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Post by thepromisedland on Mar 28, 2022 17:22:40 GMT
I phoned up today just to see what colours we would be wearing next Sunday v Mayo, as i was asked about that by my nephew, the lady inside at the pavilion of the County board today told me that we will be wearing our blue trim next Sunday, just incase anybody might be wondering.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 28, 2022 17:54:49 GMT
With the league final being on at 4pm it means lots of Kerry people won't be home in time to complete census form at midnight. Does that mean the census will see a huge population drop in Kerry? no, because most kerry supporters won’t bother traveling because of the game time. Yeah it's awful late alright 4 be a lot of lads getting the train disapointed if there is extra time! |
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 28, 2022 18:39:46 GMT
Was in two minds whether to head up to the match with the kids on Sunday. The increased price of diesel means the trip is over 50% more expensive than it once was. Only realised the throw in time there so I think I will be ag feachaint an cluiche ar on bosca de Domhnaigh.
A 4 o clock start means it most likely be six or after before pointing the car to home after the match. Throw in a bit of traffic etc so it will be at least 10 before being home. With school and work the following morning along with the cost I think I will sit this one out.
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 28, 2022 21:51:24 GMT
Was in two minds whether to head up to the match with the kids on Sunday. The increased price of diesel means the trip is over 50% more expensive than it once was. Only realised the throw in time there so I think I will be ag feachaint an cluiche ar on bosca de Domhnaigh. A 4 o clock start means it most likely be six or after before pointing the car to home after the match. Throw in a bit of traffic etc so it will be at least 10 before being home. With school and work the following morning along with the cost I think I will sit this one out. I'm leaning unfortunately along the same lines, I can get over the diesel aspect but it's the late start and expected time home, considering school and into shift work the Monday. Hard to justify.. I hate when HQ don't make responsibility and use common sense. I've been to league finals in Limerick vs Galway, in Parnell park vs Derry, why Kerry Mayo couldn't be fixed for Limerick or Salthill is beyond me, the hurling final is Thurles. What's wrong with Tallamore or Semple. 1996 Kerry and Mayo U21 All Ireland was Thurles .. and sure we all remember the atmosphere of 2014 .. I think HQ are missing a trick here. |
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 28, 2022 22:16:19 GMT
With the league final being on at 4pm it means lots of Kerry people won't be home in time to complete census form at midnight. Does that mean the census will see a huge population drop in Kerry? no, because most kerry supporters won’t bother traveling because of the game time. I'm coming form West Limerick myself, and that means 1 to 3 hours less to travel than most. Given the parking situation it will be 7pm, closer to 8pm, by the time I hit the road back. Traffic will be busy, though once we're on the M50 the Mayo crowd, Galway crowd and Roscommon crowd will go in a different direction. Like most I might stop for dinner somewhere and that is probably going to be the plaza like everyone else. So I'd be lucky to be home before midnight. Those in Tralee, or Killarney, will add another hour, those further west another hour or two. Long trek for all whereas the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick would be an hour shorter to home for the furthest away Mayo and Roscommon supporters though some Roscommon supporters are only 1 ½ hours from Croke Park. Looking for a neutral venue in the middle of a large Galway, Mayo, Roscommon, Kerry circle Limerick would have been perfect. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Mar 28, 2022 22:25:28 GMT
A lot of teams would nearly prefer not to be in a league final. One factor for those who want to be in it is a run out in Croke Park. It’s a great trial run for teams before hopefully returning for an all or nothing All Ireland quarter final. Taking the finals out of Croke Park would make them a lot less attractive for teams.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 29, 2022 7:54:34 GMT
The QF with Galway on 24.4.22 will be looming large for James Horan. I assume its on in Saltill.
The loser could find themselves in a qualifier away to Donegal or Armagh for example and the season could be over in a flash.
So how would going full pelt v Kerry next Sunday help or hinter preparations for the 24th April?
I have no idea what the answer is to that question.
