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Post by keane on Mar 29, 2022 12:40:02 GMT
David Moran destroyed them. Not to take from DM or anything but Tyrone were down to 14 men for 2 ten minute spells due to black cards. Yet they stayed in the game. Would you use the same argument to say David Clifford was only ok the same day? We won all our own kickouts and cleaned theirs out. |
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Post by mike70 on Mar 29, 2022 12:47:59 GMT
Lots of talk on here about our MF in trouble last Sunday, has someone got the stats, in the first half all I can remember is Tyrone conceding the kick out , retreating to the MF and their own 45, squeezing us , leaving very few options to play the ball, but also preventing in long range kicks, very smart by Tyrone. The second half not 100% sure, I know we had a few long ones but they were quicker to the break, not sure how many clean balls caught either side.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 29, 2022 12:54:40 GMT
DM as a lone ranger at MF for long kickouts is a sitting duck, turns possession into an advantage for opponents as they know where the ball is going and simply deflect it to their man of choice and so run at us with David on the backfoot giving chase.
I hate quoting odds but with Tyrone at 9/1 I am missing something here - only last year they came from being trounced by us in Killarney in the League to pipping us in Croker in AI semi, now they pip us in Killarney in The League so what does that point to?
They have 6 who walked and can turnaround ala Covid porkie pie. Make no mistake, everything about Tyrone is back-to-backs - and I'm not playing the devil's advocate here.
Strange but odds on leading pack haven't budged after all Sunday's surprises. Mayo are also written off at 2/1 to take us on Sunday. Are we back to the days when the sight of our jersey was enough?
P.S. If Tyrone concede our restarts then we just go short and play them at their own game, suck the life out of them - surely our boys do video training on Cluxton? I think I twigged a bit of him in 30 mins in Omagh in was it '19, it ain't rocket science and our boys are bright lads.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 29, 2022 13:06:21 GMT
Not to take from DM or anything but Tyrone were down to 14 men for 2 ten minute spells due to black cards. Yet they stayed in the game. Would you use the same argument to say David Clifford was only ok the same day? We won all our own kickouts and cleaned theirs out. Not sure what point you are making about David Clifford in this context. Its well accepted that an extra man tips the advantage decisively as regards retaining possession from kickouts. There is an extra man for your own kickout and increases the option to go short.......and you can close down the opponents options to go short from their kickouts if you have an extra man. Neil Morgan had a bad dose of the collywobbles when Tyrone went down to 14 men. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 29, 2022 13:10:43 GMT
When Dublin were dominating did they do it based on having a superior midfield ?
With the exception of Fenton and maybe Howard they weren't known for fielding a load of ball around the middle.
It was cluxton hitting it into space for a player to attack.
It was also the speed of the restart to stop lads getting back into positions.
These two areas Kerry need to focus on.
Shane Ryan I think now is the number 1 and should be settled now for the summer.
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Post by peanuts on Mar 29, 2022 13:14:02 GMT
The QF with Galway on 24.4.22 will be looming large for James Horan. I assume its on in Saltill. The loser could find themselves in a qualifier away to Donegal or Armagh for example and the season could be over in a flash. So how would going full pelt v Kerry next Sunday help or hinter preparations for the 24th April? I have no idea what the answer is to that question. Game is fixed for Castlebar. Whether it will be ready or not is another question. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 29, 2022 13:23:50 GMT
