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Post by markisback on Sept 3, 2021 9:22:36 GMT
Good piece by Ciaran Whelan. On the thirds goal....I heard Colm Parkinson asking what was JB thinking by kicking the high ball that led to the third goal. It was Tiernsn McCann that kicked it back as far as i know. Ciaran Whelan is wrong on this point too in my opinion. Most people seem to think it was Jack who connected with the ball. Why do you think it was Tiernan McCann? You may be right of course. I haven’t had a chance to watch it back yet. My impression at the time was that Jack Barry kicked the ball but I could well be wrong about that. I think whichever of them kicked it there was a certain amount of luck involved. Even if it was McCann who kicked it, it was an uncontrolled kick which was just aimed at keeping the ball in play. It isn’t like he picked McKenna out with the pass. I thought McKenna took the opportunity well though.
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Post by markisback on Sept 3, 2021 9:26:02 GMT
Good piece by Ciaran Whelan. On the thirds goal....I heard Colm Parkinson asking what was JB thinking by kicking the high ball that led to the third goal. It was Tiernsn McCann that kicked it back as far as i know. Ciaran Whelan is wrong on this point too in my opinion. Most people seem to think it was Jack who connected with the ball. Why do you think it was Tiernan McCann? You may be right of course. I haven’t had a chance to watch it back yet. My impression at the time was that Jack Barry kicked the ball but I could well be wrong about that. I think whichever of them kicked it there was a certain amount of luck involved. Even if it was McCann who kicked it, it was an uncontrolled kick which was just aimed at keeping the ball in play. It isn’t like he picked McKenna out with the pass. I thought McKenna took the opportunity well though.
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Post by dffan on Sept 3, 2021 10:03:49 GMT
Tough few days and very disappointing. Unfortunately the game panned out exactly as Tyrone hoped, we were naiive (esp watching it in the upper Hogan after 15mins just was hard to understand why we persisted with the same pattern and didn't change anything, despite the chance to do so at the water break), so much wasted possession needlessly purusing goals when points on offer, wides would have been better than a turnover as we all know, and they grew in confidence. Still it was good to see the come back in extra time and just we ran out of time and fit crucial players. We must suck it up, take what positives we can, it's a good experience for many of the players, they should learn from it, and I believe players have improved since last year, and we move on to next year. Its not a step back, just a frustrating missed opportunity. All the players are worth their place on the team and on the panel at any given time and I wouldn't criticise any players who must sacrifice so much of their time and life for the jersey and who clearly are distraught at the loss. I do feel, like many have already said, we are missing a few more different types of players in our panel as options, no team can ever say it is the finished article and its clear we are lacking 2 or 3 players that would improve the panel and likely the team if available. Time may be needed on some good club players to see if they can take on the County standard who may have the size and attitude for a dogfight game when it arrives, but may not have the skill set of some of our very talented players, but are players needed to win AIs all the same. We are not far off winning it. The question of mgt and the gameplan or the ability for on the line decision making is another discussion of course and nearly everyone in Kerry is calling for a change. Mgt I am sure will learn as well but a call for change is understandable after the Cork game last year and the fairly predictable manner of how Tyrone approached this game and yet we still made so many wrong choices in our approach. Hopefully the right calls are made over the coming months, a few new players are given opportunities and some more work is done on coaching to maximise what is clealry a talented bunch of footballers with some stars up front other counties could only dream of. AIs there to be won if we can get it right, and important we do as the stars with the right spine of players behind them would be a very difficult team to defeat over the next 5 or 6 years, or we could end up making more mistakes and wasting those players in their best years.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2021 10:26:21 GMT
Most people seem to think it was Jack who connected with the ball. Why do you think it was Tiernan McCann? You may be right of course. I haven’t had a chance to watch it back yet. My impression at the time was that Jack Barry kicked the ball but I could well be wrong about that. I think whichever of them kicked it there was a certain amount of luck involved. Even if it was McCann who kicked it, it was an uncontrolled kick which was just aimed at keeping the ball in play. It isn’t like he picked McKenna out with the pass. I thought McKenna took the opportunity well though. Oh God....just a close look from a different angle...looks like was JBs foot alright... very hard on the poor lad....i really feel for him
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Post by markisback on Sept 3, 2021 10:44:07 GMT
I haven’t had a chance to watch it back yet. My impression at the time was that Jack Barry kicked the ball but I could well be wrong about that. I think whichever of them kicked it there was a certain amount of luck involved. Even if it was McCann who kicked it, it was an uncontrolled kick which was just aimed at keeping the ball in play. It isn’t like he picked McKenna out with the pass. I thought McKenna took the opportunity well though. Oh God....just a close look from a different angle...looks like was JBs foot alright... very hard on the poor lad....i really feel for him Really unlucky for him. He was under a lot of pressure on the end line and it was one of those kicks that could have gone anywhere. Just unfortunate for him that it went to McKenna. That was the incident on which the game turned. Maybe shows that some of the wilder calls for major changes to the Kerry team or changes of management are a bit unfair. It was a close match and maybe was decided by a bounce of the ball.
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Post by dc84 on Sept 3, 2021 11:46:11 GMT
Oh God....just a close look from a different angle...looks like was JBs foot alright... very hard on the poor lad....i really feel for him Really unlucky for him. He was under a lot of pressure on the end line and it was one of those kicks that could have gone anywhere. Just unfortunate for him that it went to McKenna. That was the incident on which the game turned. Maybe shows that some of the wilder calls for major changes to the Kerry team or changes of management are a bit unfair. It was a close match and maybe was decided by a bounce of the ball. It doesn't change anything imo the big gripe we have is the recurring errors in gameplan ( if we had a discernible one last Sat) selection of centre back and worst of all absolutely playing into what Tyrone wanted and when we were struggling with that we kept doing the same things running isolated straight into the blanket! It's the same thing over and over, we played two matches this year dublin in league and last Saturday and scored 1 goal conceding 7 , 7 goals in two matches !!!
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Post by kerry97 on Sept 3, 2021 14:33:07 GMT
Lots of analysis above on the key incidents in the match so I won't dwell on them as I think they've been done to death on this thread.
On the match itself , it was a very disappointing outcome . Losing always hurts and its particularly painful when the margin between euphoria and misery was so fine . I think the players and the management deserve an enormous amount of credit and praise for the effort and entertainment they provided this year. As for Tyrone , congratulations to them on the win and turning in a fantastic performance in such trying circumstances .
With regard to going forward to next year , I wouldn't be as despondent as some on this thread . I would echo the sentiment above that we have good squad of players. In the attack I think we are short another scoring forward , I really think you need four of your forwards to consistently score on the big days in order to win big games . Like the match against Cork last November our forwards didn't quite get it done.
