All Ireland Semi Final now on Aug 28th Kerry v Tyrone

[pillar]

And how does an entire panel ,Cork U20 hurlers,be deemed close contacts..did the squad and management not follow Covid regulations.

[gaelicden]

Aug 7, 2021 13:24:14 GMT pillar said:

And how does an entire panel ,Cork U20 hurlers,be deemed close contacts..did the squad and management not follow Covid regulations.

The HSE defines a close contact as such:

Close contact
Close contact can mean:

• spending more than 15 minutes of face-to-face contact within 2 metres of someone who has COVID-19, indoors or outdoors
• living in the same house or shared accommodation as someone who has COVID-19
• sitting within 2 seats of someone who has COVID-19 on public transport or an airplane
  
• Spending more than 2 hours in an indoor space with someone who has COVID-19 will sometimes count as close or casual contact. This could be an office or a classroom. But it will depend on the size of the room and other factors.
  

Public health doctors or contact tracers will let you know if you are at risk during contact tracing and public health risk assessments.

I'm as confused as anyone with covid regulations (North and South) but if I was a betting man, I'd go with bullet point number 4. Assume a team building exercise or everyone being in the same training facilities/ dressing rooms...

... Or we could go down some conspiracy route and Cork yerra'd their way to a refixture as it was their best players that were isolating... But I'm not that crazy 🤪🤪

[mossie]

This is bad news re Tyrone

It could hit any team camp , club or county and this just shows what a scource this virus still is

with the numbers growing, potential upheavel ahead

[pillar]

Aug 7, 2021 13:32:38 GMT gaelicden said:

Aug 7, 2021 13:24:14 GMT pillar said:

And how does an entire panel ,Cork U20 hurlers,be deemed close contacts..did the squad and management not follow Covid regulations.

The HSE defines a close contact as such:

Close contact
Close contact can mean:

• spending more than 15 minutes of face-to-face contact within 2 metres of someone who has COVID-19, indoors or outdoors
• living in the same house or shared accommodation as someone who has COVID-19
• sitting within 2 seats of someone who has COVID-19 on public transport or an airplane
  
• Spending more than 2 hours in an indoor space with someone who has COVID-19 will sometimes count as close or casual contact. This could be an office or a classroom. But it will depend on the size of the room and other factors.
  

Public health doctors or contact tracers will let you know if you are at risk during contact tracing and public health risk assessments.

I'm as confused as anyone with covid regulations (North and South) but if I was a betting man, I'd go with bullet point number 4. Assume a team building exercise or everyone being in the same training facilities/ dressing rooms...

... Or we could go down some conspiracy route and Cork yerra'd their way to a refixture as it was their best players that we're isolating... But I'm not that crazy 🤪🤪

The need for clear rulings over postponements due to Covid are there I assume..are 4 first fifteeners more important than 6 subs??

[Mickmack]

[/quote]The HSE defines a close contact as such:

Close contact
Close contact can mean:

• spending more than 15 minutes of face-to-face contact within 2 metres of someone who has COVID-19, indoors or outdoors
• living in the same house or shared accommodation as someone who has COVID-19
• sitting within 2 seats of someone who has COVID-19 on public transport or an airplane
  
• Spending more than 2 hours in an indoor space with someone who has COVID-19 will sometimes count as close or casual contact. This could be an office or a classroom. But it will depend on the size of the room and other factors.
  

Public health doctors or contact tracers will let you know if you are at risk during contact tracing and public health risk assessments.

[/quote]


Do panels use dressing rooms before and after trauning sessions or meet indoors for team meetings. I think i read where KK had erected a marquee to replace dressing rooms at training.

It would be easy for a good few of a panel to fall foul of those rules if a member of the panel is found to have covid and the infected person shared a dressing room with the panel at training

[gaelicden]

Statement by Tyrone GAA

Statement by Coiste Chontae Thír Eoghain
Further to a number of positive Covid19 tests with members of the Tyrone senior football panel and management, prior to last weekend's successful Ulster Championship final in Croke Park, it was decided to have all panellists and management tested for the virus.
While outcomes from these tests are awaited a number of players are self-isolating; it is anticipated that all outcomes will be known by Monday and preparations can then be made for the forthcoming All-Ireland semifinal with Kerry.
During the past week Tyrone GAA has continued to comply, fully, with the guidelines and directives that have been issued by the Public Health Authority and by Croke Park.

