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Post by decondd2 on Apr 6, 2022 6:33:20 GMT
Not sure if it's been mentioned already, but Jordan Flynn suffered a Broken ankle and is probably gone for the championship. Barry was very lucky not to see red for the lateness of his tackle. Watched it again. Couldn't disagree more. Barry wasn't that late at all in real time. He was coming in to challenge Flynn, who flicked the ball over his head. Barry turned and braced for contact and Flynn ran full speed into him. This all happened in a split second. Slow motion replays now make every act on a football field seem deliberate. Barry's other option was to let himself be bulldozed. Now by bracing he had deliberately stopped Flynn from progressing which is a black card. But it wasn't dangerous play and the fact that Flynn is injured is very unfortunate. Nobody is calling for Burns to be red carded when the same thing happened between himself and O'Hora because O'Hora didn't get injured and popped straight up. Red cards are for dangerous and reckless acts, not for collisions between two players going at full speed. Likewise it's crazy to see people saying Ryan O'Donoghue should have been sent off. When O'Donoghue starts to extent his arms, Gavin White is away from the ball, but White is just so quick.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 6, 2022 7:39:35 GMT
Barry was very lucky not to see red for the lateness of his tackle. Watched it again. Couldn't disagree more. Barry wasn't that late at all in real time. He was coming in to challenge Flynn, who flicked the ball over his head. Barry turned and braced for contact and Flynn ran full speed into him. This all happened in a split second. Slow motion replays now make every act on a football field seem deliberate. Barry's other option was to let himself be bulldozed. Now by bracing he had deliberately stopped Flynn from progressing which is a black card. But it wasn't dangerous play and the fact that Flynn is injured is very unfortunate. Nobody is calling for Burns to be red carded when the same thing happened between himself and O'Hora because O'Hora didn't get injured and popped straight up. Red cards are for dangerous and reckless acts, not for collisions between two players going at full speed. Likewise it's crazy to see people saying Ryan O'Donoghue should have been sent off. When O'Donoghue starts to extent his arms, Gavin White is away from the ball, but White is just so quick. That's what I thought was clear also, and there have been lots of similar instances that were closer to that line that didn't get referee attention. Jack only defended himself and isn't there a rule that you don't have to get out of the way, i.e. stand your ground.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 6, 2022 7:44:55 GMT
I must watch it again but i felt JB moved towards Flynn to do a shoulder to shoulder but Flynn saw him coming and pop the ball over his head.
Suddenly, a fair shoulder becomes either a yellow, black or red because Flynn had released the ball a second earlier.
Its something JB needs to watch. He could have got a red v Monaghan. He put in a late tackle in one of the league games (Dublin game maybe not sure).
He did a brilliant but of defending on the D against Aiden oShea in the first half..a lot of his good work can go unnoticed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2022 8:32:31 GMT
Barry probably should have got a black card. While not overly cynical, he could have avoided the degree of contact. It is a real pity for Flynn however.
Rod went for a ball that was there to be won. This differs from tackles where there is no ball and the objective is to stop the man whether by fair means or foul. The Small incident was reckless as the intent was to hammer the Mayo player. It was close to being a fair tackle but players need to less reckless in these matters
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 6, 2022 8:42:47 GMT
This forum is for the discussion of Kerry GAA matters.
Stray off that topic and you'll be gone.
Scary stuff. I couldn't give a fiddler's. I'll miss all the "we are the keeper's of the flame nonsense" and the myopic parochialism but in truth I've better thjngs to do with my time. Up the Dubs! Well you cared enough to come on here. You'll note there's no insulting Dublin on this forum or its players as its not the done thing. Stick with reservoir dubs were you can spew that nonsense. We might please god meet ye in the summer.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 6, 2022 9:04:56 GMT
Don't feed the troll.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 6, 2022 9:36:41 GMT
Why would someone assume a poster was a Dub based on using hill in their name and talking about how Kerry Group are "financial doping" Kerry? This is one of life's great mysteries. Only those who broke the Enigma Code could decipher it.
My only wonder is if the poster is the same lad on another forum who got offended when Marty called Kerry "The Kingdom" as he thought it in reference to Kerry's football style as being majestic. 🤔😂
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 6, 2022 9:50:57 GMT
Take it from one who saw initially an enjoyable and worthwhile forum slide gradually due to lack of censorship or control
Moderator is correct, keep to topic, keep clean, accurate and fair. Don't be biased constructive opinions should be welcome.
