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Post by mossie on May 8, 2022 20:17:01 GMT
We’re a shambles at this level. Nothing won since 2008 . Terrible record really . Very poor performance by management. Yet again Tyrone beat us . Happens at every level definitely our bogey team. in fairness, the kerry seniors were on a good run beating Tyrone until the semi final last summer
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Post by Mickmack on May 8, 2022 20:23:05 GMT
We’re a shambles at this level. Nothing won since 2008 . Terrible record really . Very poor performance by management. Yet again Tyrone beat us . Happens at every level definitely our bogey team. I believe the lack of interest in this level is very evident at CB level in Kerry - the way the club scene is managed at this grade is evidence of this and it seems to seep through to the county set up also. The club competition it run off with disgusting haste and no consideration for players - there was a club and divisional competition but the former disappeared a few years ago. Games are played mid week and we had the final played without the county players a few years ago. I also have a recollection of JOC saying his main role in managing the U21's was player development with the hope a few lads would go on to play senior. Winning AI's at this grade does not appear to be a priority for the CB - other counties had the same attitude to the junior grade so perhaps the reality is you can only do so much. Is the grade on the way out - one U19 grade replacing minor and U20 with the current U17/Minor grade becoming a developmental competition. A lot to ponder on in that.
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Post by dubaigaa2022 on May 8, 2022 20:39:53 GMT
We’re a shambles at this level. Nothing won since 2008 . Terrible record really . Very poor performance by management. Yet again Tyrone beat us . Happens at every level definitely our bogey team. in fairness, the kerry seniors were on a good run beating Tyrone until the semi final last summer When you lose an all ireland semi final to a team that you beat by 6 points 3 years ago - you have to ask Q’s - why didn’t Hassett start? It was Tyrone we were playing not a Cork team which were missing 7 starters !! Power was going to be key - we all knew that - Declan should have know it - Tyrone caught him a few times as a player and as a manager with Dromid . We have been poor even thought we had been winning .. this was the real test - and we failed - our return from the forwards were dismal - nothing seems to be learned from the previous games .., we have 2 guys MF - that are natural 10 & 12’s - while the guys playing MF and on the age watch the game on tv !! Wing backs playing wing forwards and non scoring corner forwards and centre forwards - changes were just too slow .. Kieran Sullivan was ignored because he moved to Nemo - playing CB for the senior team - but not good enough for this team? You have to ask - where that decision came from? Why bring on Jack Connor with 3 minutes to go? Where was Will Shine? Why have him there if he wasn’t been considered to play! Management is not for everyone - Jack O’Connor, Peter Keane - these guys were not kerry players - but excellent managers - none of the greats have been successful yet .. and I can’t see any of them managing the Kerry senior team in the future .. Tyrone will win the final - they have that winning mentality - we were 4 points up and threw it away .. but in my very humble opinion - that team representing Kerry today were short 5 or 6 of the team that beat them in the minor 1/4 final .. so apologies for been critical but it needs to be said .. noe the campaign is over - style of play 3 out of 10; team selection 5 out of 10 and game smart a big fat zero Looking forward to 2023 .. Would Peter Keane return I wonder ..,
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Post by thehermit on May 8, 2022 21:38:16 GMT
So disappointing to see us fail yet again at this grade. We were by far the better side in the first half but silly errors meant we only lead by the minimum.
We did so well to grab the initiative in the early second half,some brilliant high fielding and the quick fire goal and point opened a four point gap and it seemed that would see us cross the line in style. Alas instead of pressing our advantage, we only increased our error count and continued to stupidly try and solo run through a gang of 2-3 Tyrone defenders.
Tyrone's goal was the result of a fortune rebound but once it registered they grabbed the initiative and never handed it back.
I often wonder looking at our repeated failures at this grade if we are making a mistake in not physically developing these lads better. It's as if we still take the same approach as at minor, selecting naturally gifted footballers and worrying about making them athletes once they move on to senior.
Had huge hopes for Declan as a manager but it's been a disappointing tenure, no two ways about it.