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Post by john4 on Mar 29, 2022 8:09:52 GMT
The QF with Galway on 24.4.22 will be looming large for James Horan. I assume its on in Saltill. The loser could find themselves in a qualifier away to Donegal or Armagh for example and the season could be over in a flash. So how would going full pelt v Kerry next Sunday help or hinter preparations for the 24th April? I have no idea what the answer is to that question. Mayo will be full on next Sunday. 3 weeks before the Galway match. They'd be going full on in training anyway in the run up to this. They'll be fully committed to winning on Sunday. |
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 29, 2022 8:12:04 GMT
The QF with Galway on 24.4.22 will be looming large for James Horan. I assume its on in Saltill. The loser could find themselves in a qualifier away to Donegal or Armagh for example and the season could be over in a flash. So how would going full pelt v Kerry next Sunday help or hinter preparations for the 24th April? I have no idea what the answer is to that question. Mayo will be full on next Sunday. 3 weeks before the Galway match. They'd be going full on in training anyway in the run up to this. They'll be fully committed to winning on Sunday. Hopefully. We want it that way. |
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Post by dc84 on Mar 29, 2022 9:43:04 GMT
The practically aspect I get re supporters (And players!) But I'm glad it's in croke park we need to win this game it will give our lads massive confidence if we get the job done.
And we should mayo are down a good few bodies Harrison, Hennelly 2 o connors question marks over Durcan as well. I know we are missing seanie but that cant be an excuse.
Tom Sullivan will be mad to get his hands on o donoghue id say after all the talk after tralee if we nullify him and keep the free count down more its hard to see them posting enough to win.i think our wingbacks will be vital if its white and beaglaoich that is serious pace and attacking threat more than mayo have.
Midfield is the big one of course and we are coming up against the best in the business in ruane so underrated all the talk about o shea and they have a bona fide great!
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 29, 2022 10:15:40 GMT
Midfield is the big one of course and we are coming up against the best in the business in ruane so underrated all the talk about o shea and they have a bona fide great! That midfield by Tyrone seem to get the better of every team yet they are regarded as journeymen. Ruane was well beaten in last years final for example. |
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Post by keane on Mar 29, 2022 10:20:22 GMT
Midfield is the big one of course and we are coming up against the best in the business in ruane so underrated all the talk about o shea and they have a bona fide great! That midfield by Tyrone seem to get the better of every team yet they are regarded as journeymen. Ruane was well beaten in last years final for example. David Moran destroyed them. |
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Post by thehermit on Mar 29, 2022 10:28:55 GMT
I'm no great reader of the game put there's plenty of people on here who are serious thinkers about Gaelic football so can I ask you all something.
We've all seen over the last few games the issues with our midfield, the lack of fielding ability, a tendency to go missing for prolonged stretches, an inability to win breaking ball around the middle.
Given that and given most of us could probably name 11-12 or so of our Championship starting team at this stage what should we be doing about midfield?
How, with the players we have, can we compensate for the issues we are having there?
