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Post by thepromisedland on May 8, 2022 14:20:47 GMT
I thought it was an enjoyable game but Tyrone looked like winning from 15min from end. Far from being over coached as some suggest here I thought some players need more coaching especially Burke..seldom takes the correct option. Looney looked too weak for today's opposition. Only fast ball will beat massed defence at this level. Still I think a few more of ours will play senior than Tyrone's. You'd be alone or one of very few into thinking that players are not over coached / over programmed nowadays exiled. Like programmed automatons afraid, nor wanting to take on the shot at goal, not the case year's ago back to the days of yore. You are right though, fast direct ball. Whatever happened to long range shooting, this always beats mass defences, blanket defences. No wonder people are pissed off and getting turned off watching football, the poor attendances nowadays at games are a big contributing reflection of this, lateral passing game, two steps forward, 3 steps back, like boring Rugby League on steroids.
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Post by moore88 on May 8, 2022 14:21:37 GMT
Disappointing again, the talent is there but coming up short seems to be a trait the Kerry u20s have now adopted.
Is there any sort of a u20 county championship this year? I would imagine stacks, crokes , west Kerry, east Kerry and mid Kerry would all be evenly matched on basis of the numbers in the u20s. I know there was an u21 championship which hasnt been played due to Covid in the last couple of years
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Post by Tadhgeen on May 8, 2022 14:45:20 GMT
Tyrone lads looked much bigger and stronger than us. Did we not have anyone to switch on Canavan who was killing us every time he got on the ball? Or double mark him?
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Post by onlykerry on May 8, 2022 15:07:56 GMT
We had the winning of the game but seemed to lack that extra couple of % which manifested in being second to breaking balls too often and turning over good moves with a poor final pass. Defence was decent with the exception of being unable to deal with Canavan (who looks like he could be seen in the senior jersey once this competition ends). Missed what looked like an easy free in the first half and generally seemed to be lacking intensity.
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Post by Kingdomson on May 8, 2022 15:26:56 GMT
So Kerry get squeezed out in another tight street fight game yet again to Tyrone.
Tyrone have a fair record now of handing us plenty of defeats over many years at underage grades, let alone senior. This was a another thrilling game that was nip and tuck but if you were a betting man going into the last 15 minutes the money was only going to go on one team. When did we last beat a Tyrone team at under 21/20 level? I honestly cannot remember.
Kerry had the wonderful Dylan Geaney and Tyrone the wonderful Ruairi Canavan but Tyrone were the smarter team being more direct and way more efficient. Tyrone really ceased the initative in those last 15 minutes when the game was there for winning, they kicked the ball more and had way better judgement.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 8, 2022 15:35:45 GMT
Bitterly disappointed for the lads today.
Kerry just couldn't pull away from Tyrone at any stage.
Tyrone had a big midfield and number 14 was a huge lad too.
A little more composure at the end could have brought this to deserved extra time.
I also felt the ref gave us very little today.
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on May 8, 2022 16:03:33 GMT
The better team won in the end. Kerry didn’t really have a plan upfront bar individually trying to run through. Tyrone had a bit more at the other end. Still some good talent in the team who may well go into senior in the coming years.
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Post by joesteam on May 8, 2022 16:05:05 GMT
Great talent coming through at u17 level just can’t seem to bring that to the 20’s, is this Declan’s last yr?? As a manager he hasn’t been able to progress mayb he is a better coach/No 2 as is the case with a lot of former county players
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Post by taggert on May 8, 2022 16:24:00 GMT
No doubt better team won. We had far too many underperformers, some of whom were left on the pitch for far too long. Not unlike the previous game. Declan clearly felt we could repeat the same stunt today. Tyrone played to their strengths but we were ponderous upfront and the decision making at times was really poor, by all our forwards.
I'm sure we could have won if it was man on man, traditional style gaelic football. But like our seniors discovered last summer, those days are long gone at the business end of the season.....
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Post by hurlingman on May 8, 2022 16:24:39 GMT
What do people think is the issue with U20/21 over the years? As I've said before there has been some very very poor appointments at this level since 2010. Lads getting the job on the back of who they are. Again I'd question the CB with this. It goes back to when John Kennedy got the job, who apparently didn't even want the job in the first place, in 2010. Why was this left happen?
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Post by taggert on May 8, 2022 16:25:58 GMT
So Kerry get squeezed out in another tight street fight game yet again to Tyrone. Tyrone have a fair record now of handing us plenty of defeats over many years at underage grades, let alone senior. This was a another thrilling game that was nip and tuck but if you were a betting man going into the last 15 minutes the money was only going to go on one team. When did we last beat a Tyrone team at under 21/20 level? I honestly cannot remember. Kerry had the wonderful Dylan Geaney and Tyrone the wonderful Ruairi Canavan but Tyrone were the smarter team being more direct and way more efficient. Tyrone really ceased the initative in those last 15 minutes when the game was there for winning, they kicked the ball more and had way better judgement. Canavan looked in a different league to Geaney today, who mixed some good stuff with some really bad stuff.
