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Post by Mickmack on Jan 30, 2022 22:17:36 GMT
Line up i'd like to see: Ryan Donoghue Foley Casey Begley Morley TomSul Diarmuid Jack Paudie Seanie Jack Tony David Killian Assuming GW is out, would take opportunity to see Tom at wing back and Dylan in the corner. Na Gaeil midfield pairing. Half fwd line that has a good mix. No Murphy or Geaney - this is about the next generation and seeing what they have. Ya, I like your line up, similarly I'd also like to see Tom Sullivan on the wing, but would it be fair to throw Casey in against the Dubs in a full housed ASP. Tom Sullivan seems to have more attacking nous than a lot of the forwards. He seems to have that few seconds extra to size up options and he invariably chooses the right option. |
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Post by taggert on Jan 30, 2022 22:17:49 GMT
Now is the time to learn about fellas - not in a very 1-sided Munster c'ship game (e.g. insert County) or in a latter stage league game where the opponents have checked out (e.g. Tyrone).
I think if GW is out, the opportunity to see Dylan and Tom outside him is ready made.
Tony scored a fantastic point in the 2nd half today when Kerry were abject. I felt Geaney was poor throughout today, Spillane was poor in the 2nd half.
If we dont blood new players, I think we are done for later in the summer. Now is the time, if they dont come good, well then its back to Murphy, A Spillane and Geaney et al for Championship 2022.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 30, 2022 22:22:01 GMT
Now is the time to learn about fellas - not in a very 1-sided Munster c'ship game (e.g. insert County) or in a latter stage league game where the opponents have checked out (e.g. Tyrone). Armagh v Donegal is 14 days after the league final i think so their focus will be shifting to that towards the end of the league. |
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Post by taggert on Jan 30, 2022 22:25:21 GMT
Now is the time to learn about fellas - not in a very 1-sided Munster c'ship game (e.g. insert County) or in a latter stage league game where the opponents have checked out (e.g. Tyrone). Armagh v Donegal is 14 days after the league final i think so their focus will be shifting to that towards the end of the league. Exactly..... |
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Post by The16thMan on Jan 30, 2022 22:29:55 GMT
Pat Spillane raised a point I hadn't considered. Kerry's half forward line were all under 5 foot 10, in an area that is crucial for winning primary possession at kickout time. I would have thought our best half forward line would be DOC, SOS AND Paudie where we have 2 men over 5'10'. So it won't be anything to worry about come Championship time I'd imagine
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Post by mike70 on Jan 30, 2022 22:38:58 GMT
Ya, I like your line up, similarly I'd also like to see Tom Sullivan on the wing, but would it be fair to throw Casey in against the Dubs in a full housed ASP. Tom Sullivan seems to have more attacking nous than a lot of the forwards. He seems to have that few seconds extra to size up options and he invariably chooses the right option. I am afraid Tom took 10 steps for his point today, the dingle dancers are fast a foot. But he does ghost into great positions. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 30, 2022 22:59:12 GMT
Does he have qualifications as a psychologist? It’s all about the small margins now so we’re a bit behind the curve from other teams when it comes to having a sport psychologist. Every aspect should be covered and it definitely won’t do any harm having one. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 30, 2022 23:01:13 GMT
Pat Spillane raised a point I hadn't considered. Kerry's half forward line were all under 5 foot 10, in an area that is crucial for winning primary possession at kickout time. I would have thought our best half forward line would be DOC, SOS AND Paudie where we have 2 men over 5'10'. So it won't be anything to worry about come Championship time I'd imagine That point was well flagged in the build up in fairness. That would also be my preferred half forward line with Stephen O’Brien as the main alternative option. |
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Post by mossie on Jan 30, 2022 23:09:48 GMT
Does he have qualifications as a psychologist? It’s all about the small margins now so we’re a bit behind the curve from other teams when it comes to having a sport psychologist. Every aspect should be covered and it definitely won’t do any harm having one. seems to be all the rage these times, I am not convinced meself Caroline Currid highly rated but as I say, I am not convinced by all that stuff |
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Post by MeathExile on Jan 30, 2022 23:11:28 GMT
2 words....January thirtieth. Walk aysy lads - Newbridge is very tight, wet weather, soft(ish) ground. Lot different to conditions later on. No need to be going over the top whatever the result was today. Compare Newbridge today to Croke park conditions last night.
