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Post by Control8 on Jul 31, 2024 17:25:03 GMT
2pm is an early start for the senior final on Sunday What a day for Abbeydorney - 1st final to reach in 17 years and only their 2nd final in 50 years and without a title for 50 years any reason why the county board couldnt play Kilgarvan v St Brendans intermediate final on Sunday as a curtin raiser? Ardfert dont have football , maybe Kilgarvan do??? anyways no matter what the senior and intermediate final should be on the one day, boost the attendance and give other players a chance of savouring county final day. instead the intermediate final gets played tonight When it comes to hurling fixtures and the CB nothing surprises me anymore. Seeing as they're really only interested in getting the championships finished as fast as possible you'd imagine having double headers would cut out some of the work. Ardfert won Junior championship last night.
Lay out a better plan for us...you never know who is reading these pages.
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Post by kingdomgreenandgold on Jul 31, 2024 17:28:10 GMT
2pm is an early start for the senior final on Sunday What a day for Abbeydorney - 1st final to reach in 17 years and only their 2nd final in 50 years and without a title for 50 years any reason why the county board couldnt play Kilgarvan v St Brendans intermediate final on Sunday as a curtin raiser? Ardfert dont have football , maybe Kilgarvan do??? anyways no matter what the senior and intermediate final should be on the one day, boost the attendance and give other players a chance of savouring county final day. instead the intermediate final gets played tonight Final is on at 2pm to allow for Kerry ladies all Ireland final at 4.15. Also kilgarvan have junior football championship at 3pm on Saturday vs Tarbert. County board shoehorning in fixtures in a great panic when in reality there is none, Football allows for 3 games over 4 weeks, you’d imagine leaving this weekend free of football for Kilgarvan would have made sense but…….. |
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 31, 2024 19:43:04 GMT
When it comes to hurling fixtures and the CB nothing surprises me anymore. Seeing as they're really only interested in getting the championships finished as fast as possible you'd imagine having double headers would cut out some of the work. Ardfert won Junior championship last night. Lay out a better plan for us...you never know who is reading these pages.
Well is wouldn't rocket science really. What sense is there opening Fitzgerald Stadium for a standalone Intermediate final this evening? The rush to get everything done as fast as possible isn't needed at all. With the ladies playing on Sunday moving the hurling final to the following weekend isn't really going to upset things to much imo. |
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 31, 2024 19:46:28 GMT
Great display by Kilgarvan to win the Intermediate this evening. Fourth title in seven seasons for them now.
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Post by Control8 on Jul 31, 2024 20:20:49 GMT
Lay out a better plan for us...you never know who is reading these pages.
Well is wouldn't rocket science really. What sense is there opening Fitzgerald Stadium for a standalone Intermediate final this evening? The rush to get everything done as fast as possible isn't needed at all. With the ladies playing on Sunday moving the hurling final to the following weekend isn't really going to upset things to much imo. What can de done in the bigger picture...like when to start/end the County Hurling Championship?
Plus how to handle the inevitable clashes with the club football championships...Ballyduff this year will have football the week after the hurling final (assuming no hurling replay).
If there is a clash in early championship with county league, is Friday/Sunday acceptable...and which should be on Friday...this would be in play if you choose an earlier start to the hurling championship.
Raise any further issues you have as well...only with proper airing of issues will anything get done (although even then it might be difficult).