However, if someone is only coming on stirring or purposely corrupting threads and being entertained, the base will lose its appeal.
Just ask the HS Immigrants that defected.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Apr 6, 2022 10:40:57 GMT
Ard Mhacha... I see RIan o Neill has been suspended for the donegal game.... it's going to be difficult in Ballybofey now. It would have been difficult even with him. But, we have to take it on the chin. We’ve nothing to lose there now. Go out, use his loss (and others), to galvanise us towards victory. Rian will be a big miss, but other lads have shown evidence during the league, that they are willing to step up to the plate. Let’s hope they can when it really matters in the white heat of the championship.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Apr 6, 2022 10:43:56 GMT
Well deserved win. Very good team performance, but what can you say about David Clifford that hasn’t been said already? I don’t really have the right words to describe his performance yesterday. I suppose the only thing I can say is, watching him brings you back to being a child, filled with excitement, watching your favourite player in action. Thank you Ard Mhacha for your kind words. Yes indeed David is a special talent and we so lucky to have him. I think there is even more in him. Players like that are great to watch for the neutrals too. Your own Jamie Clarke was one of those I loved watching. A scary thought for the rest of us.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 6, 2022 11:17:14 GMT
Ard Mhacha... I see RIan o Neill has been suspended for the donegal game.... it's going to be difficult in Ballybofey now. It would have been difficult even with him. But, we have to take it on the chin. We’ve nothing to lose there now. Go out, use his loss (and others), to galvanise us towards victory. Rian will be a big miss, but other lads have shown evidence during the league, that they are willing to step up to the plate. Let’s hope they can when it really matters in the white heat of the championship. Oisin is downbeat anyway. thesidelineeye.com/2022/04/06/armaghs-championship-opener-almost-impossible-mcconville/
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Post by buck02 on Apr 6, 2022 11:40:19 GMT
If Ryan O Donoghue didn't make an attempt to go for that ball there would be something wrong. Everything looks worse in slow motion replay and that incident was an unfortunate consequence of a fast paced contact sport.
On the Jack Barry/Jordan Flynn incident, it happened directly in line with me. On contact, which was obviously a bit late, his leg got caught in the turf from what I could see. It was plain to see straight away he was in trouble. Jack was lucky not to get a black.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 6, 2022 12:17:37 GMT
There are different opinions on whether Ryan O'D committed foul play and should have been penalised. I happen to see the opposite opinion to mine as valid.
However I don't accept at all the opposite opinion to mine that Ryan O'D went out to harm Gavin White. I believe 100% he went to play the ball.
My opinion on the former is that the incident is different to e.g. the rugby context as punching a ball is not habitually dangerous in the same way tackling in the air, dumping, spearing, not wrapping, and tackling high are in rugby.
An accident with those rugby actions is not acceptable but I would say that incident with Gavin White and Ryan O'D was excusable exactly because punching a ball is not inherently dangerous.
However, as I said, I accept it is a valid opinion to say that players have a duty of care to each other and plays that causes injury to another is foul play. It isn't one I share though.
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Post by dano on Apr 6, 2022 15:03:58 GMT
Ryan O D was going for the ball simple as. The whole play happened at lightning pace and Gavin's brave follow up after he layed off to paul could only have been defended by what R O D did. Had he connected with the ball it would've prevented the goal. It would've been a great bit of defending. He certainly didn't deliberately try to punch Gavin in the face. Jack Barry didn't go in with malice either. It can't be compared to the John Small incident where he did mean to take a player out of the game and succeeded.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 6, 2022 15:53:43 GMT
He was 100% going for the ball but you don’t referee intent, you referee outcome.
So, for example, if I go to tackle a player but I’m late and punch him in the face then I’ve punched him in the face.
You can’t police by intent as otherwise you’re deciding on different players characters and making a decision based on that
On the John Small example, you’d be applying different rules to different players based on your opinion of the player and their intent. Sure that’s a complete nonsense
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 6, 2022 16:37:13 GMT
He was 100% going for the ball but you don’t referee intent, you referee outcome. So, for example, if I go to tackle a player but I’m late and punch him in the face then I’ve punched him in the face. You can’t police by intent as otherwise you’re deciding on different players characters and making a decision based on that On the John Small example, you’d be applying different rules to different players based on your opinion of the player and their intent. Sure that’s a complete nonsense A silly question here but anyway... what would you do if both players went for the ball and punched each other in the face?