Main issue I have is the lack of physicality half-back to half forward - this will be improved with Breen, Diarmuid, Jack, David. I know I keep banging on about Barry O Mahony - but he is made for this type of physical competition...I wish Jack would bring him in (assuming he has made himself available). He has a lot more football than some of the lads we saw starting and coming on today.
Adrian Spillane is a conundrum for me - I love his fight and physicality, but he needs to learn to control his aggression and learn to shadow sometimes instead of the blatant pushes we saw today a couple of times.
This year I think we will see a very tight league and championship. There are no clear front-runners for once. Every team seem to have their pluses and negatives, including ourselves.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 30, 2022 23:27:51 GMT
The lack of new players is still a negative for me. From the team today you could say Dan O’Donoghue and Shane Murphy were the only starters who weren’t involved last year and Jack Savage and Greg Horan from the bench. I didn’t think Greg Horan made any impression when he came on. He looked lacklustre, a player trying to break into the setup coming on should be bursting a gut. Surely there are a few players who could offer us something different that should have been looked at. There are names who I have mentioned before who aren’t on the panel who I feel could improve us, they’re definitely worth a look anyway. Hopefully they might be brought in yet. I wonder is there anything to be said for giving Eanna O’Conchuir a run the next night? Ok maybe there are weaknesses to his game but he is energetic, competitive and physical.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 30, 2022 23:33:35 GMT
The lack of new players is still a negative for me. From the team today you could say Dan O’Donoghue and Shane Murphy were the only starters who weren’t involved last year and Jack Savage and Greg Horan from the bench. I didn’t think Greg Horan made any impression when he came on. He looked lacklustre, a player trying to break into the setup coming on should be bursting a gut. Surely there are a few players who could offer us something different that should have been looked at. There are names who I have mentioned before who aren’t on the panel who I feel could improve us, they’re definitely worth a look anyway. Hopefully they might be brought in yet. I wonder is there anything to be said for giving Eanna O’Conchuir a run the next night? Ok maybe there are weaknesses to his game but he is energetic, competitive and physical. Infairness Kerry were all over the shop when Greg came in. |
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Post by pillar on Jan 30, 2022 23:39:40 GMT
The lack of new players is still a negative for me. From the team today you could say Dan O’Donoghue and Shane Murphy were the only starters who weren’t involved last year and Jack Savage and Greg Horan from the bench. I didn’t think Greg Horan made any impression when he came on. He looked lacklustre, a player trying to break into the setup coming on should be bursting a gut. Surely there are a few players who could offer us something different that should have been looked at. There are names who I have mentioned before who aren’t on the panel who I feel could improve us, they’re definitely worth a look anyway. Hopefully they might be brought in yet. I wonder is there anything to be said for giving Eanna O’Conchuir a run the next night? Ok maybe there are weaknesses to his game but he is energetic, competitive and physical. Infairness Kerry were all over the shop when Greg came in. I'm of the opinion that we were short players last year to win an All Ireland and nothing has changed..we have 4 forwards of quality but we're playing 1 at midfield...we have to get 2 midfielders, I think Diarmaid O Connor is one and David Moran another but hes in his last year..We have 1 All Star defender,so I make it we have 6 players,who if on song are good enough for any team in the Country.Dan O Donoghue is tough and worth more chances but outside of that were still in the same boat. |
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Post by gaelicden on Jan 30, 2022 23:41:06 GMT
Does he have qualifications as a psychologist? It’s all about the small margins now so we’re a bit behind the curve from other teams when it comes to having a sport psychologist. Every aspect should be covered and it definitely won’t do any harm having one. A quick look at his LinkedIn profile can easily tell the story. Apart from a few economic degrees at the beginning of his career, his later degrees in Canada and Lancaster included Human Kinetics (maximizing performance) and Leadership. He was also involved with the Dublin hurlers in a similar capacity in 2013. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Jan 30, 2022 23:50:07 GMT
Interesting comments. There are players in the county that are pacey and strong. Tomas Ó Sé Eddie Horan Adam Donoghue. Our half forward line needs at least one player over 6 foot for kickouts. Many of us complained about the selection in the half forward line. Burns and Moynihan can't both be stayers together and in my opinion I would nt play them at all.
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Post by thehermit on Jan 30, 2022 23:52:53 GMT
Well the dampness is still clinging to the bones after that downpour in Newbridge towards the end.
What was with Newbridge by the way? Got outside the ground around half past and the queues were massive and non-moving. We got 50 yards in about 20 minutes before they had to throw open a gate to allow everyone in, even after delaying the game.
No sign of programs on sale either when we got in - very frustrating!!!!
