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Post by taggert on Jan 31, 2022 10:50:10 GMT
My first time ever in Newbridge yesterday and have to say it is an absolute dump. I can see why the GAA wanted to move the Mayo super 8's game out of there. The farcical situation at the turnstiles was beyond belief with everyone corralled and hemmed in to the one area. Then they decided to fling the main gate open as they knew they wouldn't have all the people processed through the turnstiles even with the delay. I had my two children with me and was lucky to have a relative on hand to help when we were pushed though the gate and turned left. We ended up behind the far goal. There was absolutely no elevation on the terrace so even though we were near the back it was hard to look over those in front. Added to that the wire surrounding the pitch was populated with Adults (Normally kids) and given the poor terrace design made it a very hard watch. Enough of my rant and onto the game. I am in two minds. I want to believe that it was just the first game of the league and that we will improve. Getting to know systems etc. But, in reality a lot of the failings of the last few years were in evidence. I agree with those that say our forward line is vastly over rated. Only Clifford is a consistent scoring threat. I still fail to see what Burns brings to the party. He offers no threat or physicality at all and the same could be said about Moynihan. Didn't watch the Sunday Game or whatever the league version is called but, would agree with those that have referenced Pat Spillane in saying we lack size. In the middle 8 yesterday our tallest player was Sean O'Shea at 6'2. Adrian Spillane is 6'1. Morley & White are 6'. The rest are all well under 6 foot. Not only are we well short of options when forced to go long we lack any sort of force / physicality there. I think Jack Barry and DOC will have to come straight into the team. Our defence did well on the whole. Dan O'Donoghue acquitted himself well. Still worry about Jason Foley. Yesterday had a great view from behind the goals. He insisted on playing his man from behind even though he couldn't get round him when they ran from the ball so his pace was nullified. Maybe he improved in the second half. It was hard to see at the other end. Our forward movement and handling were poor overall. Though Tony kicked a nice point after he game on and Jack Savage at least tried to make things happen. If Gavin misses the next game I would look at the possibility of moving Tom to the wing and bringing in GOS or Casey to the corner. Ideally Casey but, might be best to leave him find his feet before he is tasked with marking Rock or Costello. Barry and DOC to midfield with SOS going to centre forward and Spillane onto one wing with Paudie Clifford on the other. I would start Tony B, Clifford and Spillane in the full forward line. Would also look to get paul O'Shea involved if possible duting the game. On the money here. Foley was all over the shop in the first half but recovered somewhat in the second as we dropped deeper. If you mean Savage on the wing instead of Spillane (Spillane inside), then its pretty much the team I said I'd like to see Sat nite on this thread. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 31, 2022 10:53:21 GMT
My first time ever in Newbridge yesterday and have to say it is an absolute dump. I can see why the GAA wanted to move the Mayo super 8's game out of there. The farcical situation at the turnstiles was beyond belief with everyone corralled and hemmed in to the one area. Then they decided to fling the main gate open as they knew they wouldn't have all the people processed through the turnstiles even with the delay. I had my two children with me and was lucky to have a relative on hand to help when we were pushed though the gate and turned left. We ended up behind the far goal. There was absolutely no elevation on the terrace so even though we were near the back it was hard to look over those in front. Added to that the wire surrounding the pitch was populated with Adults (Normally kids) and given the poor terrace design made it a very hard watch. Enough of my rant and onto the game. I am in two minds. I want to believe that it was just the first game of the league and that we will improve. Getting to know systems etc. But, in reality a lot of the failings of the last few years were in evidence. I agree with those that say our forward line is vastly over rated. Only Clifford is a consistent scoring threat. I still fail to see what Burns brings to the party. He offers no threat or physicality at all and the same could be said about Moynihan. Didn't watch the Sunday Game or whatever the league version is called but, would agree with those that have referenced Pat Spillane in saying we lack size. In the middle 8 yesterday our tallest player was Sean O'Shea at 6'2. Adrian Spillane is 6'1. Morley & White are 6'. The rest are all well under 6 foot. Not only are we well short of options when forced to go long we lack any sort of force / physicality there. I think Jack Barry and DOC will have to come straight into the team. Our defence did well on the whole. Dan O'Donoghue acquitted himself well. Still worry about Jason Foley. Yesterday had a great view from behind the goals. He insisted on playing his man from behind even though he couldn't get round him when they ran from the ball so his pace was nullified. Maybe he improved in the second half. It was hard to see at the other end. Our forward movement and handling were poor overall. Though Tony kicked a nice point after he game on and Jack Savage at least tried to make things happen. If Gavin misses the next game I would look at the possibility of moving Tom to the wing and bringing in GOS or Casey to the corner. Ideally Casey but, might be best to leave him find his feet before he is tasked with marking Rock or Costello. Barry and DOC to midfield with SOS going to centre forward and Spillane onto one wing with Paudie Clifford on the other. I would start Tony B, Clifford and Spillane in the full forward line. Would also look to get paul O'Shea involved if possible duting the game. Agree re the ground it was a dump. Agree regarding your match assessment with the exception of Killian starting next Sat. I thought he was the worst player out there yesterday and I'm reluctant to name check lads who play bad. |
