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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 28, 2021 13:39:34 GMT
So let's get the ball rolling on this,
In all likelihood it will be Tyrone we face.
I personally didn't like the changes on Sunday and I'd go back to the 15 that started against Tipp and Clare.
Any word on Diarmuid O Connor ?
I believe Dara Moynihan may be ok which will be very welcome.
We can't afford a start like we had on Sunday from here on in as it could be alot worse.
The real championship starts now.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 28, 2021 13:50:29 GMT
There was some yarn by Eamonn Fitz that the Tyrone that showed up in Killarney were in the midst of heavy training... indeed on the day of the match.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 28, 2021 13:57:30 GMT
There was some yarn by Eamonn Fitz that the Tyrone that showed up in Killarney were in the midst of heavy training... indeed on the day of the match. Tyrone will be a different animal in Croke Park and the big difference being McShane. He caused us untold damage in 2019. It looks to me that our conditioning looks tailored for Croke Park so I'm looking forward to seeing them open up in there. We will know a lot more after that game. |
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Post by tpo on Jul 28, 2021 14:14:03 GMT
Some of the goals we got against Tyrone wont happen again. Gavin's long range and Davids penalty
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Post by peanuts on Jul 28, 2021 15:15:05 GMT
Some of the goals we got against Tyrone wont happen again. Gavin's long range and Davids penalty That's fine, the other 4 will do nicely  |
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Post by homerj on Jul 28, 2021 17:04:59 GMT
how are tickets gonna work for this does anybody know, general sale?
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 28, 2021 17:58:11 GMT
So let's get the ball rolling on this, In all likelihood it will be Tyrone we face. I personally didn't like the changes on Sunday and I'd go back to the 15 that started against Tipp and Clare. Any word on Diarmuid O Connor ? I believe Dara Moynihan may be ok which will be very welcome. We can't afford a start like we had on Sunday from here on in as it could be alot worse. The real championship starts now. Probably be Tyrone with an emphasis on defence hoping not to concede any goals; think the changes made prior to throw in were necessitated due to Gavin Crowley failing to nail down centre back ( Eoin Cleary was more than a handful ) and a relatively quiet game vs Tipp - Jack Barry still merits a starting spot & gave a good account of himself. Diarmuid O’Connor should be ok but Dara Moynihan will struggle to be back in time - Sat will tell us a lot about our next opponents & the extra week to prepare can only be good news in terms of rehab. |
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 28, 2021 18:02:44 GMT
how are tickets gonna work for this does anybody know, general sale? Think capacity will be greater than 18,000, possibly 25,000. Tickets will be distributed through the clubs with any excess going on general sale - would think there will be plenty of capacity with Ulster final set to draw about 14,000 with an 18,000 cap. |
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Post by The16thMan on Jul 31, 2021 16:59:52 GMT
So it's Tyrone as expected but I must say, they really fell over the line in the end. They were the better team but they really retreated into their shell in that 2nd half. The fact that they've only scored 1 goal in the Championship this season and never really looked close to scoring one today either will give the Kerry defence a lot of confidence. Tyrone are a dangerous team but Kerry are also dangerous and a lot more as well. I expect a battle for 50 minutes but Kerry eventually to open the flood gates to a degree in the final quarter and to win by 5-8 points.
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Post by gaelicden on Jul 31, 2021 17:07:56 GMT
The build up to this match is going to feature a good bit of that 6-15 score put up in Killarney. Are we going to score 6-15 against Tyrone in an AI Semi Final? Maybe but probably not.
Yet at the same time, Tyrone's defence since that game has been based on matches against Ulster opposition. Let's not forget that competitively this year, Tyrone have played all but one match against Ulster opposition. The odd one out, well we know ourselves who that was.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 31, 2021 17:10:10 GMT
Hopefully PK & co will be able to dismantle Tyrone ala Fitzy in '14 v McGuinness, Ulster Final was great to watch but I wonder where the benchmarks are v us? Personally I thought if Mon forwards were sharper they could have bagged it and to comeback from 5 down v Red Hands showed serious capability from a team that looked like gonners last year, Donie has certainly succeeded with their defense tactics and they are more energy efficient in this dept.
