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Post by fitz on Jan 31, 2022 19:23:46 GMT
Maybe it was the fact that speaker was directly above my head that soured my opinion and as I can't even categorize sopranos from tenors...I'l get my coat
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 31, 2022 19:59:54 GMT
Yes the announcer was very pro Kildare but was good tbf. The stadium is in need of an overhaul though. On criticism of players on the forum we are doing it just giving our opinions. We all want what's best for Kerry. I hold Kerry players by high standards so I judge them on high standards. I like my players to be tough and hard but not dirty. I have seen many brilliant players and yet I find faults with them that naybe others don't. I found faults with Donaghy Gooch etc. They were Kerry legends but I had issues with them on the field. The problem I had with Donaghy was his constant arguing with ref. With Gooch I did nt like the way he would lie on the ground in the foetal position everytime he got a bang. They were legends but as a ref told me they would make a refs blood boil and subconsciously a ref might give decisions against us because of their antics. I just love the players that get on with the game the Séamus Moynihan Maurice Fitz Declan Ó Sullivan Mike Mccarthy. Also I am critical of certain players on team today. I am a critic of David Clifford (not his talent as I picked him from a young teen and his class is in no doubt) but for me he sometimes does nt take the best option and also he has a nasty side to him that's he does nt need. It will cost us yet. Adrian Spillane is another that often is needlessly pushing players and it's silly and there's no need of it. I'm critical of our wing forwards as I believe it's been a major problem for us the last few years. I genuinely don't think Burns or Moynihan are up to the task. Both were excellent minors but have nt kicked on. I was a fan of Killian but I'm begining to agree with Kboy that he might not be a full game player. I would write Paul off yet although he seems to be struggling. However I don't think we gave better than on the line. On Foley I thought he did OK yesterday but as another poster said he played from the back most of the time and maybe should use his speed more. I think Dan Ó Donoghue is a great prospect eventhough he had a tough outing yesterday. I actually thought Tom Sullivan struggled a bit yesterday. I thought Morley and White were our best backs. I don't think Murphy was too bad either. Adrian tries hard and out in some good tackles but can be silly too. I like some here believe we still need David Moran but not for full game. We need Diarmuid too although maybe at half forward. I used be a fan of Jack Barry but I thinks it's last chance saloon for him too. Finally the old adage is the best form of defense is attack (not keep ball when defending a two point lead). With Gooch I did nt like the way he would lie on the ground in the foetal position everytime he got a bang FFS 1. How many times did a gang of Dubs lay into you in a manner that would have 'em all locked up if they did it on the street? BTW did Ryan McMenamin ever operate on your eyes in the first 5mions of an AI final? My sole interest in Foley is that he of my parish, so you tell us all - does a FB stay behind the FF or go in front? Did you ever mark Cathal McShane, a man who's median stride is maybe 10'+? At this stage I'm running the slide rule over Jason and I can't see anything wrong with how he plays. Looks like his speed is now a weakness because he can't be in two places at the same time, i.e. behind and in front of his man! PK dispensed with Jason, then he realised his mistake - Jacko sticks with him - ah maybe your comment is a passing one, but players hear this back. I long for the day Sam is tucked safely back in Lower Moybella and Jason and myself are having a chat about olden times.
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Post by taggert on Jan 31, 2022 20:38:52 GMT
Bally, I've very good time for Jason but I did say on this thread he was ill at ease when his man beat him to the ball on several occasions in the first half.
My point is not about being beaten to the ball as that will happen regularly to every player in any full back line. My point is that he tends to panic as if all is lost at that point, which it should never be. Many defenders thrive even when their opponent wins the initial ball.
The attacker will invariably still have his back to goal and Jason has the size and pace to hold him up. He should get more comfortable on the occasions that his pace doesnt allow him win the first ball. Its an aspect of his game I'd like him to develop.
Having a deeper 6 will also help cut the space in that regard.
