospect of more disappointment. Dare to dream is high stakes. I know what you mean and maybe there is a small bit of truth in it.I just have a fear.the fear is because I feel Kerry have had the players to win the all Ireland the last three years. Maybe 19 was a learning curve but we messed up in 2020 and last year imo.I feel this year we have the tools to win and are in pole position but once again I have certain concerns which I have already highlighted. |
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Post by veteran on Apr 11, 2022 10:43:02 GMT
Congratulations to Kerry on winning a National title. We were certainly the best team in the league, so well deserved. However we are far from the complete article. We have massive improvement to make from Goalkeeper out to the full forward line if we are to challenge and win the AI. It is absolute madness to start thinking that we will an All Ireland based on league performances which have been pleasing on the eye but championship as we know is a completely different ball game. Let’s play devils advocate for a minute. Our goalie position although improving has not been nailed down and is inconsistent. Let’s put it this way are the Shane’s as good as Cluxton? Jason Foley has had a great league and so has Morley but what happens if either gets injured? On here people are talking about Graham Sullivan, Dan Donoghue and Dylan Casey as if they were seasoned and hardened chsmpuonship veterans. They are newbies and there is a risk there. At times our midfield has been torn apart during the league and our wing backs and forwards have been at sixes and sevens picking up loose ball in the middle third. Sean O Shea has in my opinion been more of an influence to the overall game performance than D Clifford over the course of the league. I think David is getting massively bigged up and he is such a uniquely brilliant player it’s difficult not to. However I think his % strike rate is probably down overall in this league campaign plus he has been turned over quite a bit. Brosnan is not the finished article yet and can flit in and out of games. Geaney has had a reasonable league but for me he struggles getting back and seems to get frustrated on turnover although his work rate has improved. Joe o Connor is inexperienced and relatively untried at this level. Dara M is a bit small for kick outs and this can be a problem although he does work hard and is starting to win dirty ball around the middle. D Moran has not got any league time. The line are a bit slow sometimes to make a change. Tyrone showed us where we are at and not Mayo. I can understand the devil’s advocate angle but I hope no Kerry supporter prone to depression reads this post! |
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Post by veteran on Apr 11, 2022 10:53:05 GMT
Congratulations to Kerry on winning a National title. We were certainly the best team in the league, so well deserved. However we are far from the complete article. We have massive improvement to make from Goalkeeper out to the full forward line if we are to challenge and win the AI. It is absolute madness to start thinking that we will an All Ireland based on league performances which have been pleasing on the eye but championship as we know is a completely different ball game. Let’s play devils advocate for a minute. Our goalie position although improving has not been nailed down and is inconsistent. Let’s put it this way are the Shane’s as good as Cluxton? Jason Foley has had a great league and so has Morley but what happens if either gets injured? On here people are talking about Graham Sullivan, Dan Donoghue and Dylan Casey as if they were seasoned and hardened chsmpuonship veterans. They are newbies and there is a risk there. At times our midfield has been torn apart during the league and our wing backs and forwards have been at sixes and sevens picking up loose ball in the middle third. Sean O Shea has in my opinion been more of an influence to the overall game performance than D Clifford over the course of the league. I think David is getting massively bigged up and he is such a uniquely brilliant player it’s difficult not to. However I think his % strike rate is probably down overall in this league campaign plus he has been turned over quite a bit. Brosnan is not the finished article yet and can flit in and out of games. Geaney has had a reasonable league but for me he struggles getting back and seems to get frustrated on turnover although his work rate has improved. Joe o Connor is inexperienced and relatively untried at this level. Dara M is a bit small for kick outs and this can be a problem although he does work hard and is starting to win dirty ball around the middle. D Moran has not got any league time. The line are a bit slow sometimes to make a change. Tyrone showed us where we are at and not Mayo. I can understand the devil’s advocate angle but I can understand the devil’s advocate angle but I hope no Kerry supporter prone to depression reads this post! |
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Post by thepromisedland on Apr 11, 2022 11:20:47 GMT
I can understand the devil’s advocate angle but I hope no Kerry supporter prone to depression reads this post! As I said, Tadgheen's devils advocate write up, I can completely understand, but this is not the championship, this is the league, it's all we've got to go on, tge championship will happen when it happens, we will worry about that then, as it's a different competition. Let's celebrate the now, the seismic history equalling 3 in a row, not done by us since the mid 1970's, this seems to have been lost on many. Let's enjoy the now, and with our wonderful Ladies yesterday winning, getting back up to Division 1 of the League for the Spring 2023, third time lucky, because of covid and the LGFA powers that be, the girls finally did it. I'm thrilled for them. Double celebration, not a bad Easter for that. Our ascension into our Kingdom of Heaven will hopefully continue after our crucifixion last year to Tyrone. |
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