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Post by Mickmack on May 16, 2022 22:03:30 GMT
After Meath walked all over him literally in 1996 Peter probably decided he would do what ever it took to get his hands on a celtic cross.
The dark arts were not beyond him. He even invented one himself in that incident with Michael McCarthy which was a new low as far as i am concerned.
He was one of the greatest forwards i have ever seen. His son Ruairi is so like him in style.
He seems a happy content man now and he must be a very proud man to have such a talented family.
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Post by ciarraimick on May 16, 2022 23:12:41 GMT
I don't have a massive amount to impart about the Tyrone U20s but I thought it might surprise some people here to learn that the feeling in the county is that the U20 management team had underachieved and that it was poor tactics that led to All-Ireland semi-final defeats in 2019 and 2020. So either we were too harsh or the current crop is a particularly talented team. Maybe the management has improved even. Thought it was worth mentioning after reading some criticism of Declan O'Sullivan here. Maybe it's not that relevant but it's just funny how things panned out - the Tyrone management definitely got plenty of stick after previous defeats. Ruairi Canavan still has another year at U20 level and I'd be surprised if he's thrown into the deep end with the seniors for another year or two. They kept Darragh Canavan in reserve for a while even after drafting him into the senior squad, he was very carefully managed. As someone alluded to here they're a very sensible family. I know Peter Canavan isn't that popular in Kerry and I understand that but he genuinely comes across as having no ego to speak of and I don't think that's bias on my part because I wouldn't say the same thing about certain other Tyrone greats. Tyroneperson I can only speak for myself but I have the utmost respect and admiration for Peter Canavan. One of the all time greats. I was angry with him at end of 05 final but Peter did what he had to do. A legend and many of my friends in Kerry have nothing but respect for Peter. P. S. congrats on the u20 all ireland win. Well deserved and some great players such as Ruari Canavan and Mike McGleenon. |
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Post by himself on May 17, 2022 6:32:23 GMT
I'd have huge admiration for Peter Canavan, not just because of his brilliant football, but because of how he carries himself.
I don't want to take away from Tyrone, or any team that wins an All Ireland, but in all honesty I thought it was a poor U20 championship filled with mostly negative, overly-defensive football - and Kerry were as guilty of that as anyone. I agree that Ruairi Canavan was an exception.
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Post by dc84 on May 17, 2022 7:33:29 GMT
Id say canavan is very popular in kerry tbh ! I did think it wasn't the highest quality u20 championship as well with the exception of ruari canavan he looked a class apart imo.
If he was playing for kerry kildare or dublin they wouldve won.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 17, 2022 9:22:37 GMT
Perception and reality.
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Post by Mickmack on May 17, 2022 10:40:03 GMT
The Dublin v Kildare game was a very entertaining game with no sign of tactics. Like an under 14 feile game.
I though Tyrone were brilliant to watch. Such intelligence in their approach. Defended as a unit and attached as a unit. They kicked points from all angles and distances with half backs and midfielders scoring about 6 of them.
Kerry played into Tyrones red hands but shur arent we well used to that now.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jun 2, 2022 22:10:25 GMT
Tony Leen on the Irish Examiner podcast said that Declan won’t be continuing as u20 manager next year. He put Tomás O’Sé forward for the role saying he’s very popular with the players in Offaly. If Declan does step away this is yet again a very important appointment.