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Post by dubaigaa2022 on May 8, 2022 22:36:55 GMT
So disappointing to see us fail yet again at this grade. We were by far the better side in the first half but silly errors meant we only lead by the minimum. We did so well to grab the initiative in the early second half,some brilliant high fielding and the quick fire goal and point opened a four point gap and it seemed that would see us cross the line in style. Alas instead of pressing our advantage, we only increased our error count and continued to stupidly try and solo run through a gang of 2-3 Tyrone defenders. Tyrone's goal was the result of a fortune rebound but once it registered they grabbed the initiative and never handed it back. I often wonder looking at our repeated failures at this grade if we are making a mistake in not physically developing these lads better. It's as if we still take the same approach as at minor, selecting naturally gifted footballers and worrying about making them athletes once they move on to senior. Had huge hopes for Declan as a manager but it's been a disappointing tenure, no two ways about it. Totally agree with you - to beat Tyrone you need men - boys will not do for you .. Declan should know that - and his management had plenty experience also .. at least today there was some football played - against Clare and Cork the style was horrific - a style akin to a team with no football !! Can you imagine giving that management team our senior footballers !! MaYbe the defeat is a blessing in disguise - We have footballers in Kerry - the county is full of them. - throw away the GPS and play footballers - listening to some of these coaches - it’s like we are looking to produce middle distant runners - yet they can’t tackle or kick the ball over the bar from 40 yards !! So now it’s the minors on Thursday evening - let’s hope James Costello plays an attacking brand of Kerry football ..
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Post by kerryboyo on May 8, 2022 23:38:17 GMT
Obviously the result was disappointing but theirs some good prospects to come out of this bunch and a lot of the starters are underage again next year and they’ll have another craic Peter keane should give it a go he’s very good with youth ,
You’ll have Nagle Callaghan Heinrich O Donnell Burke Evans From the starting team on the bench there’s more and there’s 1 or 2 to come in from the 2021 minors and this years minors I presume so give the job to keane and see can he craic the code
I believe the 20s didn’t do s&c work as team it was individually
They had a program and they’d do 4 sessions a month and one would be together in Currans and the rest would be individual at their clubs etc
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Post by greengold35 on May 9, 2022 8:28:16 GMT
in fairness, the kerry seniors were on a good run beating Tyrone until the semi final last summer When you lose an all ireland semi final to a team that you beat by 6 points 3 years ago - you have to ask Q’s - why didn’t Hassett start? It was Tyrone we were playing not a Cork team which were missing 7 starters !! Power was going to be key - we all knew that - Declan should have know it - Tyrone caught him a few times as a player and as a manager with Dromid . We have been poor even thought we had been winning .. this was the real test - and we failed - our return from the forwards were dismal - nothing seems to be learned from the previous games .., we have 2 guys MF - that are natural 10 & 12’s - while the guys playing MF and on the age watch the game on tv !! Wing backs playing wing forwards and non scoring corner forwards and centre forwards - changes were just too slow .. Kieran Sullivan was ignored because he moved to Nemo - playing CB for the senior team - but not good enough for this team? You have to ask - where that decision came from? Why bring on Jack Connor with 3 minutes to go? Where was Will Shine? Why have him there if he wasn’t been considered to play! Management is not for everyone - Jack O’Connor, Peter Keane - these guys were not kerry players - but excellent managers - none of the greats have been successful yet .. and I can’t see any of them managing the Kerry senior team in the future .. Tyrone will win the final - they have that winning mentality - we were 4 points up and threw it away .. but in my very humble opinion - that team representing Kerry today were short 5 or 6 of the team that beat them in the minor 1/4 final .. so apologies for been critical but it needs to be said .. noe the campaign is over - style of play 3 out of 10; team selection 5 out of 10 and game smart a big fat zero Looking forward to 2023 .. Would Peter Keane return I wonder .., Comparing what happened 3 years ago at minor level when both teams lined up with only 4 starters from that game is largely irrelevant - the issue for me is that we didnt learn anything much from the Cork game where the forward subs Kissane, O'Connor and Hassett were impressive and turned the tide that night - why none of them were deemed good enough to start yesterday and were late on being introduced is a mystery.