At the back , I think full back remains a conundrum and we haven't looked comfortable their since Tommy Griffin stopped playing in my opinion . Some people think Jason Foley is the solution , I'm not so sure , I think JF is more suited to the corner . Personally I'd play Tadgh Morley their , I think he has pace , football and he can be physical. I think we need to pick someone and back them, at the moment all of our solutions seem to be stop gaps. On adding to the panel, I note a number of posters have highlighted the pros and cons of the development squad system , whereby we have developed a fantastic squad of skilful players but we are lacking a couple of tight backs who may not win many style points . I would agree with this but I'm sure management have been on the lookout for such players and if they do exist they should be brought in.
Following on with regard for less stylish looking defenders , I would be cautious here as its worth pointing out that football itself has changed , some of your best long range shooters probably have to be your half backs these days.
Finally on the management team they gave it their all and came up short by the finest of margins , while a critique of some selection choices is warranted , the creation of new thread on the "next manager" immediately after the match was crass in my opinion.
Many posters here have spoken of tactical innovation and the lack of it from Kerry management in recent years , I would agree that their has been little and most of our tactics are reactionary. I would argue that most of the so called tactical innovations have been negative from an entertainment perspective, zonal defensives, 13 men behind ball , counter attacking , possession football with all of this diagonal off the shoulder running against somewhat static/drifting/zonal basketball defences .
To ask a question of the forum , how would everybody else set up the team to win?
Their are a lot of demands for fast football but if you don't get a short quick kick out away you are going to end up playing 30%/70% ball into forwards moving away from goal in what is a blanket defence, probably a bad idea and sure fire way to lose a big game , but it may be entertaining .
Then if you go with all the short passing , diagonal off the shoulder runs , probing, recycling and resetting ( aka the lingua franca of todays coaches ) you end committing enormous numbers forward and will most likely have two if not three halfbacks out of position if somebody is turned over or if a shot drops short . Then you leave your fullback line exposed . The negative side of it is that it makes for turgid viewing.
In terms of tactical innovation it is likely to be some variation of this diagonal running and probing game . Maybe the solution or the innovation is to reposition our best ball winners closer to goal as these players shoot far less than they used too , Maybe your inside forwards need to be Moran et.al and your middle eight needs to have your shooters coming off the shoulder looking for the short passes to take the quick shots . It might mean committing more men to attack and defending in a very narrow fashion. Maybe we need to reimagine how the game is played , everybody seems set on the concept of an interchangeable middle 8 with 3 out and out defenders and 3 out and out attackers , maybe challenging this narrative might yield some innovation , perhaps going 5-5-5 might provide more of a scoring threat and a challenge to the kick out press , it might leave us less exposed during a counter attack.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 3, 2021 16:59:45 GMT
That might be your mantra, but the second part of it is not true and I don’t think it is the mantra of the vast majority of the Kerry fans whose more considered comments I have been reading on here for the last week. There is no doubt that Kerry’s preparations were disrupted by the postponement of the game, although they weren’t as disrupted as Tyrone’s were, since Tyrone weren’t able to have proper sessions til the last week before the game. My impression is that Kerry maybe had one eye on the final and on the day the Tyrone players just looked a bit more focused and maybe wanted it that bit more. Sometimes in a big match that is the only difference between the teams on the day. Kerry still came very close and if Kerry had come out on the right side of a one point result we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. By the way, I agree with the first part of your mantra, Kerry did facilitate Tyrone and deserve great credit for the sportsmanship. Just a pity that a small number of their fans feel the need to denigrate a whole county as well. I might have expected this sort of nonsense from Spillane, O’Rourke and Brolly in their heyday, but it’s disappointing to hear it from real football fans. Bally does not speak for anyone but himself as I live in kerry and have had the misfortune to be digesting this lass all week with every person half interested in gaa. Not one has been so ignorant as to say what bally says. People have asked "what was all that about" or "there's something up there" but the conclusion is kerry lost because they didn't take their chances, bounce of the ball etc etc..... Spillane was an embarrassment sat, bally maybe you should read some of the nonsense you put down in type. The ambush shenanigans of Tyrone including the management of the media is deplorable and now you suggest the majority of Kerry GAA people are so stupid that we don't realise we have been fooled. Granted we have a few gullible mugs among us and that will always be the case, and we even have a clown who has conducted a survey and of those interviewed are fools - give the 'where, when and who' to someone selling round squares, glass hammers and sky hooks. Fools always say they have everyone behind 'em but the only ones who believe 'em is themselves. And BTW I have never forced anyone to read my comments and any fool would know that but we are not dealing with just any fools here - you ought to be ashamed of yourselves for adding insult to injury to our players and their families for all they have given us. Anyone who believes that a team of Covid sufferers can turn around and play 100 mins of the highest intensity of football within 2 weeks needs their heads examined and as well as anyone who would even try it and any medic will testify to that. What is even more amazing is that they told us in advance that they would be able to perform at that level. I also note Veteran supports you, the same fella who says Covid is a scam. Covid is a deadly infection and there is a recovery period for return to normal routine, what it is to elite sports performance is many months and one would risk setbacks by pushing it - ask anyone who suffered and they will tell you that it is not somethiong you mess about with, it is a nasty hoor of a thing, very.