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jan 31, 2022 10:56:18 GMT
If an old man like me can be in plenty of time for a match far away from home why can't younger folk, very likely living much closer to Newbridge , be in time. Once more we had we had to endure an announcement that the match was being delayed by fifteen minutes to accommodate laggards. Something similar happened at the McGrath cup final. I resent this greatly. The game was delayed as the stewards were ill prepared for the small crowd that Newbridge can hold. The number of turnstiles that were unused/shut outnumbered the ones open. Had they opened more turnstiles this game would have started on time. Many fans, myself included, waited well over 40 minutes in the queue before the finally opened the big gate at around 1.50 and we could move in. The fans outside weren't even told the game was delayed and if it wasn't for Twitter there could have been pushing or worse outside. Blaming the fans turning up with sufficient time is extremely lazy analysis. The issues were with Kildare stewards and Kildare fans outside were embarrassed with how poorly it was organised. I for one hope Kerry GAA send a complaint to Kildare to sort out its prep so this won't happen in their other home matches. I wouldn't wish that incompetence on anyone. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 31, 2022 10:59:35 GMT
If an old man like me can be in plenty of time for a match far away from home why can't younger folk, very likely living much closer to Newbridge , be in time. Once more we had we had to endure an announcement that the match was being delayed by fifteen minutes to accommodate laggards. Something similar happened at the McGrath cup final. I resent this greatly. The game was delayed as the stewards were ill prepared for the small crowd that Newbridge can hold. The number of turnstiles that were unused/shut outnumbered the ones open. Had they opened more turnstiles this game would have started on time. Many fans, myself included, waited well over 40 minutes in the queue before the finally opened the big gate at around 1.50 and we could move in. The fans outside weren't even told the game was delayed and if it wasn't for Twitter there could have been pushing or worse outside. Blaming the fans turning up with sufficient time is extremely lazy analysis. The issues were with Kildare stewards and Kildare fans outside were embarrassed with how poorly it was organised. I for one hope Kerry GAA send a complaint to Kildare to sort out its prep so this won't happen in their other home matches. I wouldn't wish that incompetence on anyone. There's a reason their not allowed hold championship games there. It's completely outdated, unsafe and not fit for purpose. |
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Post by southward on Jan 31, 2022 11:10:15 GMT
Was thinking the same last night. Nobody took the bait, good to see 👍 I know a brother-in-law of Glenn Ryans barber and he said not to believe a word from Glenn Ryans nieces husbands old drinking buddy..... Hmmm - is Glen's barber reliable though? State of that beard, like. |
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Post by Joxer on Jan 31, 2022 11:10:49 GMT
If an old man like me can be in plenty of time for a match far away from home why can't younger folk, very likely living much closer to Newbridge , be in time. Once more we had we had to endure an announcement that the match was being delayed by fifteen minutes to accommodate laggards. Something similar happened at the McGrath cup final. I resent this greatly. Reading the consternation expressed on Saturday here regarding the new jersey I was expecting something resembling a polka dot petticoat. I was pleasantly surprised by what I saw and, importantly, the numbers were clearly visible. Kildare started furiously buoyed by a rabid following. We gradually weathered the storm and when Killian scored the goal I felt we would comfortably have their measure. Our backs were tight and our midfield were shading it with Adrian in particular working industriously. David kicked over two glorious points. He audaciously went for a goal from a sharpish angle and it skittered very close to the far post. It was close and had it gone in we had them nailed. During that half he picked up a mystery yellow card and of course he was fair game for provocation for the remainder of the game. We led by four at the break. Reasonably optimistic at that stage. Kildare were bouncing in that second half and in the face of that we became tentative, reverting to keep ball with cross field passing in the half back line and midfield. In the meantime our inside lads were making their runs while our outfield players were unaware or indifferent to those efforts. When they did decide to release it our full forward were now in clamps. A painfully and distressingly recurring theme. Another factor in that second half was that the Kildare midfield were now on top. A double whammy for Killian, David and Paul. Sean O'Shea was anonymous in this half and Adrian flagged as the half progressed. I must say this about Adrian. I have often been critical of him , mainly because sometimes gets involved in off the ball silliness, but he put an honest shift yesterday. Worked tirelessly with attitude. He was one of the few of our lads who was prepared to put the head down and run straight. Turned over a few times but turned a few over as well. He wasn't flawless but he was game and brave. As Kildare whittled away at our lead I had one wish. I will go back to a dismally wet Saturday evening in Longford in 2009 to illustrate my point. As the second half in that game progressed the locals horsed into us and had us rattled. In those circumstances the local following act as the sixteenth player, just like yesterday, and the referee is not immune to that raucousness, just like yesterday. In any case, in that game we were beginning to buckle , just like yesterday, and were unable to get our hands on the ball at midfield, just like yesterday. Was