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Post by taggert on May 9, 2022 10:07:22 GMT
When you lose an all ireland semi final to a team that you beat by 6 points 3 years ago - you have to ask Q’s - why didn’t Hassett start? It was Tyrone we were playing not a Cork team which were missing 7 starters !! Power was going to be key - we all knew that - Declan should have know it - Tyrone caught him a few times as a player and as a manager with Dromid . We have been poor even thought we had been winning .. this was the real test - and we failed - our return from the forwards were dismal - nothing seems to be learned from the previous games .., we have 2 guys MF - that are natural 10 & 12’s - while the guys playing MF and on the age watch the game on tv !! Wing backs playing wing forwards and non scoring corner forwards and centre forwards - changes were just too slow .. Kieran Sullivan was ignored because he moved to Nemo - playing CB for the senior team - but not good enough for this team? You have to ask - where that decision came from? Why bring on Jack Connor with 3 minutes to go? Where was Will Shine? Why have him there if he wasn’t been considered to play! Management is not for everyone - Jack O’Connor, Peter Keane - these guys were not kerry players - but excellent managers - none of the greats have been successful yet .. and I can’t see any of them managing the Kerry senior team in the future .. Tyrone will win the final - they have that winning mentality - we were 4 points up and threw it away .. but in my very humble opinion - that team representing Kerry today were short 5 or 6 of the team that beat them in the minor 1/4 final .. so apologies for been critical but it needs to be said .. noe the campaign is over - style of play 3 out of 10; team selection 5 out of 10 and game smart a big fat zero Looking forward to 2023 .. Would Peter Keane return I wonder .., Comparing what happened 3 years ago at minor level when both teams lined up with only 4 starters from that game is largely irrelevant - the issue for me is that we didnt learn anything much from the Cork game where the forward subs Kissane, O'Connor and Hassett were impressive and turned the tide that night - why none of them were deemed good enough to start yesterday and were late on being introduced is a mystery. Yes, thats the thing. Declan got away with it against a weakened Cork. Complete and utter folly to go with the same again yesterday, with no change. Thought Kerrys forward play yesterday, save for 2 or 3 good plays, was absolutely attrocious. The sad part of it all is this years competition was very winnable - mediocre standard at best.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 9, 2022 10:30:12 GMT
I might be a lone voice here but the criticism of the team yesterday seems a bit harsh to me.
I thought they were much improved from their Munster games.
Tyrone had a star in their ranks one that will be a nailed on senior with his brothers.
Kerry didn't have a real stand our player but they compensated with very good work rate.
Kerry led for the majority of the game and the goal was fortuitous enough so for most of the game they did well.
A sucker punch caught us sometimes that just happens like down in Cork in 2020.
Who knows who might break through to the seniors but a few of those backs look like real propects.
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Post by dubaigaa2022 on May 9, 2022 12:24:35 GMT
I might be a lone voice here but the criticism of the team yesterday seems a bit harsh to me. I thought they were much improved from their Munster games. Tyrone had a star in their ranks one that will be a nailed on senior with his brothers. Kerry didn't have a real stand our player but they compensated with very good work rate. Kerry led for the majority of the game and the goal was fortuitous enough so for most of the game they did well. A sucker punch caught us sometimes that just happens like down in Cork in 2020. Who knows who might break through to the seniors but a few of those backs look like real propects. Would love to agree with you but can’t - first hint of pressure and first few class forwards - backs wilted - in fairness between Clare and Cork there wasn’t a forward who would make a club senior team - in any of the county league divisions !! Our best back was J Nagle and his man kicked 8 points!! Still he is underage again next year and I’m sure the experience with stand to him - of the 15 - Devon Burns looks the best prospect in my eyes - the 6 forwards were just average at best and when the pressure came on - they imploded - Hassett should have been there from the start of the game - it was clear from early days that the HF line was in trouble .. and as I stated previously - bringing on Jack O’Connor with 3 minutes to go - were they expecting miracles after watching some v poor performances for 55 minutes .. they will all be playing county league this week - let’s keep an eye on them and see how they progress .. step 1 is do it for your club .. the experience of the Kerry jersey should make them better players but I’m pretty sure they will be encouraged to kick the ball more with their clubs and kick it over the bar and not be afraid to take the shot .. that was the huge difference to be yesterday .. the ability to kick scores ..
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Post by thehermit on May 9, 2022 12:37:29 GMT
I suppose if onlyKerry is right than maybe we should not be so worried about our lack of success at this level if indeed the CB do not see it as too important.
Still as the standard bearers of Gaelic football traditionally we should always be competitive at any level from schools, to junior to masters level!