And even though there was plenty of room in the stand the stewards ushered us left and we were exiled behind the far goals. Even at half time the lads in the yellow vests had no intention of opening the gates and letting a few perished souls get some shelter under the roof.
No offence to Kildare GAA but Newbridge must be in the top 3 worst inter-county grounds on this island - and I've been to Pairc Tailteann!
Reading the posts and reflecting I think some people are right - Kerry supporters are a fiery breed. We're either All Ireland champions in waiting or some Division 4 side in masquerade. And I'm absolutely as bad as anyone with that.
Look we were woeful today and Kildare deserved a draw at the very least. But it was a dirty day, tight pitch, and well a lot of lads had as bad a game as you could hope for. We know a couple of those lines probably are not going to get us Sam but better to confirm this in January than while indulging in 99s.
Maybe its best to hold fire to see what next Saturday brings.
An Riocht Abu!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 0:02:20 GMT
Does he have qualifications as a psychologist? It’s all about the small margins now so we’re a bit behind the curve from other teams when it comes to having a sport psychologist. Every aspect should be covered and it definitely won’t do any harm having one. seems to be all the rage these times, I am not convinced meself Caroline Currid highly rated but as I say, I am not convinced by all that stuff how much can he do with the lads in 5/6 months, not much I'd be thinking. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 31, 2022 0:25:37 GMT
seems to be all the rage these times, I am not convinced meself Caroline Currid highly rated but as I say, I am not convinced by all that stuff how much can he do with the lads in 5/6 months, not much I'd be thinking. Well we had a mountain climber last year and that worked a treat. |
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Post by kerryexile on Jan 31, 2022 0:52:06 GMT
I thought it was obvious in the game that Kerry had put in a hard week of stamina training. The legs were stiff and the mental energy was not there. There were clear examples of this. It is amazing that people will make sweeping statement about players and they don't even know what they are looking at. Some players will be less effected than other - as a general rule backs less than forwards.
It will be a completely different kettle of fish next Saturday night.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 1:47:41 GMT
how much can he do with the lads in 5/6 months, not much I'd be thinking. Well we had a mountain climber last year and that worked a treat. that's true, can we not afford to get that Caroline Curid lady? I thought we were supposed to be heaving with money. It gas to think that Jack is buying into this kinda thing when he totally ignored Donaghy when he suggested that the team trained for different scenarios in 2011. It's funny how we'll pay outsiders to come in and do jobs that fellas like Donaghy and Gooch could do and probably would do for nothing. Could ye imagine Gooch and Donaghy working with our misfiring forwards? But maybe we'll have to wait till Jack's tenure has concluded to see these lads get a go. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Jan 31, 2022 9:09:24 GMT
On the comment on programmes for sale. I got into the ground in plenty of time (about 1.15pm) and got into stand. I got a programme but after a bit of a search. There were nt too many people selling them.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 31, 2022 9:14:58 GMT
www.the42.ie/tony-griffin-new-book-5432339-May2021/I read his 2010 book where cycled across Canada to raise funds for Cancer. This knows knows a thing or two about endurance thats for sure. I'd say young players will get something from it. As for getting Caroline Currid, the funds in the county board may be in a good state but we dont have JP McManus at our back.
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Post by southward on Jan 31, 2022 9:37:08 GMT
Kerry people are delued if they can think they can win an all ireland with that take care of the two Clifford's and white. No other players to offer as the other post tells ye what we think if joc. As they say in the racing game joc when your in the bookies and the horse loses hes a beaten docket we are the lads to see the back of him They call him a pay cheque merchant he is Codding no one Who let the troll in lads? |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 31, 2022 9:45:12 GMT
They call him a pay cheque merchant he is Codding no one Who let the troll in lads? Was thinking the same last night. Nobody took the bait, good to see 👍 |
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Post by taggert on Jan 31, 2022 9:55:24 GMT
Who let the troll in lads? Was thinking the same last night. Nobody took the bait, good to see 👍 I know a brother-in-law of Glenn Ryans barber and he said not to believe a word from Glenn Ryans nieces husbands old drinking buddy..... |
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 31, 2022 10:00:04 GMT
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Post by thehermit on Jan 31, 2022 10:06:02 GMT
Tickets just went on sale for Dublin game!!!
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Post by veteran on Jan 31, 2022 10:15:46 GMT
If an old man like me can be in plenty of time for a match far away from home why can't younger folk, very likely living much closer to Newbridge , be in time. Once more we had we had to endure an announcement that the match was being delayed by fifteen minutes to accommodate laggards. Something similar happened at the McGrath cup final. I resent this greatly.