KD sent off that stage? Not sure. Then the unfashionable Micheal Quirke was introduced. Cometh the hour , cometh the fielder. Michael brought down three or four form the clouds and thereby silenced the home following. My one wish yesterday as the game was slipping away from us , when our backs were to the wall was not for any high falutin plays. Oh no, as Kildare pressed up on our kicks out and forced us to go long, it was for somebody at midfield who could propel himself off the ground, stretch his hands over his head and grasp that ball on a couple of occasions. That would simultaneously lift the siege, silence the baying mob and put manners on the referee. It didn't happen. Therein lies a sad tale. The period of the game about which I speak we had Greg Horan languishing at wing forward. Could he not have been shifted into that troublesome spot for a while. No guarantee it would work but when your back is to the wall try something. Eanna O'Conchuir was in the subs. I have seen this man fetch gloriously at underage and for this club. His introduction may not not have worked but when your back is to the wall try something. We were outplayed there in that crucial period, hence the concession of our lead. I notice some people here continue to be critical of PG , saying he is yesterday's man. Once in the first half and once in the second half he delivered a majestic ball to an isolated ? Dara Moynihan and had they been collected, as they should, would vey likely have resulted in goals. He also kicked an invaluable point in the second half when scores were like goal dust. Tony Brosnan kicked a great one in very difficult circumstances. I notice that not even the great David has not escaped criticism. Oh, he takes on impossible shots, too many snap shots etc. He took on two impossible ones yesterday and converted. He was converted a lot of impossible ones! I mention Paul, David, Tony and indeed Killian by way of revealing something that I have lived with for a long time. It is a dark secret which has become too burdensome to bear. How shall I put it. Alright the time is now. I have an incurable weakness for forwards who dare to kick the ball as opposed to pass the parcel merchants. I feel better having got that off my chest. I regard it as a basic skill just as I regard the ability to catch the ball over the head as a basic skill. I concede, that to " deep thinkers" these skills ae mere trivia , not esoteric enough. It is about systems and processes now boy. I get that of course. I was delighted for Jason that he played so well yesterday. He met a good man but was more than his match. Gavin was a big loss. Took two heavy challenges from the same player for his troubles only one of which was punished. There was time in his career when referees felt it was legitimate to use Paul Galvin as a punch bag. I hope referees do not adopt the same attitude to towards Gavin. Either way, he now joins our ever growing casualty list. Dara Moynihan has lost the cockiness, brio and busyness of his pre injury incarnation. Let us hope he can be rejuvenated. Dan O'Donoghue continues to impress. Brian O'Beaghlaigh played well when he came on for Gavin. Get Sean O'Shea back on the forty for his own well being and ours. Did we get any scorable free in the second half? I 100% agree Veteran. Great to read. I didn't stop to check if those now criticising Adrian, David etc are the same contributors as those who were wondering a week or two ago about what Gavin White brings to the team. What his end -product is was the question I believe if I remember correctly. Jesus wept. We certainly looked like a tired team in the second half and maybe we did have a heavy week of training which is not unusual and given the compressed nature of this season, perhaps even expected. If I was picking the team for next week, I'd be inclined to give Dylan Casey his chance at left corner back and move Tom out to take Gavin Whites position (assuming Gavin is going to be out for a few weeks now). Jack Barry in with Adrian at midfield and a half forward line of Paudie Clifford, Sean O'Shea and Diarmuid O'Connor. Leave the other positions the same with maybe the option of Shane Ryan in goal. |
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Post by kot on Jan 31, 2022 11:27:46 GMT
If an old man like me can be in plenty of time for a match far away from home why can't younger folk, very likely living much closer to Newbridge , be in time. Once more we had we had to endure an announcement that the match was being delayed by fifteen minutes to accommodate laggards. Something similar happened at the McGrath cup final. I resent this greatly. The game was delayed as the stewards were ill prepared for the small crowd that Newbridge can hold. The number of turnstiles that were unused/shut outnumbered the ones open. Had they opened more turnstiles this game would have started on time. Many fans, myself included, waited well over 40 minutes in the queue before the finally opened the big gate at around 1.50 and we could move in. The fans outside weren't even told the game was delayed and if it wasn't for Twitter there could have been pushing or worse outside. Blaming the fans turning up with sufficient time is extremely lazy analysis. The issues were with Kildare stewards and Kildare fans outside were embarrassed with how poorly it was organised. I for one hope Kerry GAA send a complaint to Kildare to sort out its prep so this won't happen in their other home matches. I wouldn't wish that incompetence on anyone. Turning up early narrative is indeed very lazy and quite ridiculous. Turn up early in a game on in January, with 3/4 of the ground exposed to the elements..... in a day with driving, freezing wind and subsequently rain. No bothers lads, i'll stand there for 3 hours with my small children getting perished & soaked to account for the awful facilities and planning in place. |
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Post by thehermit on Jan 31, 2022 11:48:10 GMT
Yes in fairness it just wasn't good enough what happened. Arriving 15-20mins before a game starts should be more than enough time. The fact there was only 4-5 turnstiles operating was crazy and potentially very dangerous.
