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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 4, 2022 6:23:23 GMT
It will be while before the AI winning u20 offaly players can really impact Offaly i d be a bit concerned Offaly have been able to win an u20 all ireland and we havent! I agree.Nothing from our 5 in a row winning minor teams and we had Jack as manager before Declan.Very dissappointing.Just hope our seniors dont go the same way. Unfortunately it is very much going that way thus far. The 2014 team is eight years out of minor. Hoping and hoping Kerry get over the line ASAP.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 4, 2022 7:54:40 GMT
Kerry would never partake in the spectacle we saw in the Ulster final where both sides were determined not be the sucker who took the ball into contact and lost possession.
Paddy Tally may well succeed in putting a better defensive system in place at senior level but it will never happen that Kerrys attacking instincts are blunted. This may be naivety on Kerrys part but it is what it is.
With this backdrop i have become inured to the disappointment of seeing underage teams losing games they should be winning. Whatever chance we have of seeing the senior team playing a more cagey and less entertaining game, there is zero chance of underage teams changing its approach. Kerry will be successful at underage against weaker panels but many close contests and championships will be left after us when we play teams of equal strength because opponents are more interested in winning and less about playing open entertaining football.
The loss of that minor final to Derry, the 2022 u20 semi final v Tyrone and the 2022 Munster minor final are 3 recent examples.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 8:27:18 GMT
The u20 gig is probably the best chance for someone with designs on the senior job. Jack won’t be around for too long. The main challengers would be someone on Jacks existing coaching ticket but only if they succeed.
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Post by himself on Jun 4, 2022 9:09:23 GMT
I thought Tyrone U20s played good football against us and in fairness the Cork minors played superb attacking football, brilliant to watch for any neutral.
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Post by dubaigaa2022 on Jun 4, 2022 12:20:59 GMT
I thought Tyrone U20s played good football against us and in fairness the Cork minors played superb attacking football, brilliant to watch for any neutral. Have to agree with you 100% - the worst part of watching both those game and more especially the Tyrone game - is how many times did the Kerry player refuse to shoot and by all account - anyone shooting in training was frowned upon and on the other side we had Tyrone shooting from all angles - who ever gets the U20 gig and I presume the minor gig will also be up for grabs this year - we need a man to encourage shooting - just like Clifford and O'Shea - take on the shot - be brave - develop leaders. Declan would probably have dropped both of them as they would need to be back on our 20M line defending!!! As Spillane would say - Puech football !! Did we ever think one of our own would be playing it
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 4, 2022 12:32:35 GMT
Any team can look good on the counter attack. Tyrone u20s and the Cork minors did anyway.
The trick is to attack in a well defined structured way so as to create the opening for the shooter but not get lose possession in the process. Too often it was a Kerry forward doing his own thing and being isolated.
I agree that Cork and Tyrone had very good marksmen and kicked great scores. I am not taking away from that.
But how many scores would each of them have if the 'scores from turnovers' were not there or seriously curtailed.
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Post by thehermit on Jul 6, 2022 15:10:30 GMT
Just seen that Declan has stepped down as U20 boss.
His tenure was a great disappointment as I really had him earmaked to be a senior manager for Kerry some day. Maybe he still will but the style of football the U20s played would not have been the sort to take your breath away.
Any notion whose in the running to replace him?
When you see how quickly Cork have moved to replace Kingston with the hurlers it looks like they have well thought out succession plans in place.
You wonder what, if any, Kerry have. If say Jack left next week for example, whose there to step in??
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 6, 2022 15:18:15 GMT
Just seen that Declan has stepped down as U20 boss. His tenure was a great disappointment as I really had him earmaked to be a senior manager for Kerry some day. Maybe he still will but the style of football the U20s played would not have been the sort to take your breath away. Any notion whose in the running to replace him? When you see how quickly Cork have moved to replace Kingston with the hurlers it looks like they have well thought out succession plans in place. You wonder what, if any, Kerry have. If say Jack left next week for example, whose there to step in??