Éamonn said it took longer to build up a team than some of us were allowing so it will be interesting to see how Dooher & Logan fare in this respect. Have Tyrone the players I wonder and have they enough of a pipeline?, they certainly have the S&C.
How long did it take Limerick so climb to the top of the small ball, say from the time they set out, when did JP get behind them, I mean really? When was the starting point anyone know.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 31, 2021 17:16:10 GMT
Very good first half from them mixed the running and kicking well.
Second half they were pedestrian and players like McKenna, Donnelly and mcgreary ran out of petrol. When monaghan upped the pace they struggled we need to ensure this game is played on our terms if we do we will win by a bit imo.
If we let them turn it into a slow ponderous rugby league game we could be in trouble.
Think Morgan is there to be got at he lost the battle of the "celebrity" goalies today his ego will not like that!
Overall I'm more confident than before the match cant wait!
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 31, 2021 17:22:20 GMT
Tyrone looked good in the first half but seemed to run out of steam in the second half - they are always dangerous but I think we should have enough to take them in two weeks time. Forget league form and focus on delivering a performance.
Great to see the attendance number is increased to 24,000 and hopefully we will ensure Kerry are well represented in the stands and terraces for the Semi Final - we owe it to the team to travel and ensure equal representation at the very least.
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Post by taggert on Jul 31, 2021 18:59:16 GMT
Would be great if DM was back but if he's not going to be 100% fit, then its a big risk to play him.
The big disappointment for me this year has been the no show from Sherwood - thought his size and pace would be ready made for Croker. Obviously not cutting the mustard for Peter and co. I dont think Gavin Crowley has had a good year but I'm not sure the pint sized Murphy is the man for Tyrone, Dublin et al - the ease at which he was turned over twice by Cork was worrying.
Foley will have his hands full with McShane while Begley is yet to prove he is a consistent high performer at the business end of things.
The Munster C'ship was very easily won and the standard of opposition was terrible. Not our fault but could be our problem. For example, we know Geaney filled his boots versus Cork with efforts that were put on a plate for him, the question will be if he can deliver in a semi or a final like he did in his pomp. Time will tell.
Today, I thought Monaghan's decision making up front was terrible, in both shot selection and in holding onto the ball and heading into tackles far too often. While Tyrone will use the league drubbing v Kerry to fire themselves up, we have plenty of material ourselves where the Red Hand are concerned....
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Post by dc84 on Jul 31, 2021 19:16:36 GMT
Mcshane doesn't look right yet he might be better in 2 weeks but he will not be as good as 2 years ago when he was top scorer. He probably won't start
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 31, 2021 19:16:53 GMT
Just watched the game,
You won't win a big game with 16 scores.
If that Tyrone team show up in 2 weeks then Kerry should not fear them.
Monaghan had the chances to level it and took the wrong options.
On a separate note,
Shane Ryan don't be getting and ideas after watching that today.
We don't need a keeper in the opposing half.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 31, 2021 20:11:19 GMT
Just watched the game, You won't win a big game with 16 scores. If that Tyrone team show up in 2 weeks then Kerry should not fear them. Monaghan had the chances to level it and took the wrong options. On a separate note, Shane Ryan don't be getting and ideas after watching that today. We don't need a keeper in the opposing half. Shane spent a lot of the 2nd half on his own 50 yard line when Cork were taking their kick out, filling space. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 31, 2021 20:29:33 GMT
Dooher relieved to get win after Covid issue rocked Tyrone preparations
July 31, 2021
Tyrone joint manager Brian Dooher says he was relieved to see his side come away with the win after this evening’s Ulster SFC final against Monaghan.
A Covid-19 related issue in the Red Hands’ camp meant that Dooher would be without fellow joint manager Feargal Logan on the sideline today at Croke Park, while players Frank Burns, Rory Brennan, Tiernan McCann and Richie Donnelly would not feature either.
It’s still unclear whether all four players’ absence was related to a Covid case but it certainly rocked the team’s preparations for the provincial decider.
Speaking after the 0-16 to 0-15 victory, Dooher said he was relieved at the final whistle after a tense finish at headquarters.
“I suppose relief, after that second half,” he is quoted saying by The42.ie. “Just glad to get out of here. There was a long period there, especially at the end of it the way Monaghan were coming at us, we struggled to contain them. We were just a bit disjointed ourselves.