As I alluded to in my comments last night people were then ushered towards the far side goal despite their being plenty of room at the far end of the stand. Even at half time with the weather turning for the worst they refused to open the gates to access the stand when a couple of supporters with kids asked could they get some shelter.
Also agree about the extremely poor visibility, terrace at the back not nearly elevated enough and with those ugly iron bars around the perimeter of the ground it made it very hard to watch the game.
Hopefully it will be our last trip up there for a while.
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 31, 2022 12:15:19 GMT
My first time ever in Newbridge yesterday and have to say it is an absolute dump. I can see why the GAA wanted to move the Mayo super 8's game out of there. The farcical situation at the turnstiles was beyond belief with everyone corralled and hemmed in to the one area. Then they decided to fling the main gate open as they knew they wouldn't have all the people processed through the turnstiles even with the delay. I had my two children with me and was lucky to have a relative on hand to help when we were pushed though the gate and turned left. We ended up behind the far goal. There was absolutely no elevation on the terrace so even though we were near the back it was hard to look over those in front. Added to that the wire surrounding the pitch was populated with Adults (Normally kids) and given the poor terrace design made it a very hard watch. Enough of my rant and onto the game. I am in two minds. I want to believe that it was just the first game of the league and that we will improve. Getting to know systems etc. But, in reality a lot of the failings of the last few years were in evidence. I agree with those that say our forward line is vastly over rated. Only Clifford is a consistent scoring threat. I still fail to see what Burns brings to the party. He offers no threat or physicality at all and the same could be said about Moynihan. Didn't watch the Sunday Game or whatever the league version is called but, would agree with those that have referenced Pat Spillane in saying we lack size. In the middle 8 yesterday our tallest player was Sean O'Shea at 6'2. Adrian Spillane is 6'1. Morley & White are 6'. The rest are all well under 6 foot. Not only are we well short of options when forced to go long we lack any sort of force / physicality there. I think Jack Barry and DOC will have to come straight into the team. Our defence did well on the whole. Dan O'Donoghue acquitted himself well. Still worry about Jason Foley. Yesterday had a great view from behind the goals. He insisted on playing his man from behind even though he couldn't get round him when they ran from the ball so his pace was nullified. Maybe he improved in the second half. It was hard to see at the other end. Our forward movement and handling were poor overall. Though Tony kicked a nice point after he game on and Jack Savage at least tried to make things happen. If Gavin misses the next game I would look at the possibility of moving Tom to the wing and bringing in GOS or Casey to the corner. Ideally Casey but, might be best to leave him find his feet before he is tasked with marking Rock or Costello. Barry and DOC to midfield with SOS going to centre forward and Spillane onto one wing with Paudie Clifford on the other. I would start Tony B, Clifford and Spillane in the full forward line. Would also look to get paul O'Shea involved if possible duting the game. I would think Briain O’Beaglaoich is ahead of both Casey & Graham O’Sullivan - slotted in well @ 7 yesterday. |
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Post by Control5 on Jan 31, 2022 12:16:01 GMT
I know a brother-in-law of Glenn Ryans barber and he said not to believe a word from Glenn Ryans nieces husbands old drinking buddy..... Hmmm - is Glen's barber reliable though? State of that beard, like. I have deleted his posts now. He will be banned if he keeps it up. |
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 31, 2022 12:19:13 GMT
I was chatting to one of the newer members of the squad during the week - he was struggling with the S & C gym sessions - has never experienced anything as strenuous; regarding Paddy Tally, little has been seen of him to date.
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Post by dc84 on Jan 31, 2022 12:22:31 GMT
I was chatting to one of the newer members of the squad during the week - he was struggling with the S & C gym sessions - has never experienced anything as strenuous; regarding Paddy Tally, little has been seen of him to date. The gym part I would well believe from being at the match we wilted noticeably after half time wind didnt help either. I'd be happy with that don't want a repeat of lads getting cramp like last year when it actually matters |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 31, 2022 12:37:39 GMT
The incidence of injuries might suggest we had plenty of work done and PatS was saying that would account for opening day surprises so that doesn't apply to our display. If we did too much gym work then we clearly misjudged what it would take and it isn't right to be fielding a team that is not recovered. Managing Kerry is no place for learning these things, we should be leading the way here as in the days of old, e.g. Dwyer hand-pass, etc.
Kildare took the game by the scruff and we didn't.
And we can forget all this nonsense re Tyrone last year - I am one of those that realise they may have roped others into a false sense of security, and it worked. Those boys are sharper than us - look at how both Tyrone and Monaghan have emulated Cluxton, even eclipsed him with some notable outfield play, and here are we struggling to get a solid bog-standard keeper all these years - are we pretending that they don't exist or are we not nurturing them?