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Post by markisback on Sept 3, 2021 19:09:42 GMT
Bally does not speak for anyone but himself as I live in kerry and have had the misfortune to be digesting this lass all week with every person half interested in gaa. Not one has been so ignorant as to say what bally says. People have asked "what was all that about" or "there's something up there" but the conclusion is kerry lost because they didn't take their chances, bounce of the ball etc etc..... Spillane was an embarrassment sat, bally maybe you should read some of the nonsense you put down in type. The ambush shenanigans of Tyrone including the management of the media is deplorable and now you suggest the majority of Kerry GAA people are so stupid that we don't realise we have been fooled. Granted we have a few gullible mugs among us and that will always be the case, and we even have a clown who has conducted a survey and of those interviewed are fools - give the 'where, when and who' to someone selling round squares, glass hammers and sky hooks. Fools always say they have everyone behind 'em but the only ones who believe 'em is themselves. And BTW I have never forced anyone to read my comments and any fool would know that but we are not dealing with just any fools here - you ought to be ashamed of yourselves for adding insult to injury to our players and their families for all they have given us. Anyone who believes that a team of Covid sufferers can turn around and play 100 mins of the highest intensity of football within 2 weeks needs their heads examined and as well as anyone who would even try it and any medic will testify to that. What is even more amazing is that they told us in advance that they would be able to perform at that level. I also note Veteran supports you, the same fella who says Covid is a scam. Covid is a deadly infection and there is a recovery period for return to normal routine, what it is to elite sports performance is many months and one would risk setbacks by pushing it - ask anyone who suffered and they will tell you that it is not somethiong you mess about with, it is a nasty hoor of a thing, very. I’m certainly not an Ant-Vaxer or a Covid denier. I know very well that it is a nasty disease for some people and for many people even a potentially fatal one.However a lot of people who get it don’t experience any symptoms whatsoever. I would repeat that what was said was there were around 20 positive tests. Apart from one player who was hospitalised, I don’t think anyone was saying that players were at deaths door by any means. You seem to believe that Tyrone said the whole panel was in their sick beds. Nothing of the sort was ever said. However there were positive tests and that number of positive tests of itself would have prevented Tyrone from fielding a week earlier. I’m sorry you seem to hate Tyrone, but I don’t think there’s anything I can say will change your view. I’m still grateful to Kerry for their sportsmanship in agreeing to re-fix the date.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 3, 2021 20:12:09 GMT
The ambush shenanigans of Tyrone including the management of the media is deplorable and now you suggest the majority of Kerry GAA people are so stupid that we don't realise we have been fooled. Granted we have a few gullible mugs among us and that will always be the case, and we even have a clown who has conducted a survey and of those interviewed are fools - give the 'where, when and who' to someone selling round squares, glass hammers and sky hooks. Fools always say they have everyone behind 'em but the only ones who believe 'em is themselves. And BTW I have never forced anyone to read my comments and any fool would know that but we are not dealing with just any fools here - you ought to be ashamed of yourselves for adding insult to injury to our players and their families for all they have given us. Anyone who believes that a team of Covid sufferers can turn around and play 100 mins of the highest intensity of football within 2 weeks needs their heads examined and as well as anyone who would even try it and any medic will testify to that. What is even more amazing is that they told us in advance that they would be able to perform at that level. I also note Veteran supports you, the same fella who says Covid is a scam. Covid is a deadly infection and there is a recovery period for return to normal routine, what it is to elite sports performance is many months and one would risk setbacks by pushing it - ask anyone who suffered and they will tell you that it is not somethiong you mess about with, it is a nasty hoor of a thing, very. I’m certainly not an Ant-Vaxer or a Covid denier. I know very well that it is a nasty disease for some people and for many people even a potentially fatal one.However a lot of people who get it don’t experience any symptoms whatsoever. I would repeat that what was said was there were around 20 positive tests. Apart from one player who was hospitalised, I don’t think anyone was saying that players were at deaths door by any means. You seem to believe that Tyrone said the whole panel was in their sick beds. Nothing of the sort was ever said. However there were positive tests and that number of positive tests of itself would have prevented Tyrone from fielding a week earlier. I’m sorry you seem to hate Tyrone, but I don’t think there’s anything I can say will change your view. I’m still grateful to Kerry for their sportsmanship in agreeing to re-fix the date. I'm sorry you are so ignorant that are now down to accusing me of hating Tyrone when in fact and I am on record here as conveying the positive culture I experience on my every visit to Healy Park and which is just a run and a jump down the road from me. The word was that Covid was rife in the camp and which it wasn't - I don't believe a single player was recovering from Covid and I include Niall Morgan in that and whose 70 yard placed-kick point must be a record. You also deny things I neither said nor implied - all characteristic of someone who has an agenda but no evidence. The facts are laid bare for everyone and they will make up their own minds, just like the entire TSGs panel, well apart from wan Sean Cavanagh who went mental when the truth was put to him - even wee Brolly wouldn't have behaved like that if he was caught out.
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Post by otobeawinner on Sept 3, 2021 20:14:27 GMT
The ambush shenanigans of Tyrone including the management of the media is deplorable and now you suggest the majority of Kerry GAA people are so stupid that we don't realise we have been fooled. Granted we have a few gullible mugs among us and that will always be the case, and we even have a clown who has conducted a survey and of those interviewed are fools - give the 'where, when and who' to someone selling round squares, glass hammers and sky hooks. Fools always say they have everyone behind 'em but the only ones who believe 'em is themselves. And BTW I have never forced anyone to read my comments and any fool would know that but we are not dealing with just any fools here - you ought to be ashamed of yourselves for adding insult to injury to our players and their families for all they have given us. Anyone who believes that a team of Covid sufferers can turn around and play 100 mins of the highest intensity of football within 2 weeks needs their heads examined and as well as anyone who would even try it and any medic will testify to that. What is even more amazing is that they told us in advance that they would be able to perform at that level. I also note Veteran supports you, the same fella who says Covid is a scam. Covid is a deadly infection and there is a recovery period for return to normal routine, what it is to elite sports performance is many months and one would risk setbacks by pushing it - ask anyone who suffered and they will tell you that it is not somethiong you mess about with, it is a nasty hoor of a thing, very. I’m certainly not an Ant-Vaxer or a Covid denier. I know very well that it is a nasty disease for some people and for many people even a potentially fatal one.However a lot of people who get it don’t experience any symptoms whatsoever. I would repeat that what was said was there were around 20 positive tests. Apart from one player who was hospitalised, I don’t think anyone was saying that players were at deaths door by any means. You seem to believe that Tyrone said the whole panel was in their sick beds. Nothing of the sort was ever said. However there were positive tests and that number of positive tests of itself would have prevented Tyrone from fielding a week earlier. I’m sorry you seem to hate Tyrone, but I don’t think there’s anything I can say will change your view. I’m still grateful to Kerry for their sportsmanship in agreeing to re-fix the date. Bally you are so contradictory in what you say. You say we are all wrong and you are right. You talk about research. I never said I did research, no more than you did. One has to choose whether to trust a decision or not and we are clearly on opposite sides. You say everyone in kerry is not as gullible as people I know but you don't live here have no clue about what's goes on here post 1980 I'd say. Tell me how are ballydonoghue underage going at the moment for starters. It's the same old tripe, t Kennedy basing, hero worship donie B, and try to win a debate by ignoring the points made. the number of times you insulted anyone who does not blame Tyrone for losing by calling them fools shows you up big time. FYI: I like you have lived through the past 18months. Covid is real and can be fatal however many people get it and have no symptoms whatsoever especially young fit people. They find out because they are a close contact of someone else ect....anyway I dont really care what Tyrone did or didn't do. Kerry lost because they didn't win. Do you u understand? there are many valid ideas put fwd on this forum and all worth talking about however not without looking inward first. Be safe and take care.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Sept 3, 2021 20:30:52 GMT
Lads the bickering is tiring.