As an oldtimer I thought I would never live to see the day when Kerry would be consistently beaten in the air in midfield. Even in the bad old days when Down and Galway were repeatedly beating us fellows like Mick O’Connell, Seamus Murphy, Jerh. D. O’Connor , Mick Fleming etc ensured that while defeat may have been our lot too often it wasn’t because we were being outfetched at midfield. One possible reason for this deficit in our game maybe because of the emphasis on short kicks out, handpassing etc but then how come Mayo, Tyrone , Kildare and others can produce such eyecatching fielders? Solutions? I have suggested previously splitting our midfielders so that our goalie has at least two targets. May not work all the time but we desperately need innovation in an area which is currently crippling us. As regards personnel, I rate Eanna O’Conchur very highly as a fielder. He may not do it at the highest level but we will never know unless he gets a decent chance. I referred to him and a couple of others last week as examples of guys who are carted around from match to match but are rarely given a chance. Instead the same replacements are being recycled. For example, could Eanna not have been brought on last Sunday instead of Jack Barry . It wasn’t a must win game for us. Perhaps Joseph O’Connor could be the answer . However, I am not sure fielding is his forte , rather energy and work rate. Austin Stacks supporters on here might like to comment on that viewpoint. A bit more daring and innovation would not go amiss from management. Finally, it seems we have as much hope of Jacko being the solution as a Mark O’Connor return. Indeed Mark is so long out of the game now it is possible he wouldn’t be the influence some people here expect. Who knows, Sunday could be the day Diarmuid , Jack, Joseph make an indelible mark in Croke Park. Be there to witness it. In the meantime I will continue to pine for the day I first saw that stripling from Valentia. Ah Veteran I'm sure you remember 1987 to 96 inclusive when we were beaten constantly midfield and we had Jacko then but he was fading midfield and moved into forwards. We had Darragh and Moynihan there in 96 well beaten by Mayo midfield. We went through some amount of midfielders those years from Jacko Dermot Hanafin Timmy Dowd Timmy Fleming Joe Shannon Bernard McElligott Conor Kearney Liam Flaherty Séamus Moynihan Anthony Gleeson Darragh Ó Sé and more úr then in 97 we came good with Darragh and William Kirby and then Dónal Daly Séamus Scanlon etc |
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 29, 2022 13:29:03 GMT
As an oldtimer I thought I would never live to see the day when Kerry would be consistently beaten in the air in midfield. Even in the bad old days when Down and Galway were repeatedly beating us fellows like Mick O’Connell, Seamus Murphy, Jerh. D. O’Connor , Mick Fleming etc ensured that while defeat may have been our lot too often it wasn’t because we were being outfetched at midfield. One possible reason for this deficit in our game maybe because of the emphasis on short kicks out, handpassing etc but then how come Mayo, Tyrone , Kildare and others can produce such eyecatching fielders? Solutions? I have suggested previously splitting our midfielders so that our goalie has at least two targets. May not work all the time but we desperately need innovation in an area which is currently crippling us. As regards personnel, I rate Eanna O’Conchur very highly as a fielder. He may not do it at the highest level but we will never know unless he gets a decent chance. I referred to him and a couple of others last week as examples of guys who are carted around from match to match but are rarely given a chance. Instead the same replacements are being recycled. For example, could Eanna not have been brought on last Sunday instead of Jack Barry . It wasn’t a must win game for us. Perhaps Joseph O’Connor could be the answer . However, I am not sure fielding is his forte , rather energy and work rate. Austin Stacks supporters on here might like to comment on that viewpoint. A bit more daring and innovation would not go amiss from management. Finally, it seems we have as much hope of Jacko being the solution as a Mark O’Connor return. Indeed Mark is so long out of the game now it is possible he wouldn’t be the influence some people here expect. Who knows, Sunday could be the day Diarmuid , Jack, Joseph make an indelible mark in Croke Park. Be there to witness it. In the meantime I will continue to pine for the day I first saw that stripling from Valentia. Ah Veteran I'm sure you remember 1987 to 96 inclusive when we were beaten constantly midfield and we had Jacko then but he was fading midfield and moved into forwards. We had Darragh and Moynihan there in 96 well beaten by Mayo midfield. We went through some amount of midfielders those years from Jacko Dermot Hanafin Timmy Dowd Timmy Fleming Joe Shannon Bernard McElligott Conor Kearney Liam Flaherty Séamus Moynihan Anthony Gleeson Darragh Ó Sé and more úr then in 97 we came good with Darragh and William Kirby and then Dónal Daly Séamus Scanlon etc of course not forgetting Mick Galwey the maestro himself Maurice played midfield in that era and Noel Ó Mahony. We tried so many midfielders in that era it was scary! |
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 29, 2022 13:36:44 GMT
How much are stand tickets for sunday.