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 9, 2022 14:13:52 GMT
I might be a lone voice here but the criticism of the team yesterday seems a bit harsh to me. I thought they were much improved from their Munster games. Tyrone had a star in their ranks one that will be a nailed on senior with his brothers. Kerry didn't have a real stand our player but they compensated with very good work rate. Kerry led for the majority of the game and the goal was fortuitous enough so for most of the game they did well. A sucker punch caught us sometimes that just happens like down in Cork in 2020. Who knows who might break through to the seniors but a few of those backs look like real propects. Would love to agree with you but can’t - first hint of pressure and first few class forwards - backs wilted - in fairness between Clare and Cork there wasn’t a forward who would make a club senior team - in any of the county league divisions !! Our best back was J Nagle and his man kicked 8 points!! Still he is underage again next year and I’m sure the experience with stand to him - of the 15 - Devon Burns looks the best prospect in my eyes - the 6 forwards were just average at best and when the pressure came on - they imploded - Hassett should have been there from the start of the game - it was clear from early days that the HF line was in trouble .. and as I stated previously - bringing on Jack O’Connor with 3 minutes to go - were they expecting miracles after watching some v poor performances for 55 minutes .. they will all be playing county league this week - let’s keep an eye on them and see how they progress .. step 1 is do it for your club .. the experience of the Kerry jersey should make them better players but I’m pretty sure they will be encouraged to kick the ball more with their clubs and kick it over the bar and not be afraid to take the shot .. that was the huge difference to be yesterday .. the ability to kick scores .. David Clifford done what Ruari Canavan done to many a good back so I don't think that's the benchmark. The problem yesterday was being unable to break down a crowded defence something that all our teams have struggled with. One thing I was a bit surprised with was one or two lads cramping up which isn't a great sign.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on May 9, 2022 17:06:31 GMT
I don’t think the 3 scoring subs from the Cork game starting would have made any difference. They did very well when they came on against Cork but I don’t think they are better than what started. Kissane is suited to coming on in the second half of the game when backs are tired so his pace is more effective. O’Connor I think benefited from Cork leaving space at the back late on. Hassett had the biggest claim to start but that probably would have been in place of Goulding who turned out to be our best player on the day.
Ruairi Canavan hasn’t been in that kind of scoring form from play in any previous game. Can probably be put down to him raising his game on the big day. It was a tough day for Nagle who has shown great promise in all previous appearances for Kerry at both minor and u20. It reminded me of the day Dylan Casey had at u20 level in 2019 marking Cathail O’Mahony who impressed for the Cork Seniors at the weekend. Like his fellow Stacks man did, I’m sure Nagle will learn a lot from marking such a high quality player and come back stronger.
In terms of Senior prospects from the team, the main one I’d be looking at is Cillian Burke. He’s a little bit raw and needs developing but he has huge potential. After that I think the 2 corner backs could very well reach that standard with a few years development. That’s what I’d be looking at anyway. Most of our Senior team are young and will be there for years to come, so I don’t think we are going to see a huge volume of players from an underage team end up being Kerry Seniors.
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Post by mossie on May 9, 2022 17:51:59 GMT
Agree re Cillian Burke, good cut about him
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Post by ryle1973 on May 9, 2022 18:51:24 GMT
Is there anyone that can add anything to the senior panel at the moment?
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Post by dubaigaa2022 on May 9, 2022 20:34:42 GMT
I don’t think the 3 scoring subs from the Cork game starting would have made any difference. They did very well when they came on against Cork but I don’t think they are better than what started. Kissane is suited to coming on in the second half of the game when backs are tired so his pace is more effective. O’Connor I think benefited from Cork leaving space at the back late on. Hassett had the biggest claim to start but that probably would have been in place of Goulding who turned out to be our best player on the day. Ruairi Canavan hasn’t been in that kind of scoring form from play in any previous game. Can probably be put down to him raising his game on the big day. It was a tough day for Nagle who has shown great promise in all previous appearances for Kerry at both minor and u20. It reminded me of the day Dylan Casey had at u20 level in 2019 marking Cathail O’Mahony who impressed for the Cork Seniors at the weekend. Like his fellow Stacks man did, I’m sure Nagle will learn a lot from marking such a high quality player and come back stronger. In terms of Senior prospects from the team, the main one I’d be looking at is Cillian Burke. He’s a little bit raw and needs developing but he has huge potential. After that I think the 2 corner backs could very well reach that standard with a few years development. That’s what I’d be looking at anyway. Most of our Senior team are young and will be there for years to come, so I don’t think we are going to see a huge volume of players from an underage team end up being Kerry Seniors. Can’t agree with you assessment on the team - Hassett is a seasoned player - playing with The Laune and unfortunately his experience would have been a key factor @ 11 - a totally unselfish player maker - an ideal 11 - O’Donnell didn’t do it in the colleges final and Ione could see he just wasn’t physical enough after 10 minutes ..ditto with Evan - in fact all the U19’s including Burke were poor - thought our LCB was cleaned and Joey Nagle - who is a decent player - got roasted Br the Man of the match - but saying that - he got v little help from his fellow defenders - remember we were playing with 7 defenders !! I agree that Burke is raw and will improve in time and agree that the Kerry senior squad do not need recruits presently BUT when they do there is quite a long que before these guys .. the U20/U17 has been a total failure in my opinion and I do hope they revert back to U18/21 - just like a lot of the rules changes - they have not improved the game .. so another year gone - and we look forward to a new management team and hopefully one that will play with a traditional Kerry way ..