“It was a tough second half but thankfully we were able to chip in with a few scores and that’s what got us through in the end up.
“Monaghan to be fair to them came at us and pressed hard, with a lot more intensity. They asked hard questions of us. We didn’t start the second half with the same purpose and intensity as we had in the first.
“Any day that happens, you go on momentum and Monaghan had the momentum, they had their purple patch and they could chip in with a few scores and they probably should have had a few more scores.
“We are just glad to get through it, we have a lot to work on but I suppose we have the next two weeks to work on it anyway.”
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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 31, 2021 20:39:02 GMT
What a game awaits us in two weeks! Tyrone will relish the role of underdogs and will give us nothing easy. Firstly, I hope both squads are fit and healthy and we have a dry day for the semi-final.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 31, 2021 20:52:25 GMT
Just watched the game, You won't win a big game with 16 scores. If that Tyrone team show up in 2 weeks then Kerry should not fear them. Monaghan had the chances to level it and took the wrong options. On a separate note, Shane Ryan don't be getting and ideas after watching that today. We don't need a keeper in the opposing half. Shane spent a lot of the 2nd half on his own 50 yard line when Cork were taking their kick out, filling space. No problem with that but what was going on in Croke Park was crazy today. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 31, 2021 21:43:31 GMT
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Brian Dooher disappointed for joint-manager Feargal Logan after missing Tyrone's Ulster title
Dooher accepted that Tyrone still have a way to go ahead of their All-Ireland semi-final meeting with Kerry
Brian Dooher disappointed for joint-manager Feargal Logan after missing Tyrone's Ulster title
Tyrone joint-manager Brian Dooher after the game at Croke Park. Picture: INPHO/Tommy Grealy
SAT, 31 JUL, 2021 - 21:58
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Just glad to get out of here, said Brian Dooher as he broke a crazy second half down into the simplest of terms.
His Tyrone team was in control of the Ulster final until Monaghan arrived late to the party and caused mayhem with a riot of uninhibited attack.
They came to within a point, but could not get that vital last score they needed to push a thrilling decider to extra-time.
“I suppose relief, after that second half. Just glad to get out of here. There was a long period there, especially at the end of it the way Monaghan were coming at us, we struggled to contain them. We were just a bit disjointed ourselves,” said Dooher afterwards.
“It was a tough second half but thankfully we were able to chip in with a few scores and that’s what got us through in the end up.
“Monaghan, to be fair to them, came at us and pressed hard, with a lot more intensity. They asked hard questions of us. We didn’t start the second half with the same purpose and intensity as we had in the first.
“Any day that happens, you go on momentum and Monaghan had the momentum, they had their purple patch and they could chip in with a few scores and they probably should have had a few more scores.”
Dooher accepted that Tyrone still have a way to go ahead of their All-Ireland semi-final meeting with Kerry.
“We are just glad to get through it, we have a lot to work on but I suppose we have the next two weeks to work on it anyway.”
The double All-Ireland winning captain patrolled the Croke Park sideline alone, his management partner Feargal Logan back home, self-isolating, as were a number of the Tyrone players after being deemed close contacts of Covid cases.
“It’s well known we had a few men out with close contacts and one thing and another with Covid. It’s precautionary and we are taking no chances with it and taking advice from our medical team,” said Dooher.
“It left us down a few players. That’s the environment we are in at the moment, you have a high level of Covid in the community and our people live in the community.
“They keep themselves to themselves as much as possible but there are risk factors out there.
“I would be very disappointed for Feargal and Feargal would be disappointed not to be here.
“I suppose that was the medical advice that had to be adhered to. But Feargal had his input. He was in our ears and had valuable input to contribute during the match. And we took that on board.”
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 31, 2021 22:25:54 GMT
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Ulster title will have to be enough for transformed Tyrone with Kerry lying in wait
Joe Brolly
July 31 2021 09:29 PM
For those of us over 45, it is important to bear in mind Barry McGowan’s three rules of the charity match — Rule 1: Don’t train. Rule 2: Don’t warm up. Rule 3 (McGowan says this is the most important rule): Don’t get injured.