In laymans terms, what plan/strategy would people suggest we come up with?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 29, 2022 10:44:04 GMT
Midfield is the big one of course and we are coming up against the best in the business in ruane so underrated all the talk about o shea and they have a bona fide great! That midfield by Tyrone seem to get the better of every team yet they are regarded as journeymen. Ruane was well beaten in last years final for example. Moran is the only man that I have seen get the better of them in 2 years |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 29, 2022 10:46:27 GMT
I'm no great reader of the game put there's plenty of people on here who are serious thinkers about Gaelic football so can I ask you all something. We've all seen over the last few games the issues with our midfield, the lack of fielding ability, a tendency to go missing for prolonged stretches, an inability to win breaking ball around the middle. Given that and given most of us could probably name 11-12 or so of our Championship starting team at this stage what should we be doing about midfield? How, with the players we have, can we compensate for the issues we are having there? In laymans terms, what plan/strategy would people suggest we come up with? You need at least one fetcher in there. Otherwise everyone will just push up on your short kick out and put your defence under real pressure and simultaneously clean you out on the long kick out. Kildare second half is the perfect example of this, we couldn’t get out of our half |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 10:47:58 GMT
Lads after watching the game yesterday Shane Ryan is our undisputed number 1 goalie. We can't have a goalie that punches the ball instead of catching it, this is not soccer where a player might need a touch or 2 to control the ball before having a shot, this is gaelic football where players can use their hand and bang its a goal. This is definitely a keally tactic. I really don't understand the punching when the danger is minimal. Fair enough punch if there are alot of bodies in and around the square and the odds of a clean catch are reduced. I don't think you can be as black and white saying Ryan is the "undisputed" number 1 as I don't think he has really been tested either, he has perhaps marginally moved ahead of Murphy but we are not privy to all th stats. I always thought that Murphy was the better option given his kick out ability. McStay showed a clip on Sunday night of a "poor kick out", it was an attempt to place the ball into Tonys arms as he ran at the Tyrone goal which was intercepted by Tyrone. Had it come off it would have been a great kick and it is a type of kick out Crokes use regularly hitting Burns and White on the run. Risk/reward comes to mind. Harder to pull off such moves in the intercounty game. Kerry are struggling with kickouts which most likely stems from GK rotation, opposition press, a lack of fielding ability and from what I can see lack of an actual plan. I believe kick out strategy is more of a pressing issue than the GK himself. Fair enough percentageplay, for me there is only Shane Ryan and his kickouts are good, he has unreal physique and pressence, he'd have caught that ball the other day not punched it. If I was the opossision team I'd be dropping bombs on Murphy all day long because he can't handle the high ball, he also drove a ball over the sideline from a kick out the other day, poor stuff . For me Shane Ryan is number 1 a D I'd have Kieran fitzgibbon as number 2. |
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 29, 2022 11:03:25 GMT
I'm no great reader of the game put there's plenty of people on here who are serious thinkers about Gaelic football so can I ask you all something. We've all seen over the last few games the issues with our midfield, the lack of fielding ability, a tendency to go missing for prolonged stretches, an inability to win breaking ball around the middle. Given that and given most of us could probably name 11-12 or so of our Championship starting team at this stage what should we be doing about midfield? How, with the players we have, can we compensate for the issues we are having there? In laymans terms, what plan/strategy would people suggest we come up with? We can look at two options : 1. Ball is kicked towards either sideline with wing backs breaking into it - think White & O’Beaglaoich are the prime candidates here given their pace - 40/50 yard kick from goalkeeper- Crokes use this strategy very well with Murphy supplying the bullets 2. Go long down the middle creating an overload there of your two midfielders plus Seanie O’Shea - again think Murphy has the better trajectory for these kicks as Ryan’s seem to hang in the air for too long. I don’t subscribe to going short as risk is too great - defender often facing his own goal, no option to return kick to keeper, takes a lot out of the player in possession trying to work the ball outfield. |
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Post by thehermit on Mar 29, 2022 11:30:14 GMT
Ok so we need a fecther but given the uncertainties around Moran and the fact he won't be there on Sunday we don't have one for the League final.
I agree with GreenandGold about the short kick and moving it out from the back, it will sap any team in a pitch like Croker trying to do that for 70+ mins, it killed us last August v Tyrone.
So for Sunday is it a case of trying to flood the middle so, or else like you suggest GreenandGold kicking it to the sidelines for the wing backs to try and mop it up.
Is there anything to be said for trying to bypass midfield as much as possible by booming it into the forward line, like what Morgan does? Murphy is capable of those kicks is he not, don't think Ryan has the artillery.