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Jan 31, 2022 20:57:33 GMT
Bally, I've very good time for Jason but I did say on this thread he was ill at ease when his man beat him to the ball on several occasions in the first half. My point is not about being beaten to the ball as that will happen regularly to every player in any full back line. My point is that he tends to panic as if all is lost at that point, which it should never be. Many defenders thrive even when their opponent wins the initial ball. The attacker will invariably still have his back to goal and Jason has the size and pace to hold him up. He should get more comfortable on the occasions that his pace doesnt allow him win the first ball. Its an aspect of his game I'd like him to develop. Having a deeper 6 will also help cut the space in that regard. I actually felt Jason had one of his better days yesterday. Flynn is all about pace which suited Jason. Think he struggles with smaller powerfully built forwards to be honest.
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Post by taggert on Jan 31, 2022 21:08:51 GMT
1st half no, 2nd half yes.
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Post by bishop on Jan 31, 2022 21:17:48 GMT
Yes the announcer was very pro Kildare but was good tbf. The stadium is in need of an overhaul though. On criticism of players on the forum we are doing it just giving our opinions. We all want what's best for Kerry. I hold Kerry players by high standards so I judge them on high standards. I like my players to be tough and hard but not dirty. I have seen many brilliant players and yet I find faults with them that naybe others don't. I found faults with Donaghy Gooch etc. They were Kerry legends but I had issues with them on the field. The problem I had with Donaghy was his constant arguing with ref. With Gooch I did nt like the way he would lie on the ground in the foetal position everytime he got a bang. They were legends but as a ref told me they would make a refs blood boil and subconsciously a ref might give decisions against us because of their antics. I just love the players that get on with the game the Séamus Moynihan Maurice Fitz Declan Ó Sullivan Mike Mccarthy. Also I am critical of certain players on team today. I am a critic of David Clifford (not his talent as I picked him from a young teen and his class is in no doubt) but for me he sometimes does nt take the best option and also he has a nasty side to him that's he does nt need. It will cost us yet. Adrian Spillane is another that often is needlessly pushing players and it's silly and there's no need of it. I'm critical of our wing forwards as I believe it's been a major problem for us the last few years. I genuinely don't think Burns or Moynihan are up to the task. Both were excellent minors but have nt kicked on. I was a fan of Killian but I'm begining to agree with Kboy that he might not be a full game player. I would write Paul off yet although he seems to be struggling. However I don't think we gave better than on the line. On Foley I thought he did OK yesterday but as another poster said he played from the back most of the time and maybe should use his speed more. I think Dan Ó Donoghue is a great prospect eventhough he had a tough outing yesterday. I actually thought Tom Sullivan struggled a bit yesterday. I thought Morley and White were our best backs. I don't think Murphy was too bad either. Adrian tries hard and out in some good tackles but can be silly too. I like some here believe we still need David Moran but not for full game. We need Diarmuid too although maybe at half forward. I used be a fan of Jack Barry but I thinks it's last chance saloon for him too. Finally the old adage is the best form of defense is attack (not keep ball when defending a two point lead). You think that Donaghy was constantly arguing with referees, but that Declan 'just got on with the game'?? Bit of a hole in your point there
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Post by shannonsider81 on Jan 31, 2022 23:42:49 GMT
Was one of a good number of Kerry supporters in Newbridge yesterday. Just to add my 2 cents to what has been said. It wasn't the most pleasant of days overall in any aspect. The venue is dilapidated and the terrace has very little elevation so viewing angle not great. The weather deteriorated and the cold showers were not what we needed on or off the pitch! The performance obviously is more important than the above, but that was similar to the weather in a way sadly. It is early days and we won't lose the rag too much yet but some of what I saw was a tad confusing. 