Any chance of getting Tomás in or is the Offaly gig wrapped up?
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 6, 2022 15:21:37 GMT
Outside of Tomás who is a viable candidate for the gig? I presume Costello will say at the minors. I don't think he is the right man for the job anyway. Who were all the people on the 'galacticos' management ticket that went for the senior job? Was it Moynihan, Stack, Cinneide, O'Mahony.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jul 6, 2022 15:29:41 GMT
Just seen that Declan has stepped down as U20 boss. His tenure was a great disappointment as I really had him earmaked to be a senior manager for Kerry some day. Maybe he still will but the style of football the U20s played would not have been the sort to take your breath away. Any notion whose in the running to replace him? When you see how quickly Cork have moved to replace Kingston with the hurlers it looks like they have well thought out succession plans in place. You wonder what, if any, Kerry have. If say Jack left next week for example, whose there to step in??
Any chance of getting Tomás in or is the Offaly gig wrapped up? If Tomás was offered both the u20 and Offaly jobs which would he choose I wonder. For me he’d be better off going for the u20. Himself along with Moynihan and Donie Buckley is the ideal option. Those 3 applied the time Declan was appointed so they’re keen to work together.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jul 6, 2022 15:38:22 GMT
Outside of Tomás who is a viable candidate for the gig? I presume Costello will say at the minors. I don't think he is the right man for the job anyway. Who were all the people on the 'galacticos' management ticket that went for the senior job? Was it Moynihan, Stack, Cinneide, O'Mahony. Surely Costello will have to be replaced as minor manager. Personally I wouldn’t like to see Stack get it. Options after Tomás are scarce enough. Chance Donaghy although he has little experience? If you’re looking at a manager from the club scene Jimmy Keane is best placed as a former Kerry Junior manager. Would Eamonn Fitzmaurice be interested? Aidan O’Mahony another who could be in the mix, maybe could pair him with Donaghy. Ideally we are trying to find our next Senior manager with this appointment I believe.
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Post by homerj on Jul 6, 2022 18:58:32 GMT
there definitely is a huge lack of quality management offers in the network in Kerry.
right now, if Jack left, we dont have somebody in waiting and that is a huge worry. anybody starting out at minor or 20s now, have alot to prove.
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Post by southward on Jul 6, 2022 19:27:21 GMT
there definitely is a huge lack of quality management offers in the network in Kerry. right now, if Jack left, we dont have somebody in waiting and that is a huge worry. anybody starting out at minor or 20s now, have alot to prove. Jack has only been appointed and already we're fretting about having a proven top-drawer replacement on standby. I very much doubt that other counties have a Micko or a Guardiola in every parish just in case they're needed. No surprise Declan stepping down. The style of play was terrible this year, awful stuff, especially for underage. The minor wasn't any better tbh.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 6, 2022 19:41:15 GMT
Outside of Tomás who is a viable candidate for the gig? I presume Costello will say at the minors. I don't think he is the right man for the job anyway. Who were all the people on the 'galacticos' management ticket that went for the senior job? Was it Moynihan, Stack, Cinneide, O'Mahony. Leaving the sarcasm to one side...it seems the obvious move for the Moynihan. Stack, OCinneide ticket.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 6, 2022 19:44:25 GMT
Minor job between Marc Sė, Sean Bàn Sullivan or John Connell.
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Post by hatchetman on Jul 6, 2022 20:28:21 GMT
Who is John Connell?