Our Irish Masters’ XV took to the field last Saturday minus Seán Marty Lockhart, who had broken Rule 1 and torn his hamstring in the process. McGowan would have no sympathy. Sadly, having carefully observed Rules 1 and 2, when the whistle blew, I thought I was 18 again and quickly pulled my hamstring.
Peter Canavan made no such errors. After two minutes, he scored a 14-yard free and immediately strolled off, soaking up the applause from the big crowd. When he had arrived into the changing room earlier, I bowed down before him to the amusement of the squad. “Lower, lower” he said, to much laughter.
Once at Croke Park outside the RTÉ and Sky boxes, Colm O’Rourke, Jim McGuinness and I were chatting. O’Rourke said, “For God’s sake.” Peter poked his head out of the Sky box and said, “Did someone call?”
Before the game, an exhibition match between the Derry and Antrim special needs teams delighted the crowd. Canavan, who could be Taoiseach if he were interested, did a Q&A with the players afterwards. What a player. And what a man.
His son Darragh wasn’t fit to start the big game in Croke Park but in the first half, Tyrone didn’t miss him, playing with all the adventure and ambition the new management is insisting upon.
Rory Beggan’s kick-outs have been the howitzer behind which the Monaghan infantry has advanced over the last decade. In the first half, Tyrone neutralised those kick-outs with the ingenious tactic of positioning their 'keeper, Niall Morgan, at the Monaghan left half-forward area. Beggan was flummoxed and Monaghan were immediately in serious trouble. They lost seven of their 13 first-half kick-outs and as a result were constantly on the back foot.
Tyrone pressed, played with a full complement of forwards, kicked long and thoroughly enjoyed themselves. At half time the BBC’s Mark Sidebottom asked Mickey Harte why Darren McCurry was now flourishing having struggled so badly during Mickey’s tenure, which got the same response as asking a Fine Gael spokesperson about Katherine Zappone.
Meanwhile, Banty made a beeline for the Monaghan changing room with an expression like Jack Nicholson in The Shining heading for his hotel room, axe in hand.
From the second half throw-in, Monaghan went to battle-speed and the game was transformed. By the 49th minute, they had gone from five behind to level and the excitement levels were insane. In the 43rd minute Duffy put Conor McCarthy clean through on goal only for David Gough to blow Duffy for over-carrying. Five minutes later, with the game a draw, McCarthy was through again and only for a terrible hand-pass, he might have scored the decisive goal. After that it was impossible to make sense of the game or even to keep up with it.
Banty ran up and down the steps of the Hogan Stand like the fiercely determined dad in Ireland’s Fittest Family. Monaghan’s full-backs kicked points from play in the 63rd and 65th minutes. In the 69th minute, Morgan’s enormous kick-out over the top caught Rory Beggan out and Mattie Donnelly was through on goal. Amazingly, Beggan sprinted back, dispossessed Donnelly, flicked the loose ball up to himself and set up a Monaghan attack.
Amidst almost unbearable excitement, Monaghan botched it with two shots up into the air in the 70th and 71st minutes, allowing Tyrone to hold possession to the final whistle. In the end, it was fitting that McCurry’s brilliant high catch and marked point in the 66th minute won the game.
Tyrone are a long way from being sure of themselves. Conor McKenna sprinted about like a bucking bronco, kicking balls up in the air and generally struggling to keep himself under control. Darragh Canavan came in for ten minutes but didn’t touch the ball. McShane was good and bad. Their midfield was neither here nor there.
The transformation to an attacking, high pressing team is welcome but in its early stages. An Ulster title will have to be enough this year. They have run out of time to do anything more. David Clifford is unlikely to be held scoreless from play again in this decade.
Earlier in the day, Keith Higgins finally won an All-Ireland senior medal, lifting the Nicky Rackard Cup after a terrific win over Tyrone. A great day for a fine sportsman and a reminder of the importance of creating competitions that are competitive. In hurling, we don’t send Mayo out against Tipperary or put Tyrone out against Limerick to be humiliated.
In football, where this is par for the course, we can only begin to relax and enjoy the games after 80 per cent of the teams are gone. This annual triumph of fantasy over reality continues to deceive us, perhaps because we understand that the important thing is that we have a vibrant GAA community. Or as my late father used to put it, “All-Irelands are for Kerry and Dublin. The GAA is for all of us.”