3 straight up inside forwards on the one team at this time of year especially was strange to say the least and when Paul Geaney started spending oodles of time out near us at wing forward in second half or back in middle of the field, you really had to question what was going on? Jack made a big song and dance - correctly in fairness - about Paul being a full forward man, nothing else. So what were we looking at here? His 2 colleagues didn't have the best of days either. David had 2 good scores in the first half but in the second half to be quite frank he didn't have an effect. Maybe he has had a bit too much action lately and would benefit from reduced playing time a tad. He has a Sigerson quarter final on Wednesday night which is in Dublin. I don't want to see him starting and playing every minute of 3 games in 7 days at this stage of the year. Killian wasn't great and was beaten to the ball on a number of occasions. Dara Moynihan should have walked at half time ahead of Burns in my view. Burns was putting in a huge effort, just making errors on the ball. But he was trying hard. Dara was trotting around largely. Burns not be up to it ultimately but thought he was slightly hard done by here. Paudie got 2 points that showed exactly why he can be a top player for us and he had some good link play too. His distribution was poor on a few occasions though and he was coming far too deep in my own thinking also. 4 points in 50 mins is a poor showing really at any stage. So we clearly have work to do at that end of the pitch. Some of the issues come from the middle third obviously. We are short options in midfield at the moment. David Moran and Diarmuid would probably be the pairing you'd like to see right now, so either or both would be most welcome back. Adrian Spillane tried hard and had some good tackles and turnovers but he is just shy of being a starting player really. Seánie did have some good moments, one very classy score in first half notably, but he really needs to be pushed further up where he belongs. I'm longing to see himself and Paudie as a twin combo in the attacking third with David and Paul Geaney inside. Those 4 would be very hard to limit if they are on form but of course we need a 10/12. Is Stephen O'Brien able for one side? Maybe. We'll see. Our defence while not outstanding, wasn't bad. Will judge them more on further viewing but Dan O'Donoghue showed he merits further exposure. Kildare have a decent forward line and some good scorers, better than some Div 1 team in my view. I don't understand why Graham O'Sullivan doesn't get more game time as I would have thought he has potential to become exactly what we need. Maybe it is to come. Goalie - I'm not convinced by Murphy. Without seeing the stats, we lost a lot of kickouts due to poor trajectory and being put under pressure at least once by a poor short ball from him. He had no target man in midfield Sunday to be fair, so have to judge over a few games. Kevin Feely is a hell of a fielder and along with others he really put the squeeze on our kickout in the second half. But we didn't cover ourselves in glory in terms of options or getting on breaks either. Anyway, onwards to Dubs next Saturday. While you don't want wholesale changes, I would like to see the likes of Dylan Caey, Cian Gammell, Graham O'Sullivan, Diarmuid O'Connor, Greg Horan involved to some degree. I don't want to see David Clifford or Tony Brosnan starting as they will both have Sigerson midweek and will play 60+ mins. I would like to see Paul Geaney at 14 with Killian along side. Paudie Clifford named at 15 but wandering. Seánie at 11 where he belongs. Whatever combo that means in midfield, I'm fine with trying something but DOC should improve things I hope.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 31, 2022 23:51:06 GMT
Éamonn Fitzmaurice: New season, new manager but old issues still remain Kerry's achilles heel
"It is fine to make mistakes, but it is crucial to learn from them and most importantly not keep making the same ones" Éamonn Fitzmaurice: New season, new manager but old issues still remain Kerry's achilles heel
Éamonn Fitzmaurice First time round in 2004, Jack O Connor started off his league campaign 100km northwest of Newbridge in Longford, where a last-minute goal by the home side sent us packing.
It was similarly dank in a packed St Conleth’s Park yesterday, but Kerry just about held on for a draw and, on reflection, will be quite happy to have a point on the board.
They won’t panic, but they will be disappointed with the display, particularly as the form lines had been good in preseason. Jack is too experienced and wily to think that he could click his fingers and all of last year’s issues would disappear straight away. He knows it will take time. He will be disconcerted with the second-half display, but will appreciate that tests like these are what prepare a team for the championship.
Kerry started off last year’s league by hammering Galway in Tralee, and finished it by hosing Tyrone in Killarney.
It did them no favours when it came to the crunch in the All-Ireland semi-final.
Having to battle for a point in a packed Newbridge will stand them in much greater stead. In some ways though, it will feel like a point lost, having led for the vast majority of the game. A come-from-behind victory at some stage during the league would also be something Jack would like them to experience, to steel them for the big championship days. Kerry were decent and effective for large parts of the first half, without ever really catching fire. Adrian Spillane and Seán O Shea were on top in the middle of the field. Paudie Clifford was controlling the forwards, and they looked solid at the back. Tadhg Morley was playing as a sweeper in front of Jimmy Hyland and Daniel Flynn.
The combination of Paul Cribbin playing deep and Spillane’s huge work rate and covering allowed his club-mate to drop. This will be something they will continue to work on and finesse. It will be harder to do next weekend against a Dublin team that will play six up, and it will be interesting to see how Kerry cope with that setup.