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Post by powerhurl on Jul 31, 2024 20:31:26 GMT
Would Kilgarvan be capable of playing senior next year after winning the intermediate again
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Post by mossie on Aug 1, 2024 2:07:17 GMT
Would Kilgarvan be capable of playing senior next year after winning the intermediate again I think not, the intermediate championship was weaker this year with the extra matches in the senior county championship There is a case for Kenmare and Kilgarvan to join up and play as a Kenmare District Team in the senior championship. They play together underage anyway It would then be an 11 team championship ( 2 groups of 4 and 1 group of 3). I would just qualify the top 2 in each group to the play off stages though. The team that tops the 2 four team groups goes to the semi final and the other 4 teams play a quarter final. Also, is there a case for a South Kerry hurling divisonal board team if Dr Crokes dont remain senior - basically picking a divisional team from Dr Crokes, Kilgarvan, Kenmare and Rathmore. In reality the most of the players would be Crokes\Kilgarvan with a few from Kenmare and Rathmore. |
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Post by mossie on Aug 1, 2024 2:31:21 GMT
Well is wouldn't rocket science really. What sense is there opening Fitzgerald Stadium for a standalone Intermediate final this evening? The rush to get everything done as fast as possible isn't needed at all. With the ladies playing on Sunday moving the hurling final to the following weekend isn't really going to upset things to much imo. What can de done in the bigger picture...like when to start/end the County Hurling Championship? Plus how to handle the inevitable clashes with the club football championships...Ballyduff this year will have football the week after the hurling final (assuming no hurling replay). If there is a clash in early championship with county league, is Friday/Sunday acceptable...and which should be on Friday...this would be in play if you choose an earlier start to the hurling championship. Raise any further issues you have as well...only with proper airing of issues will anything get done (although even then it might be difficult). see my suggestion above on formats control. |
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Post by Control8 on Aug 1, 2024 17:47:54 GMT
Would Kilgarvan be capable of playing senior next year after winning the intermediate again I think not, the intermediate championship was weaker this year with the extra matches in the senior county championship There is a case for Kenmare and Kilgarvan to join up and play as a Kenmare District Team in the senior championship. They play together underage anyway It would then be an 11 team championship ( 2 groups of 4 and 1 group of 3). I would just qualify the top 2 in each group to the play off stages though. The team that tops the 2 four team groups goes to the semi final and the other 4 teams play a quarter final. Also, is there a case for a South Kerry hurling divisonal board team if Dr Crokes dont remain senior - basically picking a divisional team from Dr Crokes, Kilgarvan, Kenmare and Rathmore. In reality the most of the players would be Crokes\Kilgarvan with a few from Kenmare and Rathmore. And what is the preferred schedule for hurling's county championship?
Over and done with by the time club football starts in late July/early August will avoid clashes but complaints of trying to rush it to get it out of the way?
Starting the hurling cannot happen until a few weeks after Kerry hurlers are done for the year...a Joe McDonagh final appearance plus the associated All-Ireland preliminary quarter-final game would have seen the county season end for Kerry on 15 June this year. Not making the Joe McDonagh final meant Kerry's last game was 25 May.
The month of June also has the closing stages of the football county league and some play-offs went into July if I remember correctly.
So hurling gets July, with ability to sometimes start in June and run into August. Are the hurling fraternity happy with that?
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 1, 2024 18:39:09 GMT
Well is wouldn't rocket science really. What sense is there opening Fitzgerald Stadium for a standalone Intermediate final this evening? The rush to get everything done as fast as possible isn't needed at all. With the ladies playing on Sunday moving the hurling final to the following weekend isn't really going to upset things to much imo. What can de done in the bigger picture...like when to start/end the County Hurling Championship? Plus how to handle the inevitable clashes with the club football championships...Ballyduff this year will have football the week after the hurling final (assuming no hurling replay). If there is a clash in early championship with county league, is Friday/Sunday acceptable...and which should be on Friday...this would be in play if you choose an earlier start to the hurling championship. Raise any further issues you have as well...only with proper airing of issues will anything get done (although even then it might be difficult). Counties with a lot more dual clubs than Kerry get both run off almost side by side. Cork for example. Whoever wins at the weekend will have a long wait before they play in Munster putting them at a disadvantage compared to others. |