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Post by homerj on Jul 6, 2022 21:20:10 GMT
there definitely is a huge lack of quality management offers in the network in Kerry. right now, if Jack left, we dont have somebody in waiting and that is a huge worry. anybody starting out at minor or 20s now, have alot to prove. Jack has only been appointed and already we're fretting about having a proven top-drawer replacement on standby. I very much doubt that other counties have a Micko or a Guardiola in every parish just in case they're needed. No surprise Declan stepping down. The style of play was terrible this year, awful stuff, especially for underage. The minor wasn't any better tbh. It can take 4 or 5 years to grow a successor. Right now, there doesn't appear to be anybody to step up anytime soon.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 6, 2022 22:08:02 GMT
Jack has only been appointed and already we're fretting about having a proven top-drawer replacement on standby. I very much doubt that other counties have a Micko or a Guardiola in every parish just in case they're needed. No surprise Declan stepping down. The style of play was terrible this year, awful stuff, especially for underage. The minor wasn't any better tbh. It can take 4 or 5 years to grow a successor. Right now, there doesn't appear to be anybody to step up anytime soon. Current selectors, Diarmuid Murphy or Mike Quirke would be well capable of taking over from Jack.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 6, 2022 22:08:52 GMT
Minor job between Marc Sė, Sean Bàn Sullivan or John Connell. I heard a few days ago that PK was interested!
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 6, 2022 22:17:37 GMT
I like PK, had an excellent minor record, to be fair only lost three games as senior manager, Dublin replay, Cork with the sucker punch and Tyrone in extra time without DC.
I think Lady Luck was very unkind to the Caherciveen man., personally I’d rather he took a stint at the elusive U20 grade.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jul 6, 2022 22:41:31 GMT
Minor job between Marc Sė, Sean Bàn Sullivan or John Connell. I heard a few days ago that PK was interested! He’d be a great appointment for the minors. He would give us the best chance of winning All Irelands and also develop players. I think it is widely acknowledged that he was very unlucky as Senior manager. Experience at inter county Senior level can not be under estimated so surely PK is a better manager now than he was pre 2019. That is why I would not be against him becoming Senior manager again in the future. I think after Jack would be too soon (which is why I think the minor job is more appropriate rather than the u20) but let him have the minors, eventually move him up to the 20s and then he could possibly have a crack at the Seniors again. On the Senior Inter County experience point, I would see Eamonn Fitzmaurice if interested as a contender for the u20s. We are not overflowing with quality managers in the county and both men are certainly among the top managers in the county so I think it is a good idea to keep both of those men in consideration for management positions in the county.
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Post by kingdom1983 on Jul 14, 2022 9:28:08 GMT
Is there going to be a Kerry u20 or U21 Club championship this year? I saw it was played off last year and finished in Fitzgerald stadium for the final for the back end of the year finish. With the U21 County Championship nearly finished up I was just thinking this might be a good competition of Club players to keep playing at there own age in build up to next year.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 17, 2022 15:40:41 GMT
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 17, 2022 17:01:27 GMT
Would that make the O Se brothers the first siblings to manage a Kerry team?
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 17, 2022 17:27:18 GMT
Would that make the O Se brothers the first siblings to manage a Kerry team? Great choice, has experience under Billy with Nemo and UCC as well as the Offally stint. His background team will be interesting, rumours of Moynihan on the ticket
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Post by homerj on Aug 17, 2022 18:29:27 GMT
Ya all about the backroom team We've badly transitioned from minors to 20s over the last 6 or 7 years so we really need to get act in gear ASAP.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 17, 2022 19:32:21 GMT
Ya all about the backroom team We've badly transitioned from minors to 20s over the last 6 or 7 years so we really need to get act in gear ASAP. If Kevin McStay doesn’t get the Mayo job I’d expect Donie Buckley to be involved, Tomás wanted him last time. Moynihan appears to be a certainty to be involved. We’ve had the players to win an All Ireland at this level each year since 2016. The talent is there next year too, if the management of the group is good enough a long overdue u20 All Ireland will be won. Hopefully Tomás does better than Declan, Sugrue and even Jack who didn’t fare great at this age group.
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Post by homerj on Aug 17, 2022 19:38:43 GMT
i doubt Donie Buckley would go involved with Kerry again, and at 20s level
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 17, 2022 20:50:48 GMT
Would that make the O Se brothers the first siblings to manage a Kerry team? Darragh was the under 21 coach for 2015/2016
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 17, 2022 21:07:05 GMT
i doubt Donie Buckley would go involved with Kerry again, and at 20s level He went for it last time along with Tomás and Moynihan.
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