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Post by Mickmack on May 8, 2022 16:38:52 GMT
No doubt better team won. We had far too many underperformers, some of whom were left on the pitch for far too long. Not unlike the previous game. Declan clearly felt we could repeat the same stunt today. Tyrone played to their strengths but we were ponderous upfront and the decision making at times was really poor, by all our forwards. I'm sure we could have won if it was man on man, traditional style gaelic football. But like our seniors discovered last summer, those days are long gone at the business end of the season..... When Kerry went 4 ahead, Tyrone got back into the match by simple points from Canavan and Cush after Kerry attacks broke down or lost possession easily. If Kerry players has just shot for points from distance at that stage it would have been better even if they went wide as Kerry were well capable of winning kickouts. I would have moved Goulding out around the 45 when Kerry were ahead and told to kick for scores. Playing the percentages etc.
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Post by cornerflag on May 8, 2022 16:45:29 GMT
There is a talented bunch here but think this really lost on sideline .. can’t fathom why some of super Subs didn’t start .. surely at half time management would see need to have sweeper to double tag Canavan. Hopefully this is end of DOS inter county management and let him back to club which is the only level he can deal with
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Post by greengold35 on May 8, 2022 16:46:15 GMT
No doubt better team won. We had far too many underperformers, some of whom were left on the pitch for far too long. Not unlike the previous game. Declan clearly felt we could repeat the same stunt today. Tyrone played to their strengths but we were ponderous upfront and the decision making at times was really poor, by all our forwards. I'm sure we could have won if it was man on man, traditional style gaelic football. But like our seniors discovered last summer, those days are long gone at the business end of the season..... Agree fully on under performers - we got a lot from Kissane, Hassett & O’Connor vs Cork - was surprised nine hit a starting position today & their introduction was way too late - our half forwards were outclassed but too little too late when making subs.
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Post by greengold35 on May 8, 2022 16:47:04 GMT
No doubt better team won. We had far too many underperformers, some of whom were left on the pitch for far too long. Not unlike the previous game. Declan clearly felt we could repeat the same stunt today. Tyrone played to their strengths but we were ponderous upfront and the decision making at times was really poor, by all our forwards. I'm sure we could have won if it was man on man, traditional style gaelic football. But like our seniors discovered last summer, those days are long gone at the business end of the season..... Agree fully on under performers - we got a lot from Kissane, Hassett & O’Connor vs Cork - was surprised none got a starting position today & their introduction was way too late - our half forwards were outclassed but too little too late when making subs.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on May 8, 2022 17:04:11 GMT
When Declan was appointed Tim Murphy also had the choice of a Tomás O’Sé, Seamus Moynihan and Donie Buckley ticket. Once that came out I thought that was a very very strong management group for an u20 group to leave go. I remember thinking that Declan should have been giving the minors with that group taking the 20s. With the benefit of hindsight, it looks like the wrong decision was made.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on May 8, 2022 17:05:46 GMT
So Kerry get squeezed out in another tight street fight game yet again to Tyrone. Tyrone have a fair record now of handing us plenty of defeats over many years at underage grades, let alone senior. This was a another thrilling game that was nip and tuck but if you were a betting man going into the last 15 minutes the money was only going to go on one team. When did we last beat a Tyrone team at under 21/20 level? I honestly cannot remember. Kerry had the wonderful Dylan Geaney and Tyrone the wonderful Ruairi Canavan but Tyrone were the smarter team being more direct and way more efficient. Tyrone really ceased the initative in those last 15 minutes when the game was there for winning, they kicked the ball more and had way better judgement. Canavan looked in a different league to Geaney today, who mixed some good stuff with some really bad stuff. Geaney had an outstanding year with the minors in 2018 as an u16 and looked a huge prospect. Unfortunately since then it’s been a fairly mixed bag for him.
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Post by southward on May 8, 2022 17:07:13 GMT
Even without seeing the other contenders, I was surprised that Kerry had been considered favourites at this stage. Saw them three times before today and they haven't impressed me at all. Strong at the back, certainly and decent at midfield but lacking any flair or penetration further forward. The style of play has been terrible to watch. All-in-all, it's looked like the poorest side we've had for years at this grade. Never saw them winning it out.
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Post by mike70 on May 8, 2022 17:12:02 GMT
Disappointing comes to mind, we just seemed to struggle against the more physical teams, it looked today that we were behind with S&C, not for all our players, but definitely some. Appreciate you need structures, especially defensively, but I would be more inclined to let players so young, to play with a level of abandonment, we seem to pigeon hole players, we are not the only county doing it, let the kids play. Have to agree with previous posters, subs were way to slow today and unfortunately that sits with the management, also as mentioned, they did not react quick enough to canavan influence on the game. Might be worth having Mike quirke manage the 20’s next year, as part of his senior role , brining talent thru for jack o connor.