[pillar]

Sounds precautionary rather than reactionary..I heard the 4 positive players returned to training during the week..might be just looking to tidy up the close contact pool of players

[dc84]

Hmm you would wonder how this will be handled if there is a bad outcome here surely there is a plan in place. Doubt the same thing would happen Tyrone as sligo last year.

[buck02]

Aug 7, 2021 13:24:14 GMT pillar said:

And how does an entire panel ,Cork U20 hurlers,be deemed close contacts..did the squad and management not follow Covid regulations.

I would think it's pretty unlikely that all 24 of the 19 and 20 year olds on the panel went straight home for a cup of tea and a good night's sleep after they won the Munster Final.

The senior players and anybody they live with literally have to live like monks at the moment to ensure they are not at risk of infection.

It is taking dedication to another level and hopefully supporters will acknowledge this over the next while.

[onlykerry]

Aug 7, 2021 13:21:10 GMT pillar said:

Big intercounty panels are the norm at the moment..considering they played an Ulster Final and the Dublin hurlers a Leinster Championship game without covid hit players you have to ask is there a ceiling of players that you can miss...and can you differentiate between No.23 on the panel and a first fifteener..only asking because I think schedules are getting tighter by the week.

There are many issues to be considered here.

Fairness to Tyrone (and Kerry)

Risk to team mates and opponents of contracting COVID or being declared close contacts after the game

Time between games for the two teams and the eventual winners

In many ways this is the nightmare scenario for the GAA to contend with and no matter what they decide they will come in for criticism.

[Lolly Valance]

It all depends on scheduling as well. I have seen referenced on other websites that the match could be delayed a week pushed out to the day before the all Ireland hurling final. In turn the football final will be pushed out a week to the date that was penciled in for a replay for the football final. Such a scenario means that Kerry will have a 4 week gap between games for a rearranged semi final.

As others have said. What is the criteria for granting a postponement? 4 players? 8 players? What if Kerry only 3 Kerry players were struck down by covid would we be expected to play? If Paudie Clifford, O'Shea and Gavin White were ruled out it would be much more of a loss than say Kieran Fitzgibbon, Pa Kilkenny and Graham O'Sullivan.

Its a very tricky one for the GAA to navigate if it comes to it. I think Kerry would have to agree to any postponement after the precedent set with Sligo last year.

[gaelicden]

I wouldn't be worried too much about a 4 week break for Kerry. We've had many a break like that after winning Munster before. I'd be more concerned about Tyrone's preparation.

If Kerry want a challenge, we don't want to be playing a team with potentially only about 4 days preparation (assuming 10 days isolation from today). In either way, whether it's played next Sunday or Saturday week, Tyrone's prep is wrecked.

[blacksheep21]

Kerry will go along with whatever Tyrone request I would imagine and that is the right thing to do.

[Mickmack]

Sligo withdrew.....

[Mickmack]

Irish
GAELIC GAMES MY SPORTS
GAA reject charge that Sligo’s withdrawal undermines championship



Seán Moran
Thu, Nov 5, 2020,

The GAA have rejected the charge that Sligo’s coronavirus-enforced withdrawal from the Connacht semi-final against Galway undermines the whole championship.

“I don’t think there’s any question about the integrity of the championship,” said Feargal McGill, head of games administration.

“Galway will still have to win a provincial title. They have to win an All-Ireland semi-final and win an All-Ireland final if they’re going to get there.

“You could be smart and say it was always likely that Galway were going to beat Sligo anyway, they would have been hot favourites for that game, but I don’t think it affects the integrity of the championship, no. It was well flagged that this was going to be a possibility. We’re not operating in normal times.”

Association president John Horan stated in August that if the All-Ireland championship went ahead, it couldn’t be held up to accommodate counties with Covid outbreaks in their ranks.

Although McGill had stated at a media briefing September that he didn’t believe that any county would have to drop out of championship because of Covid, he said he wasn’t surprised that the situation had changed.