Reading the consternation expressed on Saturday here regarding the new jersey I was expecting something resembling a polka dot petticoat. I was pleasantly surprised by what I saw and, importantly, the numbers were clearly visible.
Kildare started furiously buoyed by a rabid following. We gradually weathered the storm and when Killian scored the goal I felt we would comfortably have their measure. Our backs were tight and our midfield were shading it with Adrian in particular working industriously. David kicked over two glorious points. He audaciously went for a goal from a sharpish angle and it skittered very close to the far post. It was close and had it gone in we had them nailed. During that half he picked up a mystery yellow card and of course he was fair game for provocation for the remainder of the game. We led by four at the break. Reasonably optimistic at that stage.
Kildare were bouncing in that second half and in the face of that we became tentative, reverting to keep ball with cross field passing in the half back line and midfield. In the meantime our inside lads were making their runs while our outfield players were unaware or indifferent to those efforts. When they did decide to release it our full forward were now in clamps. A painfully and distressingly recurring theme. Another factor in that second half was that the Kildare midfield were now on top. A double whammy for Killian, David and Paul. Sean O'Shea was anonymous in this half and Adrian flagged as the half progressed. I must say this about Adrian. I have often been critical of him , mainly because sometimes gets involved in off the ball silliness, but he put an honest shift yesterday. Worked tirelessly with attitude. He was one of the few of our lads who was prepared to put the head down and run straight. Turned over a few times but turned a few over as well. He wasn't flawless but he was game and brave.
As Kildare whittled away at our lead I had one wish. I will go back to a dismally wet Saturday evening in Longford in 2009 to illustrate my point. As the second half in that game progressed the locals horsed into us and had us rattled. In those circumstances the local following act as the sixteenth player, just like yesterday, and the referee is not immune to that raucousness, just like yesterday. In any case, in that game we were beginning to buckle , just like yesterday, and were unable to get our hands on the ball at midfield, just like yesterday. Was KD sent off that stage? Not sure. Then the unfashionable Micheal Quirke was introduced. Cometh the hour , cometh the fielder. Michael brought down three or four form the clouds and thereby silenced the home following. My one wish yesterday as the game was slipping away from us , when our backs were to the wall was not for any high falutin plays. Oh no, as Kildare pressed up on our kicks out and forced us to go long, it was for somebody at midfield who could propel himself off the ground, stretch his hands over his head and grasp that ball on a couple of occasions. That would simultaneously lift the siege, silence the baying mob and put manners on the referee. It didn't happen. Therein lies a sad tale.
The period of the game about which I speak we had Greg Horan languishing at wing forward. Could he not have been shifted into that troublesome spot for a while. No guarantee it would work but when your back is to the wall try something. Eanna O'Conchuir was in the subs. I have seen this man fetch gloriously at underage and for this club. His introduction may not not have worked but when your back is to the wall try something. We were outplayed there in that crucial period, hence the concession of our lead.
I notice some people here continue to be critical of PG , saying he is yesterday's man. Once in the first half and once in the second half he delivered a majestic ball to an isolated ? Dara Moynihan and had they been collected, as they should, would vey likely have resulted in goals. He also kicked an invaluable point in the second half when scores were like goal dust. Tony Brosnan kicked a great one in very difficult circumstances. I notice that not even the great David has not escaped criticism. Oh, he takes on impossible shots, too many snap shots etc. He took on two impossible ones yesterday and converted. He was converted a lot of impossible ones!
I mention Paul, David, Tony and indeed Killian by way of revealing something that I have lived with for a long time. It is a dark secret which has become too burdensome to bear. How shall I put it. Alright the time is now. I have an incurable weakness for forwards who dare to kick the ball as opposed to pass the parcel merchants. I feel better having got that off my chest. I regard it as a basic skill just as I regard the ability to catch the ball over the head as a basic skill. I concede, that to " deep thinkers" these skills ae mere trivia , not esoteric enough. It is about systems and processes now boy. I get that of course.
I was delighted for Jason that he played so well yesterday. He met a good man but was more than his match.
Gavin was a big loss. Took two heavy challenges from the same player for his troubles only one of which was punished. There was time in his career when referees felt it was legitimate to use Paul Galvin as a punch bag. I hope referees do not adopt the same attitude to towards Gavin. Either way, he now joins our ever growing casualty list.
