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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 17, 2022 21:41:32 GMT
Ya all about the backroom team We've badly transitioned from minors to 20s over the last 6 or 7 years so we really need to get act in gear ASAP. We have transitioned from minors to seniors pretty well though,
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 17, 2022 21:43:57 GMT
If Tomas wins an all Ireland, he will be a very strong contender for the senior job in due course.
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Post by homerj on Aug 17, 2022 21:48:37 GMT
Ya all about the backroom team We've badly transitioned from minors to 20s over the last 6 or 7 years so we really need to get act in gear ASAP. We have transitioned from minors to seniors pretty well though, Hmmmm, many would disagree. 8 year gap for many of these lads to win a senior. Great we won it this year but we simply had to.
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Post by giveandgo on Aug 17, 2022 21:50:20 GMT
Tomás o sé hasn't been involved in kerry football since he played his last season in 2013. Why all of a sudden is he the right man for the u20 job. He has zero experience with underage football in the county as he's been involved with Cork teams and offaly last year since he retired. Crazy decision if ratified another sé living off his playing reputation
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 17, 2022 21:59:25 GMT
We have transitioned from minors to seniors pretty well though, Hmmmm, many would disagree. 8 year gap for many of these lads to win a senior. Great we won it this year but we simply had to. The players have come through and for the past four years have been one of the top three teams in the country. When they have lost, it has been narrow. There is no comparison with our record at u20 level where we have not even reached a final
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 18, 2022 7:26:54 GMT
Tomás o sé hasn't been involved in kerry football since he played his last season in 2013. Why all of a sudden is he the right man for the u20 job. He has zero experience with underage football in the county as he's been involved with Cork teams and offaly last year since he retired. Crazy decision if ratified another sé living off his playing reputation Well he's more experienced than Darragh was when he got the job. I don't think he's been involved in management since.
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Post by homerj on Aug 18, 2022 9:40:56 GMT
Tomás o sé hasn't been involved in kerry football since he played his last season in 2013. Why all of a sudden is he the right man for the u20 job. He has zero experience with underage football in the county as he's been involved with Cork teams and offaly last year since he retired. Crazy decision if ratified another sé living off his playing reputation lack of credible alternatives youd have to say?? wouldnt have been a bad idea to give it to Quirke and see how he gets on.
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Post by glengael on Aug 18, 2022 10:10:00 GMT
Tomás o sé hasn't been involved in kerry football since he played his last season in 2013. Why all of a sudden is he the right man for the u20 job. He has zero experience with underage football in the county as he's been involved with Cork teams and offaly last year since he retired. Crazy decision if ratified another sé living off his playing reputation lack of credible alternatives youd have to say?? wouldnt have been a bad idea to give it to Quirke and see how he gets on. Absolutely, it would have been a good step to try Quirke, build up some element of a succession plan. The under 20 championship is in danger of possibly being overshadowed by University competitions I think, which of itself excludes those who don't go on to third level. I think Tomas O'Se was involved with some club in Cork, maybe Glanmire and with UCC a few years ago. Don't think he has shown what he would add for this job. Let him manage a few more teams for while yet and see what how he gets on. Paidi did that before he got Kerry u21 gig back in the day.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 18, 2022 11:25:08 GMT
I'm a little confused - thought the U20 grade was on the way out and that the old minor and u20/21 was being turned into a single U19 competition.
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 18, 2022 11:55:26 GMT
lack of credible alternatives youd have to say?? wouldnt have been a bad idea to give it to Quirke and see how he gets on. Absolutely, it would have been a good step to try Quirke, build up some element of a succession plan. The under 20 championship is in danger of possibly being overshadowed by University competitions I think, which of itself excludes those who don't go on to third level. I think Tomas O'Se was involved with some club in Cork, maybe Glanmire and with UCC a few years ago. Don't think he has shown what he would add for this job. Let him manage a few more teams for while yet and see what how he gets on. Paidi did that before he got Kerry u21 gig back in the day. I could be wrong but I don't think Paidi had much more experience when he became U21 manager. Think he had only managed West Kerry. As I've before it's on the CB from the past. Never had long term views and gave the job to people based on who they were rather than what they could do. At underage level a season or two is a long time.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 18, 2022 15:39:51 GMT
It would be good at some stage to get Donaghy back in the fold.
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Post by clarinman on Aug 18, 2022 19:16:47 GMT
I'm a little confused - thought the U20 grade was on the way out and that the old minor and u20/21 was being turned into a single U19 competition. That motion didn't get the required 60% at Congress. I believe they plan to look at it again at a special Congress in the autumn.
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Post by pillar on Aug 19, 2022 13:26:24 GMT
Has anyone considered a fella who managed Kerry to 3 Minor All Irelands in the very recent past(2016-2018)..would it be wrong to get him back on board
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 19, 2022 18:00:07 GMT
Has anyone considered a fella who managed Kerry to 3 Minor All Irelands in the very recent past(2016-2018)..would it be wrong to get him back on board Given how things ended last year he might not be in a rush to get back involved again.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 19, 2022 18:11:56 GMT
Absolutely, it would have been a good step to try Quirke, build up some element of a succession plan. The under 20 championship is in danger of possibly being overshadowed by University competitions I think, which of itself excludes those who don't go on to third level. I think Tomas O'Se was involved with some club in Cork, maybe Glanmire and with UCC a few years ago. Don't think he has shown what he would add for this job. Let him manage a few more teams for while yet and see what how he gets on. Paidi did that before he got Kerry u21 gig back in the day. I could be wrong but I don't think Paidi had much more experience when he became U21 manager. Think he had only managed West Kerry. As I've before it's on the CB from the past. Never had long term views and gave the job to people based on who they were rather than what they could do. At underage level a season or two is a long time. I think that would work both ways. His treatment of players while in there was questioned and questionable
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Post by exiled on Aug 19, 2022 18:48:24 GMT
Tomás o sé hasn't been involved in kerry football since he played his last season in 2013. Why all of a sudden is he the right man for the u20 job. He has zero experience with underage football in the county as he's been involved with Cork teams and offaly last year since he retired. Crazy decision if ratified another sé living off his playing reputation I find that some people here have what seems like an agenda against the OSheas. Kerry needed Paudi when he took over but even I his greatest fan had lost faith by end.. But his remarks regarding our supporters was true and even a compliment as I've often said. Seldom has a family given so much to Kerry. I never thought Dara was manager material so I'm not surprised at his lack of success but I think Tomas has it in him. I believe he should be given a chance.