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 1, 2024 18:43:28 GMT
Would Kilgarvan be capable of playing senior next year after winning the intermediate again I think not, the intermediate championship was weaker this year with the extra matches in the senior county championship There is a case for Kenmare and Kilgarvan to join up and play as a Kenmare District Team in the senior championship. They play together underage anyway It would then be an 11 team championship ( 2 groups of 4 and 1 group of 3). I would just qualify the top 2 in each group to the play off stages though. The team that tops the 2 four team groups goes to the semi final and the other 4 teams play a quarter final. Also, is there a case for a South Kerry hurling divisonal board team if Dr Crokes dont remain senior - basically picking a divisional team from Dr Crokes, Kilgarvan, Kenmare and Rathmore. In reality the most of the players would be Crokes\Kilgarvan with a few from Kenmare and Rathmore. Imo Kenmare and Kilgarvan are better entering as South Kerry with Crokes, Rathmore and St. Pats as another division. The way thr old South Kerry divisional teams were set up was never going to work as they were all too spread around from Tralee as far as Kenmare. It must be 15 years or more since it was tried at senior level. Although I've a vague memory of a South Kerry team in the Intermediate one year, possibly when Laune Rangers were still playing hurling. |
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Post by powerhurl on Aug 2, 2024 10:35:20 GMT
What ever any one says about fixtures be it hurling or football and i understand its very difficult to plan but the six day turn around for Ballheigue after a hard game and extra time was wrong and it wouldnt happen in the football championship. Also i think there is too many games in club football between all the competitions and all group games
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Post by Control8 on Aug 2, 2024 18:23:28 GMT
What ever any one says about fixtures be it hurling or football and i understand its very difficult to plan but the six day turn around for Ballheigue after a hard game and extra time was wrong and it wouldnt happen in the football championship. Also i think there is too many games in club football between all the competitions and all group games
I'm fairly sure the football championship schedule is set and will be followed even if a team has extra time the week before, the County Championship semi-finals are scheduled for the weekend after the quarter-finals in October, so your point is invalid...but that is not to say changes will be made as anything is possible.
You'd like a week off after group games, a week between quarter-final and semi-final, and another week off between semi-final and final drags the entire competition for too long...in football's two championships and in the hurling. Running the 3 competitions after each other uses more than the available weekends that way, so it is hard to see where improvements can be made.
The two football championships undoubtedly put a strain on the calendar.
Is it time to go open draw for one?
I'd imagine clubs would prefer the current arrangement of groups for the club championship and would support a shorter County Championship...which should free up some time for a later end to the hurling final...maybe set the hurling semi-finals for first weekend in Sept and final for last weekend with no football clashes allowed. The cries of burn-out for the dual player will be valid.
Of course, there will be complaints that some hurlers are tied to football for the middle weeks of September, but there is always a price to pay.
In reality, I don't think there is much of an improvement that can be done, as overlapping any 2 of the competitions will bring complaints.
Any more solutions out there?
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Post by kerrymenontour on Aug 4, 2024 8:38:39 GMT
I don’t see too much of a problem only the thing is cramming all the group games and knockout games. Summer is the perfect time to play hurling but I would love to see football and hurling championships in Kerry simultaneously, football faces would be a lot more clued in
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Post by powerhurl on Aug 4, 2024 15:36:12 GMT
What a day for O Dorney 50 years waiting. Far the better to be fair Ballyduff will never be as bad again. Who ever takes the Kerry job will have to get Mike o Leary on board
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Post by southward on Aug 4, 2024 17:11:30 GMT
Great crowd in ASP today, the whole of Abbeydorney must have been there. Weather held up nicely too.
Unfortunately for Ballyduff, they weren't at the races at all. Beaten all over the pitch, they never looked like getting into the game. The Dorney hunger was evident from the off and really this game was over at HT. Agree re Michael O'Leary - immense today, looked like there was four of him out there.
Great scenes at the end.
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Post by ciarrai74 on Aug 4, 2024 19:08:18 GMT
Congratulations to Abbeydorney. Totally deserved winners today. They won every battle today. Hunger was immense and a marvellous occassion it was. Enjoy the celebrations.
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 5, 2024 7:33:04 GMT
Great win for Abbeydorney! Lead the whole way.
If Kerry can get Michael O Leary back next year we'll be a huge asset.