Also, how much are Hill 16 tickets. The weather is looking ok for Sunday at the moment
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 29, 2022 13:55:10 GMT
How much are stand tickets for sunday. Also, how much are Hill 16 tickets. The weather is looking ok for Sunday at the moment [br Hi Mick. I'm not sure Hill 16 is open Sunday but stand tickets are 25e and kids 5e |
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 29, 2022 14:10:31 GMT
25 euro is very reasonable
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 29, 2022 14:29:59 GMT
25 euro is very reasonable Not bad for a double header. |
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Post by veteran on Mar 29, 2022 14:49:19 GMT
Of course midfield play is not all about high fielding . An urgency and willingness to contest the breaking ball is probably more important in the modern game. Still if you can pluck the occasional high it means you are conserving energy , as opposed to working out a short kickout , and of course you are rewarded with a free kick . Now sometimes when a mark is won at midfield the player wants to put jam on the ball before delivering it in which means runs being made inside come to nought. Young Canavan won a ball at midfield the last day, quick look up , beautiful long delivery in to Darren McCurry, no time for defenders to cover spaces - goal. Am I right in saying Tyrone got two goals in the final last year ‘s final courtesy of clean wins at midfield, direct ball in etc. Too simple I suppose.
Wining breaking ball is fine of course but is there anything more galling than witnessing a Kerry player breaking it down to an opponent.
You don’t have to be a towering figure to win a high ball, witness Willie Bryan of Offaly and Teddy McCarthy of later years. It am not sure what their secret was . A certain spring in their step? Long arms? But there is one thing for certain you will never field a high ball over an opponent unless you position yourself properly and anticipate the trajectory of the ball. There were a few instances in the Mayo game where Aiden O’Shea collected high ones uncontested. Regardless of your prowess in the air , your opponent should not get away with that.
As I said , I accept that winning the breaking ball is of paramount importance but there were several occasions during the recent NFL when our inability to some high balls at midfield made life unnecessarily difficult for us.
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Post by thehermit on Mar 29, 2022 14:56:58 GMT
Hearing 7 or 8 of Mayo's usual crew could be out for Sunday including Cillian O'Connor obviously.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 29, 2022 15:50:00 GMT
Darragh O Sé was a bare six foot.
A player from Annascaul had an enormous leap and he was only about 5' 8" or 9".
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Post by taggert on Mar 29, 2022 16:13:19 GMT
Of course midfield play is not all about high fielding . An urgency and willingness to contest the breaking ball is probably more important in the modern game. Still if you can pluck the occasional high it means you are conserving energy , as opposed to working out a short kickout , and of course you are rewarded with a free kick . Now sometimes when a mark is won at midfield the player wants to put jam on the ball before delivering it in which means runs being made inside come to nought. Young Canavan won a ball at midfield the last day, quick look up , beautiful long delivery in to Darren McCurry, no time for defenders to cover spaces - goal. Am I right in saying Tyrone got two goals in the final last year ‘s final courtesy of clean wins at midfield, direct ball in etc. Too simple I suppose. Wining breaking ball is fine of course but is there anything more galling than witnessing a Kerry player breaking it down to an opponent. You don’t have to be a towering figure to win a high ball, witness Willie Bryan of Offaly and Teddy McCarthy of later years. It am not sure what their secret was . A certain spring in their step? Long arms? But there is one thing for certain you will never field a high ball over an opponent unless you position yourself properly and anticipate the trajectory of the ball. There were a few instances in the Mayo game where Aiden O’Shea collected high ones uncontested. Regardless of your prowess in the air , your opponent should not get away with that. As I said , I accept that winning the breaking ball is of paramount importance but there were several occasions during the recent NFL when our inability to some high balls at midfield made life unnecessarily difficult for us. How Canavan, one of the smallest men on the field, won that ball and got the quick ball away, baffled me. Was it brilliance by the keeper in terms of accuracy, or carelessness by Kerry in allowing it to happen without "surrounding" him or was it simply pot luck? It was the key score in the game. A brilliant pass by Canavan it must be said. I think our half forward line misfired badly against Tyrone in the last 2 matches - their half back line is their launch pad. Have to hammer that hammer the next time. Brilliant opportunity Sunday though for Kerry to lay down a marker. And I'll be there to cheer on.... |