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 9, 2022 20:41:46 GMT
I might be a lone voice here but the criticism of the team yesterday seems a bit harsh to me. I thought they were much improved from their Munster games. Tyrone had a star in their ranks one that will be a nailed on senior with his brothers. Kerry didn't have a real stand our player but they compensated with very good work rate. Kerry led for the majority of the game and the goal was fortuitous enough so for most of the game they did well. A sucker punch caught us sometimes that just happens like down in Cork in 2020. Who knows who might break through to the seniors but a few of those backs look like real propects. Rurai has long been flagged as 'gan dabht the best of the 3' and that performance had all the hallmarks of being a par more than an exception - a joy to watch, would be nicer if we weren't the victims, he was the difference really.
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Post by Premier on May 9, 2022 22:59:07 GMT
I don’t think the 3 scoring subs from the Cork game starting would have made any difference. They did very well when they came on against Cork but I don’t think they are better than what started. Kissane is suited to coming on in the second half of the game when backs are tired so his pace is more effective. O’Connor I think benefited from Cork leaving space at the back late on. Hassett had the biggest claim to start but that probably would have been in place of Goulding who turned out to be our best player on the day. Ruairi Canavan hasn’t been in that kind of scoring form from play in any previous game. Can probably be put down to him raising his game on the big day. It was a tough day for Nagle who has shown great promise in all previous appearances for Kerry at both minor and u20. It reminded me of the day Dylan Casey had at u20 level in 2019 marking Cathail O’Mahony who impressed for the Cork Seniors at the weekend. Like his fellow Stacks man did, I’m sure Nagle will learn a lot from marking such a high quality player and come back stronger. In terms of Senior prospects from the team, the main one I’d be looking at is Cillian Burke. He’s a little bit raw and needs developing but he has huge potential. After that I think the 2 corner backs could very well reach that standard with a few years development. That’s what I’d be looking at anyway. Most of our Senior team are young and will be there for years to come, so I don’t think we are going to see a huge volume of players from an underage team end up being Kerry Seniors. Not sure about Burke as the main one. I’d say he at least lost 7/8 balls in the tackle yesterday. Sean O’Brien if he stays injury free would be the one for me
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Post by veteran on May 10, 2022 9:19:40 GMT
I don’t think the 3 scoring subs from the Cork game starting would have made any difference. They did very well when they came on against Cork but I don’t think they are better than what started. Kissane is suited to coming on in the second half of the game when backs are tired so his pace is more effective. O’Connor I think benefited from Cork leaving space at the back late on. Hassett had the biggest claim to start but that probably would have been in place of Goulding who turned out to be our best player on the day. Ruairi Canavan hasn’t been in that kind of scoring form from play in any previous game. Can probably be put down to him raising his game on the big day. It was a tough day for Nagle who has shown great promise in all previous appearances for Kerry at both minor and u20. It reminded me of the day Dylan Casey had at u20 level in 2019 marking Cathail O’Mahony who impressed for the Cork Seniors at the weekend. Like his fellow Stacks man did, I’m sure Nagle will learn a lot from marking such a high quality player and come back stronger. In terms of Senior prospects from the team, the main one I’d be looking at is Cillian Burke. He’s a little bit raw and needs developing but he has huge potential. After that I think the 2 corner backs could very well reach that standard with a few years development. That’s what I’d be looking at anyway. Most of our Senior team are young and will be there for years to come, so I don’t think we are going to see a huge volume of players from an underage team end up being Kerry Seniors. Not sure about Burke as the main one. I’d say he at least lost 7/8 balls in the tackle yesterday. Sean O’Brien if he stays injury free would be the one for me Both I suggest.