But then your leaning towards Murphy to start and personally I'd rather Ryan in goals.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 29, 2022 11:42:30 GMT
That midfield by Tyrone seem to get the better of every team yet they are regarded as journeymen. Ruane was well beaten in last years final for example. David Moran destroyed them. Not to take from DM or anything but Tyrone were down to 14 men for 2 ten minute spells due to black cards. Yet they stayed in the game. |
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Post by dc84 on Mar 29, 2022 11:50:54 GMT
Ok so we need a fecther but given the uncertainties around Moran and the fact he won't be there on Sunday we don't have one for the League final. I agree with GreenandGold about the short kick and moving it out from the back, it will sap any team in a pitch like Croker trying to do that for 70+ mins, it killed us last August v Tyrone. So for Sunday is it a case of trying to flood the middle so, or else like you suggest GreenandGold kicking it to the sidelines for the wing backs to try and mop it up. Is there anything to be said for trying to bypass midfield as much as possible by booming it into the forward line, like what Morgan does? Murphy is capable of those kicks is he not, don't think Ryan has the artillery. But then your leaning towards Murphy to start and personally I'd rather Ryan in goals. There is the factor of who you are bombing it out to a half forward line of o brien , p.clifford and savage aren't going to win too many kickouts over there head o briens speed does help as he can break into space. During the summer I think we should do it more as we could have seanie, o brien and one of the o connors there. If we are overloading the middle the onus will be on wingbacks/wing forwards scrapping like hell for the ball and midfield making sure that if they don't win it cleanly that the opposition cant either. Bottom line really though is the lads in mf need to up their game aerially what we have is what we have other than maybe Moran and okunbar we don't have anyone else |
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Post by glengael on Mar 29, 2022 11:51:51 GMT
What is the story with Dan O'Donoghue, is he in the reckoning for Sunday?
4pm throw-in is a dose but it's not like the GAA have much recent form for considering the needs of supporters (see Ticketmaster monopoly. Let's hope those Kerry folk based closer to Dublin can come out in numbers.
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Post by Fado on Mar 29, 2022 12:01:45 GMT
Winning the midfield battle is much more about breaking ball than actual fielding, and it only takes a simple strategy to deal with it. How many times have we seen opposition players mop up the breaking ball and set up an attack, with hardly a hand laid on them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 12:09:40 GMT
Ok so we need a fecther but given the uncertainties around Moran and the fact he won't be there on Sunday we don't have one for the League final. I agree with GreenandGold about the short kick and moving it out from the back, it will sap any team in a pitch like Croker trying to do that for 70+ mins, it killed us last August v Tyrone. So for Sunday is it a case of trying to flood the middle so, or else like you suggest GreenandGold kicking it to the sidelines for the wing backs to try and mop it up. Is there anything to be said for trying to bypass midfield as much as possible by booming it into the forward line, like what Morgan does? Murphy is capable of those kicks is he not, don't think Ryan has the artillery. But then your leaning towards Murphy to start and personally I'd rather Ryan in goals. Shane Ryan was kicking the ball 60/65 meters when he was our allireland winning minor goalie back in 2014 so distance isn't a problem bud. |
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Post by veteran on Mar 29, 2022 12:38:42 GMT
As an oldtimer I thought I would never live to see the day when Kerry would be consistently beaten in the air in midfield. Even in the bad old days when Down and Galway were repeatedly beating us fellows like Mick O’Connell, Seamus Murphy, Jerh. D. O’Connor , Mick Fleming etc ensured that while defeat may have been our lot too often it wasn’t because we were being outfetched at midfield. One possible reason for this deficit in our game maybe because of the emphasis on short kicks out, handpassing etc but then how come Mayo, Tyrone , Kildare and others can produce such eyecatching fielders?
Solutions? I have suggested previously splitting our midfielders so that our goalie has at least two targets. May not work all the time but we desperately need innovation in an area which is currently crippling us. As regards personnel, I rate Eanna O’Conchur very highly as a fielder. He may not do it at the highest level but we will never know unless he gets a decent chance. I referred to him and a couple of others last week as examples of guys who are carted around from match to match but are rarely given a chance. Instead the same replacements are being recycled. For example, could Eanna not have been brought on last Sunday instead of Jack Barry . It wasn’t a must win game for us.