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Post by dubaigaa2022 on Jun 2, 2022 23:16:04 GMT
Tony Leen on the Irish Examiner podcast said that Declan won’t be continuing as u20 manager next year. He put Tomás O’Sé forward for the role saying he’s very popular with the players in Offaly. If Declan does step away this is yet again a very important appointment. That is interesting !! Let’s hope we get a brave manger who plays football - Declan’s style was brutal and maybe with a change of the grade going from U20 to U21 would be even more interesting !! Definitely over half the team wouldn’t start .. |
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Post by peanuts on Jun 3, 2022 8:23:32 GMT
Tony Leen on the Irish Examiner podcast said that Declan won’t be continuing as u20 manager next year. He put Tomás O’Sé forward for the role saying he’s very popular with the players in Offaly. If Declan does step away this is yet again a very important appointment. Tomas went for it last time as fa as I remember. I'd have no issues with him getting it, hopefully he'll do better than Darragh did. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jun 3, 2022 10:02:39 GMT
Tony Leen on the Irish Examiner podcast said that Declan won’t be continuing as u20 manager next year. He put Tomás O’Sé forward for the role saying he’s very popular with the players in Offaly. If Declan does step away this is yet again a very important appointment. Tomas went for it last time as fa as I remember. I'd have no issues with him getting it, hopefully he'll do better than Darragh did. He did as joint manager with Seamus Moynihan and Donie Buckley as trainer. Looking back that’s definitely the option that should have been chosen. I think he’s a very good choice again this time. With this appointment we are trying to find the next Senior manager for when Jack O’Connor doesn’t want to continue. I think Tomás has the makings of a good manager but obviously we won’t know until he gets a role such as this one. Moynihan would probably come in with him which would be good, Donie Buckley might not now he’s with Monaghan although Banty might not still be their manager for next season so Buckley might be available. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Jun 3, 2022 13:23:24 GMT
Tony Leen on the Irish Examiner podcast said that Declan won’t be continuing as u20 manager next year. He put Tomás O’Sé forward for the role saying he’s very popular with the players in Offaly. If Declan does step away this is yet again a very important appointment. Popularity does nt mean you ré a winner. Darragh was popular too and his record was brutal. PK was popular with the senior as was Donie Buckley. Declan was unlucky last year but this year not great. Tomás although only number 2 has nt improved Offaly one iota although they have u 20 winners on board now. They lost to Wexford in a whimper. No rush with appointment and get views from lots of people. Journalists have their own agenda sometimes. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 3, 2022 13:44:37 GMT
Tony Leen on the Irish Examiner podcast said that Declan won’t be continuing as u20 manager next year. He put Tomás O’Sé forward for the role saying he’s very popular with the players in Offaly. If Declan does step away this is yet again a very important appointment. Popularity does nt mean you ré a winner. Darragh was popular too and his record was brutal. PK was popular with the senior as was Donie Buckley. Declan was unlucky last year but this year not great. Tomás although only number 2 has nt improved Offaly one iota although they have u 20 winners on board now. They lost to Wexford in a whimper. No rush with appointment and get views from lots of people. Journalists have their own agenda sometimes. I wonder will Dara Cinneide and Seamus Moynihan and Stephen Stack etc express an interest. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Jun 3, 2022 18:53:04 GMT
Popularity does nt mean you ré a winner. Darragh was popular too and his record was brutal. PK was popular with the senior as was Donie Buckley. Declan was unlucky last year but this year not great. Tomás although only number 2 has nt improved Offaly one iota although they have u 20 winners on board now. They lost to Wexford in a whimper. No rush with appointment and get views from lots of people. Journalists have their own agenda sometimes. I wonder will Dara Cinneide and Seamus Moynihan and Stephen Stack etc express an interest. I would like to see Moynihan definitely given a chance and yeah Dara O Cinneide might be good too.Not sure id be a fan of Stack as a manager. |
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Post by mossie on Jun 3, 2022 20:46:29 GMT
Tony Leen on the Irish Examiner podcast said that Declan won’t be continuing as u20 manager next year. He put Tomás O’Sé forward for the role saying he’s very popular with the players in Offaly. If Declan does step away this is yet again a very important appointment. Popularity does nt mean you ré a winner. Darragh was popular too and his record was brutal. PK was popular with the senior as was Donie Buckley. Declan was unlucky last year but this year not great. Tomás although only number 2 has nt improved Offaly one iota although they have u 20 winners on board now. They lost to Wexford in a whimper. No rush with appointment and get views from lots of people. Journalists have their own agenda sometimes. It will be while before the AI winning u20 offaly players can really impact Offaly i d be a bit concerned Offaly have been able to win an u20 all ireland and we havent! |
