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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Feb 3, 2022 0:13:49 GMT
In what world was the Kerry full back line rinsed against Tyrone. It was arguably Kerry’s best line that day. Tom sullivan destroyed McCurry, Jason Foley beat Donnelly out to a load of balls and McKenna was brutal in the other corner for most of the game I said back line not full back line. Breen was cleaned out and withdrawn. White ran down blind alleys and got turned over repeatedly. The pint sized Murphy was tasked with stemming the flow of runners - and despite takung tge gsme to them, struggled physically. Begley went AWOL for 1st and 3rd goals. Foley struggled with McShane and the "destroyed" McCurry still got 2 points from play off Tom. I think that back line was/is not good enough. While I certainly agree certain defenders struggled your comment on Tom Sullivan is wide of the mark .. he was absolutely excellent and anytime you hold one of the opposition main inside forwards to 2 points is a very good days work … |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 3, 2022 1:02:29 GMT
I said back line not full back line. Breen was cleaned out and withdrawn. White ran down blind alleys and got turned over repeatedly. The pint sized Murphy was tasked with stemming the flow of runners - and despite takung tge gsme to them, struggled physically. Begley went AWOL for 1st and 3rd goals. Foley struggled with McShane and the "destroyed" McCurry still got 2 points from play off Tom. I think that back line was/is not good enough. While I certainly agree certain defenders struggled your comment on Tom Sullivan is wide of the mark .. he was absolutely excellent and anytime you hold one of the opposition main inside forwards to 2 points is a very good days work … The FB line is damage limitation, PO'6's claim to fame was holding marker scoreless. Nobody can handle McShane 100%, just like it as with The Bomber was impossible, PatS, John Egan, Gooch, Declan O'Sullivan, ..... etc. Who can handle Cathal better than Jason? The forwards will also be a step ahead in that they can have a tactic that has worked before you know what they were up to - e.g. McShane making a burst forward. Have we defensive tactics, have we FF line tactics to confuse opponents? Have them worry about us? Tadhgeen brought a few from Oz and a few goals Gooch nailed vs Dubs (after 237 secs) and Mayo may have been successful implementations. Bearded Tyrone destroyed our Twin Towers tactic, we having advertised it prior - jazus what was we thinking of? I may not be the expert but I found it easy enough to twig Cluxton's MO by studying him in Omagh in 2018, the day before we drew with Monaghan in Clones. I was a mere 10' from Stephen and yip, took me the 1st half to tune in - the point is, if I can do it with Clux then anyone on a backroom team can master anyone, the summit of my managerial career was captaining an inter-firm team of mostly English soccer men playing against, well 11 other equally useless articles. |
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Post by taggert on Feb 3, 2022 7:15:58 GMT
I said back line not full back line. Breen was cleaned out and withdrawn. White ran down blind alleys and got turned over repeatedly. The pint sized Murphy was tasked with stemming the flow of runners - and despite takung tge gsme to them, struggled physically. Begley went AWOL for 1st and 3rd goals. Foley struggled with McShane and the "destroyed" McCurry still got 2 points from play off Tom. I think that back line was/is not good enough. While I certainly agree certain defenders struggled your comment on Tom Sullivan is wide of the mark .. he was absolutely excellent and anytime you hold one of the opposition main inside forwards to 2 points is a very good days work … My comment on Tom Sullivan? Tom is a brilliant plsyer. All I said was in response to someone who said he destroyed McCurry that the latter still got 2 points from play. Again, they are all good footballers. My point is that as a unit, that sextet was/is not good enough to hold a powerful unit like Tyrone, Dublin or Donegal in Croke park. They are too lightweight, include a wing back in the corner, and are far too small in the hslf back line. It's my opinion that this backline would be rinsed in Croker agsinst those teams come chsmpionship. |
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Post by pillar on Feb 3, 2022 10:02:51 GMT
Can't see Clifford playing Saturday night..he's already played Sunday and Wednesday this week, and a Sigerson Cup semi final on Monday coming.same for Dara Moynihan.no way he'll do 4 games in 8 days,to a lesser extent Tony Brosnan and Greg Horan have same scenario Well I'd like to think player welfare would come into consideration however I'd be amazed if he didn't start against Dublin. It's Dublin at home and on the back of a poor game on Sunday. I'd look no further than Mayo and Tommy Conroy..season over in February, a Kerry team without Sigerson players can easily be picked. |
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Post by thehermit on Feb 3, 2022 10:06:53 GMT
Now look I'm no football intellectual, my eye and brain don't have the ability to read or understand a game in the way so many of the posters on here do.
But what I just don't understand is why Kerry are often not playing based on the cards in their hands and not on what might be in the deck.
By which I mean, if many of the players we have are small, snippy and physically less imposing why has our gameplan not evolved in the last 2-3 years to reflect that?
If you look at rugby, teams like Japan play a very distinctive brand to compensate for the fact their players would not be as physically large as their NZ/South African opponents.
So surely there are enough football brains around Kerry to adapt a style of play that compensates for the fact our half backs or half forwards might not be as physically impressive as our rivals?
I mean has the inter-county game got to a stage where you only need 15 lads that are 6 3" and built like tanks to steamroll all before you?
If it has then should we not be earmarking such potential physics at underage level and bringing them through on mass?