Perhaps Joseph O’Connor could be the answer . However, I am not sure fielding is his forte , rather energy and work rate. Austin Stacks supporters on here might like to comment on that viewpoint.
A bit more daring and innovation would not go amiss from management.
Finally, it seems we have as much hope of Jacko being the solution as a Mark O’Connor return. Indeed Mark is so long out of the game now it is possible he wouldn’t be the influence some people here expect.
Who knows, Sunday could be the day Diarmuid , Jack, Joseph make an indelible mark in Croke Park. Be there to witness it. In the meantime I will continue to pine for the day I first saw that stripling from Valentia.
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Post by keane on Mar 29, 2022 12:40:02 GMT
David Moran destroyed them. Not to take from DM or anything but Tyrone were down to 14 men for 2 ten minute spells due to black cards. Yet they stayed in the game. Would you use the same argument to say David Clifford was only ok the same day? We won all our own kickouts and cleaned theirs out. |
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Post by mike70 on Mar 29, 2022 12:47:59 GMT
Lots of talk on here about our MF in trouble last Sunday, has someone got the stats, in the first half all I can remember is Tyrone conceding the kick out , retreating to the MF and their own 45, squeezing us , leaving very few options to play the ball, but also preventing in long range kicks, very smart by Tyrone. The second half not 100% sure, I know we had a few long ones but they were quicker to the break, not sure how many clean balls caught either side.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 29, 2022 12:54:40 GMT
DM as a lone ranger at MF for long kickouts is a sitting duck, turns possession into an advantage for opponents as they know where the ball is going and simply deflect it to their man of choice and so run at us with David on the backfoot giving chase.
I hate quoting odds but with Tyrone at 9/1 I am missing something here - only last year they came from being trounced by us in Killarney in the League to pipping us in Croker in AI semi, now they pip us in Killarney in The League so what does that point to?
They have 6 who walked and can turnaround ala Covid porkie pie. Make no mistake, everything about Tyrone is back-to-backs - and I'm not playing the devil's advocate here.
Strange but odds on leading pack haven't budged after all Sunday's surprises. Mayo are also written off at 2/1 to take us on Sunday. Are we back to the days when the sight of our jersey was enough?
P.S. If Tyrone concede our restarts then we just go short and play them at their own game, suck the life out of them - surely our boys do video training on Cluxton? I think I twigged a bit of him in 30 mins in Omagh in was it '19, it ain't rocket science and our boys are bright lads.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 29, 2022 13:06:21 GMT
Not to take from DM or anything but Tyrone were down to 14 men for 2 ten minute spells due to black cards. Yet they stayed in the game. Would you use the same argument to say David Clifford was only ok the same day? We won all our own kickouts and cleaned theirs out. Not sure what point you are making about David Clifford in this context. Its well accepted that an extra man tips the advantage decisively as regards retaining possession from kickouts. There is an extra man for your own kickout and increases the option to go short.......and you can close down the opponents options to go short from their kickouts if you have an extra man. Neil Morgan had a bad dose of the collywobbles when Tyrone went down to 14 men. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 29, 2022 13:10:43 GMT
When Dublin were dominating did they do it based on having a superior midfield ?
With the exception of Fenton and maybe Howard they weren't known for fielding a load of ball around the middle.
It was cluxton hitting it into space for a player to attack.
It was also the speed of the restart to stop lads getting back into positions.
These two areas Kerry need to focus on.
Shane Ryan I think now is the number 1 and should be settled now for the summer.
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Post by peanuts on Mar 29, 2022 13:14:02 GMT
The QF with Galway on 24.4.22 will be looming large for James Horan. I assume its on in Saltill. The loser could find themselves in a qualifier away to Donegal or Armagh for example and the season could be over in a flash. So how would going full pelt v Kerry next Sunday help or hinter preparations for the 24th April? I have no idea what the answer is to that question. Game is fixed for Castlebar. Whether it will be ready or not is another question. |
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