Running the slide rule over Tyrone and their management succession, etc - do we need to look at the type of player we are incarnating as jackiel so nicely put it?
Also contrasting accounts of Jason and Adrian from reliable commentators on here - maybe we need to look a bit deeper, e.g. How much did Jason's man score/assist?
I'd also don't think that a shortage of 6'+ players is a factor, it's strength and maybe we tried too hard there.
Ah early days but surely not an ideal start, restart, for a management team.
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Post by dc84 on Jan 31, 2022 12:53:22 GMT
On the more positive signs thought Morley did well at 6. Kildare ran at us a lot but the huge gaps through the middle didnt really appear and kildare didnt really get a sniff of a goal.
He covered well I thought in the first half (was hard to tell from where I was ) 13 points in a game where we lost midfield for half of it isn't too bad. Good to see him and beaglaoich back where they belong in the halfbackline.
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Post by keane on Jan 31, 2022 13:05:30 GMT
I 100% agree Veteran. Great to read. I didn't stop to check if those now criticising Adrian, David etc are the same contributors as those who were wondering a week or two ago about what Gavin White brings to the team. What his end -product is was the question I believe if I remember correctly. Jesus wept. It was me questioning the accuracy of White's play in terms of spilling ball, running over the line and running into trouble last week. I didn't criticize anyone this week. A half of decent play against Kildare won't make the difference tbh, as I said last week it's a big year for him and for a lot of Kerry footballers who seem to have gotten the moniker of 'superstars' without doing much to warrant it. I would note that the goal White created he ran into a tackle, spilled the ball, was lucky it bounced off a limb before rolling wide and he did well to spoon it back into the mixer towards Spillane. They're all good players but this performance and tbh almost all of the performances of the whole team in big games in the last few years beg the question, are lads going to step up and actually become great players or not? White's one of a few around long enough now that it's time to put the question to bed. That's all I'm saying and I think it's fair enough. |
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Post by keane on Jan 31, 2022 13:08:00 GMT
On the more positive signs thought Morley did well at 6. Kildare ran at us a lot but the huge gaps through the middle didnt really appear and kildare didnt really get a sniff of a goal. He covered well I thought in the first half (was hard to tell from where I was ) 13 points in a game where we lost midfield for half of it isn't too bad. Good to see him and beaglaoich back where they belong in the halfbackline. I thought against Cork Morley was a little bit at 6s and 7s with A Spillane and himself seemingly trying to coordinate covering of the D and getting a bit mixed up at times. I thought it looked like he did a much better job of it yesterday. If he could get back to the level when he was playing CHB was it in '17 or '18 he would be a big asset. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 31, 2022 13:17:08 GMT
Does he have qualifications as a psychologist? It’s all about the small margins now so we’re a bit behind the curve from other teams when it comes to having a sport psychologist. Every aspect should be covered and it definitely won’t do any harm having one. seems to be all the rage these times, I am not convinced meself Caroline Currid highly rated but as I say, I am not convinced by all that stuff Plenty of theory out there but the challenge is the integration process and if that goes wrong then the house falls down. Jacko'c sent out signals that he is traditionalist, even with defensive systems, so does he buy into 'this modern stuff' or is it being forced on him. We so so badly need to look at a management pipeline and while I'd be all for the best people in the best roles, Kerry should be a n exporter of skill. I know we have managers elsewhere but how can the 'the best football county' lack ample backroom skillsets? PO'6, Horse and The Bawn would be turning in their graces at the thought of Kerry having to get coached on how to grow liathrodi. I don't believe for one minute that we haven't figured out how the game is best played to win and it was only the day after the 2003 AI final that John O'Keeffe was able to tell us how to eliminate the blanket - took us 10+ years to do it. Maybe the likes of Tally have a slight edge but the downside of that is that he may learn more from us than we learn from him - think Cian O'Neill with Cork 2020! Ah it's the way it is going but I just think we need to grow more of our own. P.S. Just read this and it gives another angle and hopefully it proves closer to the mark- Oisín McConville: Kerry, with Paddy Tally, will have a more defined way of playing |
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Post by taggert on Jan 31, 2022 13:32:55 GMT
I 100% agree Veteran. Great to read. I didn't stop to check if those now criticising Adrian, David etc are the same contributors as those who were wondering a week or two ago about what Gavin White brings to the team. What his end -product is was the question I believe if I remember correctly. Jesus wept. It was me questioning the accuracy of White's play in terms of spilling ball, running over the line and running into trouble last week. I didn't criticize anyone this week. A half of decent play against Kildare won't make the difference tbh, as I said last week it's a big year for him and for a lot of Kerry footballers who seem to have gotten the moniker of 'superstars' without doing much to warrant it. I would note that the goal White created he ran into a tackle, spilled the ball, was lucky it bounced off a limb before rolling wide and he did well to spoon it back into the mixer towards Spillane. They're all good players but this performance and tbh almost all of the performances of the whole team in big games in the last few years beg the question, are lads going to step up and actually become great players or not? White's one of a few around long enough now that it's time to put the question to bed. That's all I'm saying and I think it's fair enough. I too questioned Whites end product when it counts in the heat of the c'ship. Cork nullified him completely in 2020 and Tyrone invited a willing White into their lair in 2021 where he was readily dispossessed. He also struggled in '19 but wasnt helped in his wing forward stationing. Yesterday he was exemplary in that half as his runs culminated in scores. The criticisms are based on the recent body of his work in a Kerry jersey when it has mattered. Its the themes and trends over time, not in a one off game. Justified I think also. |