“I’m not surprised. I’m disappointed. When I would have spoken originally at that conference, none of us knew what the future held. We didn’t know we were going to be in a situation where there would be 1,000 cases a day.

“I think I also said that I thought it was unlikely that we would be playing at all in Level 5. I didn’t think that we’d be permitted to play in Level 5. It turned out that we were permitted to play so that was a changing factor. If I’d know we were going to be playing in Level 5 I would have given a different answer at the time but so be it.”


Sligo GAA announced on Tuesday that because of players testing positive for Covid and others deemed close contacts, the county “was taking the tough decision to withdraw”. It is to date the only instance of a team having to pull out of the championship because of the pandemic.

Provincial council
Paul Taylor, manager of the Sligo footballers, said on Ocean FM local radio: “From a football point of view, it is not a case that we are not going, we can’t go. It is very disappointing for everyone involved; the players are gutted, we are all gutted. The players themselves are so disappointed. They thought a refixture would be an option. They feel that the situation has been forced on them as well.”

McGill was questioned about the possibility of a deferral – the Connacht final is a week earlier than other provincial finals. But he said that such a decision had to be made by the provincial council.

Speaking on OTB AM on Wednesday, Connacht CEO John Prenty said that his hands were tied.

“The regulations set up by the national CCCC is that unless there’s a clear 13 days between the original fixture and the next fixture then you have to give a walkover.

“There isn’t 13 days between the Connacht semi-finals and the final so Sligo took the decision to concede the game, they didn’t look for a postponement because close contacts are out of action for 14 days so a postponement wouldn’t have helped the situation.”

He firmly rejected any suspicion that a stronger county might in similar circumstances have been accommodated.

“Everybody in this situation is going to be dealt with in exactly the same way. Everybody knew the situation when we were thrilled to be able to get the championship going.”

[blacksheep21]

I am pretty sure they said last year that semi finals and finals could be rescheduled.
Didn’t Wexford have to reschedule one of the league games earlier in the year.

[blacksheep21]

Aug 7, 2021 20:00:33 GMT Mickmack said:

Sligo withdrew.....

Only seven days till the next game

[Kerryman Randy Savage]

Aug 7, 2021 20:02:16 GMT Mickmack said:

The GAA have rejected the charge that Sligo’s coronavirus-enforced withdrawal from the Connacht semi-final against Galway undermines the whole championship.

“I don’t think there’s any question about the integrity of the championship,” said Feargal McGill, head of games administration.

“Galway will still have to win a provincial title. They have to win an All-Ireland semi-final and win an All-Ireland final if they’re going to get there.

“You could be smart and say it was always likely that Galway were going to beat Sligo anyway, they would have been hot favourites for that game, but I don’t think it affects the integrity of the championship, no. It was well flagged that this was going to be a possibility. We’re not operating in normal times.”

This article shows the kind of disrespect the GAA have for others. Imagine having the head of the GAA's games administration say that Galway would win anyway. The GAA is an amateur organisation and shouldn't be punching down on the weaker counties. It created the Super 8s but made no effort to bring up the weaker counties.

It reminds me of the pre match 2019 drawn final where Kerry were treated as a hindrance to the 5 in a row. I'm glad John Horan is gone and I think there is alot of trash in Jones Road that needs to follow him out the door. This Feargal lad needs binning too.

[dc84]

In fairness last year was very tight not much wriggle room , this year Is a lot different I hope there are no more cases and if there are we play them the week after. It's tricky though would everyone be recovered in time etc?

[southward]

Aug 8, 2021 9:04:33 GMT dc84 said:

In fairness last year was very tight not much wriggle room , this year Is a lot different I hope there are no more cases and if there are we play them the week after. It's tricky though would everyone be recovered in time etc?

Two big problems I see with going down the road of covid postponements...

1. It's surely wide open to abuse. Team missing star player or two, perhaps due to covid, perhaps not, suddenly the rest of the panel are deemed close contacts of someone; sorry folks, can't play this week. I'm not suggesting for a second that Tyrone or anyone else are contemplating this but the potential to exploit the situation would exist and we all know there are unscrupulous people out there.