Let it be now.
We need to get our own house in order.
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Post by dc84 on Sept 3, 2021 20:36:42 GMT
Lots of analysis above on the key incidents in the match so I won't dwell on them as I think they've been done to death on this thread. On the match itself , it was a very disappointing outcome . Losing always hurts and its particularly painful when the margin between euphoria and misery was so fine . I think the players and the management deserve an enormous amount of credit and praise for the effort and entertainment they provided this year. As for Tyrone , congratulations to them on the win and turning in a fantastic performance in such trying circumstances . With regard to going forward to next year , I wouldn't be as despondent as some on this thread . I would echo the sentiment above that we have good squad of players. In the attack I think we are short another scoring forward , I really think you need four of your forwards to consistently score on the big days in order to win big games . Like the match against Cork last November our forwards didn't quite get it done. At the back , I think full back remains a conundrum and we haven't looked comfortable their since Tommy Griffin stopped playing in my opinion . Some people think Jason Foley is the solution , I'm not so sure , I think JF is more suited to the corner . Personally I'd play Tadgh Morley their , I think he has pace , football and he can be physical. I think we need to pick someone and back them, at the moment all of our solutions seem to be stop gaps. On adding to the panel, I note a number of posters have highlighted the pros and cons of the development squad system , whereby we have developed a fantastic squad of skilful players but we are lacking a couple of tight backs who may not win many style points . I would agree with this but I'm sure management have been on the lookout for such players and if they do exist they should be brought in. Following on with regard for less stylish looking defenders , I would be cautious here as its worth pointing out that football itself has changed , some of your best long range shooters probably have to be your half backs these days. Finally on the management team they gave it their all and came up short by the finest of margins , while a critique of some selection choices is warranted , the creation of new thread on the "next manager" immediately after the match was crass in my opinion. Many posters here have spoken of tactical innovation and the lack of it from Kerry management in recent years , I would agree that their has been little and most of our tactics are reactionary. I would argue that most of the so called tactical innovations have been negative from an entertainment perspective, zonal defensives, 13 men behind ball , counter attacking , possession football with all of this diagonal off the shoulder running against somewhat static/drifting/zonal basketball defences . To ask a question of the forum , how would everybody else set up the team to win? Their are a lot of demands for fast football but if you don't get a short quick kick out away you are going to end up playing 30%/70% ball into forwards moving away from goal in what is a blanket defence, probably a bad idea and sure fire way to lose a big game , but it may be entertaining . Then if you go with all the short passing , diagonal off the shoulder runs , probing, recycling and resetting ( aka the lingua franca of todays coaches ) you end committing enormous numbers forward and will most likely have two if not three halfbacks out of position if somebody is turned over or if a shot drops short . Then you leave your fullback line exposed . The negative side of it is that it makes for turgid viewing. In terms of tactical innovation it is likely to be some variation of this diagonal running and probing game . Maybe the solution or the innovation is to reposition our best ball winners closer to goal as these players shoot far less than they used too , Maybe your inside forwards need to be Moran et.al and your middle eight needs to have your shooters coming off the shoulder looking for the short passes to take the quick shots . It might mean committing more men to attack and defending in a very narrow fashion. Maybe we need to reimagine how the game is played , everybody seems set on the concept of an interchangeable middle 8 with 3 out and out defenders and 3 out and out attackers , maybe challenging this narrative might yield some innovation , perhaps going 5-5-5 might provide more of a scoring threat and a challenge to the kick out press , it might leave us less exposed during a counter attack. Good post firstly I think it cant be one style of play its whatever is on. Play our natural game when we can other times we will have to be patient, when we are being patient we need width with pace players on the sideline ready to burst inside if needed also Clifford needs to c9me out as he is our best long ranger ( as well as everything else). If we are doing a counter then 3 or 4 need to go basically the whole half backline and one of beaglaoich or Tom sull. Midfielders and a half forward need to be alive to cover them when they do. Also if you bring on tommy walsh USE him , white had two chances the last day where he couldve sent in two high ones tommy had pulled off his man and was loitering. The one we did send it was like a cross in soccer and thete were 5 Tyrone men back. That's my 2 cents anyway we need variation we were too predictable Saturday.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 4, 2021 9:45:36 GMT
Jim McGuinness
In Kerry the expectations are heightened. Most other football counties would consider what Peter Keane has delivered in three seasons - two Munster titles, two national leagues, an All-Ireland final draw and replay - to be a bounty. But all of that has been washed away with their defeat last Saturday to Tyrone.
The sight of Tyrone in victory must have evoked bitter memories from the last decade in Kerry and it has led to a mood of deep introspection and, because the Kerry football culture is so demanding, to public calls for a change in management. It’s a precarious life, managing the Kingdom! But as the dust settles, one question continues to engage Kerry minds: what happened?
So, what did happen?
The simple narrative of the game is that Kerry once again met a mass Tyrone defence and didn’t know how to cope with it. That isn’t fully true.
Go back to the start. Kerry were brimming with certainty. Twenty five seconds in David Clifford attacked Ronan McNamee and took him on and struck a powerful score. His movement is exceptional: for his next score he cuts in laterally and back outside and collects a mark on his chest which resulted in Kerry going two up. It was the perfect opening and designed to sow immediate doubts in the Tyrone minds: oh, everything we heard about these guys is true. If Tyrone were less bullish, they might have remembered the humiliation visited on them in the league in Killarney a few months back.
Also, Kerry came with a plan that enabled them to have their way with the kick-outs. On Tyrone’s kick-out, Kerry straddled five men in the central plank on Tyrone’s 45 metre line. Tyrone had five players there also. But along Tyrone’s defensive 65, Kerry had another four players lined up - marking nobody.
You had Tyrone players beyond that line as targets for Niall Morgan. But then you had a further six Kerry players - including the goalkeeper and fullback - lined up. So as the ball travelled, you had David Moran attacking it and the four Kerry players on the defensive 65 pivoting so that Kerry outnumbered Tyrone on the break every time. And it absolutely worked a treat. Tyrone were destroyed on their kick-out. On the other side of the coin, Kerry went short and initiated sharp transitional moments. So Tyrone were very much in trouble on the kick-out all afternoon.
And it was for that reason that Niall Morgan became such a central figure in the action. I think this game, above all, illuminated both his strengths and weaknesses and his central role in the Tyrone dynamic.