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Jan 31, 2022 13:33:26 GMT
On the more positive signs thought Morley did well at 6. Kildare ran at us a lot but the huge gaps through the middle didnt really appear and kildare didnt really get a sniff of a goal. He covered well I thought in the first half (was hard to tell from where I was ) 13 points in a game where we lost midfield for half of it isn't too bad. Good to see him and beaglaoich back where they belong in the halfbackline. I thought against Cork Morley was a little bit at 6s and 7s with A Spillane and himself seemingly trying to coordinate covering of the D and getting a bit mixed up at times. I thought it looked like he did a much better job of it yesterday. If he could get back to the level when he was playing CHB was it in '17 or '18 he would be a big asset. I tend to agree on Morley - the other players we have tried center back seem to get drawn into influencing the game going forward and sometimes missing their primary role in protecting the goal. I think Morley isn’t the most comfortable on the ball so tends to keep it simple which may be ideal for our needs. I am coming around to him being our best option for this position for this year. |
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Post by keane on Jan 31, 2022 13:38:11 GMT
I too questioned Whites end product when it counts in the heat of the c'ship. Cork nullified him completely in 2020 and Tyrone invited a willing White into their lair in 2021 where he was readily dispossessed. He also struggled in '19 but wasnt helped in his wing forward stationing. Yesterday he was exemplary in that half as his runs culminated in scores. The criticisms are based on the recent body of his work in a Kerry jersey when it has mattered. Its the themes and trends over time, not in a one off game. Justified I think also. In fairness, I should be clear - he was good yesterday for sure. |
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Post by fitz on Jan 31, 2022 13:47:35 GMT
Adrian definitely has some go in him, needs polishing, if he can stay clear of injury and importantly nullify the preventable mistakes like falling over soloing after winning a throw up and the concession of the equalizing free for what was a silly barge in the back. Coldrick gave them a couple of soft ones, especially second half, corner forward backing into the corner back being most noted.
Burns is too small for winter football maybe any season, no penetration,and have yet to see what Dara Moynihan brings, made one good pass for Clifford's late first half goal attempt. Like Darran in mold but doesn't deliver the penetration enough or scoring threat Darran had.
Forward play was just miles off it yesterday but this overly cautious lateral passing approach didn't help them either. Fear of losing starkly visible in second half.
Defensively we did ok but we had so many bodies dropped back that Kildare were mostly able to funnel back every time even when we won turnovers.
It was tough to watch Kerry trying to hang onto a lead (producing so many turnovers) against a team they should be beating comfortably, even in tough conditions.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 31, 2022 14:05:27 GMT
I 100% agree Veteran. Great to read. I didn't stop to check if those now criticising Adrian, David etc are the same contributors as those who were wondering a week or two ago about what Gavin White brings to the team. What his end -product is was the question I believe if I remember correctly. Jesus wept. It was me questioning the accuracy of White's play in terms of spilling ball, running over the line and running into trouble last week. I didn't criticize anyone this week. A half of decent play against Kildare won't make the difference tbh, as I said last week it's a big year for him and for a lot of Kerry footballers who seem to have gotten the moniker of 'superstars' without doing much to warrant it. I would note that the goal White created he ran into a tackle, spilled the ball, was lucky it bounced off a limb before rolling wide and he did well to spoon it back into the mixer towards Spillane. They're all good players but this performance and tbh almost all of the performances of the whole team in big games in the last few years beg the question, are lads going to step up and actually become great players or not? White's one of a few around long enough now that it's time to put the question to bed. That's all I'm saying and I think it's fair enough. It is fair enough. GW gave away very soft frees v Tyrone last year all of them scorable. Every time i seem he racing forward i think of Mickey Ned in 1975. Those runs will be fine in the Munster championship but against a phalanx of defenders by the real opposition it very likely that he will spill the ball or be dispossessed....or be sheparded into a cul de sac in the corner. I fear he will get injured regularly running at well organised defenses. And just to add.... should Kerry force a turnover in their own defense his lightening speed is a huge asset then with acres of space in front of him. |
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Post by veteran on Jan 31, 2022 14:11:23 GMT
So, apportioning blame to spectators for turning up late and thereby delaying the throw in is “lazy analysis “ . I am sure the derelict nature of the concourse did not help the ease of entry . On the other hand I had nor problem getting in. Guess why!