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Post by dano on Apr 6, 2022 16:37:56 GMT
Perhaps I stand corrected there. I can see how Small was intending a fair shoulder but in the heat of battle it could've been just mistimed. it seemed a bit late. Hard to un commit after you've committed I guess and it was unfair of me to condemn Small like that. Only he knows the intent.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 6, 2022 17:00:39 GMT
Perhaps I stand corrected there. I can see how Small was intending a fair shoulder but in the heat of battle it could've been just mistimed. it seemed a bit late. Hard to un commit after you've committed I guess and it was unfair of me to condemn Small like that. Only he knows the intent. That’s exactly it, you have to ref the outcome as you’ll never know the intent. You can guess relatively accurately in some circumstances, I agree!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 6, 2022 17:01:39 GMT
He was 100% going for the ball but you don’t referee intent, you referee outcome. So, for example, if I go to tackle a player but I’m late and punch him in the face then I’ve punched him in the face. You can’t police by intent as otherwise you’re deciding on different players characters and making a decision based on that On the John Small example, you’d be applying different rules to different players based on your opinion of the player and their intent. Sure that’s a complete nonsense A silly question here but anyway... what would you do if both players went for the ball and punched each other in the face? I have no idea but I’d guess whatever sanction you apply that it would have to be applied equally
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 6, 2022 17:17:44 GMT
A silly question here but anyway... what would you do if both players went for the ball and punched each other in the face? I have no idea but I’d guess whatever sanction you apply that it would have to be applied equally I guess when you say outcome you mean punch to the head rather than an injury.
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Post by southward on Apr 6, 2022 17:21:00 GMT
A silly question here but anyway... what would you do if both players went for the ball and punched each other in the face? I have no idea but I’d guess whatever sanction you apply that it would have to be applied equally The trusty old yellow apiece sure. It's the all-purpose out, like Fr Jack's ecumenical matter. Seriously though, I'm thinking back to Morley's red card v Roscommon last season (ah good old Dublin Joe). Morley basically just stood there with hands out and Ciaran Murtagh fell into him (ok maybe pushed by Murphy), his head connecting with Tadhg's hand. Compare that to what happened White with no sanction. We should have a bit of consistency at least.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 6, 2022 17:39:15 GMT
Perhaps I stand corrected there. I can see how Small was intending a fair shoulder but in the heat of battle it could've been just mistimed. it seemed a bit late. Hard to un commit after you've committed I guess and it was unfair of me to condemn Small like that. Only he knows the intent. Is that an elbow to the head at 55 mins and 31 seconds. I would not put john small tackle in the same category the one by RoD.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 6, 2022 17:40:34 GMT
I have no idea but I’d guess whatever sanction you apply that it would have to be applied equally I guess when you say outcome you mean punch to the head rather than an injury. Yeah, sure we always see the outcome applied with high tackles. Lads just leave an arm in and are unfortunate but still catch fellas.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 6, 2022 17:41:46 GMT
Perhaps I stand corrected there. I can see how Small was intending a fair shoulder but in the heat of battle it could've been just mistimed. it seemed a bit late. Hard to un commit after you've committed I guess and it was unfair of me to condemn Small like that. Only he knows the intent. Is that an elbow to the head at 55 seconds 100% red all day long
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 6, 2022 20:15:23 GMT
Ryan O D was going for the ball simple as. The whole play happened at lightning pace and Gavin's brave follow up after he layed off to paul could only have been defended by what R O D did. Had he connected with the ball it would've prevented the goal. It would've been a great bit of defending. He certainly didn't deliberately try to punch Gavin in the face. Jack Barry didn't go in with malice either. It can't be compared to the John Small incident where he did mean to take a player out of the game and succeeded. Dano I think you are judging John Small on the wrong too. Maybe you ré judging him on reputation. Small has been nasty and dirt at times but that particular challenge in real time looked like a perfect shoulder. It was done at such pace that it was mistimed. Only Small himself knows the truth but my own view was he tried shoulder to shoulder. did he use the elbow to the head though
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 6, 2022 20:27:46 GMT
IRISH NEWS Andy Watters 06 April, 2022 01:00
THE influence of Paddy Tally’s coaching on Kerry’s defensive structure and movement this season has been obvious. Tally linked up with the Kingdom after parting company with Down at the end of last season and has helped to plug the holes in a leaky defence.