So you have this dynamic with him in which the sublime mixes with the ridiculous. The first score Tyrone got was from a 45 kicked by Niall in the sixth minute. He plays a sweeper role and, also, his playmaking as the plus-one is a big part of Tyrone’s build-up. On short kick-outs they have a triangle system going on the restart so that their corner-backs are never isolated in possession. His capacity to kick over the press is impressive also. And then he delivered that mammoth score just before half-time.
But there is another side to Niall based on decision making. He tried a pass with the outside of the boot and mi* it to David Moran: that resulted in a point for Clifford. From the subsequent kick-out he thumped it down the middle and it was lost again. And immediately after that he tried another with the outside of his boot which Paul Murphy intercepted. That ended with Niall Sludden’s black card tackle. In the 45th minute he lost another kick-out. In the 65th minute he was out around the middle and sliced a kick over the sideline. From that possession, Kerry got a goal chance which Tom O’Sullivan put over the bar.
So you have this dynamic with him in which the sublime mixes with the ridiculous. He can be brilliant. When he falls into a rhythm, he can be inspirational and hard to stop. But when that cracks he does things which can drag the psychology of the team down. We were always aware of his potency during my time with Donegal. But you have this thing in your mind where he can be got at. Pressure - and the high press - is the key in pushing him into a place where he will try things and perhaps gamble. Mayo are good at forcing teams and players into those kinds of areas.
But back to the game - and Tyrone’s mid-block press. You had a situation 9.30 seconds in. Kerry have the ball in the midfield area. Fourteen seconds later and their task was made even more difficult as Tyrone brought attackers back and pushed defenders forward to condense the area even more. So you have to visualise almost the entire Tyrone team - apart from the three fullbacks and goalkeeper - packed between Tyrone’s defensive 45 and their offensive 65. (30 metres by the width of the pitch).
The battle That is where Tyrone took the battle to Kerry: a block of defenders compressed into that area. They were man to man from their own 45 to that offensive 65 and they had 12 bodies in there. Inside, Tyrone left their fullbacks in a straight three v three battle against Clifford, Paul Geaney and a rotating third. So they confronted Kerry with this mid block press. They were all man to man but it was so compressed and messy that it operated like a zone as well.
I looked at the clock and it took 40 seconds and several passes before Gavin White could cross the Tyrone defensive 45 with the ball. And within eight seconds of Gavin crossing that line, Tyrone had eight players falling back to the central plank and protecting their D. So they immediately had a defensive wall of 11 players and succeeded in turning the ball over. This would happen again and again all afternoon.
This was battle ground number two for Tyrone. They defended that D with everything they had. As a defensive strategy, the mid-block was a similar challenge to what Mayo brought against Donegal in the All-Ireland final of 2012. Interestingly, I think we could see the same in this upcoming final - from both teams.
So I don’t think it is true to say that Tyrone brought a very defensive game plan here. In many respects they brought the same game plan as Kerry. The difference was that whenever Kerry broached the Tyrone mid-block press, they flooded back in numbers and with intent to defend their D. Kerry did not.
I could see the Kerry fellas working it out as they went - moving the ball, looking for pockets of space to inject pace to get through this mid-block. But I don’t believe they had a strategy in their heads to fully exploit it. They didn’t quite know what they were looking for. Beating a press of that nature is a game of patience. It becomes about moving the ball at pace and not taking the ball into contact and critically involves swinging the ball from one wing to the other - and back if necessary. The space lies beyond the press so why try and why try and play through it?
The more often you shift that block from side to side, the more opportunities open up to play a pass over that block to your danger men. And the beauty is that if you hit them with the right ball - the dink ball, the diagonal ball - there will be space for them to exploit.
Another option is to pull two forwards to one side and isolate the one you think is best and go long to him. But Kerry were persistently and stubbornly engaged with the idea of trying to work the ball through that packed Tyrone block. And the result was far too many turnovers for Tyrone, which led to those transitional moments - and the fact that four Tyrone defenders were able to get up the field to kick points in the first-half.
Physicality I have spoken here about the lack of physicality in the championship over the summer. Tyrone fairly bucked that trend. They were hard, physical and made many well timed committed tackles. It was one of the best features of the game.
The foundation for all of that legitimate aggression and hunger was laid in the very first minute when Frank Burns shouldered Dara Moynihan out over the sideline. Two minutes later, he put a big hit on Jack Barry. There was a statement of intent there. The hits generated the turnovers, which fed into their running game.
I am still trying to get my head around what Kerry were thinking about. It was vital that Kerry stopped that running game. I felt they weren’t aggressive enough in this regard. Tyrone were breaking tackles all the time. I didn’t think Kerry had the stomach to stop players in their tracks or, failing that, to track them. Did they put their heart and soul into defending the D?
Their decision making and tactic, almost, of taking the ball into contact, was incredible to me. They kept losing the ball at the top of the D because Tyrone were defending it with their lives. But Kerry played into their hands by coming back for more, time after time. I’d say those Tyrone defenders couldn’t believe their luck.
I am still trying to get my head around what Kerry were thinking about. I went into detail here last week about a warm-up drill Kerry execute, a kind of quick-passing over play. I just feel they became wedded to that and kept trying to force it against Tyrone. They would have been better off admitting that it wasn’t working and to play with width and depth and patience. They should have made Tyrone work much harder to even get close to them.
And I know the athletic profile of Kerry has changed a lot. Is it possible they have gone too much to a running game? Are there too many runners and not enough shooters now - and as a consequence not enough ball being kicked inside? In any event, it meant there was too much pressure on O’Shea and Clifford to keep the scoreboard ticking. The style and philosophy and tactics they employed did not serve them. And they ended up looking like novices: as though they didn’t know how to break down these kinds of defences.
Also, they didn’t look as conditioned as Tyrone, which was ironic given all the pre-match speculation about the covid incident in the Ulster camp. And they had chances! They were a point and a man up 60 minutes in and didn’t get it done then. After that, I felt they weren’t going to do it in extra-time either.
And for all of that, Clifford was immense. Tom O’Sullivan took Darren McCurry out of the game, Gavin White was electrifying in possession. They were without their talisman for extra-time. And they still only lost by a point! There will be a lot of regret down there this week.
Are Tyrone a different team than they were at the start of the championship? When you win the Ulster title you become a different team anyhow. You see yourself differently. But gifts offered up by Kerry will not be on the table when they face Mayo. They cannot roll up to Croke Park on Saturday week and expect a similar story.
It’s a wholly unexpected All-Ireland final and completely intriguing.