It would be well to remember that it happens at other stadia as well. The few on here who were at the McGrarh cup final would have experienced the same fate for an eight thousand attendance in a thirty five thousand capacity stadium. Primitive facilities I suppose . Not used to catering for crowds I suppose. Has it ever happened in Croke Park? Has it what! In fairness one couldn’t expect snowflakes . I mean fans, to brave the elements in Croke Park without any covered accommodation to wait for a match to commence.
How often have you been in your seat in Croke Park with the the second half in progress for seven or eight minutes and people still keep squeezing past with their coffee/sandwiches , and very often with a belly full of porter, obscurIng your view. Same principle . A mixture of arrogance and indifference to the comfort of others. Hold on and wait for me. It is alright for you little people to be punctual. I am a busy man and I do not have the time for waiting in line for a match to commence.
Get there in good time to allow for contingencies.
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Post by southward on Jan 31, 2022 14:14:03 GMT
Great to see the forum buzzing again.
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Post by kot on Jan 31, 2022 14:27:17 GMT
So, apportioning blame to spectators for turning up late and thereby delaying the throw in is “lazy analysis “ . I am sure the derelict nature of the concourse did not help the ease of entry . On the other hand I had nor problem getting in. Guess why! It would be well to remember that it happens at other stadia as well. The few on here who were at the McGrarh cup final would have experienced the same fate for an eight thousand attendance in a thirty five thousand capacity stadium. Primitive facilities I suppose . Not used to catering for crowds I suppose. Has it ever happened in Croke Park? Has it what! In fairness one couldn’t expect snowflakes . I mean fans, to brave the elements in Croke Park without any covered accommodation to wait for a match to commence. How often have you been in your seat in Croke Park with the the second half in progress for seven or eight minutes and people still keep squeezing past with their coffee/sandwiches , and very often with a belly full of porter, obscurIng your view. Same principle . A mixture of arrogance and indifference to the comfort of others. Hold on and wait for me. It is alright for you little people to be punctual. I am a busy man and I do not have the time for waiting in line for a match to commence. Get there in good time to allow for contingencies. You can get in to most stadiums in good time turning up very shortly before games. Most people standing outside Newbridge yeseterday getting crushed and cramped were there well before half 1 so should be ample time (if it was properly organised) to get people into the ground. My wife brought kids to the bathroom 10 minutes before half time to avoid the crowd and still only got back right after the thrown in for the 2nd half such was the calamity of the set up and crown control. We were 30 minutes outside the ground trying to get in before throw in. Does venting about that classify me as a snowflake? The whole set up was a shambles and the ground is not fit for purpose. This was not the fault of any fan or group of fans. And yes, to suggest it was in some way their fault is lazy I'm sorry to say. Is it not fair to say that Newbridge is not fit for purpose for games of this nature? |
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Post by dc84 on Jan 31, 2022 14:34:00 GMT
So, apportioning blame to spectators for turning up late and thereby delaying the throw in is “lazy analysis “ . I am sure the derelict nature of the concourse did not help the ease of entry . On the other hand I had nor problem getting in. Guess why! It would be well to remember that it happens at other stadia as well. The few on here who were at the McGrarh cup final would have experienced the same fate for an eight thousand attendance in a thirty five thousand capacity stadium. Primitive facilities I suppose . Not used to catering for crowds I suppose. Has it ever happened in Croke Park? Has it what! In fairness one couldn’t expect snowflakes . I mean fans, to brave the elements in Croke Park without any covered accommodation to wait for a match to commence. How often have you been in your seat in Croke Park with the the second half in progress for seven or eight minutes and people still keep squeezing past with their coffee/sandwiches , and very often with a belly full of porter, obscurIng your view. Same principle . A mixture of arrogance and indifference to the comfort of others. Hold on and wait for me. It is alright for you little people to be punctual. I am a busy man and I do not have the time for waiting in line for a match to commence. Get there in good time to allow for contingencies. You can get in to most stadiums in good time turning up very shortly before games. Most people standing outside Newbridge yeseterday getting crushed and cramped were there well before half 1 so should be ample time (if it was properly organised) to get people into the ground. My wife brought kids to the bathroom 10 minutes before half time to avoid the crowd and still only got back right after the thrown in for the 2nd half such was the calamity of the set up and crown control. We were 30 minutes outside the ground trying to get in before throw in. Does venting about that classify me as a snowflake? The whole set up was a shambles and the ground is not fit for purpose. This was not the fault of any fan or group of fans. And yes, to suggest it was in some way their fault is lazy I'm sorry to say. Is it not fair to say that Newbridge is not fit for purpose for games of this nature? I agree with both of us actually I knew it was a disaster of a ground so arrived at 1 still took me 20 mins to get in was there only 4 turnstiles open? Very poor |
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Post by buck02 on Jan 31, 2022 14:44:07 GMT
I agree about the venue not being fit for purpose. I've been to lots of grounds around the country and this ones makes the old Pairc Ui Chaoimh look like Spurs new ground.