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Post by greengold35 on May 10, 2022 17:43:46 GMT
Not a huge surprise that we lost today as we have not been consistently impressive, indeed poor at times, in our previous games. Far more disappointing than today’s defeat was our astonishing inability to win the title on the strength of five successive minor successes. We went from 1994 to 2014 without winning a minor title. That was equaling distressing but the County Board took a serious look at that hiatus and we know the success that flowed from that review and subsequent action. It is high time the current Board similarly looked at our lack of success at this level and act accordingly. In spite of the defeat today I can see a few seniors emerging from this team in due course. Minors play on Thursday night in Tralee against Cork . I expect to be there. I have no idea what to expect from the current crop. The turnover from minor to U20 is quite staggering given that both Kerry & Tyrone only had 4 survivors last Sunday from their minor encounter 3 years ago. We have had much success in bringing our minors through in the past few years but for me our 3 standout players in those 5 minor successes were : Mark O’Connor, David Clifford & Sean O’Shea - each played two years, contributing handsomely in the process. None of them played at the next level U20/21 due to the outrageous rule that playing senior rules one out of underage whilst Mark O’Connor went to Australia - add in Diarmuid O’Connor to that mix and it’s easy to see how the playing field was levelled.
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Post by dubaigaa2022 on May 10, 2022 19:34:34 GMT
Not a huge surprise that we lost today as we have not been consistently impressive, indeed poor at times, in our previous games. Far more disappointing than today’s defeat was our astonishing inability to win the title on the strength of five successive minor successes. We went from 1994 to 2014 without winning a minor title. That was equaling distressing but the County Board took a serious look at that hiatus and we know the success that flowed from that review and subsequent action. It is high time the current Board similarly looked at our lack of success at this level and act accordingly. In spite of the defeat today I can see a few seniors emerging from this team in due course. Minors play on Thursday night in Tralee against Cork . I expect to be there. I have no idea what to expect from the current crop. The turnover from minor to U20 is quite staggering given that both Kerry & Tyrone only had 4 survivors last Sunday from their minor encounter 3 years ago. We have had much success in bringing our minors through in the past few years but for me our 3 standout players in those 5 minor successes were : Mark O’Connor, David Clifford & Sean O’Shea - each played two years, contributing handsomely in the process. None of them played at the next level U20/21 due to the outrageous rule that playing senior rules one out of underage whilst Mark O’Connor went to Australia - add in Diarmuid O’Connor to that mix and it’s easy to see how the playing field was levelled. The frightening thing is that the real question is why is the turnover so great? Most of the guys on the age are playing with their clubs etc - so in the backs - Kieran Sullian, Adam Curran, O’Sullivan (legion) Jason Kerins, and there was another guy from Crokes - all these guys are playing with their clubs and playing well - O’Sullivan Legion is injured and Kieran O’Sullivan was black balled as he moved to Nemo . Add to this Neil O’Shea Crokes - there is definitely a better back 6 available, in MF - you had a choice of Cathal Ó Beaglaoich (An Ghaeltacht) / Ronan Collins (Gneeveguilla) / Joe Linihan (Churchill) - I know Jow is injured but last year was left on the extended panel while Cathal Ryan of Rathmore was on the bench as MF cover as he was this year also - and yet when MF collapsed he wasn’t brought in . Forwards - Hassett (The Laune) Colin Crowley (Templenoe), Darragh Lynch (Listowel Emmets), Jack O’Connor (Beaufort) Emmet O’Shea (Fossa), Ryan Grady - take your pick - a team from the guys on the last year would beat the team fielded by Declan in my estimation - so the reason is why we’re they ignored? Surely the management need a power game would be needed once we got to the knock out stages?? Why not go see these guys play with their club senior teams where you’re up against big strong men - Declan was looking at the Corn ui Mhuire - where it’s like comparing U17 rather than U20/Senior - I seen a lot of Collin in his club run - fab player - Jason Kerins for Crokes - saw him play for Crokes also - saw how good Hassett was when he came on against Cork and again on Sunday . So I am under no illusion - Management just got it wrong - I think if James Costello had this team - they would have a different feel to it - a more direct positive style and probably the best 15 on the field
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Post by himself on May 11, 2022 7:22:52 GMT
I think Ronan Collins of Gneeveguilla was out injured as well. Sean, David,and Diarmuid were not held by rule; that only came in a year later (when Croke Park also made the genius move of having the U20 competition run off during the Leaving Cert - given the preponderance of Transition Year nowadays) that should have been an obvious problem. The lads were held by Kerry senior management will the approval of the County Board - I felt it was an awful mistake at the time. Having David and Diarmuid held almost certainly cost us an Al Iteland - that's not to begrudge an outstanding Kildare or excuse a very poor performance by us on the night, but those two make a big difference on any team.