Dara Moynihan has lost the cockiness, brio and busyness of his pre injury incarnation. Let us hope he can be rejuvenated.
Dan O'Donoghue continues to impress.
Brian O'Beaghlaigh played well when he came on for Gavin.
Get Sean O'Shea back on the forty for his own well being and ours.
Did we get any scorable free in the second half?
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Post by buck02 on Jan 31, 2022 10:38:14 GMT
Its too early in the season to be reading too much into a single display. But again Kerry failed to win a tight game that they should have won. Tyrone 2021, Cork 2020, Dublin 2019, Mayo 2017. Its a recurring theme at this stage and I'm sure other teams are thinking "stick with these lads, they don't have it in them to finish out a tight game". That needs to be changed. Whether its Jack or Paddy Go Back or the Clare fella who does it - well somebody needs to grasp the nettle.
Kerry looked to me like they had a tough block of training done yesterday - there wasn't much left in the legs with 20 minutes to go. The tight pitch, condition of the pitch and dank conditions might also have been a factor.
It was a good test for Tom and Jason at the back and both did OK. Hyland is a lively player and will improve as the ground hardens. Gavin White's injury was a massive blow and we missed his cutting edge in the second half, although Begley tried his best to bring that to the fray.
Adrian Spillane is playing like a fella who knows there is a spot up for grabs. He tends to get dominated in the air a bit too easily for my liking though. Kerry also need to have a strategy for the throw in - were obliterated at the start of both halves in that regard.
Seanie is needed in the half forward line plain and simple. Dara, Paudie, Burns and Savage all too similar. Jack did himself no favours yesterday and did nothing to dispel the notion in my head that Peter Keane was correct in not having him involved. Hope he proves me wrong.
Our inside forwards suffered due to the pitch, the numbers back by Kildare and by making uncharacteristic basic errors. Poor handling, slipping, making the mistake of thinking of what they were going to do with the ball before they got it and then not getting it.
I noticed yesterday on the sideline that Mike Quirke is alone there with Jack. They didn't seem to communicate much either. Mike is "miked up" to I assume Diarmuid Murphy and Paddy Tally in the stand.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jan 31, 2022 10:38:59 GMT
My first time ever in Newbridge yesterday and have to say it is an absolute dump. I can see why the GAA wanted to move the Mayo super 8's game out of there. The farcical situation at the turnstiles was beyond belief with everyone corralled and hemmed in to the one area. Then they decided to fling the main gate open as they knew they wouldn't have all the people processed through the turnstiles even with the delay. I had my two children with me and was lucky to have a relative on hand to help when we were pushed though the gate and turned left.
We ended up behind the far goal. There was absolutely no elevation on the terrace so even though we were near the back it was hard to look over those in front. Added to that the wire surrounding the pitch was populated with Adults (Normally kids) and given the poor terrace design made it a very hard watch.
Enough of my rant and onto the game.
I am in two minds. I want to believe that it was just the first game of the league and that we will improve. Getting to know systems etc. But, in reality a lot of the failings of the last few years were in evidence. I agree with those that say our forward line is vastly over rated. Only Clifford is a consistent scoring threat. I still fail to see what Burns brings to the party. He offers no threat or physicality at all and the same could be said about Moynihan. Didn't watch the Sunday Game or whatever the league version is called but, would agree with those that have referenced Pat Spillane in saying we lack size.
In the middle 8 yesterday our tallest player was Sean O'Shea at 6'2. Adrian Spillane is 6'1. Morley & White are 6'. The rest are all well under 6 foot. Not only are we well short of options when forced to go long we lack any sort of force / physicality there. I think Jack Barry and DOC will have to come straight into the team.
Our defence did well on the whole. Dan O'Donoghue acquitted himself well. Still worry about Jason Foley. Yesterday had a great view from behind the goals. He insisted on playing his man from behind even though he couldn't get round him when they ran from the ball so his pace was nullified. Maybe he improved in the second half. It was hard to see at the other end.
Our forward movement and handling were poor overall. Though Tony kicked a nice point after he game on and Jack Savage at least tried to make things happen.
If Gavin misses the next game I would look at the possibility of moving Tom to the wing and bringing in GOS or Casey to the corner. Ideally Casey but, might be best to leave him find his feet before he is tasked with marking Rock or Costello.
Barry and DOC to midfield with SOS going to centre forward and Spillane onto one wing with Paudie Clifford on the other. I would start Tony B, Clifford and Spillane in the full forward line. Would also look to get paul O'Shea involved if possible duting the game.
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