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Post by kykk on Aug 5, 2024 17:42:50 GMT
2pm is an early start for the senior final on Sunday What a day for Abbeydorney - 1st final to reach in 17 years and only their 2nd final in 50 years and without a title for 50 years any reason why the county board couldnt play Kilgarvan v St Brendans intermediate final on Sunday as a curtin raiser? Ardfert dont have football , maybe Kilgarvan do??? anyways no matter what the senior and intermediate final should be on the one day, boost the attendance and give other players a chance of savouring county final day. instead the intermediate final gets played tonight Final is on at 2pm to allow for Kerry ladies all Ireland final at 4.15. Also kilgarvan have junior football championship at 3pm on Saturday vs Tarbert. County board shoehorning in fixtures in a great panic when in reality there is none, Football allows for 3 games over 4 weeks, you’d imagine leaving this weekend free of football for Kilgarvan would have made sense but…….. Why can’t they play minor final before senior. For years they had excuse that there was minor players in senior panel so couldn’t do it. What is the reason now and be great for minors to play in front of crowd at asp |
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Post by mossie on Aug 5, 2024 23:40:51 GMT
Congrats to Abbeydorney after a long hiatus like the Kerry ladies.Its such a pity the county hurling final clashed with the All Ireland ladies final.Im sure a good few supporters had to choose. Pity about the clash alright especially when you consider both Abbeydorney and Ballyduff both have a long tradition of ladies football as well as hurling Huge attendance at the hurling final again and if it didnt clash with the ladies final and had a curtain raiser well the attendance would probably have had another 1k present The County Hurling Final in Kerry continues to grow as an occasion. It is one of the jewels of Kerry GAA at this stage Well done Abbeydorney on ended the long famine Special mention to some standout players which is a bit unfair as it really was a great team performance but I just have to give special mention to a superb captain Jamsie O'Connor, Michael O'Leary and Oisin Maunsell. Maunsell really is a sper talent - I hope he can stay injury free |
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Post by kerryexile5 on Aug 5, 2024 23:46:24 GMT
Ballyduff will be very disappointed with their performance yesterday but in truth they were not let hurl by a ravenous Abbeydorney defence hell bent on bringing Neilus Flynn home for the first time in 50 years.
I thought the 3 O Leary brothers along with their first cousin & goal machine Oisin Maunsell were excellent especially big Mike, who is the club hurler of the year in my view, so fitting after the huge shock of losing their father Dan suddenly in 2023, who himself played on the 1974 winning team.
Rumours are Jack Goulding is off to Australia for a few years and with Mikey Boyle & Paud Costello getting on in years you’d wonder will Ballyduff struggle to reach the same heights in 2025.
Also, 6 different winners of Neilus Flynn in the last 8 years is a great sign of a highly competitive championship where no team is guaranteed year on year.
Let’s see can Ballyheigue or Ardfert get their hands on Neilus in 2025.
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Post by southward on Aug 6, 2024 8:04:29 GMT
Congrats to Abbeydorney after a long hiatus like the Kerry ladies.Its such a pity the county hurling final clashed with the All Ireland ladies final.Im sure a good few supporters had to choose. Pity about the clash alright especially when you consider both Abbeydorney and Ballyduff both have a long tradition of ladies football as well as hurling Huge attendance at the hurling final again and if it didnt clash with the ladies final and had a curtain raiser well the attendance would probably have had another 1k present Yeah, everything being packed into such a small window these days. Wanted to go to Listowel v Strand Rd in Tralee but it clashed with the hurling so went for the latter (another hour and could have made both). Just about got home in time for the ladies' game but obviously couldn't have made Croker. Can't understand the rush in playing off the hurling in particular. The first round of Munster isn't for months as far as I know. |
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 8, 2024 21:05:38 GMT
Great display from the Parnells minors this evening just coming up short against Crotta.