But I wonder if I bothered to look back at this forum at the time of "Newbridge or Nowhere", would any of the people who experienced the calamity yesterday and have rightly expressed their views have been giving out about the venue being suited for only 5,000 as being "health and safety gone mad".
Anybody suggesting that the game should not have been put back 15 minutes to prevent a worse crush outside is mad. And that is coming from somebody who was in there an hour before throw in.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 31, 2022 14:47:17 GMT
I arrived as the Kerry team were walking in.
At that stage it was busy enough in the main stand.
I wouldn't blame any fans yesterday it wasnt the same as Dubs being in the pubs and are late in.
This was families etc and were there in ample time.
Kildare GAA knew it was a sell out so you'd have to ask why adequate planning was not in place.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jan 31, 2022 15:12:55 GMT
So, apportioning blame to spectators for turning up late and thereby delaying the throw in is “lazy analysis “ . I am sure the derelict nature of the concourse did not help the ease of entry . On the other hand I had nor problem getting in. Guess why! It would be well to remember that it happens at other stadia as well. The few on here who were at the McGrarh cup final would have experienced the same fate for an eight thousand attendance in a thirty five thousand capacity stadium. Primitive facilities I suppose . Not used to catering for crowds I suppose. Has it ever happened in Croke Park? Has it what! In fairness one couldn’t expect snowflakes . I mean fans, to brave the elements in Croke Park without any covered accommodation to wait for a match to commence. How often have you been in your seat in Croke Park with the the second half in progress for seven or eight minutes and people still keep squeezing past with their coffee/sandwiches , and very often with a belly full of porter, obscurIng your view. Same principle . A mixture of arrogance and indifference to the comfort of others. Hold on and wait for me. It is alright for you little people to be punctual. I am a busy man and I do not have the time for waiting in line for a match to commence. Get there in good time to allow for contingencies. What do you think a good time is as I was in the queue from 1.05pm (40 minutes to throw in) and didn't get in until they opened the gate (1.50pm) and people were allowed in without stewards checking tickets. Had they not opened the gate and started the game on time I'd have missed most of the first half. That's why I said it was lazy analysis, because it is and I'd stand over my comment. No one should be queuing for that amount of time for a venue with 9k. Rather than take stock of the information provided you behave arrogantly and double down. Maybe you should have used that free time inside St Conleth's on self-reflection. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 31, 2022 15:32:27 GMT
We've always done well against the Dubs in the league so I wouldn't read much into next Sat night. Dublin are on the way down - its the only place top teams tend to go. On the matter of Adrian Spillane, much like Jack Barry, are we going to win an All Ireland with them starting? Adrian battled manly throughout but in the 1st half soloed into a tackle and was turned over. Did the same in 2nd half, and they went up the field for a rousing score. He then gave away 2 late frees. 3 points handed to them. He wasnt helped by the out of position and an anaemic Seanie O'Shea on the day of course. But some consistent questions and themes emerging - from before today and again today: 1. Foley struggles once pacey attacker gets out in front; 2. Murphy can't offer resistance from the marauding runs of the middle 8; 3. K.Spillane only plays in a burst and then fades rapidly; 4. Geaneys legs are gone at the top level; 5. Our wing forwards rarely if ever score; 6. Our forwards try low percentage, eye of the needle passes to a heavily marked Clifford and we cough up ball; 7. We dont show enough patience and craft to work high percentage chances for our marksmen, instead relying on them to score individual worldies;8. We turn over far too much cheap posssession; 9. We lack size and power in the forwards; 10. Our Keepers can crack fairly easily. If its any consolation, the bit in italics is an extract from the Dubs forum. This poster thinks that Dublin no longer have the players to display patience and craft to work high percentage chances for the shooters. Ot lads who can kick long range points Recycling the ball is necessary when teams put 14 behind the ball but when you create the openings you need accuracy and players who can score outside the D. We didn’t have that last night and for the time of year the elements were kind to shooting. My concern is our refusal to kick long now, and our refusal to let a long kickout go too. The game plan has to be mixed up, it’s the only way we can isolate Con inside, that and going after the oppositions kickout which we were awful at last night. We can’t have a return to last year when every Dublin attack is against 14 defenders and our best players need to go deep to get on the ball. A lot inevitably will but goals don’t get scored that way and it was the same last night with the ones we conceded. Previous success was built on effective powerplay by turning over the opposition on their way out and getting after their kickouts.
Other teams have copied the Gavin method to the hilt but we don’t have the players to do it anymore, not consistently anyhow. It’s time to go a bit more orthodox, get a player like Kilkenny at 14 and let Con play off him. Kilkennys switch to 14 last night came too late in the game when it was goals or nothing and Armagh were happy for us to have the ball but outside the D.
Recycled hand passing is every teams modus operandi as every team plays with mass defending without the ball but we need an Option B off set plays and turnovers before defences are set, which essentially is how football games are won these days. We havnt seen any of this in the last year.
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