The GAA gives. That’s what it does. It gives. In the end, who happens to win games is neither here nor there. As we saw after the Monaghan/Down under 20 final on Friday night, when the teams gathered together and Down manager Conor Laverty spoke movingly of Monaghan’s great loss, we are truly blessed to live in this community.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 1, 2021 10:45:09 GMT
There was some yarn by Eamonn Fitz that the Tyrone that showed up in Killarney were in the midst of heavy training... indeed on the day of the match. Reflecting on this for two seconds, there is no way Tyrone risked injuries in this way. |
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Post by john4 on Aug 1, 2021 11:25:28 GMT
There was some yarn by Eamonn Fitz that the Tyrone that showed up in Killarney were in the midst of heavy training... indeed on the day of the match. Reflecting on this for two seconds, there is no way Tyrone risked injuries in this way. Absolutely, this is rubbish. If Tyrone had a training session immediately prior to the league match, you'd expect that they'd have faded as the match went on. As it happened. We scored 5 goals in the first half and Tyrone actually scored more often than us in the last quarter 6 scores to 5. |
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Post by The16thMan on Aug 1, 2021 14:49:47 GMT
**DETAILS CONFIRMED**
Kerry vs Tyrone will take place on Sunday August 15th @ 3.30pm whilst Dublin/Kildare vs Mayo will take place on Saturday August 14th @ 6pm
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Aug 1, 2021 18:58:54 GMT
I said it in another thread, tickets for the hurling semi final is marked at €50 and €10 for kids. Time to start saving as it would be expected we will be charged the same.
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Post by The16thMan on Aug 1, 2021 19:05:56 GMT
I said it in another thread, tickets for the hurling semi final is marked at €50 and €10 for kids. Time to start saving as it would be expected we will be charged the same. Will tickets be distributed through clubs only?🤔 I was a season ticket holder in 2020 but I'm not affiliated with any club and I'm worried I won't get my hands on a ticket for this reason. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 1, 2021 19:10:42 GMT
I said it in another thread, tickets for the hurling semi final is marked at €50 and €10 for kids. Time to start saving as it would be expected we will be charged the same. Will tickets be distributed through clubs only?🤔 I was a season ticket holder in 2020 but I'm not affiliated with any club and I'm worried I won't get my hands on a ticket for this reason. Fairly certain they will be on general sale. |
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Aug 1, 2021 19:23:47 GMT
I said it in another thread, tickets for the hurling semi final is marked at €50 and €10 for kids. Time to start saving as it would be expected we will be charged the same. Will tickets be distributed through clubs only?🤔 I was a season ticket holder in 2020 but I'm not affiliated with any club and I'm worried I won't get my hands on a ticket for this reason. The hurling tickets are club first preference. Also I think Kerry Tyrone was less than 24k in 2019 (edit: it was 33k) so tickets will go on general sale. The final is a different story. This is me speculating (do not take as gospel). I can't see tickets being distributed traditionally) The 40k tickets will likely be split 50/50 and the clubs will get 16k each with sponsors and councils getting their cut (I think normally AI finalists got 10-12k and an extra 2.5k for minors). If you are confident that Kerry will make the final and are willing to pay €100 for a ticket, contact your local club and see if they take membership still to get into the draw. Pray you have a club that has a modest membership fee. Best of luck. |
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Post by The16thMan on Aug 1, 2021 19:36:20 GMT
Will tickets be distributed through clubs only?🤔 I was a season ticket holder in 2020 but I'm not affiliated with any club and I'm worried I won't get my hands on a ticket for this reason. The hurling tickets are club first preference. Also I think Kerry Tyrone was less than 24k in 2019 so tickets will go on general sale. The final is a different story. This is me speculating (do not take as gospel). I can't see tickets being distributed traditionally) The 40k tickets will likely be split 50/50 and the clubs will get 16k each with sponsors and councils getting their cut (I think normally AI finalists got 10-12k and an extra 2.5k for minors). If you are confident that Kerry will make the final and are willing to pay €100 for a ticket, contact your local club and see if they take membership still to get into the draw. Pray you have a club that has a modest membership fee. Best of luck. My main focus is the semi-final for now, hppefully there'll be an allocation put on Public Sale. I'll worry about the final if we get there. Thanks for the tip though 👍 |
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