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Post by Control5 on Sept 4, 2021 9:55:14 GMT
I’m certainly not an Ant-Vaxer or a Covid denier. I know very well that it is a nasty disease for some people and for many people even a potentially fatal one.However a lot of people who get it don’t experience any symptoms whatsoever. I would repeat that what was said was there were around 20 positive tests. Apart from one player who was hospitalised, I don’t think anyone was saying that players were at deaths door by any means. You seem to believe that Tyrone said the whole panel was in their sick beds. Nothing of the sort was ever said. However there were positive tests and that number of positive tests of itself would have prevented Tyrone from fielding a week earlier. I’m sorry you seem to hate Tyrone, but I don’t think there’s anything I can say will change your view. I’m still grateful to Kerry for their sportsmanship in agreeing to re-fix the date. I'm sorry you are so ignorant that are now down to accusing me of hating Tyrone when in fact and I am on record here as conveying the positive culture I experience on my every visit to Healy Park and which is just a run and a jump down the road from me. The word was that Covid was rife in the camp and which it wasn't - I don't believe a single player was recovering from Covid and I include Niall Morgan in that and whose 70 yard placed-kick point must be a record. You also deny things I neither said nor implied - all characteristic of someone who has an agenda but no evidence. The facts are laid bare for everyone and they will make up their own minds, just like the entire TSGs panel, well apart from wan Sean Cavanagh who went mental when the truth was put to him - even wee Brolly wouldn't have behaved like that if he was caught out. You are hijacking the thread now by repeating the same thing over and over. You have made your view very clear. Please stop.
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Post by Kingdomson on Sept 4, 2021 12:07:29 GMT
how Tyrone broke Kerry, their stars and the fallout, Mayo in waiting | The Football Pod
Very good discussion and analysis in this podcast.
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Post by taggert on Sept 4, 2021 13:03:04 GMT
Jim McGuinness In Kerry the expectations are heightened. Most other football counties would consider what Peter Keane has delivered in three seasons - two Munster titles, two national leagues, an All-Ireland final draw and replay - to be a bounty. But all of that has been washed away with their defeat last Saturday to Tyrone. The sight of Tyrone in victory must have evoked bitter memories from the last decade in Kerry and it has led to a mood of deep introspection and, because the Kerry football culture is so demanding, to public calls for a change in management. It’s a precarious life, managing the Kingdom! But as the dust settles, one question continues to engage Kerry minds: what happened? So, what did happen? The simple narrative of the game is that Kerry once again met a mass Tyrone defence and didn’t know how to cope with it. That isn’t fully true. Go back to the start. Kerry were brimming with certainty. Twenty five seconds in David Clifford attacked Ronan McNamee and took him on and struck a powerful score. His movement is exceptional: for his next score he cuts in laterally and back outside and collects a mark on his chest which resulted in Kerry going two up. It was the perfect opening and designed to sow immediate doubts in the Tyrone minds: oh, everything we heard about these guys is true. If Tyrone were less bullish, they might have remembered the humiliation visited on them in the league in Killarney a few months back. Also, Kerry came with a plan that enabled them to have their way with the kick-outs. On Tyrone’s kick-out, Kerry straddled five men in the central plank on Tyrone’s 45 metre line. Tyrone had five players there also. But along Tyrone’s defensive 65, Kerry had another four players lined up - marking nobody. You had Tyrone players beyond that line as targets for Niall Morgan. But then you had a further six Kerry players - including the goalkeeper and fullback - lined up. So as the ball travelled, you had David Moran attacking it and the four Kerry players on the defensive 65 pivoting so that Kerry outnumbered Tyrone on the break every time. And it absolutely worked a treat. Tyrone were destroyed on their kick-out. On the other side of the coin, Kerry went short and initiated sharp transitional moments. So Tyrone were very much in trouble on the kick-out all afternoon. And it was for that reason that Niall Morgan became such a central figure in the action. I think this game, above all, illuminated both his strengths and weaknesses and his central role in the Tyrone dynamic. So you have this dynamic with him in which the sublime mixes with the ridiculous. The first score Tyrone got was from a 45 kicked by Niall in the sixth minute. He plays a sweeper role and, also, his playmaking as the plus-one is a big part of Tyrone’s build-up. On short kick-outs they have a triangle system going on the restart so that their corner-backs are never isolated in possession. His capacity to kick over the press is impressive also. And then he delivered that mammoth score just before half-time. But there is another side to Niall based on decision making. He tried a pass with the outside of the boot and mi* it to David Moran: that resulted in a point for Clifford. From the subsequent kick-out he thumped it down the middle and it was lost again. And immediately after that he tried another with the outside of his boot which Paul Murphy intercepted. That ended with Niall Sludden’s black card tackle. In the 45th minute he lost another kick-out. In the 65th minute he was out around the middle and sliced a kick over the sideline. From that possession, Kerry got a goal chance which Tom O’Sullivan put over the bar. So you have this dynamic with him in which the sublime mixes with the ridiculous. He can be brilliant. When he falls into a rhythm, he can be inspirational and hard to stop. But when that cracks he does things which can drag the psychology of the team down. We were always aware of his potency during my time with Donegal. But you have this thing in your mind where he can be got at. Pressure - and the high press - is the key in pushing him into a place where he will try things and perhaps gamble. Mayo are good at forcing teams and players into those kinds of areas. But back to the game - and Tyrone’s mid-block press. You had a situation 9.30 seconds in. Kerry have the ball in the midfield area. Fourteen seconds later and their task was made even more difficult as Tyrone brought attackers back and pushed defenders forward to condense the area even more. So you have to visualise almost the entire Tyrone team - apart from the three fullbacks and goalkeeper - packed between Tyrone’s defensive 45 and their offensive 65. (30 metres by the width of the pitch). The battle That is where Tyrone took the battle to Kerry: a block of defenders compressed into that area. They were man to man from their own 45 to that offensive 65 and they had 12 bodies in there. Inside, Tyrone left their fullbacks in a straight three v three battle against Clifford, Paul Geaney and a rotating third. So they confronted Kerry with this mid block press. They were all man to man but it was so compressed and messy that it operated like a zone as well. I looked at the clock and it took 40 seconds and several passes before Gavin White could cross the Tyrone defensive 45 with the ball. And within eight seconds of Gavin crossing that line, Tyrone had eight players falling back to the central plank and protecting their D. So they immediately had a defensive wall of 11 players and succeeded in turning the ball over. This would happen again and again all afternoon. This was battle ground number two for Tyrone. They defended that D with everything they had. As a defensive strategy, the mid-block was a similar challenge to what Mayo brought against Donegal in the All-Ireland final of 2012. Interestingly, I think we could see the same in this upcoming final - from both teams. So I don’t think it is true to say that Tyrone brought a very