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Post by pillar on Aug 19, 2022 22:33:31 GMT
Has anyone considered a fella who managed Kerry to 3 Minor All Irelands in the very recent past(2016-2018)..would it be wrong to get him back on board Given how things ended last year he might not be in a rush to get back involved again. Given how things went before they ended id argue that we don't have too many with the same CV when it comes to working with young players. This age group is proving to be a big job so I'm only saying I don't think he should be deleted from any future conversations.
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Post by piggott on Aug 19, 2022 22:59:47 GMT
I think managing a successful senior County Championship side especially a division is a more creditable indicator of a manager's worth than managing underage, or getting involved in developement squads. Dwyer cut his teeth with Waterville, Paidi with West Kerry, John Evans with L Rangers and Pat Shea with Crokes. Ominous that so many Div 1 counties still havent filled their Bainisteoirs bibs yet.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 19, 2022 23:33:55 GMT
I think managing a successful senior County Championship side especially a division is a more creditable indicator of a manager's worth than managing underage, or getting involved in developement squads. Dwyer cut his teeth with Waterville, Paidi with West Kerry, John Evans with L Rangers and Pat Shea with Crokes. Ominous that so many Div 1 counties still havent filled their Bainisteoirs bibs yet. I wouldn’t agree with that. I think if a manager is successful at u20 level i.e. gets the team playing to their potential and winning an All Ireland it’s a more creditable indicator than success at club level. The last 2 county championship winning managers are Jerry O’Sullivan and Wayne Quillinan, I don’t think either were in any discussions about who our next Senior manager should be when Peter Keane stepped down. I think a manager plays a bigger role in underage county success than club success where the players themselves are more in control of how successful they are.
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 20, 2022 10:22:48 GMT
Given how things ended last year he might not be in a rush to get back involved again. Given how things went before they ended id argue that we don't have too many with the same CV when it comes to working with young players. This age group is proving to be a big job so I'm only saying I don't think he should be deleted from any future conversations. He definitely should be in the mix I agree.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 23, 2022 18:00:11 GMT
New management team to be announced shortly with Tomás O’Sé as bainisteoir, Seamus Moynihan, Bryan Sheehan & Seán Walsh ( Moyvane) as selectors.
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Post by homerj on Aug 23, 2022 19:54:04 GMT
New management team to be announced shortly with Tomás O’Sé as bainisteoir, Seamus Moynihan, Bryan Sheehan & Seán Walsh ( Moyvane) as selectors. Stepping stone to senior for them all if this goes well
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 23, 2022 19:58:40 GMT
Who would be the main coach be in this ticket?
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Post by john4 on Aug 23, 2022 20:00:54 GMT
New management team to be announced shortly with Tomás O’Sé as bainisteoir, Seamus Moynihan, Bryan Sheehan & Seán Walsh ( Moyvane) as selectors. excuse my ignorance. Is Sean Walsh the same former County Board Chairman
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Post by buck02 on Aug 23, 2022 20:04:26 GMT
New management team to be announced shortly with Tomás O’Sé as bainisteoir, Seamus Moynihan, Bryan Sheehan & Seán Walsh ( Moyvane) as selectors. excuse my ignorance. Is Sean Walsh the same former County Board Chairman Yes that's him. North, South, East and West covered by O'Se.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 23, 2022 20:10:49 GMT
excuse my ignorance. Is Sean Walsh the same former County Board Chairman Yes that's him. North, South, East and West covered by O'Se. Indeed, all bases covered
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 24, 2022 22:57:52 GMT
Walsh is an interesting selection by Tomás, I wonder is he there primarily to help with logistics and take away some of that load from Tomás or would that be wide of the mark? Great to see Moynihan finally on a management team of a Kerry set up and I think Brian Sheehan is a very good choice too. Tomás, Moynihan and Sheehan will probably all coach/train the team rather than having one primary coach.
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Post by tpo on Aug 25, 2022 8:12:55 GMT
Have Brian or Seamus ever coached or managed previously ?
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 25, 2022 8:19:44 GMT
Have Brian or Seamus ever coached or managed previously ? Seamus has been involved with the East Kerry u21s for years and was also manager of Fossa. Brian hasn’t as he’s been playing club football up until this year.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 25, 2022 15:32:16 GMT
New management team to be announced shortly with Tomás O’Sé as bainisteoir, Seamus Moynihan, Bryan Sheehan & Seán Walsh ( Moyvane) as selectors. excuse my ignorance. Is Sean Walsh the same former County Board Chairman Yes. If geographic representation was a factor then with so few NK players there wasn't a lot of options. Sean would be good but he never played the modern game. We so so badly need to focus on a pipeline of management and across the various skillsets. While Kerymen manage more than our share of other teams, I am afraid it is either mid-ranging teams and/or laddos like Donaghy laying the foundations and which is good but we need more.
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