2. Ok, there may be room to postpone our game for a week if need be. But supposing a few Kerry lads go down the week after. And/or maybe some Dublin or Mayo players are out. And/or it happens to someone ahead of the final. You can't give one team a postponement and refuse another in the same circumstances. So when does the thing get finished then?

Personally, I think calling off games is just opening a can of worms and, for the greater good, covid absences should be treated like any other illness or injury - just tough. Kerry and Galway U20s had to do without a few of their big names last year so the precedent is there. It's not satisfactory, obviously, but the alternative could be worse.

[Kerryman Randy Savage]

Kerry should agree to a delay on 2 grounds. One, the final gets moved a week to accommodate Kerry/Tyrone getting an extra week's rest for the final. Two if Kerry get hit by Covid the final gets moved. I wouldn't want Kerry to win with an asterisk if they played half a Tyrone team.

Any team caught using Covid as gamesmanship needs to be banned for a year or two.

[ciarraigodeo]

This could all be completely academic as for all we know, this could be put to bed tomorrow. However, in the event that it isn’t, I think the outcomes are:

Kerry refuse to postpone (is this even a plausible option?) and play a skeleton Tyrone team. The potential for a Kerry outbreak increases and we are out on our ears if we have to go up against Dublin or Mayo with a skeleton team of our own.

Kerry postpone and play a full strength Tyrone in 3 weeks and the final is pushed back to the usual 3rd Sunday in September, assuming no outbreaks in the remaining 2 teams.

[goonised]

Aug 8, 2021 10:05:07 GMT Kerryman Randy Savage said:

Kerry should agree to a delay on 2 grounds. One, the final gets moved a week to accommodate Kerry/Tyrone getting an extra week's rest for the final. Two if Kerry get hit by Covid the final gets moved. I wouldn't want Kerry to win with an asterisk if they played half a Tyrone team.

Any team caught using Covid as gamesmanship needs to be banned for a year or two.

Its a rampant excuse at club level.

[Kerryman Randy Savage]

If the game gets moved then does the u20s final becomes standalone? I can't imagine moving two games to accommodate one postponed match. Also would love it if they kept the u20 final in Croker and not move it to Clones.

[Mickmack]

The Dublin hurlers had to play KK without 2 of the starting 15 and also 2 subs. Is that not a precedent of sorts.


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Covid case in Dublin camp rules out four players of Leinster hurling final
Cian O’Callaghan, Ronan Hayes, Fergal Whitely and Oisin O’Rourke all miss out.


Saturday 17 July 2021 19:24


THE DUBLIN CAMP has been rocked by a positive Covid-19 test which has ruled out four players from today’s Leinster hurling final against Kilkenny.

Cian O’Callaghan and Ronan Hayes drop out of the starting team while Fergal Whitely and Oisin O’Rorke won’t take their place on the bench.

Instead, Andrew Dunphy and Mark Schutte come into the team, with Ronan Smyth, John Hetherton, Sean Currie and Fiontan McGibb added to the bench.

[blacksheep21]

Aug 8, 2021 14:18:22 GMT Mickmack said:

The Dublin hurlers had to play KK without 2 of the starting 15 and also 2 subs. Is that not a precedent of sorts.


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Covid case in Dublin camp rules out four players of Leinster hurling final
Cian O’Callaghan, Ronan Hayes, Fergal Whitely and Oisin O’Rourke all miss out.


Saturday 17 July 2021 19:24


THE DUBLIN CAMP has been rocked by a positive Covid-19 test which has ruled out four players from today’s Leinster hurling final against Kilkenny.

Cian O’Callaghan and Ronan Hayes drop out of the starting team while Fergal Whitely and Oisin O’Rorke won’t take their place on the bench.

Instead, Andrew Dunphy and Mark Schutte come into the team, with Ronan Smyth, John Hetherton, Sean Currie and Fiontan McGibb added to the bench.

And Tyrone played last weekend with similar numbers missing. 