Jack has always favoured that hard-working defensive midfielder to play as a foil to a creative one in the middle. William Kirby, Seamus Scanlon, and Tommy Griffin all performed that duty with aplomb during All-Ireland winning years.
Spillane is the man that is earmarked for that role at the moment. With the returning Na Gaeil players next weekend does the management stick or twist? One of many questions for them this week. Some forwards will certainly be under pressure to hold onto their starting jerseys.
The second-half performance was well off what is required at this level. Kerry only scored three points and totally went away from their kicking game. They allowed the home crowd to become a factor in the game, and the Kildare fans were only too happy to sock it on to their former boss.
They gave their team real energy in the final quarter. What will disappoint Kerry most though is the number of unforced turnovers in the second half. Again. They were guilty of this in the All-Ireland semi-final last year, and I am sure it is something they have spoken about and are working on in training. Their reaction to the turnovers wasn’t hectic either, leading to a lot of Kildare opportunities.
It is fine to make mistakes, but it is crucial to learn from them and most importantly not to keep making the same ones.
Surprisingly, considering most of the players have at least three games under their belts in the last few weeks, their skills were off, and many of them lacked that bit of sharpness.
There was an air of panic about their play in the closing stages as they struggled to keep the scoreboard ticking. They will be the better for this experience in the long run, but many of them will be disappointed with their performances this morning.
Glenn Ryan will be delighted with the way his side fought in the second half. There was a real spirit of defiance about them. But for their profligacy in front of goal, they could well have taken both points.
Ryan himself was a great kicker from centre-back when he played, and there were glimpses of him trying to get this into his charges. It was particularly effective in the final third, setting up scores for the excellent Hyland in the first half.
It was the more traditional running style that brought most reward in the final quarter as they ran at Kerry and won frees. Kevin Fehilly and Neil Flynn were introduced at half time and made a big difference, and none of the younger players looked out of place. They will expect more from Daniel Flynn in the coming games, but they are going to be awkward opposition for everyone they come across in the next while.
They are away to Donegal next weekend and will look to get points there also. In 2018, when they were last in Division 1, they came out on the wrong side of a few very tight matches. It appears that under Ryan they are determined to confine the hard-luck stories to the past.
Armagh were so impressive in Croke Park Saturday evening as they delivered a polished performance to see off Dublin.
While they won by five points, it could have been double that. There was much to enjoy about their display. They were excellent up front, scoring 2-12 of their total from play. While they were led by the outstanding Rian O’Neill, the likes of Rory Grugan, Jason Duffy, Tiernan Kelly, and Aidan Nugent played well also.
There was great cohesion and balance to their attack. They varied long diagonal deliveries with popped balls to the top of the ‘D’, and late on they ran the ball to create a few scores in the final quarter. Significantly they also have the likes of Stefan Campbell, Conor Turbitt, and Oisín O’Neill when he returns, meaning that they have nine or 10 frontline forwards.
In recent seasons it is at the other side of the field they have had issues against the best teams. They have clearly worked hard on their defensive structure over the winter.
They defend the middle channel in numbers and are disciplined and aggressive. They get bodies around the man in possession when he enters the danger zone.
They shut Dublin down on countless occasions, and they read the back-door cut very well. Credit to Kieran McKeever for this, but tougher tests lie ahead, as Dublin were surprisingly toothless.
I was also impressed with the variety of their kickout strategy. They want to go long as often as they can to get the ball from front to back as quickly as possible. Initially, they tried a long kickout to the side with 6ft 5in Ben Crealy, Jarlath Óg Burns and Tiernan Kelly working together.
Dublin had the height and the personnel to deal with it, and so they changed their approach.
Kickout number two was getting their middle eight players in tight in a spine up the middle of the pitch, leaving the wings open and breaking to the space at the right moment.
This worked for a while until Dublin — directed by Ciarán Kilkenny — reacted and put a zone in place that made it harder to break into those spaces. Armagh answered with kickout number three which was the long boomer to Rian O’Neill, enabling him to break the ball to onrushing runners. Greg McCabe’s late score came via this method.