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 29, 2022 17:30:36 GMT
Of course midfield play is not all about high fielding . An urgency and willingness to contest the breaking ball is probably more important in the modern game. Still if you can pluck the occasional high it means you are conserving energy , as opposed to working out a short kickout , and of course you are rewarded with a free kick . Now sometimes when a mark is won at midfield the player wants to put jam on the ball before delivering it in which means runs being made inside come to nought. Young Canavan won a ball at midfield the last day, quick look up , beautiful long delivery in to Darren McCurry, no time for defenders to cover spaces - goal. Am I right in saying Tyrone got two goals in the final last year ‘s final courtesy of clean wins at midfield, direct ball in etc. Too simple I suppose. Wining breaking ball is fine of course but is there anything more galling than witnessing a Kerry player breaking it down to an opponent. You don’t have to be a towering figure to win a high ball, witness Willie Bryan of Offaly and Teddy McCarthy of later years. It am not sure what their secret was . A certain spring in their step? Long arms? But there is one thing for certain you will never field a high ball over an opponent unless you position yourself properly and anticipate the trajectory of the ball. There were a few instances in the Mayo game where Aiden O’Shea collected high ones uncontested. Regardless of your prowess in the air , your opponent should not get away with that. As I said , I accept that winning the breaking ball is of paramount importance but there were several occasions during the recent NFL when our inability to some high balls at midfield made life unnecessarily difficult for us. How Canavan, one of the smallest men on the field, won that ball and got the quick ball away, baffled me. Was it brilliance by the keeper in terms of accuracy, or carelessness by Kerry in allowing it to happen without "surrounding" him or was it simply pot luck? It was the key score in the game. A brilliant pass by Canavan it must be said. I think our half forward line misfired badly against Tyrone in the last 2 matches - their half back line is their launch pad. Have to hammer that hammer the next time. Brilliant opportunity Sunday though for Kerry to lay down a marker. And I'll be there to cheer on.... From TV coverage it looked to me like Tom Ó Sullivan was picking up Canavan for that kickout. If I'm right Tom is nt the tallest either but yes it was a great catch and a very important score. |
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 29, 2022 18:06:31 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 29, 2022 18:08:15 GMT
I doubt very much that Neil Morgan was aiming for Canavans midriff.
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 29, 2022 19:26:35 GMT
I doubt very much that Neil Morgan was aiming for Canavans midriff. I see what you mean Mick but still a small man won it and they got an important goal from it. It does nt matter how you win the ball (high or low) once you win it. If our midfielders don't win a single kickout and we win the breaking ball I'll be happy out. |
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Post by jackiel on Mar 29, 2022 19:33:39 GMT
How much are stand tickets for sunday. Also, how much are Hill 16 tickets. The weather is looking ok for Sunday at the moment Mick, my email from the stewards says the expected attendance is 30k,lower tier only on sale with Upper Cusack on standby. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 29, 2022 19:36:03 GMT
I doubt very much that Neil Morgan was aiming for Canavans midriff. It was in the right general direction, take your chances after that and maybe they had luck but if you don't do the right things you can't be lucky. It was by any standards an exceptional run of fluent play - I don't mean to knock our boys but we are well capable of all that and our day will come if can get it together. I just hope we can sort out GK and MF, either by mastering them or mitigating any weaknesses; and bearing in mind that kick-outs is all down to the transmitter, the receivers need to give him options and management need to mentor them. Ah of course they are but I'd love to see it working. |
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 29, 2022 20:56:42 GMT
It was the exquisite ball from Canavan that was remarkable and McCurrys fetch,turn and finish was sublime.
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Post by kerryboyo on Mar 29, 2022 21:06:27 GMT
My 24 for the game Sunday
1 shane ryan
2 Dylan casey
3 jason foley
4 Tom o sullivan
5 Brian begly
6 tadgh morely
7 Gavin white
8 joe o connor
9 diarmuid o connor
10 Stephan O Brien
11 Paudie clifford
12 Adrian spillane
13 Tony brosnan
14 David clifford
15 Paul Geaney
16 shane murphy
17 Graham o sullivan
18 tadgh morely
19 David Moran if available
20 jack barey
21 jack savage
22 Dara moynihan
23 killian Spillane
24 Greg horan
Casey deserves another go … big test for him
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Post by taggert on Mar 29, 2022 21:14:13 GMT
Agree with that lineup except for one.