[Whosinmidfield]

Aug 8, 2021 11:37:09 GMT ciarraigodeo said:

This could all be completely academic as for all we know, this could be put to bed tomorrow. However, in the event that it isn’t, I think the outcomes are:

Kerry refuse to postpone (is this even a plausible option?) and play a skeleton Tyrone team. The potential for a Kerry outbreak increases and we are out on our ears if we have to go up against Dublin or Mayo with a skeleton team of our own.

Kerry postpone and play a full strength Tyrone in 3 weeks and the final is pushed back to the usual 3rd Sunday in September, assuming no outbreaks in the remaining 2 teams.

Why would it be postponed for 2 weeks? No way the final will be played 3rd week in September, the club season is tight and would cause huge problems in the 2 counties in the final. If it’s postponed it will be played a week later than planned, leaves little to no time for Tyrone to train but that’s just how it will have to be.

[ciarraigodeo]

Aug 8, 2021 15:17:43 GMT Whosinmidfield said:

Aug 8, 2021 11:37:09 GMT ciarraigodeo said:

This could all be completely academic as for all we know, this could be put to bed tomorrow. However, in the event that it isn’t, I think the outcomes are:

Kerry refuse to postpone (is this even a plausible option?) and play a skeleton Tyrone team. The potential for a Kerry outbreak increases and we are out on our ears if we have to go up against Dublin or Mayo with a skeleton team of our own.

Kerry postpone and play a full strength Tyrone in 3 weeks and the final is pushed back to the usual 3rd Sunday in September, assuming no outbreaks in the remaining 2 teams.

Why would it be postponed for 2 weeks? No way the final will be played 3rd week in September, the club season is tight and would cause huge problems in the 2 counties in the final. If it’s postponed it will be played a week later than planned, leaves little to no time for Tyrone to train but that’s just how it will have to be.

You’re right about the final, sorry got my dates totally mixed up!

[Joxer]

Aug 7, 2021 13:53:22 GMT Mickmack said:

The HSE defines a close contact as such:

Close contact
Close contact can mean:

• spending more than 15 minutes of face-to-face contact within 2 metres of someone who has COVID-19, indoors or outdoors
• living in the same house or shared accommodation as someone who has COVID-19
• sitting within 2 seats of someone who has COVID-19 on public transport or an airplane
  
• Spending more than 2 hours in an indoor space with someone who has COVID-19 will sometimes count as close or casual contact. This could be an office or a classroom. But it will depend on the size of the room and other factors.
  

Public health doctors or contact tracers will let you know if you are at risk during contact tracing and public health risk assessments.

[/quote]


Do panels use dressing rooms before and after trauning sessions or meet indoors for team meetings. I think i read where KK had erected a marquee to replace dressing rooms at training.

It would be easy for a good few of a panel to fall foul of those rules if a member of the panel is found to have covid and the infected person shared a dressing room with the panel at training
[/quote]


I’m reliably told Kerry are not using dressing rooms Mick….I have been trying to sell them a Room UV Steriliser for 12 months and that’s the answer I get 😂😂😂

[pillar]

Aug 8, 2021 9:43:32 GMT southward said:

Aug 8, 2021 9:04:33 GMT dc84 said:

In fairness last year was very tight not much wriggle room , this year Is a lot different I hope there are no more cases and if there are we play them the week after. It's tricky though would everyone be recovered in time etc?

Two big problems I see with going down the road of covid postponements...

1. It's surely wide open to abuse. Team missing star player or two, perhaps due to covid, perhaps not, suddenly the rest of the panel are deemed close contacts of someone; sorry folks, can't play this week. I'm not suggesting for a second that Tyrone or anyone else are contemplating this but the potential to exploit the situation would exist and we all know there are unscrupulous people out there.

2. Ok, there may be room to postpone our game for a week if need be. But supposing a few Kerry lads go down the week after. And/or maybe some Dublin or Mayo players are out. And/or it happens to someone ahead of the final. You can't give one team a postponement and refuse another in the same circumstances. So when does the thing get finished then?

Personally, I think calling off games is just opening a can of worms and, for the greater good, covid absences should be treated like any other illness or injury - just tough. Kerry and Galway U20s had to do without a few of their big names last year so the precedent is there. It's not satisfactory, obviously, but the alternative could be worse.

My thinking exactly,opens a huge can of worms