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Post by mossie on Aug 8, 2024 22:38:14 GMT
Ballyduff will be very disappointed with their performance yesterday but in truth they were not let hurl by a ravenous Abbeydorney defence hell bent on bringing Neilus Flynn home for the first time in 50 years. I thought the 3 O Leary brothers along with their first cousin & goal machine Oisin Maunsell were excellent especially big Mike, who is the club hurler of the year in my view, so fitting after the huge shock of losing their father Dan suddenly in 2023, who himself played on the 1974 winning team. Rumours are Jack Goulding is off to Australia for a few years and with Mikey Boyle & Paud Costello getting on in years you’d wonder will Ballyduff struggle to reach the same heights in 2025. Also, 6 different winners of Neilus Flynn in the last 8 years is a great sign of a highly competitive championship where no team is guaranteed year on year. Let’s see can Ballyheigue or Ardfert get their hands on Neilus in 2025. Dan Leary , lord have mercy on him did not play on the 1974 Abbeydorney team, he was only a young chap then Eoin Ross , kerry senior hurler from Ballyduff the last few years went to Australia in early 2024, was a big loss to Ballyduff and indeed Kerry. He would be a big boost if he came home All in all, it was a very good county championship. The last few championships have been very good. We give out a bit about formats, timing etc but we are getting very good championships! |
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Post by mossie on Aug 8, 2024 22:43:41 GMT
Great display from the Parnells minors this evening just coming up short against Crotta. Crotta just that small bit better, just 3 points in it after extra time. Ballyduff, Crotta and Tralee Parnells were the big contenders for minor honours in 2024, it is down to a Ballyduff v Crotta final now No Tralee team has won a minor hurling championship since Austin Stacks did in 1986. Parnells made a bold bid this year and also reached the minor league final to Ballyduff Great to see Tralee town producing a good minor hurling team, long overdue, well done Parnells |
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Post by jerryewe on Aug 9, 2024 15:40:27 GMT
Great display from the Parnells minors this evening just coming up short against Crotta. Crotta just that small bit better, just 3 points in it after extra time. Ballyduff, Crotta and Tralee Parnells were the big contenders for minor honours in 2024, it is down to a Ballyduff v Crotta final now No Tralee team has won a minor hurling championship since Austin Stacks did in 1986. Parnells made a bold bid this year and also reached the minor league final to Ballyduff Great to see Tralee town producing a good minor hurling team, long overdue, well done Parnells Just on Tralee Parnells, does it help that they are not associated with any one club in Tralee? For example if Austin Stacks were fielding an underage team, would lads from Rahillys or Mitchels not be likely to go with them because they are rivals. It might be something to think about in Killarney as well that maybe more people would join a hurling club if it wasn’t called Dr. Crokes? |
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 10, 2024 5:08:51 GMT
Crotta just that small bit better, just 3 points in it after extra time. Ballyduff, Crotta and Tralee Parnells were the big contenders for minor honours in 2024, it is down to a Ballyduff v Crotta final now No Tralee team has won a minor hurling championship since Austin Stacks did in 1986. Parnells made a bold bid this year and also reached the minor league final to Ballyduff Great to see Tralee town producing a good minor hurling team, long overdue, well done Parnells Just on Tralee Parnells, does it help that they are not associated with any one club in Tralee? For example if Austin Stacks were fielding an underage team, would lads from Rahillys or Mitchels not be likely to go with them because they are rivals. It might be something to think about in Killarney as well that maybe more people would join a hurling club if it wasn’t called Dr. Crokes? Yes it definitely does. Although in reality Stacks were a Tralee hurling club just under the Stacks name. It's likely that it has a similar effect in Killarney. There was a Killarney club going back in the 60s/70s who won the championship and were unlikely to not win a second title. |
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Post by mossie on Aug 10, 2024 13:08:53 GMT