Clearly, this is a well-coached team, making the right onfield decisions. There are a couple of things they can tidy up for next weekend, including their game management later in the game, but they clearly enjoyed their trip to headquarters and have the looks of a Croke Park team.
They will be tough opposition for anyone in the coming weeks and months. The key for them right now is to back up this performance at home to Tyrone next weekend.
Dublin, on the other hand, were flat. Again.
They won’t panic, and I certainly won’t be rushing to write them off, but they looked well off it. They have some significant players set to return however, most notably James McCarthy, Con O’Callaghan, Mick Fitzsimmons, and Jonny Cooper.
However, Dessie Farrell will be so disappointed with their body language and their fight, for each other and for him. I’m sure the winter dragged for them, and they will have been mad keen to get back playing matches and to begin to atone for last year’s disappointment.
They are making the same mistakes in possession that started to creep in last year. They are turning over the ball, are kicking the ball into the goalkeeper’s hands and are shooting wides that they would normally easily convert.
For me, their biggest issue is their forward structure and movement. They are reluctant to kick the ball, and have become completely risk-averse. Four years ago this possession game was effective, but the game has moved on again.
Pep Guardiola dominated soccer for a long time with his tika-taka model, but he had to modify that also. Inverted full-backs play in midfield, the false nine, and now full-backs getting in for goals have all helped to keep City at the top. If they didn’t realise it already, Dublin will know they need to innovate again.
With all that said, if I was in the Kerry camp this week, I would be extremely wary.
There will be a good bit of anger in the Dublin squad, and they will be anxious to react. A full house under lights in Tralee should get the blood up. If it doesn’t, then it really is time for them to be getting worried.
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Post by kyoverseas on Feb 1, 2022 3:35:21 GMT
Am I misquoted but didn’t JOC comment on how PG was wasted in the half forward line under PK?
I thought PG was finding great form inside in the previous games and then to have him back inside the Kildare half was baffling to me considering JOC’s comments. PG still has the class and quality in the FF line, he is a sharp shooter, always has been and has been asked to play roles that takes away his biggest attributes for Kerry. Himself, David Clifford and Killian are a fierce force. I get that defenders are trying to motor forward as much in the modern game but if the 3 stayed inside surely teams would be forced to keep 3 back at all times #justsaying.
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Post by thehermit on Feb 1, 2022 9:29:14 GMT
Well most of us might be over-reacting to an uninspiring performance in January in round 1 of the League - but if we're bad what's with the death notices being posted across the media about Dublin?? Can't see them not being serious contenders and probable All Ireland winners again given their resources. Next Saturday will tell us more I suppose.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 1, 2022 12:07:56 GMT
Well most of us might be over-reacting to an uninspiring performance in January in round 1 of the League - but if we're bad what's with the death notices being posted across the media about Dublin?? Can't see them not being serious contenders and probable All Ireland winners again given their resources. Next Saturday will tell us more I suppose. Any team with Fenton, Howard, Kilkenny and con o Callaghan are far from finished. All 4 would walk into any county side
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Post by dc84 on Feb 1, 2022 12:33:16 GMT
Well most of us might be over-reacting to an uninspiring performance in January in round 1 of the League - but if we're bad what's with the death notices being posted across the media about Dublin?? Can't see them not being serious contenders and probable All Ireland winners again given their resources. Next Saturday will tell us more I suppose. Any team with Fenton, Howard, Kilkenny and con o Callaghan are far from finished. All 4 would walk into any county side Dublin with the players they have to come back are still favourites with Tyrone for me. Con and paddy small back in forwards Cooper and Fitzsimons in the backs and mcarthy at mf or Wing back will strengthen them no end. They have dropped their levels massively though no one can dispute that and there is definitely an undercurrent of problems in the camp a lot of messing around last year mcmahon and mcmenamin saying they might be back mid season was crazy. Massive rumours up here about Fitzsimons in particular and also con that they may not be back the latter is rumoured to want to go hurling and the former is 33. If they don't have faith in farrell or believe that an all ireland is beyond then those choices might be easier. Having said All that anyone who thinks that they will be an easy touch at home for all their matches in the championship is wishfully thinking.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 1, 2022 12:42:26 GMT
Any team with Fenton, Howard, Kilkenny and con o Callaghan are far from finished. All 4 would walk into any county side Dublin with the players they have to come back are still favourites with Tyrone for me. Con and paddy small back in forwards Cooper and Fitzsimons in the backs and mcarthy at mf or Wing back will strengthen them no end. They have dropped their levels massively though no one can dispute that and there is definitely an undercurrent of problems in the camp a lot of messing around last year mcmahon and mcmenamin saying they might be back mid season was crazy. Massive rumours up here about Fitzsimons in particular and also con that they may not be back the latter is rumoured to want to go hurling and the former is 33. If they don't have faith in farrell or believe that an all ireland is beyond then those choices might be easier. Having said All that anyone who thinks that they will be an easy touch at home for all their matches in the championship is wishfully thinking. Is McCarthy actually injured. Dessie appointed his own club man as captain last year when James McCarthy from Ballymun was the obvious choice. That caused friction i believe. Of course Dublin can win it this year. They are still ahead of Kerry when they have all their players. Mayo arent good enough. Tyrone have never performed to their optimum when defending it...just like Tipp in hurling. Armagh and Donegal are unlikely to win it either.