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Post by joesteam on May 8, 2022 17:15:06 GMT
Tyrone got the upper hand because we let them, we didn’t have a plan for Canavan today nd that is down to the management team, he was there danger man nd he proved to be the difference Contrary to what people may think we (Kerry) cant expect to go out nd take on these teams thinking we are better than them man for man, it’s a team game nd time nd time again today we got turned over in the tackle, granted we tackled ferociously ourselves but it’s what we did with the ball after that is what left us down
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Post by hatchetman on May 8, 2022 17:36:52 GMT
Can all the Declan bashers give us their oven ready management team to take over and guide our u20s to the promised land.
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Post by Mickmack on May 8, 2022 17:42:05 GMT
Can all the Declan bashers give us their oven ready management team to take over and guide our u20s to the promised land. I havent seen any Declan bashers myself.When a team loses a tight game it is often down to a myriad of things including mistakes made by management.
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Post by Mickmack on May 8, 2022 17:47:09 GMT
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Post by crokes86 on May 8, 2022 17:56:04 GMT
We’re a shambles at this level. Nothing won since 2008 . Terrible record really . Very poor performance by management. Yet again Tyrone beat us . Happens at every level definitely our bogey team.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2022 18:18:40 GMT
The most maddening example of running into trouble and not taking a shot was around the 50 minute mark. Dineen was due to come back on at the next break in play so all Kerry had to do was kick it dead and they’d be back to the full complement. Instead there was a brainless run into trouble around the 21 metre line, the ball was turned over and Tyrone went straight up the field and kicked a score.
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Post by joesteam on May 8, 2022 18:22:02 GMT
Can all the Declan bashers give us their oven ready management team to take over and guide our u20s to the promised land. There is no one bashing Declan, the simple fact is he is the manager nd both he nd his management failed both this yr nd last that’s not bashing, that’s fact
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Post by onlykerry on May 8, 2022 19:01:04 GMT
We’re a shambles at this level. Nothing won since 2008 . Terrible record really . Very poor performance by management. Yet again Tyrone beat us . Happens at every level definitely our bogey team. I believe the lack of interest in this level is very evident at CB level in Kerry - the way the club scene is managed at this grade is evidence of this and it seems to seep through to the county set up also. The club competition it run off with disgusting haste and no consideration for players - there was a club and divisional competition but the former disappeared a few years ago. Games are played mid week and we had the final played without the county players a few years ago. I also have a recollection of JOC saying his main role in managing the U21's was player development with the hope a few lads would go on to play senior. Winning AI's at this grade does not appear to be a priority for the CB - other counties had the same attitude to the junior grade so perhaps the reality is you can only do so much. Is the grade on the way out - one U19 grade replacing minor and U20 with the current U17/Minor grade becoming a developmental competition.
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Post by veteran on May 8, 2022 19:02:58 GMT
Not a huge surprise that we lost today as we have not been consistently impressive, indeed poor at times, in our previous games.
Far more disappointing than today’s defeat was our astonishing inability to win the title on the strength of five successive minor successes. We went from 1994 to 2014 without winning a minor title. That was equaling distressing but the County Board took a serious look at that hiatus and we know the success that flowed from that review and subsequent action. It is high time the current Board similarly looked at our lack of success at this level and act accordingly.
In spite of the defeat today I can see a few seniors emerging from this team in due course.
Minors play on Thursday night in Tralee against Cork . I expect to be there. I have no idea what to expect from the current crop.
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Post by greengold35 on May 8, 2022 19:30:28 GMT
Not a huge surprise that we lost today as we have not been consistently impressive, indeed poor at times, in our previous games. Far more disappointing than today’s defeat was our astonishing inability to win the title on the strength of five successive minor successes. We went from 1994 to 2014 without winning a minor title. That was equaling distressing but the County Board took a serious look at that hiatus and we know the success that flowed from that review and subsequent action. It is high time the current Board similarly looked at our lack of success at this level and act accordingly. In spite of the defeat today I can see a few seniors emerging from this team in due course. Minors play on Thursday night in Tralee against Cork . I expect to be there. I have no idea what to expect from the current crop. The minors have a good panel but they have sustained a lot of injuries in past few weeks - Thurs will not see them at their strongest unfortunately.
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Post by john4 on May 8, 2022 19:56:58 GMT
We’re a shambles at this level. Nothing won since 2008 . Terrible record really . Very poor performance by management. Yet again Tyrone beat us . Happens at every level definitely our bogey team. It looks like a psychological thing to me. I see a lack of mental hardness, cuteness, whatever you want to call it. Football alone will get you over the line at underage up to minor but adult football is not all about football. We still imo haven't recognised this. The niavety of some of the decision making today was seriously regrettable. How to fix this, I don't know.
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