defensive game plan here. In many respects they brought the same game plan as Kerry. The difference was that whenever Kerry broached the Tyrone mid-block press, they flooded back in numbers and with intent to defend their D. Kerry did not. I could see the Kerry fellas working it out as they went - moving the ball, looking for pockets of space to inject pace to get through this mid-block. But I don’t believe they had a strategy in their heads to fully exploit it. They didn’t quite know what they were looking for. Beating a press of that nature is a game of patience. It becomes about moving the ball at pace and not taking the ball into contact and critically involves swinging the ball from one wing to the other - and back if necessary. The space lies beyond the press so why try and why try and play through it? The more often you shift that block from side to side, the more opportunities open up to play a pass over that block to your danger men. And the beauty is that if you hit them with the right ball - the dink ball, the diagonal ball - there will be space for them to exploit. Another option is to pull two forwards to one side and isolate the one you think is best and go long to him. But Kerry were persistently and stubbornly engaged with the idea of trying to work the ball through that packed Tyrone block. And the result was far too many turnovers for Tyrone, which led to those transitional moments - and the fact that four Tyrone defenders were able to get up the field to kick points in the first-half. Physicality I have spoken here about the lack of physicality in the championship over the summer. Tyrone fairly bucked that trend. They were hard, physical and made many well timed committed tackles. It was one of the best features of the game. The foundation for all of that legitimate aggression and hunger was laid in the very first minute when Frank Burns shouldered Dara Moynihan out over the sideline. Two minutes later, he put a big hit on Jack Barry. There was a statement of intent there. The hits generated the turnovers, which fed into their running game. I am still trying to get my head around what Kerry were thinking about. It was vital that Kerry stopped that running game. I felt they weren’t aggressive enough in this regard. Tyrone were breaking tackles all the time. I didn’t think Kerry had the stomach to stop players in their tracks or, failing that, to track them. Did they put their heart and soul into defending the D? Their decision making and tactic, almost, of taking the ball into contact, was incredible to me. They kept losing the ball at the top of the D because Tyrone were defending it with their lives. But Kerry played into their hands by coming back for more, time after time. I’d say those Tyrone defenders couldn’t believe their luck. I am still trying to get my head around what Kerry were thinking about. I went into detail here last week about a warm-up drill Kerry execute, a kind of quick-passing over play. I just feel they became wedded to that and kept trying to force it against Tyrone. They would have been better off admitting that it wasn’t working and to play with width and depth and patience. They should have made Tyrone work much harder to even get close to them. And I know the athletic profile of Kerry has changed a lot. Is it possible they have gone too much to a running game? Are there too many runners and not enough shooters now - and as a consequence not enough ball being kicked inside? In any event, it meant there was too much pressure on O’Shea and Clifford to keep the scoreboard ticking. The style and philosophy and tactics they employed did not serve them. And they ended up looking like novices: as though they didn’t know how to break down these kinds of defences. Also, they didn’t look as conditioned as Tyrone, which was ironic given all the pre-match speculation about the covid incident in the Ulster camp. And they had chances! They were a point and a man up 60 minutes in and didn’t get it done then. After that, I felt they weren’t going to do it in extra-time either. And for all of that, Clifford was immense. Tom O’Sullivan took Darren McCurry out of the game, Gavin White was electrifying in possession. They were without their talisman for extra-time. And they still only lost by a point! There will be a lot of regret down there this week. Are Tyrone a different team than they were at the start of the championship? When you win the Ulster title you become a different team anyhow. You see yourself differently. But gifts offered up by Kerry will not be on the table when they face Mayo. They cannot roll up to Croke Park on Saturday week and expect a similar story. It’s a wholly unexpected All-Ireland final and completely intriguing. Good article, always enjoy his analysis. Much has been made of Kerrys perceived strengths from numbers 8 to 15, but for me the jury is well and truly out on a number of these in the context of the business end of the c'ship. By my reckoning of that 8, 4 were very poor, 2 were middling, 1 was very good and 1 was immense. That is nowhere near enough especially when you factor in how poor the subs were (see below). The very good (DM) and immense (DC) were bunched with fatigue and injury long before full time which compounded matters. Its also worth considering the relative impacts of our subs which to me were a big disappointment also. I cant recall a single positive thing brought by Adrian or Gavin, felt Tommy was very limp when defending one of the Tyrone scores on the D, while Killian made a very poor decision (difficuly goal over easy point) and execution (wrong foot). Sherwood can carry ball and did ok but considering PK gave him about 5 mins game time in total in 2021, not sure what they expected of him. The inability of the Kerry sideline to change tactic during the game was glaring. But the paucity of performance from a huge number of players has me questioning whether there are passengers on the first 15 and several in the squad overall.
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Post by kerryman99 on Sept 4, 2021 13:03:24 GMT
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Post by taggert on Sept 4, 2021 13:28:44 GMT
Good read unless you are PK or MF. Team over individual; high percentage over low percentage; attack as a group; defend as a group; make the right decisions at the right time. All those cheap and easy goals we got in 2021 maybe led us to believe we would readily repeat the dose in the semi and final - knowing when the goal is or isn't on in the white heat of battle is another lesson to be learned for this crop. Tyrone were fuelled by foiling some of the goal attempts.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 4, 2021 14:56:55 GMT
I'm sorry you are so ignorant that are now down to accusing me of hating Tyrone when in fact and I am on record here as conveying the positive culture I experience on my every visit to Healy Park and which is just a run and a jump down the road from me. The word was that Covid was rife in the camp and which it wasn't - I don't believe a single player was recovering from Covid and I include Niall Morgan in that and whose 70 yard placed-kick point must be a record. You also deny things I neither said nor implied - all characteristic of someone who has an agenda but no evidence. The facts are laid bare for everyone and they will make up their own minds, just like the entire TSGs panel, well apart from wan Sean Cavanagh who went mental when the truth was put to him - even wee Brolly wouldn't have behaved like that if he was caught out. You are hijacking the thread now by repeating the same thing over and over. You have made your view very clear. Please stop. I agree and apols for the distraction, I should have just said my piece and left it at that. With respect the others kept repeating nonsense though and someone had to stand up for our players.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 4, 2021 15:09:06 GMT
Reading the experts we need to be mindful that much of it is with the benefit of hindsight, probably repeated viewings and comparing notes with fellow analysts.
Still they all came back to game management, and a few issues also cropped up again, e.g. restrictions on who shoots, etc.