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Post by taggert on Feb 1, 2022 13:26:33 GMT
McCarthy is the best of the lot. An absolute machine.
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Post by dc84 on Feb 1, 2022 13:46:16 GMT
Yeah the captaincy was weird last year by any metric you wouldve thought mcarthy wouldve been first choice especially with 5 lads nearly guaranteed to start. A lot of players on both sides with a point to prove next Saturday farrell is saying it will be more or less the same again selection wise. I wonder will they look at coffey/Byrne he has been good in sigerson and if we are as weak at mf again we would struggle against him and fenton
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 1, 2022 13:46:55 GMT
When Dublin were winning it wasn't the first 15 but the bench which we know to our own cost that got them over the line.
They don't have that anymore.
They have 5 players that would walk onto any team Kilkenny, Fenton, Con Howard and J Small.
There other stalwarts are in the 30s now, Fitzsimons is 33 I think 🤔
The best forward in the county walked away.
Certain players who couldn't get near the championship team for are now starters like Costello.
I wouldn't rate them as highly as most do on here.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 1, 2022 13:53:01 GMT
True.
But do other counties have lots of talent on the bench either.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 1, 2022 13:58:46 GMT
No don't think they do,
I think we have the most open championship since the 90s.
Ulster looks Savage competitive this year.
I'll put it this way,
Accepting we have have our own problems however if we make a AI Semi final and I was to choose an opponent I would chose Dublin over any Ulster side or Mayo.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 14:06:58 GMT
True. But do other counties have lots of talent on the bench either. I don't know about other counties benches but I know that ours made very little impact last week. I hate to say this but I'm really starting to doubt our footballers, they are incapable of playing a posesion game yet we continue down the road of trying to play that way. I think our lads winning the 5 in a row minor allirelands has made the players complacent (they just seem to just expect it to click) and I'm afraid its the same with us supporters. In saying that if we had Mark O'Connor I think we could 3/4 allirelands but unfortunately that's not to be.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 1, 2022 14:22:42 GMT
Maybe the rest of the decade will see 4 or 5 different teams winning it. I would be happy with that as long as Kerry are one of them.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 1, 2022 14:33:24 GMT
True. But do other counties have lots of talent on the bench either. I don't know about other counties benches but I know that ours made very little impact last week. I hate to say this but I'm really starting to doubt our footballers, they are incapable of playing a posesion game yet we continue down the road of trying to play that way. I think our lads winning the 5 in a row minor allirelands has made the players complacent (they just seem to just expect it to click) and I'm afraid its the same with us supporters. In saying that if we had Mark O'Connor I think we could 3/4 allirelands but unfortunately that's not to be. Midfield is the problem 100%. Solve this and we are half way there. I don't think it can be overstated how big a loss Mark Is
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 1, 2022 15:26:15 GMT
Mick as I am the only one who has the nerve to question Dublin I assume you are referring to me.
Time will tell but a little critical thinking about Dublin and their obvious issues which are evident since last years Leinster championship is not stupid.