Just on Tralee Parnells, does it help that they are not associated with any one club in Tralee? For example if Austin Stacks were fielding an underage team, would lads from Rahillys or Mitchels not be likely to go with them because they are rivals. It might be something to think about in Killarney as well that maybe more people would join a hurling club if it wasn’t called Dr. Crokes? Yes it definitely does. Although in reality Stacks were a Tralee hurling club just under the Stacks name. It's likely that it has a similar effect in Killarney. There was a Killarney club going back in the 60s/70s who won the championship and were unlikely to not win a second title. Austin Stacks had a great hurling tradition, contested 3 senior finals in the late 1960s\early 1970s , won a minor in 1986, had a good senior team in the late 1980s, early 1990s too. Go back further when they were known as Rock Street they won senior hurling championships. Martin McKivergan and back further John Barry were outstanding Kerry hurlers from Stacks However, in more recent decades, they made little or no effort to promote juvenile hurling. Na Gaeil were actually doing far more and had been fielding under 12 and 14 teams but it was beginning to wane a bit so they rowed in with Parnells It was a shame the way hurling died in Austin Stacks but the model they had re hurling was not going to do anything to push on hurling in Tralee I gather there are a few Stacks footballers featuring with Parnells underage teams which is good to see Hurling in East Kerry seems to be a bit disjointed really. Dr Crokes, Rathmore, Firies all doing a bit however none are really vibrant. Firies is the best underage in terms of numbers The old Killarney Hurling club you mention won 3 minor hurling championships in the 1950s and a senior in 1968 but was defunct by the mid 1970s. When St Pats East Kerry hurling was formed in 1983 it revitalised hurling in East Kerry. It was a club for the region and was making great strides but became a victim of its own success as the likes of Dr Crokes, Rathmore broke away to have their own teams as hurling numbers grew A Parnells model for East Kerry is certainly food for thought. Say they all fall in under the banner of St Pats east kerry and have a senior, intermediate and junior team. Or call it Killarney hurling club. There is a very vibrant camogie club in Killarney for example so maybe that is a base to start with (have the camogie and hurling together) |
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 11, 2024 9:42:47 GMT
Yes it definitely does. Although in reality Stacks were a Tralee hurling club just under the Stacks name. It's likely that it has a similar effect in Killarney. There was a Killarney club going back in the 60s/70s who won the championship and were unlikely to not win a second title. Austin Stacks had a great hurling tradition, contested 3 senior finals in the late 1960s\early 1970s , won a minor in 1986, had a good senior team in the late 1980s, early 1990s too. Go back further when they were known as Rock Street they won senior hurling championships. Martin McKivergan and back further John Barry were outstanding Kerry hurlers from Stacks However, in more recent decades, they made little or no effort to promote juvenile hurling. Na Gaeil were actually doing far more and had been fielding under 12 and 14 teams but it was beginning to wane a bit so they rowed in with Parnells It was a shame the way hurling died in Austin Stacks but the model they had re hurling was not going to do anything to push on hurling in Tralee I gather there are a few Stacks footballers featuring with Parnells underage teams which is good to see Hurling in East Kerry seems to be a bit disjointed really. Dr Crokes, Rathmore, Firies all doing a bit however none are really vibrant. Firies is the best underage in terms of numbers The old Killarney Hurling club you mention won 3 minor hurling championships in the 1950s and a senior in 1968 but was defunct by the mid 1970s. When St Pats East Kerry hurling was formed in 1983 it revitalised hurling in East Kerry. It was a club for the region and was making great strides but became a victim of its own success as the likes of Dr Crokes, Rathmore broke away to have their own teams as hurling numbers grew A Parnells model for East Kerry is certainly food for thought. Say they all fall in under the banner of St Pats east kerry and have a senior, intermediate and junior team. Or call it Killarney hurling club. There is a very vibrant camogie club in Killarney for example so maybe that is a base to start with (have the camogie and hurling together) Crokes are starting to fall into the same thing as Stacks in that they are looking to get players via lads who move to Killarney for work etc and in the long run that won't work well imo. Currently at senior level at the moment one team would make sense with St. Pats, Crokes, Rathmore and even Fries. This idea of having to pick between either divisional teams or a club on their own at senior level needs to stop also D it only benefits North Kerry intermediate teams imo. |
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Post by powerhurl on Aug 11, 2024 15:27:45 GMT
Very true hurlingman and it would be great if hurling was pushed in west Kerry but unfortunately many of the dinosaurs running football clubs dont want hurling because of the fear of it being too popular and i think Dingle were doin a fair bit of underage 10 or 12 years ago
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