On the way to the National League title, the Kingdom conceded just two goals (one from a penalty) in eight games against the best attacks in the country. In contrast, last year Kerry shipped four in one game against Dublin, in 2020 they conceded six, in 2019 eight, in 2018 it was 10…
Any team conceding that amount of scores will get caught out at some stage and so it has proved for Kerry. Before last Sunday’s walk-in-the-park 15-point victory over Mayo, the Kingdom had won just once in 10 visits to Croke Park.
After the game, Kerry manager Jack O’Connor explained that he’d been alerted to Galbally native Tally’s tactical savvy in head-to-head meetings with the former Down manager.
“Paddy is a very clever coach,” said O’Connor.
“I know that because we’d been friendly for a few years and we came across each other when I was in Kildare and he was in Down.
“He’s just a good fella, very bright and very sharp. He probably gives us a different angle that we didn’t have and I think the management work very well together. Diarmuid (Murphy) and Mike (Quirke) really contribute as well and all’s well at the moment, so we’ll see down the line, and we hope it keeps going.”
National League titles don’t guarantee Championship success but Kerry did follow their wins in 2004, 2006 and 2009 with All-Irelands the same year. However, the Kingdom bowed out in the semi-final (after a replay against Mayo) after winning the League in 2017 so O’Connor will take absolutely nothing for granted.
“We’ve been working on getting a good shape on the team, a good structure and the lads are enjoying it which is a big part of it,” he said.
“They are buying into the team ethos and concept. There were six changes from last Sunday, the boys accepted that and most of them came on today and did well.
“We are happy with where we are at, but there's a long road there. Kerry had huge wins in the League last year and when push came to shove down the line in the Championship it didn’t do them a pile of good, so we are certainly going to keep our feet on the ground.”
O’Connor – who also includes Armagh native Jason McGahan in his management team - will send his players out to club pastures now. Kerry don’t begin their Munster Championship campaign until May 7 when they take on Cork at the semi-final stage.
Pairc Ui Chaoimh has been ruled out as the venue due to worries over the condition of the pitch after two Ed Sheeran gigs at the end of April. The Munster Council switched the game to Killarney but Cork have called for that decision to be revisited and insist the game should be played in front of 11,000 spectators at Pairc Ui Rinn.
The Kerry players will see action with their clubs before the semi-final is played.
“I’m big into getting lads that haven’t had much football playing club football,” said O’Connor.
“Some of the lads on the extended panel played county league this weekend, we are hoping Stefan (Okunbor) would play a county league game but he has to get an all clear tomorrow in Santry, and after that he should be good to go.
“We just need to get games into fellas, because it’s all about matches and we are mad anxious to get matches into lads in the next few weeks.”
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 6, 2022 22:17:08 GMT
The elbow applied the coup de grace
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 7, 2022 7:24:47 GMT
Small used his shoulder. At the time they showed another angle showing a shoulder connecting and his elbow raises after (with no connection) the fact. It happens when you give someone a hard shoulder that your elbow can come up if you gain space between the parties involved. Let's not look for things that aren't there. It was a high risk/high reward shoulder that didn't connect. Connect and it's a great shoulder and miss it's a red.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 7, 2022 7:42:35 GMT
Small used his shoulder. At the time they showed another angle showing a shoulder connecting and his elbow raises after (with no connection) the fact. It happens when you give someone a hard shoulder that your elbow can come up if you gain space between the parties involved. Let's not look for things that aren't there. It was a high risk/high reward shoulder that didn't connect. Connect and it's a great shoulder and miss it's a red. Most players manage to put in a hard shoulder without following through with a raised elbow.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 7, 2022 7:43:27 GMT
Small used his shoulder. At the time they showed another angle showing a shoulder connecting and his elbow raises after (with no connection) the fact. It happens when you give someone a hard shoulder that your elbow can come up if you gain space between the parties involved. Let's not look for things that aren't there. It was a high risk/high reward shoulder that didn't connect. Connect and it's a great shoulder and miss it's a red. A player giving a shoulder is always going to try and push off with the arm. Go and give someone a shoulder there and you will see this. If there is no shoulder/arm to meet it, it looks like an elbow. It it what happened to Richie Hogan. Now an elbow to the head can be considered the same as a shoulder to the head which should probably be a red card anyway.
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