With the exception of Con the lads to come back have serious miles on the clock and are in their 30s.
Sorry I have lots of friends involved in the club scene in Dublin and I'm not alone in thinking this way.
I don't prescribe to this narrative that Dublin are still the top team and have this aura about them.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 1, 2022 16:21:09 GMT
Mick,
For me McCarthy was Dublins most important player in the Gavin era.
He was a Rolls Royce player.
Time waits for no man though and eventually the legs aren't what they once were.
I'm reminded of Tomas O'Sè trying to chase Connolly in 2013 in the second half.
Do They still have that level of conditioning?
We are better set up to play a Dublin than a Tyrone.
2 other quick points, Have you ever seen Fenton play as badly as he did last Sat ?
From what I' told they don't want to play for Dessie.
I have no doubts that they raise their game against us as they don't like us .
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 1, 2022 16:26:31 GMT
KK won the hurling in 2014 and 2015 when in clear decline from their magnificent best.
They just knew the ropes and knew what needed to be done.
It often happens.
Maybe Kerrys win in 1986 is similar. Both Meath and Tyrone could have, should have....but didnt.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 1, 2022 16:30:45 GMT
That's true Mick provided there is nobody there to capitalise on the decline.
They'll make a semi final and anything can happen then.
Time will tell.
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Post by dc84 on Feb 2, 2022 13:50:53 GMT
KK won the hurling in 2014 and 2015 when in clear decline from their magnificent best. They just knew the ropes and knew what needed to be done. It often happens. Maybe Kerrys win in 1986 is similar. Both Meath and Tyrone could have, should have....but didnt. Kilkenny still had cody and kerry micko being the difference there..
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Post by taggert on Feb 2, 2022 15:17:06 GMT
These are my last comments on the Kildare game. After watching the full game again properly I just want to make a few points. One is this silly habit of some players constantly pushing opponent after a play is done. Adrian Foley and Savage main culprits. It's silly and does nt intimidate anyone and can turn refs off a team. Also in tackling. In fairness to Adrian he tackled well but Killian and Paul Geaney are very poor at tackling and David Clifford not much better either. On review I might have given Dan ó Donoghue too much credit. He was caught badly once or twice and was very lazy on one kickout in 2nd half and it could have been punished. The best point of the game was kicked by Tony Brosnan and Paul Murphy was nt bad at all. Ref was a bit hard on us but Tom Sullivan took about 8 steps for his point. That was a brilliant score in fairness amongst a phalanx of defenders. I hope Tony gets as much game time as Killian and Geaney throughout the league so a fair assessment of all three can be made.
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Post by pipsqueak01 on Feb 2, 2022 19:20:27 GMT
These are my last comments on the Kildare game. After watching the full game again properly I just want to make a few points. One is this silly habit of some players constantly pushing opponent after a play is done. Adrian Foley and Savage main culprits. It's silly and does nt intimidate anyone and can turn refs off a team. Also in tackling. In fairness to Adrian he tackled well but Killian and Paul Geaney are very poor at tackling and David Clifford not much better either. On review I might have given Dan ó Donoghue too much credit. He was caught badly once or twice and was very lazy on one kickout in 2nd half and it could have been punished. The best point of the game was kicked by Tony Brosnan and Paul Murphy was nt bad at all. Ref was a bit hard on us but Tom Sullivan took about 8 steps for his point. I thought Paul was probably our man of the match and feel he gets way too much negativity here. Exceptional footballing brain. I also don’t feel Dara Moynihan was poor and am certain he will become a good asset to Kerry going forward. My take on a championship team would be as follows. Places in the backs are up for grabs as we have a lot of guys of similar ability levels. I feel Moran is 100% a starter. Some people here espouse the opinion that he should be brought on with 20 to go. I think the opposite, he should be brought off with 20 to go! I think you can’t play Dara with Burns (both small and industrious). I think you can’t play Paudie with Jack Savage (2 quarter backs trying to pick locks). I would play a 2-2-2 in the forwards. It’s hard to judge where Graham, Dylan, Joe O Connor, Eanna O Connor et al are as we’ve seen so little of them at this level. It’s very boring but my present championship team would look like Ryan Begley, Foley, O’Sullivan Murphy, Breen, White Moran, Spillane O’Connor (same wing as Paul), Moynihan P. Clifford, O’Shea D. Clifford, Spillane/Geaney/Brosnan I feel with this set up you’ve 3 midfielders essentially, you’ve 2 industrious but scoring forwards in a second line and two snipers inside. No means set in stone and looking forward to more action but I’ve yet to be convinced we won’t end up with a very similar line up to last year…