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Post by ciarraimick on Jun 3, 2022 22:01:03 GMT
Popularity does nt mean you ré a winner. Darragh was popular too and his record was brutal. PK was popular with the senior as was Donie Buckley. Declan was unlucky last year but this year not great. Tomás although only number 2 has nt improved Offaly one iota although they have u 20 winners on board now. They lost to Wexford in a whimper. No rush with appointment and get views from lots of people. Journalists have their own agenda sometimes. It will be while before the AI winning u20 offaly players can really impact Offaly i d be a bit concerned Offaly have been able to win an u20 all ireland and we havent! I agree.Nothing from our 5 in a row winning minor teams and we had Jack as manager before Declan.Very dissappointing.Just hope our seniors dont go the same way. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 4, 2022 6:23:23 GMT
It will be while before the AI winning u20 offaly players can really impact Offaly i d be a bit concerned Offaly have been able to win an u20 all ireland and we havent! I agree.Nothing from our 5 in a row winning minor teams and we had Jack as manager before Declan.Very dissappointing.Just hope our seniors dont go the same way. Unfortunately it is very much going that way thus far. The 2014 team is eight years out of minor. Hoping and hoping Kerry get over the line ASAP. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 4, 2022 7:54:40 GMT
Kerry would never partake in the spectacle we saw in the Ulster final where both sides were determined not be the sucker who took the ball into contact and lost possession.
Paddy Tally may well succeed in putting a better defensive system in place at senior level but it will never happen that Kerrys attacking instincts are blunted. This may be naivety on Kerrys part but it is what it is.
With this backdrop i have become inured to the disappointment of seeing underage teams losing games they should be winning. Whatever chance we have of seeing the senior team playing a more cagey and less entertaining game, there is zero chance of underage teams changing its approach. Kerry will be successful at underage against weaker panels but many close contests and championships will be left after us when we play teams of equal strength because opponents are more interested in winning and less about playing open entertaining football.
The loss of that minor final to Derry, the 2022 u20 semi final v Tyrone and the 2022 Munster minor final are 3 recent examples.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 8:27:18 GMT
The u20 gig is probably the best chance for someone with designs on the senior job. Jack won’t be around for too long. The main challengers would be someone on Jacks existing coaching ticket but only if they succeed.
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Post by himself on Jun 4, 2022 9:09:23 GMT
I thought Tyrone U20s played good football against us and in fairness the Cork minors played superb attacking football, brilliant to watch for any neutral.
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Post by dubaigaa2022 on Jun 4, 2022 12:20:59 GMT
I thought Tyrone U20s played good football against us and in fairness the Cork minors played superb attacking football, brilliant to watch for any neutral. Have to agree with you 100% - the worst part of watching both those game and more especially the Tyrone game - is how many times did the Kerry player refuse to shoot and by all account - anyone shooting in training was frowned upon and on the other side we had Tyrone shooting from all angles - who ever gets the U20 gig and I presume the minor gig will also be up for grabs this year - we need a man to encourage shooting - just like Clifford and O'Shea - take on the shot - be brave - develop leaders. Declan would probably have dropped both of them as they would need to be back on our 20M line defending!!! As Spillane would say - Puech football !! Did we ever think one of our own would be playing it |
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 4, 2022 12:32:35 GMT
Any team can look good on the counter attack.
Tyrone u20s and the Cork minors did anyway.
The trick is to attack in a well defined structured way so as to create the opening for the shooter but not get lose possession in the process. Too often it was a Kerry forward doing his own thing and being isolated.
I agree that Cork and Tyrone had very good marksmen and kicked great scores. I am not taking away from that.
But how many scores would each of them have if the 'scores from turnovers' were not there or seriously curtailed.
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Post by thehermit on Jul 6, 2022 15:10:30 GMT
Just seen that Declan has stepped down as U20 boss.
His tenure was a great disappointment as I really had him earmaked to be a senior manager for Kerry some day. Maybe he still will but the style of football the U20s played would not have been the sort to take your breath away.
Any notion whose in the running to replace him?
When you see how quickly Cork have moved to replace Kingston with the hurlers it looks like they have well thought out succession plans in place.
You wonder what, if any, Kerry have. If say Jack left next week for example, whose there to step in??