Dara Moynihan an absolute banker to start if fit. Would play 2 inside forwards, Tony over Paul.
Adrian, Paudie, Dara
Tony, David, Stephen
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 29, 2022 21:29:32 GMT
If O'Donoghue is not fit, Casey will play. If Dan is fit he will play.
Likewise Sean O'Shea has to play if fit, otherwise it will be Savage.
Adrian, Paudie and Dara the obvious ones that have to start.
Tony, David and Stephen to start, with Paul and Killian to come on.
Though Mayo tend to finish with their strongest team, rather than start with it.
Gavin White could be huge as we lacked a player of his ability and physique in the league game.Diarmuid and Jack to start in midfield, Joe to come on in the second half.
This will definitely be a game of using all subs and very different styles of play.
Mayo have Ryan O'Donoghue, but no superstar forwards.
Even now they rely on their backs to come up and score. Keeping Mullins and Ruane occupied will be as important as it will be to score.
As always Mayo love to work the ball up the field, Kerry were very successful when going with quick kick passes. Having someone like Dara or Paudie kicking or carrying it to the full forwards will be key.
Croke Park on a sunny day will suit Kerry, a very fast team with lots of talent. Mayo will find it harder to find scores, but have enough physicality and smarts to keep us quiet.
So many tactical battles ahead of this already and it will all depend on who can win those battles.
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 29, 2022 21:30:34 GMT
My 24 for the game Sunday 1 shane ryan 2 Dylan casey 3 jason foley 4 Tom o sullivan 5 Brian begly 6 tadgh morely 7 Gavin white 8 joe o connor 9 diarmuid o connor 10 Stephan O Brien 11 Paudie clifford 12 Adrian spillane 13 Tony brosnan 14 David clifford 15 Paul Geaney 16 shane murphy 17 Graham o sullivan 18 tadgh morely 19 David Moran if available 20 jack barey 21 jack savage 22 Dara moynihan 23 killian Spillane 24 Greg horan Casey deserves another go … big test for him Agree with the exception of Moynihan, if fit I think he is nailed on in my opinion. With Stephen facing Geaney for the one remaining spot. I think and agree that Dylan will be afforded the chance and will retain his place but will be under increasing pressure from Graham, who has really blossomed under his club mate direction. Mayo are missing four or five starters but are physically imposing around the eight. It has the making of a very good game. What is most pleasing is the opportunity to win early silverware in Croker but by missing our main forty yard man, we are doing so while still keeping our powder dry. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 21:43:03 GMT
My 24 for the game Sunday 1 shane ryan 2 Dylan casey 3 jason foley 4 Tom o sullivan 5 Brian begly 6 tadgh morely 7 Gavin white 8 joe o connor 9 diarmuid o connor 10 Stephan O Brien 11 Paudie clifford 12 Adrian spillane 13 Tony brosnan 14 David clifford 15 Paul Geaney 16 shane murphy 17 Graham o sullivan 18 tadgh morely 19 David Moran if available 20 jack barey 21 jack savage 22 Dara moynihan 23 killian Spillane 24 Greg horan Casey deserves another go … big test for him Agree with the exception of Moynihan, if fit I think he is nailed on in my opinion. With Stephen facing Geaney for the one remaining spot. I think and agree that Dylan will be afforded the chance and will retain his place but will be under increasing pressure from Graham, who has really blossomed under his club mate direction. Mayo are missing four or five starters but are physically imposing around the eight. It has the making of a very good game. What is most pleasing is the opportunity to win early silverware in Croker but by missing our main forty yard man, we are doing so while still keeping our powder dry. Sunday should tell us a lot about our midfield in fairness, I hope Seánie Shea is back. |
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Post by thepromisedland on Mar 29, 2022 22:35:41 GMT
They are very confident up here that they'll take us on Sunday. They're in good spirits about it. Says 84% of them in a recent questionnaire.
I'm not even getting involved. Say nothing, let the game do the talking to them.
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