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 2, 2022 19:44:51 GMT
Maybe the rest of the decade will see 4 or 5 different teams winning it. I would be happy with that as long as Kerry are one of them. Now I know we are after a storm on the 1st day of the League but seldom was it all so open. I don't like mentioning gambling but the odds are even more mystifying IMO - Tyrone at 9/1 while we shade Dubs as 6/4 favs - I wonder how many on here see that way? Only a few short months ago the 2 rank outsiders of the last 4 got to the final. I honestly would find it hard to see much between the top 4 and then the chasing pack are a lot closer than the Red Lamhs were even mid way in last years Championship and who are now the outsiders of the 'top 4', a term that surely delights said chasing pack. I almost feel like that gander of an American president who once said that 'sometimes he doesn't agree with his own opinions' - maybe there is hope us all after this? Player ratings on here have contradicted each other like never before and I have no reason to believe it could be much different elsewhere. My gut is telling me that it could be the year of 'all on the day' so the only dead cert is, well dead uncertainty, maybe 'dead heats', 'a handicappers dream come through' they call it horse racing. Quote of the day must surely go to pipsqueak - Some people on here think Moran should be brought on with 20 to go - I think he should be brought off with 20 to go! A pure classic, take a bow! BTW I can understand why he might be 'brought off' but I never say a laddo having to be brought onto the field - should we invest in stretchers? BTW Was Eanna playing with Lillies - was he in the car with daddy when he first looked at the milometer?
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Post by taggert on Feb 2, 2022 21:42:53 GMT
These are my last comments on the Kildare game. After watching the full game again properly I just want to make a few points. One is this silly habit of some players constantly pushing opponent after a play is done. Adrian Foley and Savage main culprits. It's silly and does nt intimidate anyone and can turn refs off a team. Also in tackling. In fairness to Adrian he tackled well but Killian and Paul Geaney are very poor at tackling and David Clifford not much better either. On review I might have given Dan ó Donoghue too much credit. He was caught badly once or twice and was very lazy on one kickout in 2nd half and it could have been punished. The best point of the game was kicked by Tony Brosnan and Paul Murphy was nt bad at all. Ref was a bit hard on us but Tom Sullivan took about 8 steps for his point. I thought Paul was probably our man of the match and feel he gets way too much negativity here. Exceptional footballing brain. I also don’t feel Dara Moynihan was poor and am certain he will become a good asset to Kerry going forward. My take on a championship team would be as follows. Places in the backs are up for grabs as we have a lot of guys of similar ability levels. I feel Moran is 100% a starter. Some people here espouse the opinion that he should be brought on with 20 to go. I think the opposite, he should be brought off with 20 to go! I think you can’t play Dara with Burns (both small and industrious). I think you can’t play Paudie with Jack Savage (2 quarter backs trying to pick locks). I would play a 2-2-2 in the forwards. It’s hard to judge where Graham, Dylan, Joe O Connor, Eanna O Connor et al are as we’ve seen so little of them at this level. It’s very boring but my present championship team would look like Ryan Begley, Foley, O’Sullivan Murphy, Breen, White Moran, Spillane O’Connor (same wing as Paul), Moynihan P. Clifford, O’Shea D. Clifford, Spillane/Geaney/Brosnan I feel with this set up you’ve 3 midfielders essentially, you’ve 2 industrious but scoring forwards in a second line and two snipers inside. No means set in stone and looking forward to more action but I’ve yet to be convinced we won’t end up with a very similar line up to last year… Is that not the back line that Tyrone rinsed last year? And is Begley a corner man - took the beating of all beatings v Dublin in the league. Think its him or Murphy or Crowley or Breen for that wing back slot. Its far too lightweight. Casey has to be tried in the League as in the recent club and county c'ship, he was the best man marker on show. Bar none.
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