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Post by keane on May 11, 2022 8:12:23 GMT
Diarmuid O'Connor played against Kildare I'd swear? Sean O'Shea was the year before and was stopped from playing a final with Kenmare U20s by the management so he could be an unused sub against Galway - does that sound right?
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Post by mg72 on May 11, 2022 10:20:18 GMT
The turnover from minor to U20 is quite staggering given that both Kerry & Tyrone only had 4 survivors last Sunday from their minor encounter 3 years ago. We have had much success in bringing our minors through in the past few years but for me our 3 standout players in those 5 minor successes were : Mark O’Connor, David Clifford & Sean O’Shea - each played two years, contributing handsomely in the process. None of them played at the next level U20/21 due to the outrageous rule that playing senior rules one out of underage whilst Mark O’Connor went to Australia - add in Diarmuid O’Connor to that mix and it’s easy to see how the playing field was levelled. The frightening thing is that the real question is why is the turnover so great? Most of the guys on the age are playing with their clubs etc - so in the backs - Kieran Sullian, Adam Curran, O’Sullivan (legion) Jason Kerins, and there was another guy from Crokes - all these guys are playing with their clubs and playing well - O’Sullivan Legion is injured and Kieran O’Sullivan was black balled as he moved to Nemo . Add to this Neil O’Shea Crokes - there is definitely a better back 6 available, in MF - you had a choice of Cathal Ó Beaglaoich (An Ghaeltacht) / Ronan Collins (Gneeveguilla) / Joe Linihan (Churchill) - I know Jow is injured but last year was left on the extended panel while Cathal Ryan of Rathmore was on the bench as MF cover as he was this year also - and yet when MF collapsed he wasn’t brought in . Forwards - Hassett (The Laune) Colin Crowley (Templenoe), Darragh Lynch (Listowel Emmets), Jack O’Connor (Beaufort) Emmet O’Shea (Fossa), Ryan Grady - take your pick - a team from the guys on the last year would beat the team fielded by Declan in my estimation - so the reason is why we’re they ignored? Surely the management need a power game would be needed once we got to the knock out stages?? Why not go see these guys play with their club senior teams where you’re up against big strong men - Declan was looking at the Corn ui Mhuire - where it’s like comparing U17 rather than U20/Senior - I seen a lot of Collin in his club run - fab player - Jason Kerins for Crokes - saw him play for Crokes also - saw how good Hassett was when he came on against Cork and again on Sunday . So I am under no illusion - Management just got it wrong - I think if James Costello had this team - they would have a different feel to it - a more direct positive style and probably the best 15 on the field I'd agree with a lot of what you're saying, but I'd have to disagree with you when you say that "midfield collapsed". I felt that Ruari Murphy and Sean O'Brien were actually 2 of the better performers last Sunday.
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Post by westgaa on May 11, 2022 10:24:37 GMT
Would have to agree taught O Brien and Murphy were 2 of the better performers, plus these 2 have way more ability to travel than other midfield players mentioned, not sure what game some lads were watching
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dubaigaa2022
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Get rid of the forward mark!!!