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 6, 2022 15:18:15 GMT
Just seen that Declan has stepped down as U20 boss. His tenure was a great disappointment as I really had him earmaked to be a senior manager for Kerry some day. Maybe he still will but the style of football the U20s played would not have been the sort to take your breath away. Any notion whose in the running to replace him? When you see how quickly Cork have moved to replace Kingston with the hurlers it looks like they have well thought out succession plans in place. You wonder what, if any, Kerry have. If say Jack left next week for example, whose there to step in??
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 6, 2022 15:21:37 GMT
Outside of Tomás who is a viable candidate for the gig? I presume Costello will say at the minors. I don't think he is the right man for the job anyway. Who were all the people on the 'galacticos' management ticket that went for the senior job? Was it Moynihan, Stack, Cinneide, O'Mahony.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jul 6, 2022 15:29:41 GMT
Just seen that Declan has stepped down as U20 boss. His tenure was a great disappointment as I really had him earmaked to be a senior manager for Kerry some day. Maybe he still will but the style of football the U20s played would not have been the sort to take your breath away. Any notion whose in the running to replace him? When you see how quickly Cork have moved to replace Kingston with the hurlers it looks like they have well thought out succession plans in place. You wonder what, if any, Kerry have. If say Jack left next week for example, whose there to step in??
Any chance of getting Tomás in or is the Offaly gig wrapped up? If Tomás was offered both the u20 and Offaly jobs which would he choose I wonder. For me he’d be better off going for the u20. Himself along with Moynihan and Donie Buckley is the ideal option. Those 3 applied the time Declan was appointed so they’re keen to work together. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jul 6, 2022 15:38:22 GMT
Outside of Tomás who is a viable candidate for the gig? I presume Costello will say at the minors. I don't think he is the right man for the job anyway. Who were all the people on the 'galacticos' management ticket that went for the senior job? Was it Moynihan, Stack, Cinneide, O'Mahony. Surely Costello will have to be replaced as minor manager. Personally I wouldn’t like to see Stack get it. Options after Tomás are scarce enough. Chance Donaghy although he has little experience? If you’re looking at a manager from the club scene Jimmy Keane is best placed as a former Kerry Junior manager. Would Eamonn Fitzmaurice be interested? Aidan O’Mahony another who could be in the mix, maybe could pair him with Donaghy. Ideally we are trying to find our next Senior manager with this appointment I believe. |
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Post by homerj on Jul 6, 2022 18:58:32 GMT
there definitely is a huge lack of quality management offers in the network in Kerry.
right now, if Jack left, we dont have somebody in waiting and that is a huge worry. anybody starting out at minor or 20s now, have alot to prove.
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Post by southward on Jul 6, 2022 19:27:21 GMT
there definitely is a huge lack of quality management offers in the network in Kerry. right now, if Jack left, we dont have somebody in waiting and that is a huge worry. anybody starting out at minor or 20s now, have alot to prove. Jack has only been appointed and already we're fretting about having a proven top-drawer replacement on standby. I very much doubt that other counties have a Micko or a Guardiola in every parish just in case they're needed. No surprise Declan stepping down. The style of play was terrible this year, awful stuff, especially for underage. The minor wasn't any better tbh. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Jul 6, 2022 19:34:05 GMT
there definitely is a huge lack of quality management offers in the network in Kerry. right now, if Jack left, we dont have somebody in waiting and that is a huge worry. anybody starting out at minor or 20s now, have alot to prove. Its not rocket science. There might be plenty of good managers out there that gave nt managed yet. Just reading some posters views here one can tell some would make good managers. Won't mention them though😁. Would nt worry bout lack of managers in Kerry at all. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 6, 2022 19:41:15 GMT
Outside of Tomás who is a viable candidate for the gig? I presume Costello will say at the minors. I don't think he is the right man for the job anyway. Who were all the people on the 'galacticos' management ticket that went for the senior job? Was it Moynihan, Stack, Cinneide, O'Mahony. Leaving the sarcasm to one side...it seems the obvious move for the Moynihan. Stack, OCinneide ticket. |
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