I got well lost in McGuinness's analysis at first but there is some expertise there to apply in watching games, albeit in the flesh, as unfortunately TV only focuses the action on the ball, so nothing beats being there to see the set ups, tactics, off-the-ball, etc.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 4, 2021 18:04:47 GMT
Good read unless you are PK or MF. Team over individual; high percentage over low percentage; attack as a group; defend as a group; make the right decisions at the right time. All those cheap and easy goals we got in 2021 maybe led us to believe we would readily repeat the dose in the semi and final - knowing when the goal is or isn't on in the white heat of battle is another lesson to be learned for this crop. Tyrone were fuelled by foiling some of the goal attempts. On the money alright.
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Post by Joxer on Sept 4, 2021 19:21:09 GMT
Absolutely spot on. Kevin Walsh also worth listening to on the Examiner podcast ( and his book is well worth reading for similar points as he makes on the podcast).
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 4, 2021 21:03:12 GMT
Kerry used to be good at making the right decisions at high pressure moments.
Maybe it will come in time as the players get older
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Post by Premier on Sept 5, 2021 7:53:29 GMT
Absolutely spot on. Kevin Walsh also worth listening to on the Examiner podcast ( and his book is well worth reading for similar points as he makes on the podcast). Does anyone ever get the sense that Kevin Walsh is always trying to talk about how great a job he did with Galway? He always bemoans the fact that his team were labelled as defensive citing incidents which they weren’t (which only happened in the league) but realistically his team was very defensive when he had them. He was talking on that podcast too about ‘forwards win games, defence wins championships’ as if Kerry should have played about 10 sweepers. Realistically it was Kerry’s forwards missing cost the game, a lot less blame on a defence who conceded 13 scores in the first 70 mins
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Post by markisback on Sept 5, 2021 9:22:54 GMT
Absolutely spot on. Kevin Walsh also worth listening to on the Examiner podcast ( and his book is well worth reading for similar points as he makes on the podcast). Does anyone ever get the sense that Kevin Walsh is always trying to talk about how great a job he did with Galway? He always bemoans the fact that his team were labelled as defensive citing incidents which they weren’t (which only happened in the league) but realistically his team was very defensive when he had them. He was talking on that podcast too about ‘forwards win games, defence wins championships’ as if Kerry should have played about 10 sweepers. Realistically it was Kerry’s forwards missing cost the game, a lot less blame on a defence who conceded 13 scores in the first 70 mins Galway May have been more defensive under Kevin Walsh than Galway teams usually are. But it would be unfair to single Galway out. Dublin’s brilliance over the last 6 years has masked the fact that they have the ultimate blanket defence. When they lose the ball, they get 15 men behind the ball.(I would stress that here I am talking about in big business end of the Championship games, not Leinster Championship against Wexford Carlow etc.) there seems to be a perception that they leave some forwards up. Having been at many of those big matches in Croker, I can tell you it’s not correct.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 5, 2021 12:16:52 GMT
Absolutely spot on. Kevin Walsh also worth listening to on the Examiner podcast ( and his book is well worth reading for similar points as he makes on the podcast). Does anyone ever get the sense that Kevin Walsh is always trying to talk about how great a job he did with Galway? He always bemoans the fact that his team were labelled as defensive citing incidents which they weren’t (which only happened in the league) but realistically his team was very defensive when he had them. He was talking on that podcast too about ‘forwards win games, defence wins championships’ as if Kerry should have played about 10 sweepers. Realistically it was Kerry’s forwards missing cost the game, a lot less blame on a defence who conceded 13 scores in the first 70 mins After the 2017 game v Kerry, Galway brought in that guy from Down to organise their defence. They beat Kerry in 2018 before being knocked out by Dublin. In 2019 they were knocked out by Mayo by a goal i think. They were far better in 2018 and 2019 that they were before that Down lad came in. Mayo and Dublin beat most teams in those years.
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Post by thebluepanther on Sept 5, 2021 13:18:11 GMT
Hard luck on the game, to lose any game in extra time is gut wrenchng .
I cant help wonder what would of happened had Kerry and Dublin like other years had a replay to address the issues.
Unfortunetly for Peter Keane and Dessie Farrell they don't get that luxury and face a long winter of soul searching . Granted for Dessie Farrell its slightly different . The structure of the Gaa Championship is very cruel on Coaches, If Pepe Guardiola was judged on recent one off games he would be regarded as a flop. If your from Leinster or Munster You have basically one game every year around August that you find out if your philosophies on the game are a breathe of fresh air or naive , boring at times but exactly what is required . Everything before the Tyrone game suggested Peter Keane had his team flying and there was nothing left in the competition that could trouble them , his dabble with going more defensive last year had ended in disaster , he was wasn't going to go there again ( there would have been uproar amongst supporters has he done so , especially after the goal spree against Cork ) To an outsider ( maybe i'm wrong ) But it looks like Peter Keane sets up his teams like his minor teams that won all those medals, relying on the brilliance of individual players to overpower the opposition to win you games . which wont cut it when you are trying to win an All Ireland Senior title. Maybe thats harsh , he has won 3 minor titles and i know he led a Kerry club team to a first Kerry championship final in 60 odd years , so clearly he knows his football . The game this year i thought had a lot of similarities to the 2005 game against Tyrone. Tyrone blocked up certain channels , but Kerry stubbornly still tried to go down them , got dispossesed by 3 on 2 scenarios and then paid the price because of Tyrones fast counter attacking .
Is it possible Kerry will have to accept like Dublin in 2014 , That you have to be able to adapt and have a certain style against certain defences . Always playing on the front foot (Like Kerry teams of old who won many All Irelands did ) just wont cut it in the modern game. Jim Gavin said you need to have numerous plans in case of the " what ifs " . Kerry didn't seem to have a plan for the what ifs .
"What if" Tyrone aren't tired as expected and are actually stronger than us in the tackle . "What if" our we find ourselves facing a team who pack their defence between the 45 and 65 and we cant break through using our normal game plan .
Either way for all that i thought Kerry were going to win it in extra time, when they started to come back and still without Clifford and Moran only lost by a point . I think Moran will be a big loss if he calls it a day . Who would of thought Tyrone and Mayo in the final . Maybe the Gaa needed this. It really opes up next year already . As a Dub i'm really Looking forward to the League next year, i know you don't feel like that at the moment, but it will come around soon enough . Till next year .
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 5, 2021 13:42:34 GMT
Good post BP.
The lack of competition in Leinster didnt stop Dublin from having lots of different pre cooked game plans for whatever scenario they faced so no real excuse for Kerry to be so poor in this regard
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Post by dano on Sept 5, 2021 18:07:58 GMT
Thanks For putting up that '07 S.F. It's guys like the 3 OSes we need. That's why I think Tomas, in the future, is a must to manage Ciarrai. I agree with Blue Panther in everything he wrote there.
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