If it hasn't, then shouldn't we have a style of play developed to play to our strengths and negate our physical weaknesses?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 3, 2022 11:10:11 GMT
Well I'd like to think player welfare would come into consideration however I'd be amazed if he didn't start against Dublin. It's Dublin at home and on the back of a poor game on Sunday. I'd look no further than Mayo and Tommy Conroy..season over in February, a Kerry team without Sigerson players can easily be picked. Well I was the most vocal on here about the need to drag brosnan and Savage up to tipp after playing for their college the same day. If their prepared to do that for a McGrath cup game I'd imagine they'll have no issue for a leagu game with Dublin. The simple solution is no sigerson players should play county football until the competition is finished or alternatively play Sigerson in Jan and start league Feb. |
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Post by dc84 on Feb 3, 2022 11:42:33 GMT
Sigerson semis are on next Thursday should be enough time imagine Jack will have full hand thank god.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 3, 2022 11:59:22 GMT
Sigerson semis are on next Thursday should be enough time imagine Jack will have full hand thank god. Sensible decision thank god. Roll on Sat. |
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Post by allrounder on Feb 11, 2022 9:29:49 GMT
If an old man like me can be in plenty of time for a match far away from home why can't younger folk, very likely living much closer to Newbridge , be in time. Once more we had we had to endure an announcement that the match was being delayed by fifteen minutes to accommodate laggards. Something similar happened at the McGrath cup final. I resent this greatly. The game was delayed as the stewards were ill prepared for the small crowd that Newbridge can hold. The number of turnstiles that were unused/shut outnumbered the ones open. Had they opened more turnstiles this game would have started on time. Many fans, myself included, waited well over 40 minutes in the queue before the finally opened the big gate at around 1.50 and we could move in. The fans outside weren't even told the game was delayed and if it wasn't for Twitter there could have been pushing or worse outside. Blaming the fans turning up with sufficient time is extremely lazy analysis. The issues were with Kildare stewards and Kildare fans outside were embarrassed with how poorly it was organised. I for one hope Kerry GAA send a complaint to Kildare to sort out its prep so this won't happen in their other home matches. I wouldn't wish that incompetence on anyone. I've always supported the Kingdom. I've been a season ticket holder for years and years. When Jack is confirmed not only am I not going to be a season ticket holder, I'm not going to watch the green and gold in person. Fair play to you, you stuck to your word until Round 1 of the National league 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Feb 11, 2022 10:56:57 GMT
The game was delayed as the stewards were ill prepared for the small crowd that Newbridge can hold. The number of turnstiles that were unused/shut outnumbered the ones open. Had they opened more turnstiles this game would have started on time. Many fans, myself included, waited well over 40 minutes in the queue before the finally opened the big gate at around 1.50 and we could move in. The fans outside weren't even told the game was delayed and if it wasn't for Twitter there could have been pushing or worse outside. Blaming the fans turning up with sufficient time is extremely lazy analysis. The issues were with Kildare stewards and Kildare fans outside were embarrassed with how poorly it was organised. I for one hope Kerry GAA send a complaint to Kildare to sort out its prep so this won't happen in their other home matches. I wouldn't wish that incompetence on anyone. I've always supported the Kingdom. I've been a season ticket holder for years and years. When Jack is confirmed not only am I not going to be a season ticket holder, I'm not going to watch the green and gold in person. Fair play to you, you stuck to your word until Round 1 of the National league 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 My allegiance is to the Green & Gold and weeks later I calmed down. I still think it's the wrong decision getting Jack and denying Tally was on the ticket until after ratification proves that. Would Jack have gotten ratified if the Kerry clubs knew Tally was part of the ticket? At least we got the correct Chairman out of the mess. Watching that turgid muck in Newbridge made me regret my decision to go. 40 minutes plus waiting outside to see the players try to close a game with 20 minutes left v Kildare. The players didn't think of that on their own, see 2011 final, whatever Jack says. Jack's football is still stone age and Jack didn't even accept responsibility that keep ball was the wrong tactic and put that on the players. Dublin were fragile last year in the Leinster Final and Jack made Kildare play damage limitation football than go for the throat. Even Wexford attacked Dublin and showed Dublin were not the same invincibles. I want Kerry to win but I wonder will Jack walk if no All Ireland this year? He doesn't deserve a second stab if he fails. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 11, 2022 11:46:35 GMT
Fair play to you, you stuck to your word until Round 1 of the National league 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 My allegiance is to the Green & Gold and weeks later I calmed down. I still think it's the wrong decision getting Jack and denying Tally was on the ticket until after ratification proves that. Would Jack have gotten ratified if the Kerry clubs knew Tally was part of the ticket? At least we got the correct Chairman out of the mess. Watching that turgid muck in Newbridge made me regret my decision to go. 40 minutes plus waiting outside to see the players try to close a game with 20 minutes left v Kildare. The players didn't think of that on their own, see 2011 final, whatever Jack says. Jack's football is still stone age and Jack didn't even accept responsibility that keep ball was the wrong tactic and put that on the players. Dublin were fragile last year in the Leinster Final and Jack made Kildare play damage limitation football than go for the throat. Even Wexford attacked Dublin and showed Dublin were not the same invincibles. I want Kerry to win but I wonder will Jack walk if no All Ireland this year? He doesn't deserve a second stab if he fails. The problem Savage is that Jack was probably the best option, maybe the least weak option. The Stack option was my favourite but could it have done with bods that had been there? Why aren't ex players forming an orderly queue here? Management is increasingly the key difference, leadership is the deciding factor - just look at the Dubs. Dooher and Logan will only be getting better and if I'd sense there is a surge in enthusiasm among the possibles - the promise of an All Ireland medal is there after last year, if they can turn around the team like that in a few short months then possibles become probables. I am not a man of little faith but we can't lie to ourselves either and Jack blaming the lads for Newbridge is just as PK did. Ballythefireside Quote of the day - Managers blame but leaders prevail |
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