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Post by dubaigaa2022 on May 14, 2022 12:29:04 GMT
The frightening thing is that the real question is why is the turnover so great? Most of the guys on the age are playing with their clubs etc - so in the backs - Kieran Sullian, Adam Curran, O’Sullivan (legion) Jason Kerins, and there was another guy from Crokes - all these guys are playing with their clubs and playing well - O’Sullivan Legion is injured and Kieran O’Sullivan was black balled as he moved to Nemo . Add to this Neil O’Shea Crokes - there is definitely a better back 6 available, in MF - you had a choice of Cathal Ó Beaglaoich (An Ghaeltacht) / Ronan Collins (Gneeveguilla) / Joe Linihan (Churchill) - I know Jow is injured but last year was left on the extended panel while Cathal Ryan of Rathmore was on the bench as MF cover as he was this year also - and yet when MF collapsed he wasn’t brought in . Forwards - Hassett (The Laune) Colin Crowley (Templenoe), Darragh Lynch (Listowel Emmets), Jack O’Connor (Beaufort) Emmet O’Shea (Fossa), Ryan Grady - take your pick - a team from the guys on the last year would beat the team fielded by Declan in my estimation - so the reason is why we’re they ignored? Surely the management need a power game would be needed once we got to the knock out stages?? Why not go see these guys play with their club senior teams where you’re up against big strong men - Declan was looking at the Corn ui Mhuire - where it’s like comparing U17 rather than U20/Senior - I seen a lot of Collin in his club run - fab player - Jason Kerins for Crokes - saw him play for Crokes also - saw how good Hassett was when he came on against Cork and again on Sunday . So I am under no illusion - Management just got it wrong - I think if James Costello had this team - they would have a different feel to it - a more direct positive style and probably the best 15 on the field I'd agree with a lot of what you're saying, but I'd have to disagree with you when you say that "midfield collapsed". I felt that Ruari Murphy and Sean O'Brien were actually 2 of the better performers last Sunday. I agree on R Murphy, played well but as a WF - won every little ball in MF, Sean won 2 great balls after the goal but overall a very poor campaign and a very poor game. MF is not his position - just too small asd a modern day MF'r - WB / WF and Ruairi has the best chance out of the group of stepping up into the seniors in the nest few years
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on May 14, 2022 14:55:57 GMT
I'd agree with a lot of what you're saying, but I'd have to disagree with you when you say that "midfield collapsed". I felt that Ruari Murphy and Sean O'Brien were actually 2 of the better performers last Sunday. I agree on R Murphy, played well but as a WF - won every little ball in MF, Sean won 2 great balls after the goal but overall a very poor campaign and a very poor game. MF is not his position - just too small asd a modern day MF'r - WB / WF and Ruairi has the best chance out of the group of stepping up into the seniors in the nest few years I think both players seemed to play well over the campaign but I would agree neither appeared to be comfortable midfield. Having seen Sean first year u20 and in minor years he is definitely more suited to half back line. He is an excellent fielder but doesn’t really control the game when playing midfield. R Murphy also seemed more of a wing forward to me. Both very promising players who I think will be on to challenge for the senior squad next year.
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Post by Mickmack on May 14, 2022 17:23:47 GMT
Tyrone winning pulling up now.
One wing back kicked 3 points. The only lad kicked at least one. 3 points from midfielders. Watching them taking ball into contact on the oppositions D, they never hop or go toe to hand. Instead its quick hands between red jerseys till the opening occurs.
Kerry would have beaten Kildare.
Kerry and Tyrone the two best teams in the competition.
Finally, Ruairi Canavan would probably be ticked off by coaches today over his shot selection at times... except most of them went over the bar. A unique talent coming up.
The Tyrone senior managers were looking on today. I wonder they call a few up. The u20s play the same system of play that Tyrone use. Its a question of whether they are physically developed enough for senior intercounty.
McGleenan is anyway.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on May 14, 2022 17:33:47 GMT
Bounce of a ball off the post away from an All Ireland this year at the end of the day.
Canavan, McGleenan, Devlin who kicked 3 points from wing back and McHugh the big midfielder who was minor last year will all play Senior for Tyrone in the future. As for this year, Canavan will definitely come into the panel (if Peter lets him as I think he’s still in school), might even start. He’s a special talent. McGleenan would be very effective from the bench as he doesn’t have the stamina to have the same level of impact throughout the whole game.
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Post by Mickmack on May 14, 2022 18:57:35 GMT
Bounce of a ball off the post away from an All Ireland this year at the end of the day. Another All Ireland lost by playing into the oppositions hands by taking the ball into contact an losing it.
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